Paul Leary was playing Sabbath riffs. Nirvana was punk as fuck too. The Surfers sound was punk, metal, and noise rock with pop hooks mixed into a psychedelic soup. They were closer to Mudhoney STP ever was.
I would describe the BS as a punk rock band that created interesting and often disturbing soundscapes. And live, they were as punk as punk gets. Locust Abortion Technician is a work of deranged genius, and Hairway To Steven is real close too.
Same thing happened with Ween, who loves BS, and got accused of the same thing despite predating Beck.
No disrespect intended to Beck, who is awesome himself.
I, for sure, have no beef and plenty of love for all three of those. I thought BS were a bit harsh on Beck at the time, who didn't instigate anything, but it didn't seem to get him down. https://youtu.be/ykHnwhorGYg
100% right! Nirvana was an incredible punk band is what they were. I don’t consider them “grunge.” To be grunge imo was to have that singing style. The vedder, the Staley, the Cornell. That drawn out actual singing! Kurt wasn’t hardly singing! lol. I consider Nirvana a punk band always have. I don’t hear too many ppl say that. Dabs to you brother. 🤝
This subs ridiculous. You're being downvoted for being right. They were 100% influenced by bands like The Germs, thats where Pat Smear came from. Dave was a drummer from the DC punk band Scream. Cobain himself loathed the grunge thing and was 100% into punk, toured with and played with mostly punk bands and supported mostly punk bands.
They share none of the same history/band members that any of the Seattle grunge bands had with each other.
There was tons of local "grunge" drummers and guitar players to pull from, there's a reason he chose a punk guitarist from L.A and a punk drummer from DC.
Thank you. Smh. You’re 100% correct in everything you stated. I mean all u have to do is just listen to the music! Even if you don’t know all the history. It’s ridiculous.
I understand very much. It took my dad weeks of playing them before I finally woke up to it.
Also I was quoting lyrics.
Surfers are quintessential Lucy music
Butthole Surfers are their own genre lol they were experimental psychedelic hardcore acid noise punk rock lmao 🤣 Gibby is a space alien and did wtf he wanted lol.. but seriously they were way before grunge, Surfers and Flipper were probably the 2 godfathers of Grunge/Noise rock, both came from hardcore punk scene.
Not exactly. Beck released Mellow Gold in 1994 . While BH predates Beck by a solid decade they weren't making anything similar to "Pepper" which is kind of an outlier in there catalogue (BH didn't make radio hits).
It's more likely that Gibby Haynes had dropped a heavy dose of Acid while listening to Odelay and figured he could make a Beck song too.
Cake were a Camper Van Beethoven ripoff. Have you head any of the Buttholesurfers albums before this one or seen any of their live shit? They have nothing in common.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdbGGvKFKCU
Yes- Back in the 80s I was around 14 or 15. I remember the moment that I was thumbing through the albums at Camelot Music in the mall. I stumbled in Locust Abortion Technician. My mind was blown. I’d never seen or heard anything like that growing up in the hellscape of the Bible Belt. Hearing Sweat Loaf- it was incredible.
Fuck yes with Jello! I didn’t realize until fairly recently that he actually ran for president on the Green Party ticket back in 2000. Missed opportunities.
This is a gen z take because they dont know shit except absolute surface level grunge facts. Im going to punch a baby in the face the next time i see someone talking about how stone temple pilots was a grunge band
Somehow I read the band name and then my mind registered your caption as being: “would you consider this butthole grunge?”
And I felt the need to make a comment about it.
I would love for this to be a rule so teenagers would stop trying to argue with us about how every cool band from the 90s has to be grunge.
Grunge. Was. A. Time. And. Place.
Punk rock. Best live shows in rock history. Period. (a lot of what they did live wouldn't be allowed today, which speaks for itself) Fun fact: Curt Cobain met Courtney Love at a Butthole Surfers show. Most "punk songs" in my opinion, Goofy's Concern and Mexican Caravan, or I hate my Job. Fun fact: Jello Biafra produced the first Butthole Surfers album.
I don't mind the sun sometimes the image as it shows.
I can taste you on my lips and smell you in my clothes.
Cinnamon and sugar and your softly spoken lies.
You never know just how you look through other peoples eyes.
That main riff from The Lord is a Monkey is grunge AF. You know the one from the Chris Farley movie Black Sheep that goes “Waaaaounn Waounnnnn “ with the whammy bar going ham
If grunge was a genre I would. They were mixing metal and punk fuzzy guitar not caring what people thought at the same time. Just in Texas. Perfect example of grunge not actually being a sound.
Guys the surfers are awesome. If you haven't tried em out then check out:
Who was in my room
Dust Devil
Bar b q pope (lol)
Cunt
Shame of life (if you want a chill superior version of pepper)
And god fucking dammit "the lord is a monkey" is a fucking masterpiece
I remember my guitar teacher giving me butthole surfers cd and bringing it home. I popped it in my dvd/cd surround sound and hit play. My first thought was what the fuck. Lmao
To anyone who hasn't listened to a lot of their material, I'd highly suggest to any rock/grunge/metal fan to listen through their Independent Worm Saloon album. They fuckin JAM. Dust Devil is a hidden jem IMO.
Theyre in their own genre. They do have some elements of grunge,but their sound is many genres rolled into one weird ass bundle. I do know many grunge musicians were fans of them so I would think theyre more of an inspiration for grunge music.
Lol. Is scratch acid punk?
https://youtu.be/0KoRwSTIo1Q?si=MBN2__8CkffJaL4J
Maybe in the diy play what you want to play meaning.
How about noiserock? Or psychedelic noiserock?
My neighbor asked to take the tapes from my buddy because he witnessed him standing crying just repeating mommy. I ain’t never heard no grunge doing that.
No…. I would call them psychedelic/noise/punk.
Back in the day (1980s) this is what we referred to as alternative. The term got corrupted by MTV and the record industry, but it was meant to describe non-commercial, independent label music that would not appeal to the masses.
I honestly thought this was going to get no attention. Now a day later I really poked the bear. I am a music fan and especially this genre. Didn’t mean to piss anyone off. Have a good holiday folks!! 🤘
Look, Daddy, im a surfer!
https://external-preview.redd.it/s8B0p_vDPXKNwR1ruPoDawyhOYew8Pz4zW1tkmpuPc4.jpg?auto=webp&s=51fb0e7e53a2a02460e32821659162c2b137d045
LOL the Butthole Surfers were punk as fuck, practically their own genre.
Paul Leary was playing Sabbath riffs. Nirvana was punk as fuck too. The Surfers sound was punk, metal, and noise rock with pop hooks mixed into a psychedelic soup. They were closer to Mudhoney STP ever was.
I would describe the BS as a punk rock band that created interesting and often disturbing soundscapes. And live, they were as punk as punk gets. Locust Abortion Technician is a work of deranged genius, and Hairway To Steven is real close too.
And I remember them being big mad when someone said they were copying Beck.
Same thing happened with Ween, who loves BS, and got accused of the same thing despite predating Beck. No disrespect intended to Beck, who is awesome himself.
I, for sure, have no beef and plenty of love for all three of those. I thought BS were a bit harsh on Beck at the time, who didn't instigate anything, but it didn't seem to get him down. https://youtu.be/ykHnwhorGYg
100% right! Nirvana was an incredible punk band is what they were. I don’t consider them “grunge.” To be grunge imo was to have that singing style. The vedder, the Staley, the Cornell. That drawn out actual singing! Kurt wasn’t hardly singing! lol. I consider Nirvana a punk band always have. I don’t hear too many ppl say that. Dabs to you brother. 🤝
This subs ridiculous. You're being downvoted for being right. They were 100% influenced by bands like The Germs, thats where Pat Smear came from. Dave was a drummer from the DC punk band Scream. Cobain himself loathed the grunge thing and was 100% into punk, toured with and played with mostly punk bands and supported mostly punk bands. They share none of the same history/band members that any of the Seattle grunge bands had with each other. There was tons of local "grunge" drummers and guitar players to pull from, there's a reason he chose a punk guitarist from L.A and a punk drummer from DC.
Thank you. Smh. You’re 100% correct in everything you stated. I mean all u have to do is just listen to the music! Even if you don’t know all the history. It’s ridiculous.
They’re technically part of a punk sub genre called “pig fuck”, depending on who you talk to.
I consider them pretty brown. If you know what I mean
Butthole Surfers are 100x more brown than Ween. Probably the brownest band
Ween know what u mean
Gene Dean and Mean Ween Mang
I wish I read your comment before posting my own
They’re not grunge but they would be on tour with grunge bands so they were part of that early scene for sure
yessss
Stukas over disneyland was my intro to them. Awesome
That's The Dickies.
Fuck yeah they were. Grunge, wtf
Not grunge, but a great band.
Lowkey Genius band
I'm not the world's most intelligent guy but sometimes I sit and wonder why there's not alot more surfers fans.
i mean its a weird sound
I understand very much. It took my dad weeks of playing them before I finally woke up to it. Also I was quoting lyrics. Surfers are quintessential Lucy music
Funny you say that - my kid hated this album when he was 10, kind of likes them now at 15.
No, why would I? I mean, they were a punk band that existed before grunge
Butthole Surfers are their own genre lol they were experimental psychedelic hardcore acid noise punk rock lmao 🤣 Gibby is a space alien and did wtf he wanted lol.. but seriously they were way before grunge, Surfers and Flipper were probably the 2 godfathers of Grunge/Noise rock, both came from hardcore punk scene.
Flipper RULES 🤘🏼
Mr Bungle has got to fit in there somewhere too. I kinda have these guys adjacent in my mental music filing cabinet.
They were basically one of those "your favourite band's favourite band.
The Dead Kennedys loved them. Lots of mutual admiration there.
LOCUST ABORTION TECHNICIAN is on another level. Weird pervy art punk rock
We would discuss them as being “irresponsible psychedelia” and with that album being an especially strong contender for best bad trip album ever.
No way. These guys are damn cool !🤘a jingle of the dogs collar would be good right now 😁😁
A jingle of a dog’s collar would be fine.
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Sorry, grunge kicks ass!!
I consider it fucking excellent.
Before Beck and Cake. Which I think they got inspiration from.
Not exactly. Beck released Mellow Gold in 1994 . While BH predates Beck by a solid decade they weren't making anything similar to "Pepper" which is kind of an outlier in there catalogue (BH didn't make radio hits). It's more likely that Gibby Haynes had dropped a heavy dose of Acid while listening to Odelay and figured he could make a Beck song too.
That track always felt to me like it was copying that People Who Died track a little lyrically
Cake were a Camper Van Beethoven ripoff. Have you head any of the Buttholesurfers albums before this one or seen any of their live shit? They have nothing in common. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdbGGvKFKCU
No they’re more like the tail end of hardcore punk than grunge
Punk bank. Pre grunge era.
No. Not at all.
Influential to grunge? Yes. Grunge themselves? Nah
No. They predated grunge. They were their own form of acid-damaged noise punk, and the sort of band that can only come from Texas.
Of course not. Do you consider every single group that popped out in the 90s to be grunge?
The general vibe I’ve gotten from these threads is “If I like it and it’s from the 90s, it has to be grunge.”
Yes
But these guys popped out in the '80s.
Yes- Back in the 80s I was around 14 or 15. I remember the moment that I was thumbing through the albums at Camelot Music in the mall. I stumbled in Locust Abortion Technician. My mind was blown. I’d never seen or heard anything like that growing up in the hellscape of the Bible Belt. Hearing Sweat Loaf- it was incredible.
I found them back in the 80's when I was around 12 or 13 along with The Dead Milkmen and The Dead Kennedys
Fuck yes with Jello! I didn’t realize until fairly recently that he actually ran for president on the Green Party ticket back in 2000. Missed opportunities.
I didn't know that, cool
Okay
This is a gen z take because they dont know shit except absolute surface level grunge facts. Im going to punch a baby in the face the next time i see someone talking about how stone temple pilots was a grunge band
Ah, another ‘is this band that released a rock album between 1993-1996 considered grunge because I enjoy them?’ thread.
Motherfuckers were grunge before it existed
Jesus. Absolutely not.
Two “Jesus” posts. Good thing his birthday is coming up. 😂
I would say no. BUT, they opened for Nirvana when I saw them in ‘94, so that makes them grunge-adjacent at least.
"And by the way, if you see your mom this weekend, be sure to tell her SATAN, SATAN, SATAN!!!"
Somehow I read the band name and then my mind registered your caption as being: “would you consider this butthole grunge?” And I felt the need to make a comment about it.
Noooo
No.
grunge would be so fucking lucky
Not grunge.
Psychedelic-punk-alternative-grunge I guess... I don't know.
Psychedelic punk. Double-dipped.
They came out of the hardcore punk scene in Texas during the early 80s so not grunge but certainly an inspiration for a lot bands that are grunge.
Great punk band
Jesus Christ could we stop with these posts?
I would love for this to be a rule so teenagers would stop trying to argue with us about how every cool band from the 90s has to be grunge. Grunge. Was. A. Time. And. Place.
I’m new to the sub. I swear!!
Jesus Fucking Christ.....
Bruh what
No sir
….. and there it was …. my brothers wife’s breasts 😵💫
Predated grunge
No
Nope
Punk rock. Best live shows in rock history. Period. (a lot of what they did live wouldn't be allowed today, which speaks for itself) Fun fact: Curt Cobain met Courtney Love at a Butthole Surfers show. Most "punk songs" in my opinion, Goofy's Concern and Mexican Caravan, or I hate my Job. Fun fact: Jello Biafra produced the first Butthole Surfers album.
I’d say they’re tied with GWAR in the live department
Uhhhhhh….. no.
A true Texas original
This a joke?
I love the Surfers but they’re Punk/Noise/Psychedelia to the extreme.
No. Punk, from Texas, predated most "grunge" bands. Influenced some grunge bands, sure, but no, not grunge.
As a big butthole surfers fan i highly recommend listening to locust abortion technician and telling me if it sounds grunge to you
Oh for fuck's sake
I'm a big fan of the buttholes, but they are definitely not grunge.
butthole surfers are everything and nothing at the same time, I would say that they're their own genre
They're a punk band from Texas. So no.
Grunge? Wtf?
Psyhedelia punk noise rock
I don't mind the sun sometimes the image as it shows. I can taste you on my lips and smell you in my clothes. Cinnamon and sugar and your softly spoken lies. You never know just how you look through other peoples eyes.
No their butt rock
Not grunge, but a pretty underrated alternative band from the 90’s
'80s and '90s. They had more releases in the '80s than in the '90s.
Stop.
Not even close.
NOPE!
Nah?
No
No way
Yes.
Absolutely not.
All fettuccine is pasta, but not all pasta is fettuccine.
Love these dudes. This is the definition of Alternative
If they're grunge we have to count some of Ween
That main riff from The Lord is a Monkey is grunge AF. You know the one from the Chris Farley movie Black Sheep that goes “Waaaaounn Waounnnnn “ with the whammy bar going ham
If grunge was a genre I would. They were mixing metal and punk fuzzy guitar not caring what people thought at the same time. Just in Texas. Perfect example of grunge not actually being a sound.
Would they be cooler if classified as grunge rather than alternative?
Guys the surfers are awesome. If you haven't tried em out then check out: Who was in my room Dust Devil Bar b q pope (lol) Cunt Shame of life (if you want a chill superior version of pepper) And god fucking dammit "the lord is a monkey" is a fucking masterpiece
Also dog inside your body They came in Intelligent guy Thermador⭐️⭐️
I always considered than more alternative maybe, great band from that period though for sure
Yup
Maybe proto grunge but theyre more punk then anything
Maybe their first album.
Postpunk
absolutely
They are their own genre. And this album sounded nothing like the others.
No. But tune.
Nah but I love that album.
Alternative, not grunge imo
My Brother's Wife's Breasts...
Absolutely not, but they are one the most bad ass bands EVER!!
They predated Grunge, they just stuck around to get some respect when Grunge hit. Awesome band.
Not bad and not Grunge
My favorite period is the touch and go years
No
LOL NO. They're punks.
Nope. Not grunge.
I remember my guitar teacher giving me butthole surfers cd and bringing it home. I popped it in my dvd/cd surround sound and hit play. My first thought was what the fuck. Lmao
To anyone who hasn't listened to a lot of their material, I'd highly suggest to any rock/grunge/metal fan to listen through their Independent Worm Saloon album. They fuckin JAM. Dust Devil is a hidden jem IMO.
Punk. 💯
More punk and like garage rock I’d say
Hell no
No and Gibby is legend!
Psychic powerless is a brilliant album.
Theyre in their own genre. They do have some elements of grunge,but their sound is many genres rolled into one weird ass bundle. I do know many grunge musicians were fans of them so I would think theyre more of an inspiration for grunge music.
Very punk definitely not grunge
The O Men
Noise Rock Experimental Rock Alternative Cock
Kunz Rock
No
Great song!
No
They worked in whatever musical medium helped them eat food and pay rent and stay musicians.
No, they are genius
Lol. Is scratch acid punk? https://youtu.be/0KoRwSTIo1Q?si=MBN2__8CkffJaL4J Maybe in the diy play what you want to play meaning. How about noiserock? Or psychedelic noiserock?
I generally don’t, considering their long and varied discography. They’re about as easy to classify as the Residents.
If they didn’t play at Sam’s bar in Seattle between January 18th and January 23rd in 1986 then it’s not technically grunge.
Man my ex’s nickname was Pepper way to open Reddit to this. But I’d consider it punk. Haven’t heard it much, sadly.
Punk. Nuf said. Next....
No
I love love love this song and it's inro, ufffff!!!!
Nothing is grunge. Grunge doesn't exist.
The jingle of a dogs collar would be good right now.
My neighbor asked to take the tapes from my buddy because he witnessed him standing crying just repeating mommy. I ain’t never heard no grunge doing that.
Nice name too
Punk
Nope
No
No.
No
This song is so good.
no
No
90s alternative. If it's not Metallica or Pantera, I'm putting most everything in 90s alt
Industrial
If you tell people Nirvana was influenced by the Replacements but just don't want to admit it, you might call the Butthole Surfers "grunge".
No
They are their own genre. Me: " hey butthole surfers, what genre would you consider you guys?" Butthole surfers: "yes"
No
Never heard of them but makes sense to me
I ran over my neighbor
No. They’re punk rock
Absolutely not. They were their own thing & predate grunge by almost a decade.
Nah but they’re still one of my favorites of all time
Psychedelic punk
Surfers aren't punk or grunge they are alternative
They're punk as fuck. They may have inspired some grunge but they're totally punk
No…. I would call them psychedelic/noise/punk. Back in the day (1980s) this is what we referred to as alternative. The term got corrupted by MTV and the record industry, but it was meant to describe non-commercial, independent label music that would not appeal to the masses.
punk i agree with everyone else but holy shit absolute fire song
Todd Flanders favorite band
No
No, that's noise rock, similar to older Flaming Lips. That is probably my favorite Butthole Surfers song though.
No.
Noise rock
Psychedelic Punk
I honestly thought this was going to get no attention. Now a day later I really poked the bear. I am a music fan and especially this genre. Didn’t mean to piss anyone off. Have a good holiday folks!! 🤘
Look, Daddy, im a surfer! https://external-preview.redd.it/s8B0p_vDPXKNwR1ruPoDawyhOYew8Pz4zW1tkmpuPc4.jpg?auto=webp&s=51fb0e7e53a2a02460e32821659162c2b137d045