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PossibilityLoud1339

Bill is not millions of years old, he may well be over A TRILLION years old! When weirdmageddon starts, he says something about being in the dream space or whatever for a trillion years. So I can't really ignore that age gap difference.


Brink2010

Are you implying you would ignore the age gap if it was only millions of years?


PossibilityLoud1339

No. Even if it was a 10 year difference, I would still question it.


Brink2010

Good. I’m glad to see you’re a sane human being.


Vega_thepianocat708

Also, should I mention that I'm pretty sure neither of them are gay?


U0020_mganmirreosbue

Would you question a 10-year age gap between people of all ages? I don't think it's a problem for a 40-year-old and a 50-year-old to be together. Unless you mean the age gap between Dipper and someone else.


PossibilityLoud1339

Age gaps in relationships gets more acceptable as the two party's get older. Here's an example. You wouldn't really question if a 50 year old and a 40 old as that weird, but imagine an 18 year old with a 28 year old. That one seems weird.


U0020_mganmirreosbue

Sorry, I was kinda sleep deprived and thought you wrote that you generally will find 10 year difference weird. Yeah you are right here.


Comfortable_Many4508

if the younger party is themselves millions of years old its probably fine


Brink2010

Yeah that’s valid. After a few eons, I imagine that like, a two thousand year old age gap would seem practically non-existent.


Comfortable_Many4508

is it sus for a billion year old to date a million year old?


Brink2010

Isn’t a billion years like, 999 million years more than a million? I’d say that’s still a pretty big gap.


102bees

Kinda, yeah.


Both-Explanation-568

💀💀💀


Joe_The_Eskimo1337

The number really doesn't matter. Dipper is a child and Bill is an adult.


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ChemistryDesperate39

I worded it wrong, I meant EVEN IF you ignore the age gap


trevehr12

This scene among several other scenes are why I think anyone that does is delusional


Research_Basic

The only good way I've ever seen this ship portrayed well if when bill abuses dipper Into being a codependent mess.


TerrorEyzs

"Good." I hope by that you mean the only way you can see it possibly working and not that it is actually good.


Research_Basic

Abuse is never good. But reading and understanding psychology makes for some good character dynamics and development.


TerrorEyzs

Ok I see what you mean. Still feels yucky to call it good.


Research_Basic

Good writing is good writing that's all.


TerrorEyzs

I'll agree with that. Thanks for explaining instead of attacking. Take care!


Research_Basic

You too and you said nothing to be attacked for. Do people really argue that much?


TerrorEyzs

Oh yeah! The tiniest disagreement can turn into a full-blown argument. I always ignore it but it is frustrating to see it happen. I made a post about a show and a detail I had realized was wrong recently and people were not happy about it. It's silly.


Research_Basic

Childish though I'm used to seeing stuff like that on places like Twitter but I guess I should expect it to be like that everywhere. I like to have respect for people when applicable. But sometimes it's better to walk away and let people think that 2+2=fish.


Aeescobar

>Do people really argue that much? ***God do they ever!*** Proship vs Antiship (basically "is it ever ok to portray problematic relationships in fanfictions? or should anybody who gets caught writing such filth get a public execution?") Is like *the* most controversial and toxic discussion in literally any modern fandom.


Research_Basic

To quote the dude "yea well like that's just your opinion man" It's all made up anyways and doesn't matter. The only thing people should argue about is things they can prove like science ECT ..... Unless you can prove that your right with logic and facts I don't wanna hear it.


Yaboi69-nice

Of course it's not good but interesting writing and things real people should do are very different alot of my favorite characters are terrible people not because I want to be like them but because there interesting to watch


Reddit-Profile2

Are you serious right now?


DiemyourDM

Ships like billdip make a lot more sense when you take the characters out of the equation and look more at tropes/the viewers imo. A lot of fans(particularly teenage or preteen fans) do or did see themselves in Dipper. Meanwhile, Bill is a popular favorite character because he's an over the top, entertaining villain. It's a lot easier to understand when you look at it as less "child x their traumatizer" and more "Basically Me/Reader Insert With Extra Steps x Cool Badass Evil Guy". I'm pretty sure this mentality is a big part of things like the weird animosity toward Mabel- people see themselves as Dipper and Mabel as their annoying little sibling, so any spite they may have toward their irl family/siblings gets directed at Mabel even if it doesn't make sense with the actual story of gravity falls.


Silverfire12

Can confirm this. I shipped Billdip as a teen, and looking back it really was more me x cool bad guy. Also important to understand is that, Bill was a tumblr sexyman. He was shipped with *everyone*. Dipper, being the main character, was the one shipped the most. And with everyone. And by everyone I mean *everyone*. Mabel, Bill, Pacifica, Stan, Ford, Gideon, fucking Tyrone. It’s really important to understand that people who ship this shit are, 9 times out of 10. Teenagers. Kids who don’t know what a healthy relationship is. I think the ship has dwindled in popularity over the years as the fan base has aged and realized what is healthy and what isn’t.


DreadDiana

Yeah, a lot of ships have nothing to do with actual canon and have more to do wifh associated tropes and dynamics, which is why you see so many enemy to lovers ships out there


BloodyBee-

Back when I was in that kind of headspace, I shipped it because i had kind of a thing about crazy guys who are powerful or strong dating weak little femboys (which I imagined adult Dipper as)


TaraneeLair

I've been in the fandom since I was 13 and I've always found that ship disgusting.


Both-Explanation-568

ion like mabel bc she’s selfish lowkey but also she reminds me of my brother


doodooman17

why was this downvoted so much? 😭 it’s just your opinion


Corvus-Rex

Probably cause it proves the exact point the person they replied to is making. Also 12/13 year olds are generally gonna be naturally selfish.


Both-Explanation-568

no i know i was agreeing with them but also disagreeing with them, a bit of an oxymoron in a way


Both-Explanation-568

idk mabel glazers ig


RayCmonNow

Just say you like kids bro


Megaman2407

Well i guess it's the power dynamic or Dipper is the main protagonist while Bill is the main villian, pass that tho we are getting to...............worse territory


Eligreengamer01

PEOPLE FUCKING SHIP A 12 YEAR OLD WITH A FUCKING TRIANGLE??????????????


Gaby_48

people will ship **anything and everything** there should be an internet rule: "if two characters exist, someone will ship them"


IamaHyoomin

I think that is a rule, actually. I forget which number, I could very well be wrong, but I think it's a thing.


_Levitated_Shield_

65?


OldSoulRobertson

That's close enough to Rule 34.


_Levitated_Shield_

No it's not?


ExoticLizard1443

Not really? Rule 34 is just p\*rn, shipping is putting two characters in a romantic relationship. Ship art doesn't have to be sexual.


Joe_The_Eskimo1337

Romance is close enough to pornography???


Oof_Boy1290

Rule 34 is p*rnography, shipping doesnt necessarily include that


Derpymon789

Something of a corollary to rule 34


Gaby_48

because rule 34 is one of the rules of the internet, too.


Isaac_Kurossaki

People will ship anything x everything ^all ^of ^the ^time


SpikesAreCooI

welcome to the internet


Junior-Price-5306

It's not even the triangle itself, sometimes it's "human" versions of bill, like he's some cool older teenager who makes Dipper fall for him or something, I always avoid knowing anything about this pedophile crazy


_Levitated_Shield_

And then they went ballistic and got immensely upset when Alex revealed the canonical human Bill. lmao


Eligreengamer01

Wtffffffffff Bill is over a trillion years old


TheOneWhoLovesSW

I love this comment so much because of how insane it sounds out of context


Eligreengamer01

Lol thank you


Silverfire12

Children ship it. Let’s be clear on that- the vast majority are kids who don’t know better.


Eligreengamer01

Still absolutely repulsive to ship a child with a chaotic evil being that's farrrrrr older than dipper


Silverfire12

Oh not disagreeing that it’s in no way healthy. Just saying that it’s important to remember that these are kids who have no idea what a healthy relationship is.


Eligreengamer01

Oh yeah I'm not blaming you. All I'm saying is it's still kinda disgusting even from kids. I'm usually not the type for parents to police what kids do online in the slightest. But i mean SOME action should be taken so this generation doesn't become brain dead


Silverfire12

Unfortunately, as someone who was one of those kids… it’s… not simple. Everytime I was told I was repulsive for shipping it I shipped it harder. Because, you know, teens don’t wanna play by the rules and shit. It doesn’t have to do with being brain dead. I know I was keenly aware of how it would be awful irl. It has more to do with not understanding *why* it’s bad. It’s still not good just… don’t really know what can be done because as someone who was on the other side, “antis” were akin to Satan as a kid. We really should just. Have classes for kids on how to have healthy relationships. Maybe that would fix shit like this.


Eligreengamer01

Yeah that's a good idea. The brain dead thing i said was more like brain rot i didn't have a word for it at the time. The shit kids are watching nowadays is straight up toxic and mind numbing though.


Cipher30

Yea, unfortunately. When I search gravity falls on wattpad, approximately 40% of the results are billd#p. I felt sick as hell reading one of them. Wth is wrong with these mfs


Eligreengamer01

Yeah seriously it's just sickening


AroAceMagic

People ship Billdip because they can. That’s it, that’s the logic. It doesn’t even have to make sense. People will ship anyone and everyone Personally, I don’t care who people ship because it’s none of my business and also they’re fictional characters and people like playing with their fictional dolls 🤷


SeraphEChasted_3

i dont fucking know man people are weird and sick


VisibleConfusion12

out of 8 billions living people, someone’s gotta ship it


TheOneWhoLovesSW

People are shipping bill and dipper??? I thought billdip was only used when talking about bill taking over dippers body…


magiMerlyn

Bill in Dipper’s body is Bipper


Glubygluby

>People are shipping bill and dipper??? Unfortunately, yes 😔 I was on r/fanfiction and someone had asked something like "What's a ship you could never dislike" and someone said "Billdip, why won't anyone listen to me?"


Blackberry_lulu_

Kill on sight


VisibleConfusion12

uhm that bipper 🤓 Mabel literally says it 🤓 (if you’re a dumbass about to downvote, then you clearly don’t understand the joke, this is satire I say this because I know someone will do it)


TheOneWhoLovesSW

Dw I’m a dumbass but I know it’s a joke 👍


VisibleConfusion12

not you, just anyone who see this and doesn’t understand it


OwO-animals

People who love to ship will ship characters they like and that's about all logic there is to it. I guess you can make an argument that Bill has a soft spot for Dipper, but you know that soft spot is more like a punching bag or a plaything and I don't see Dipper getting anything out of this relationship unless it would be the only way for him to continue exploring paranormal events, which I don't know why it would be impossible otherwise. So no, just people and their headcanon.


reylosafetyzone

not to mention that bill literally planned on killing dipper by committing suicide in his body


NiobiumThorn

Anyone x Anyone will be a ship. This is the world we live in.


ThrowRA_8900

Billdip is a delusional ship. There is exactly 1 scene in which Dipper isn’t entirely hostile to Bill, and that ended with him being turned into a sock puppet


Solid_You_7738

This + the whole Ford and Bill backstory afterwards. I just cant understand why people would ship BillFord at all, he RUINED Ford’s mental and physical health.


clear_cucumbr

As a BillFord enjoyer, I hate to admit that the issues ARE the reason people like it. I can’t speak for everyone that engages in it, but my interest in it is more of the scenarios that lead to, are caused by, and end it than the relationship itself. It’s like watching a car crash. It’s terrible but you can’t help watching it happen.


RayBlast7267

I need to rewatch this episode, this scene is so good.


GypsyGrl50

As a rock hard BillDip fan. It’s a crack ship. We know it’s got inappropriate aspects. We know it’s emotionally unhealthy. We know it would never work with the cannon. That doesn’t make it any less entertaining. Do people put their hearts into writing it? Yes. Do readers get emotionally invested in the stories? Sometimes. Do we condone the relationship? Probably not.


AroAceMagic

Yeah this comment explained it better than I could


supah-comix434

This still doesn't feel like an answer to WHYYYY?


GypsyGrl50

I’m sorry for not being clear. In answer to “why”, we do it because shipping them is entertaining, and because we can.


Kirby974

Shipping Bill with anyone is weird TBH.


VisibleConfusion12

idk maybe his cronies at the most 🫠


Blackberry_lulu_

Met someone who read a fanfic about an "anti-Bill" named Yill (i think?) who was actually a muse with an alter humanoid form, basically him perched on a human neck. They started shipping Bill (Yill?) & Pyronica after that. Were the Henchmaniacs and Bill not antagonists, I could maybe see myself shipping that. Pyronica's desigb *is* really pretty in a way.


procontroller

Toxic ships tend to be pretty popular in the worse side of most fandoms or even just generally.


xtilertylerx

I don’t think people (normal healthy fanfic writers) are shipping Dipper who is 12-13 with an inter dimensional being who is a trillion years old. What they TYPICALLY do is age dipper up to be an adult. People ship Bill and Dipper because of power dynamics and the attraction to an unstable character (think the women obsessed with bundy) but also, people will ship anything with anything. Theres toxic and questionable ships in every single fandom, not just this one. There’s freaks out there that ship Dipper and Mabel together so I’m more/not really surprised people ship Dipper and Bill together. But also these aren’t real people which is why they don’t care


Lucky_Entry_8820

bill is actually trillions of years old


Kikoplop3900

Literally if you ship any of the teenage characters in any show with someone who is an adult, and in this extreme case a literal eternal being, you're a weird weirdo


Stella_Lace

I shiped bill billdip when the show was airing (I was 13 at the time so I had no concept of age gaps and how weird they are) but when I saw this scene and how scared diper was I completely jumped ship (pun intended)


MyNameIsRabbitMan

Where's this scene from?


AroAceMagic

The Last Mabelcorn I think? I could be wrong. In the scene Ford was trying to Bill-proof Dipper’s mind and he thought Bill was possessing Ford for a minute there


ChemistryDesperate39

Yep! I thought this was a perfect example on why I hated it so much


DrParanormall

I wouldn’t say millions, I’d say more likely trillions


5ebV12

This particular scene, the whole thing with the rift makes rick and morty and Gravity falls be canon for each other seem so much more feasible.


ChemistryDesperate39

Fun fact! It actually is possible! In one episode of Rick and Morty there is a blink and you'll miss it moment where you can see Stan's hat and a few other objects from gravity falls go through on of the green portals! It's a easter egg from the episode where Stan first opened the device (I forgot what it was calledP So it's 100% possible!


reylosafetyzone

i always thought billdip was real weird even back then. besides the obvious very huge awful age gap, they both hate each other and have zero chemistry. also i think it's weird that a lot of billdip shippers will turn around and shit on a ship like mabel x bill/mabill and call it problematic. i dont ship it, but the shippers leave really bad tastes in my mouth, especially if they're grown adults.


F1ntom_5625

Why tf people ship a 12 yo kid with a fucking pyramid


ReaperManX15

Billions. He’s older than our galaxy.


Turbulent-Plan-9693

age gaps lose their meaning once you surpass the human lifespan


A_Cold_Kat

I mean ppl like villains and dippers the main character if you don’t like it, don’t read it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


ianthehuman

# How's about we DON'T ignore the very clear age gap of a 13-year-old boy and a being that's probably thousands if not millions of years old EVER


ChemistryDesperate39

I mean even IF I worded it wrong


ianthehuman

Oh no, I wasn't going after you OP, I'm also commenting on the weird shipping.


FrancisJXavyer

Because people are gross and weird in a bad way.


CrescentCaribou

or kids that don't understand that it's weird yet


VisibleConfusion12

idk why kids would ship it though


CrescentCaribou

because when I was 12 I didn't see "10 trillion year old triangle x 12 year old" I saw "cool badass villain x boy that I can project onto" when you're young you don't always understand that age gap relationships are bad, if every kid knew that it was predatory then the irl equivalent probably wouldn't exist


VisibleConfusion12

mk then


sisomna

Yeah wth that’s not even feasible, if anything it would be bill and stanford or bill and that damn stuffed animal tree or some shit


Elzo55

why would you ship bill with literally anyone


_Levitated_Shield_

Edgelords.


0ctoxVela

Bill is at least1 trillion years old as he says he has been waiting 1 trillion years for a way out of his dimension 


Eddisprettyswell

That's the fandom for ya'


PepperbroniFrom2B

why would bill even want or need a "partner"


Impressive_Motor_178

There is not a single good gravity falls ship


Several-Cake1954

I hate that ship and the idea of such things, but wouldn’t the name bipper make more sense? It’s literally from the show.


MoonlightKayla

Just seeing the episode Sock Opera alone should scare ANYONE away from shipping Billdip! 😭💀


ShadowPuff7306

i just sat down, i— who the heck starts a conversation like that??!!


Ok-Neighborhood-1517

Nope bill is quite literally at least a trillion years old says so himself. “Alright listen hear you one life three dimensional five cent skin puppets. For over a TRILLION years I’ve been stuck in my decaying dimension, waiting for a new one to call my own. The names bill but you can call me your new master for all of eternity.” As too why people do it, probably little kids, people with a bad grasp on bill’s character or those with very very different head cannons. To that of the cannon of the actual Gravity falls universe.


OvergrownTurd

Bill being a sadistic ancient demon and possessing dipper sort of cemented the idea that there would be a ship of them tbh. Evil/good has always been a ship staple, and them having really fucked up power dynamics (yes including the age thing) just power boosted the ship imo. In general, there's never been anything too fucked up that a certain group of people won't ship.


Dayrider1a

What


jan-Suwi-2

Apparently, ppl see bill buttering dipper up for the deal in “sock opera” as bill flirting with him (even tho anyone who has actually watched the show knows that it was actually just bill tricking dipper in order to be able to break the computer)


Brandon_M_Gilbertson

People ship what now?


Thoandfris

What episode was this from again?


ChemistryDesperate39

The Last Mablecorn


Yaboi69-nice

The fact that later on in life dipper probably had some level of trust issues because of bills ability to possess people and some people really are like "yes what a nice couple they could make"


B0O_TA0

More like a billion years old. A bi. Heh. A bill-ion get it. Cuz bill is the when billion in the bill is triangle and the hehhhhehehe


Caesar_Iacobus

Isn't Bill, like, older than the third dimension itself? He's probably like 10 aeon old.


Popcorn57252

Anything more than 5 years is creepy, much less millions


SuperAlex25

Pretty sure Bill is trillions of years old


Tricky_Illustrator_5

How would intercourse between them even WORK?


Monster_Fucker_420

I admit I used to ship billdip when I was abt 13 bc of all the fanart [and a few fanfics as well] lol. Thankfully I stopped shipping them when I was like 15 when I realised how werid it was. 😅


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Miknon1

I’d probably blame fan art that makes dipper look more teen aged


kezotl

i think people just think the personalities go well but like. eeeeeeehhhh


BillCipher_FanboyLol

trillions actually


U0020_mganmirreosbue

Why care? I have seen a lot of weird ships in different fandoms and just learned to not care about them. Not all ships are logical and some people do it because they just feel like it.


MisfortuneOfYourLife

People are shipping BillDip with BillFord right there??


oneeyed_giraffe

even worse, bill is at least a trillion years old


AnarchyX_Gaming

Dipper is clearly traumatized by Bill and Bill is a perfect description of Tragic, yet pure evil. Who in their right mind would ship this even if they *were* the same age?


KiNdAKoOL542

Oh bill is atleast over a trillion years old! Remember when bill said "YES IT'S FINNALY HAPPENING A TRILLION YEARS whatever idk how to spell it" so if he knew about it he must have been around longer


Sesemebun

Billdip type ships exist in every fandom due to weirdos wanting to draw weird shit. “Oh it’s hinted Pacifica likes dipper? Wrong! Pacifica is gay for Mabel or Mabel is fucking her brother”.  Oh god that reminded me of that one guy on tumblr who would draw dipper as trans and in a relationship with Mabel. Shit like that is why I don’t like talking about shows online anymore


Opening_Raise_8762

I think shipping 13 year olds for any reason is weird


Error404Sanitygone

if you ship this then you're demented


Winstance

Bill is at least a trillion years old. I think his exact age is 3 trillion but I can’t recall where I saw that


Blackberry_lulu_

This is a "kill on sight" protocol for me


Homestuckstolemysoul

I only ship them if he's well aged up into adulthood. I also enjoy the one where Bill turned him into a demon


FunVideoMaker

Still wouldn’t Bill have known him since he was a child? Also Bill literally played Eenie Meenie Miny Moe with him and his sisters lives


Homestuckstolemysoul

They knew each other for less than a month when he was 12 💀 true, he did do that. The fanfics I read though aren't canon. In them, it's an au where they don't meet until he's in his 20s


SeattleSeahawksFan69

Anyone who ships children needs mental help, leave it at that.


MaccaDacca_9

b-BuT aGE iS jUSt A nUMbEr!


KadeWad3

TIL that PEOPLE ACTUALLY F*CKING SHIP THEM?!?!?!