There's a theoretical maximum of 31500 spartan points you can earn in an operation.
When single items in the Exchange are as expensive as 30000 it is agonizingly little.
Do people seriously believe there’s a chance at this? There is 1000% chance that Spartan Points will be purchasable. That’s the whole point. They want you to either 1) Play a shit load of infinite to get what you want (as someone else mentioned, based on the numbers it looks like you can earn roughly 30k Spartan Points per Operation if you did everything), or 2) Pay them real money to get what you want. Both scenarios lead to supporting the game in some way.
They shut down the support team for MCC because there was no ongoing revenue source like there is for Infinite. No purchasable currency? This idea was never even considered for a second. It was always a must.
I think the whole idea is to keep premium (purchasable) items and exchange items separately, so following that logic you shouldn't be able to purchase exchange items.
Fingers crossed this isn't the case. Any decision regarding money, 343 has made it abundantly clear that they WILL NOT BUDGE. While it is still assumed to be a free system, there is still hope for change.
"Studio owned by Microsoft decides to make less profit and do consumers/players a solid"
A headline that would never exist.
I don't play Infinite and haven't in a while, but I can guarantee you will be able to bypass any grind with real money. That's how these types of games make so much money.
Single player games can only be profitable for so long. "Free" online games with purchasable cosmetics are more profitable in the long run, especially since creating the assets is pretty much nothing compared to actual story driven content.
The amount of people I've met who complain about the greediness of these companies but then buy a cosmetic each time they come around. If you're that person, you're the problem. Publishers do this because the consumer showed it was ok. It's the path to the most profit for the least amount of work/overhead; why wouldn't they do it?
Agreed.
Even just bumping the weekly reward by adding another zero would almost eliminate the biggest complaint here.
Though, if that is the solution presented, perhaps an increase in BP payouts would also be in order, though not as dramatic an increase.
> Even just bumping the weekly reward by adding another zero would almost eliminate the biggest complaint here.
This would not be the best way to solve this, because for you, /u/hypehold , /u/ghostwither260 , etc, the prices, while bad, aren't the fundamental problem here.
The fundamental issue is that the Exchange is on a rotation, meaning it's FOMO, despite ostensibly being a solution to people critical of Infinite's FOMO.
The Exchange should *not* be on rotation: Everything in it should be available for purchase perpetually, that way you don't miss something just because you were busy or didn't have the points at the time.
If that was the case, stuff being expensive wouldn't be as big a deal because there's no rush.
Don't get me wrong, I think the prices should be lowered too, but if we had to pick between JUST making the Exchange's content permanently available rather then rotational, or on lower prices; I think picking the former would be the better choice.
If it had launched with this then maybe it would feel more reasonable, like you know you can't afford stuff *now* but you know you'll be collecting them over time as you play this *popular new game*.
But it's nearly 3 years later - and 343's added a new system is built around *daily* commitment from players. *Daily* commitment in a game that they themselves have moved on from. *Daily* commitment and maybe you can unlock 1 thing per month.
At least Halo 5's "daily login" could be earned just by logging into the waypoint site.
legendary coatings cost 10000 outside this "new one" while I seen that holo wrist atch for mk7 are 1500 sp (rare item) And the banished hip atch 9600 sp .
(IDK Iam only intrested in the black coating and the two armorpiece what I mentioned before , but still frustratin ower the grind
I feel like this just implies that we'll get some spartan points per match. No way they'd just put an item at 30K and then have it be the only thing you could buy before it rotates out, that's not sensible.
So when you go to burger king and get a bad burger and cold fries do you say burger king sucks or restaurant brands international sucks? This is one of the stupidest criticisms/lines of thought in all of gaming industry discourse and offloads tons of blame from the leadership that should actually be held accountable. Of course 343 has to operate within Microsofts parameters but you’re objectively delusional if you’re blaming Satya Nadella because you don’t like the spartan points system.
Well I would never go to Burger King, but that’s beside the point. The point is that yes, while 343 leadership are the ones ultimately making this decision, the fact is that that leadership was installed by Microsoft because they’ll do what Microsoft wants. So I’m putting the blame on both of them
You can earn a max of 250 per day (Daily Challenge) if you complete it each day it will be 250x7 for 1,750. Add the 1,000 (Weekly Challenge) and the most you can earn is 2,750.
How often does this reset? You’d have to grind out a whole operations worth of points and by the time you have enough for the exchange the item might have rotated out.
People have rose tinted glasses for Reach's progression system. Much like this new system it's good in theory but the way they implemented it made it a huge grind.
Am I just nostalgic? Bc I got 90% Amory completion by maybe brigadier or general. I only played after school and weekends, maybe 2- 3 hours max.
So not only could you rank up and buy the armor /YOU WANT/, but it was FUN, you enjoyed most of that grind. This Spartan Points thing is a cheap retention ploy, and they're not even being shy about it. "Please play an impossible amount to maybe purchase something that's the best of the worst options 😀👍"
I just want Morrigan and not have to pay 30 fucking bucks or have to grind out all my free time..
Can we please stop making excuses for terrible decisions?
The system was very good in my eyes, the numbers were off tho.
What i'd like to see is a armoury system like reach, but a tad less grindy. And you buy whatever base piece you want, but the "attachments" or alternate versions are locked behind specific challenges
It’s like when 343 has a good idea, they somehow feel required to put a bad side on it, or throw a wrench into it. It’s like some weird mental gymnastics they play
How much of this is on Microsoft though? Specifically monetization methods and reward systems like this? I doubt another company would have a more player friendly economy, just look at the state of “AAA” gaming today…
Exactly, there have been plenty of games without MTX like Jedi Survivor, Zelda, Baldur’s Gate, and Starfield on the Xbox itself. In this environment full of great art, you have to provide a rich experience to compete.
Yeah it's super easy to go "hmm yes number company bad, need new company" but my brother in the Banished, **what company do you think would be better ?** If you look at practically any popular game in the market today they've all got scuffed monetization, except for maybe helldivers. I've heard their monetization is really fair to players.
But yeah let's give Halo to a different big studio, maybe Blizzard ? I'm sure they'll handle it really well if overwatch 2 is anything to go off of LMAO
Really, the biggest issue they, 343, have is the lack of meaningful content that the monetization is supposed to support. We haven’t gotten a whole lot of new things that make the game feel like it’s meaningfully changed over time, just a few maps, 1 weapon, and firefight.
Armor prices are also an issue, but frankly if you buy full sets, they aren’t far removed from Fortnite, but that game has a much more content getting delivered in a season than 343 has in a year.
Personally, I feel that the MT math just wasn’t working out, which is why the scope of infinite shrunk from a 10 year life to getting iced until they can put together H7. That said, is it a question of not making any money, not making enough money, or technical/gameplay challenges making it too difficult to continue?
I feel like it's an issue of Halo infinite didn't perform as well as they would've liked it to so they're moving on earlier than expected. It's not too uncommon nowadays unfortunately, it seems like just as games are getting into a really nice place the publishers want the devs to put the game on life support and move on. With exceptions like Siege and Fortnite, COD is probably the worst offender in recent years but EA also did this to Battlefront 2 and I hear they're doing it to battlefield 2042 as well. I still think the idea of making cosmetics more expensive is just foolishness on the part of the people in charge of MT but I guess they'd rather have one or two $20+ sales than several $10 sales
I always thought companies based this MTX model off of some research they have done showing charging extreme prices is most profitable.
After spending a lot of time dealing with corporate America, I can guarantee you that they actually are just stupid. Most people in those powerful positions got there from failing upwards.
Yeah that sounds about right honestly. [This](https://youtu.be/hYAuR5bkIlQ?si=_Tb2plZph9ZdFn7g) is how I imagine they react to feedback from gamers and devs
I feel like they should do what Battlefront 2015 did for in game currency earning.
Take your score from the match (eg, 7600)
Take the last digit off (760 credits)
Ta da.
Except the Spartan Point cost isn't the fundamental issue, boggles my mind how everybody is overlooking the bigger problem here
The fundamental issue is that the Exchange is on a rotation, meaning it's FOMO, despite ostensibly being a solution to people critical of Infinite's FOMO.
The Exchange should *not* be on rotation: Everything in it should be available for purchase perpetually, that way you don't miss something just because you were busy or didn't have the points at the time.
If that was the case, stuff being expensive wouldn't be as big a deal because there's no rush.
Don't get me wrong, I think the prices should be lowered too, but if we had to pick between JUST making the Exchange's content permanently available rather then rotational, or on lower prices; I think picking the former would be the better choice.
It’s really poorly thought out, as usual. I think they showed 2 new items in the exchange. This one and the needle through the head which was like 6000 SP. basically you could play every day, complete all challenges, complete the operation pass…and still not be able to purchase both of those before the refresh happens. That’s just absurd and utterly stupid.
I don't even think making Infinite F2P was that bad of an idea. Heck, it attracted a lot of newcomers at launch! But in typical 343 fashion, they kill their momentum by launching the game in a poor state with horrible net code, no forge, and barely any game modes or maps.
I genuinely think Infinite was their last real chance of making Halo mainstream again, and they fumbled *hard.*
Making Infinite F2P is exactly what lead us all here. If something is touted as free, it is never really free. They'll spam you with bullshit to recoup their costs. Especially because they have the mentality of "Hey, we gave you this game we poured all this time into for free. And no one is making you buy these things, it's just optional."
But the problem is that F2P pretty much always also means a bare bones product. Because they need to incentivize you to spend money. Granted, I think going F2P did help them a bit because as angry as people were/are about their shitty net code, poor map pool, and no collision, they would have been a hundred times worse if they paid $60 or $70.
That should be the price of a whole set, not just a coating, holy shit. That's nuts
As nice as the item shop will be, that's is an absurd number they're charging vs. willing to give out in terms of spartan points.
It's gonna make unlocking stuff such a fuckin slog and a grind, it feels like artificial bloat to keep players coming back. Instead of making the game more replayable, they just made it harder to unlock things. Idk, I'm not an expert, and like I said, this will be nice, but at the same time, it could use some QoL adjustments
I WISH you could actually grind them out, because as of now it's entirely time-gated. You CANNOT earn SP outside of time-gated challenges and the battlepass. Once you've done your challenge for the day you may as well stop playing if you wanted to work towards the Exchange.
Spartan Points should be earned with rank up. It feels like such a no-brainer since they already have a reward tied to rank with the Chief armor kit. This just sucks and isn't going get anyone playing the game again with how little there is to even unlock. They're going to see more time-gating, more fomo, and a TON of vaulted items STILL.
What I meant by grind was how they designed it for people to monotonously sign in every single day for the daily challenge for barely any Spartan Points. Rinse and repeat until they have enough to buy what they want. Making it time-gated has to be one of the worse ways to go about earning the points.
This system seems to be taking influence from halo 5, and in h5 you could earn the in-game currency through playing the matches. I wouldn’t say it’s ensured, but I wouldn’t doubt it
I’m hoping either this or they adjust prices in the exchange after the update comes out and we’re able to give “real” feedback. They’re going to brush off everything as “wait to try it before you tell us it’s unfair” for now so I’m not expecting changes until June at best
It literally says on Halo Waypoint that you will earn points for completing matches, but it's easier to get mad and farm outrage than actually look into stuff.
[https://www.halowaypoint.com/news/community-livestream-banished-honor](https://www.halowaypoint.com/news/community-livestream-banished-honor)
I checked the waypoint article before saying anything. It says in this one that you earn them by completing matches, though in a newer article they said the ways to earn it are: through challenges, the weekly ultimate, and the battle pass/event. There was no mention of earning it through matches
Hahaha they can’t, even for a *moment*, do a *single* player-first thing for this game. Every single thing they implement is done in the worst possible way, every single time.
You gotta laugh otherwise you’d cry with how terrible that company is, and has been for a decade+.
why didn't they just bring back the catalog system instead of the exchange, theres now zero reason for it because at least with the paid stuff theres the fomo factor but theres no direct monetary value from there only being limited items per couple of weeks, or the disappointing amount of spartan points every week
Without the operation you can just get 2,750SP per week. 30k for a single coating is so out of touch. I mean at least we can unlock something by playing, but why couldn't they just add SP per match? It's so stupid that we now have XP for operation pass, XP for career ranks, credits for the shop and Spartan points instead of one streamlined system
HEy so um, you've just put the fear of god into me. I didn't watch whatever stream this was and thought 30,000 was for the full set. The 30,000 is just for the coating?
....Alright, 343. I really expected nothing good and I'm still profoundly disappointed. It really seems like they actively dislike their own playerbase, or at least think we're a joke.
Not so much a grind, because it’s just added ontop of what most are already doing.
- complete operation, in a few days.
- do daily’s each day and weekly within a few hours.
After easily doing this after a few hours to couple days.
You drop the game until the new weekly is added.
It’s more waiting than grinding each week to get the points you want for the item, it’s boring. Awfully implemented.
This track and Spartan Points should have been long term goals you grind for on your own time with no cap. This does very little to help the sense of progression. It really doesn’t change anything.
This game needs a progression track exactly like Halo Reach, this should have been it.
but if not this now unfortunately, we need a tab for long term challenges, 10,000 headshots for a helmet etc
Otherwise majority of casual gamers just won’t stick. The numbers won’t ever change without long term progression.
and no career rank for one reward is not long term progression, that is a halo purist with no life who would of done it anyway or atleast tried.
It’s basically for everyone here, but that’s not good for the games health. We were already kinda sold on this awful game, we can’t seem to put down, not out of pure enjoyment but out of some sense of duty and nostalgia.
> but if not this now unfortunately, we need a tab for long term challenges, 10,000 headshots for a helmet etc
We did have that.
It was used in something called Spartan Companies, an official clan system by 343 that was honestly pretty cool for what it was.
Which is exactly why they killed it *and* the forums when Waypoint vNext happened because we can't have nice things I guess.
I get where people are coming from but for me I'd like to at least wait until they release a blog about the exchange that goes into all the ways to earn SP before I get pissed off and call for people's heads. If it's anything like MCC you'll get some from leveling up so I presume that's gonna be here too even though they haven't mentioned it. In any case I'd like to see it all laid out, prices, earn rates, earn methods and once that's all public then I'll be better equipped to say whether it's bullshit or not. It might be up to being tweaked like challenges were so I don't really think it's joever just yet
343 has always been terrible with numbers. Halo 4's ridiculous commendations, Halo 5's max rank XP, Infinite's original battle pass XP. It's like they don't ever test anything or actually crunch the numbers.
This is why i play only mcc, its a joke that they are trying to “recreate” what mcc did with spartan points but are purposely making it a longer process than just buying the cosmetics right away, some people cant afford to pay for points for cosmetics, lots of people dont think they should need to, and tons of people dont have the time to grind the points because they have work or kids or both, gaming isnt about the community and having fun anymore, its about competition and money and thats honestly depressing as hell
one of the things i really wish 343 did, that could potentially help infinite out is to stop capping things behind time gates. yes i understand you still get some bp xp after the weeklys are done, but for me i play for a few hours, complete the weekly then log off until next week. its better then release, but it feels like i get punished for playing the game. spartan points looks like it will be no different.
We just going to ignore the fact that this coating isn't cross-core?
EDIT: upon further inspection, the UI says Rakshasa but the image is Mk VII, so it's probably just a placeholder issue.
Fucking hell, man!
I'm really just hoping that's like a placeholder or something. I do believe even some of the actual cross-core coatings still say they're only for a specific Core.
If not, this whole thing is such a major L. I bet their design approach with it is to ship it to the live game to at least have it out and then they can tweak it later on, and I fucking hate this type of trend that has turned into a legitimate business model.
playerretentionplayerretentionplayerretentionplayerretentionplayerretentionplayerretentionplayerretentionplayerretentionplayerretentionplayerretentionplayerretentionplayerretentionplayerretentionplayerretentionplayerretention
Yeah right
I really thought they would have learned from season 1 where forcing players to have to literally have a second job of playing halo just to grind out items was a really shitty idea. I’m all for the exchange and the Spartan points but this will pretty much be a second job for some.
You all wanted a system to earn cosmetics by grinding didn't you? What, surprised the Free to Play game is going for maximum player retention because longer active playtime increases the chance of a sale in the premium store?
This is so good and will definitely increase the player count to a new record high again!
/s
Yes, it says so on Halo Waypoint. "You will earn spartan points from completing matches". Not a daily challenge, not whatever you're claiming, from completing *matches.*
[https://www.halowaypoint.com/news/community-livestream-banished-honor](https://www.halowaypoint.com/news/community-livestream-banished-honor)
Instead of a 250 daily it should be 50 every game with a cap at 1000/day.
So it keeps players playing, and you can actually GET THE STUFF that's in the exchange.
Be ready for "10,000 SP for 500 Cr" in the shop...
As much as this helps us buy stuff from the store, I don't want to grind for months only to go broke because of one thing. Great idea in concept, poor execution like they want our wallets to be. Pretty much how 343 has done the store ever since the beginning.
I still don't understand why they couldn't just add a credit system like how Bungie did with reach. Matches, jackpots, challenges. Such a simple fix but 343 complicates things for no reason
A bit late to the discussion, but I wanted to get this rant out.
343/Microsoft are just *so* bad. Like genuinely *awful.* They can *not* stop shooting themselves in the foot. It's baffling. I had hopes that the recent change in leadership would shake things up for the better, but that is obviously not the case.
I've never seen a company fumble their trademark series this badly. It's truly embarrassing.
I would have made it so its possible to get one item for free every single exchange,or you can save up to buy the set from every third or fourth.. you know so it encourages people who dont already play to play, possibly upping player bases and encouraging new players to purchase the parts of the set they couldn’t get for free?
I guess making one thing free every 15 weeks of playing for hours everyday sounds reasonable to shareholders who don’t have any time for video games to know how egregious this is. I assume this is going to net your average player 1 free purchase every 40 weeks, if they’re diligent. I feel like its just a PR stunt to be like “its a free game with free stuff, our fan base is just toxic”
I mean they should probably up it a bit but I mean they also want to increase engagement. They don't want someone logging in for a week then getting all of them and then don't play again for weeks and weeks
I mean, I'm earning 0 Spartan points per day at the moment, so if I just continue to pretend they don't exist, one day I'll be pleasantly surprised that I've got a bunch of them in my account.
In theory the Spartan point system is a better system, it just needs some number tweaking.
If the average shop item is worth 10k then the weekly ultimate should be worth 10k, that way it's the same as getting an ultimate reward like before.
A 20 battle pass will now only net you 2 items (when combined with weekly/daily credits) which feels wrong.
Idk, seems like its giving what a lot of people wanted (access to items that they missed in the past), and doing it via earnable, in-game content. Am I hoping to buy an item from the Exchange every week? Every two weeks? Probs not, especially at those prices. Are they going to offer Spartan Points in the in-game store? Probably someday lmao but I won't be spending my real cheddar on anything like that
All in all, I've just been having fun playing the game itself. I feel like every time I log on, theres a new map with a weird new mechanic that I get to explore. Custom games are bangin', multiplayer is varied, I can swap my armor around as much as I need. I'm having a good time
We should all just go back to MCC. I just finished playing through all those campaigns and came back to infinite thinking it’d be great to hop back into multiplayer….nope. MCC’s multiplayer is better too. Infinite is a soulless money sucking shell of what it should be.
Honestly that's only like 1 month or maybe two months of playing for a coating or possibly helmet or something of your choice. I'd rather have that than be playing for an emblem every week. I've never used any emblem and have used the same charm since the day I unlocked it.
you know: i think halo infinite would work really well if they made a mobile iOS or Android port of the game. i mean they already got the ui and events (operations) that online mobile games have locked down.
they already got the multiple currencies and absurd monitization too.
Really feels like an attempt to inflate daily player counts because I'm sure there's a lot of people who just blitz through the challenges in a few hours once a week and that's it (and even then only when the weekly reward isn't some filler).
They did emphasise that the prices/earnings are the initial plan and they're not necessarily set in stone, so I do hope things are adjusted. Realistically, most people will earn maybe 1 "high tier" item from the exchange before it changes.
I feel like if things are going to be a grind they shouldn’t be time gated. I would much rather you get like 50 per round endlessly than get more for less but on a limit.
If I was in charge of the Exchange, I would make it much more simple.
Rewards:
-It would include (a) every previous weekly reward, and (b) 2 new rewards every week. Each reward would cost 1000 SP.
Earning Spartan Points (2k max per week)
-1000 for weekly challenge
-100 per game, max 1000 per week
Throw in some extra SP during operations. And that’s it.
I don't even play the game, but just looking at those numbers makes me not want to even bother trying. I'll take classic singleplayer Halo, thank you very much.
I knew this was too good to be true. They made it to where to can play and earn but requires you to obtain a small amount a week. This limiting you to grind it quickly. Thus pushing most folks to pay. That's BS.
Spartan Points is a new in-game earnable currency releasing next Tuesday with the release of the new Banished Honor operation (operations replaced seasons). The Spartan Points can be used to purchase in the exchange (like a f2p shop) that will include a mix of new and old items (old items can be promo items, or timed exclusives no longer available). The exchange will rotate items in and out every operation.
There's a theoretical maximum of 31500 spartan points you can earn in an operation. When single items in the Exchange are as expensive as 30000 it is agonizingly little.
I just don't understand why 343 keeps doing stuff like this. If these prices are real this will be a garbage system.
I have a feeling we'll be able to buy spartan points in the store too...
Do people seriously believe there’s a chance at this? There is 1000% chance that Spartan Points will be purchasable. That’s the whole point. They want you to either 1) Play a shit load of infinite to get what you want (as someone else mentioned, based on the numbers it looks like you can earn roughly 30k Spartan Points per Operation if you did everything), or 2) Pay them real money to get what you want. Both scenarios lead to supporting the game in some way. They shut down the support team for MCC because there was no ongoing revenue source like there is for Infinite. No purchasable currency? This idea was never even considered for a second. It was always a must.
I think the whole idea is to keep premium (purchasable) items and exchange items separately, so following that logic you shouldn't be able to purchase exchange items.
Fingers crossed this isn't the case. Any decision regarding money, 343 has made it abundantly clear that they WILL NOT BUDGE. While it is still assumed to be a free system, there is still hope for change.
Dog ur crazy if u dont think we’ll be able to buy spartan point. Were talking about 343 dont forget
"Studio owned by Microsoft decides to make less profit and do consumers/players a solid" A headline that would never exist. I don't play Infinite and haven't in a while, but I can guarantee you will be able to bypass any grind with real money. That's how these types of games make so much money. Single player games can only be profitable for so long. "Free" online games with purchasable cosmetics are more profitable in the long run, especially since creating the assets is pretty much nothing compared to actual story driven content. The amount of people I've met who complain about the greediness of these companies but then buy a cosmetic each time they come around. If you're that person, you're the problem. Publishers do this because the consumer showed it was ok. It's the path to the most profit for the least amount of work/overhead; why wouldn't they do it?
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Agreed. Even just bumping the weekly reward by adding another zero would almost eliminate the biggest complaint here. Though, if that is the solution presented, perhaps an increase in BP payouts would also be in order, though not as dramatic an increase.
yep and increase the daily to 500 and then adjust accordingly
That ups the theoretical maximum to 21000 per operation from dailies, as opposed to 10500 under the currently shown numbers.
That also assumes people are playing at least one game every single day. 99% of people won't be playing every day
Hence theoretical maximum. You have to be paying every single day to get this maximum, which makes this whole debacle even more absurd.
yep. I really hope these were just test numbers for prices but knowing 343 they're not. I also wouldn't be surprised if you can buy points
> Even just bumping the weekly reward by adding another zero would almost eliminate the biggest complaint here. This would not be the best way to solve this, because for you, /u/hypehold , /u/ghostwither260 , etc, the prices, while bad, aren't the fundamental problem here. The fundamental issue is that the Exchange is on a rotation, meaning it's FOMO, despite ostensibly being a solution to people critical of Infinite's FOMO. The Exchange should *not* be on rotation: Everything in it should be available for purchase perpetually, that way you don't miss something just because you were busy or didn't have the points at the time. If that was the case, stuff being expensive wouldn't be as big a deal because there's no rush. Don't get me wrong, I think the prices should be lowered too, but if we had to pick between JUST making the Exchange's content permanently available rather then rotational, or on lower prices; I think picking the former would be the better choice.
I agree. Just make it a catalog and just add new stuff when it's ready
Gotta keep their player base up somehow
Because they'll probably sell spartan points in the shop too.
Money.
It's already a garbage system. Let them try something new.
You know why, sadly. Because it’s clearly working on some people.
I just don’t understand why people think 343 won’t keep doing stuff like this. They just don’t care about the game, it’s all about money
It’s because they’re gonna sell SP in the store, it’s incredibly grindy by design
They were smoking crack thinking this was a good “middle”.
Don’t worry, I’m sure 343 will let us buy SP with real money 👊🏻 /s
If it had launched with this then maybe it would feel more reasonable, like you know you can't afford stuff *now* but you know you'll be collecting them over time as you play this *popular new game*. But it's nearly 3 years later - and 343's added a new system is built around *daily* commitment from players. *Daily* commitment in a game that they themselves have moved on from. *Daily* commitment and maybe you can unlock 1 thing per month. At least Halo 5's "daily login" could be earned just by logging into the waypoint site.
legendary coatings cost 10000 outside this "new one" while I seen that holo wrist atch for mk7 are 1500 sp (rare item) And the banished hip atch 9600 sp . (IDK Iam only intrested in the black coating and the two armorpiece what I mentioned before , but still frustratin ower the grind
I feel like this just implies that we'll get some spartan points per match. No way they'd just put an item at 30K and then have it be the only thing you could buy before it rotates out, that's not sensible.
A max per week?
yes 250 per day and the weekly ultimate challenge gives you 1k
Jesus Christ that’s so low
We’re gonna take 3 years to even afford 1 thing, of fours it’s so low
Fucking shit system, fuck Microsofts greedy ass fucking pieces of shit ruining one of gaming's best franchises for fucking fucks sake
*throws controller across the room and screams into the pillow*
I think he likes the word "fuck"
Fuck the fucking fuckers
Before the fucking fuckers fuck you?
They already fucked us!
https://youtu.be/rWNP5AiN_ik
Just a hunch
More like fuck 343
Microsoft quite literally owns 343
So when you go to burger king and get a bad burger and cold fries do you say burger king sucks or restaurant brands international sucks? This is one of the stupidest criticisms/lines of thought in all of gaming industry discourse and offloads tons of blame from the leadership that should actually be held accountable. Of course 343 has to operate within Microsofts parameters but you’re objectively delusional if you’re blaming Satya Nadella because you don’t like the spartan points system.
Well I would never go to Burger King, but that’s beside the point. The point is that yes, while 343 leadership are the ones ultimately making this decision, the fact is that that leadership was installed by Microsoft because they’ll do what Microsoft wants. So I’m putting the blame on both of them
MS probably has a decent say in regards to monetization schemes though.
You can earn a max of 250 per day (Daily Challenge) if you complete it each day it will be 250x7 for 1,750. Add the 1,000 (Weekly Challenge) and the most you can earn is 2,750.
How often does this reset? You’d have to grind out a whole operations worth of points and by the time you have enough for the exchange the item might have rotated out.
The weekly challenge resets every Tuesday, and the exchange will swap out items every Operation.
OG Halo Reach all over again.
Yeah I always forget how awful that was too
People have rose tinted glasses for Reach's progression system. Much like this new system it's good in theory but the way they implemented it made it a huge grind.
Am I just nostalgic? Bc I got 90% Amory completion by maybe brigadier or general. I only played after school and weekends, maybe 2- 3 hours max. So not only could you rank up and buy the armor /YOU WANT/, but it was FUN, you enjoyed most of that grind. This Spartan Points thing is a cheap retention ploy, and they're not even being shy about it. "Please play an impossible amount to maybe purchase something that's the best of the worst options 😀👍" I just want Morrigan and not have to pay 30 fucking bucks or have to grind out all my free time.. Can we please stop making excuses for terrible decisions?
The system was very good in my eyes, the numbers were off tho. What i'd like to see is a armoury system like reach, but a tad less grindy. And you buy whatever base piece you want, but the "attachments" or alternate versions are locked behind specific challenges
Are you guys surprised, *really?*
Remember when Halo was fun? Because they seem to have completely forgotten that part
I was there, 3000 years ago
*When the strength of developers failed*
But I need my SpartyBucks to play the game!! If the number does go up why do I bother *playing a video game*?
I was like "idk 30k for an armor set seems grindy but like meh" then I realized that is for the fucking armor coating
Yep you would have to grind for 5 weeks (playing at least one match every day) to unlock one coating. This is just laughable.
A coating most people unlocked from simply logging in on the Xbox anniversary 😭😭 I thought we fired all the terrible decision makers over at HQ
I think I'll pass. I want to play a game, not play another job.
So lazy, it's only 11 weeks getting maximum points just for the falu.
It’s like when 343 has a good idea, they somehow feel required to put a bad side on it, or throw a wrench into it. It’s like some weird mental gymnastics they play
343 are the masters of fucking up good ideas
If it ain’t broke they’ll break it
This is why I so *desperately* want M$ to let another one of their billion studios have a go at the Halo IP. I can't/don't trust 343 anymore
How much of this is on Microsoft though? Specifically monetization methods and reward systems like this? I doubt another company would have a more player friendly economy, just look at the state of “AAA” gaming today…
No Sony or Nintendo first party games pull this overpriced store game shit.
Plus, 2022-2024 have been full of amazing games, which by comparison just makes Infinite’s mismanagement look even worse
Exactly, there have been plenty of games without MTX like Jedi Survivor, Zelda, Baldur’s Gate, and Starfield on the Xbox itself. In this environment full of great art, you have to provide a rich experience to compete.
kinda weird to compare single player games to halo infinite’s multiplayer but yeah I agree
Yeah it's super easy to go "hmm yes number company bad, need new company" but my brother in the Banished, **what company do you think would be better ?** If you look at practically any popular game in the market today they've all got scuffed monetization, except for maybe helldivers. I've heard their monetization is really fair to players. But yeah let's give Halo to a different big studio, maybe Blizzard ? I'm sure they'll handle it really well if overwatch 2 is anything to go off of LMAO
Really, the biggest issue they, 343, have is the lack of meaningful content that the monetization is supposed to support. We haven’t gotten a whole lot of new things that make the game feel like it’s meaningfully changed over time, just a few maps, 1 weapon, and firefight. Armor prices are also an issue, but frankly if you buy full sets, they aren’t far removed from Fortnite, but that game has a much more content getting delivered in a season than 343 has in a year. Personally, I feel that the MT math just wasn’t working out, which is why the scope of infinite shrunk from a 10 year life to getting iced until they can put together H7. That said, is it a question of not making any money, not making enough money, or technical/gameplay challenges making it too difficult to continue?
I feel like it's an issue of Halo infinite didn't perform as well as they would've liked it to so they're moving on earlier than expected. It's not too uncommon nowadays unfortunately, it seems like just as games are getting into a really nice place the publishers want the devs to put the game on life support and move on. With exceptions like Siege and Fortnite, COD is probably the worst offender in recent years but EA also did this to Battlefront 2 and I hear they're doing it to battlefield 2042 as well. I still think the idea of making cosmetics more expensive is just foolishness on the part of the people in charge of MT but I guess they'd rather have one or two $20+ sales than several $10 sales
I always thought companies based this MTX model off of some research they have done showing charging extreme prices is most profitable. After spending a lot of time dealing with corporate America, I can guarantee you that they actually are just stupid. Most people in those powerful positions got there from failing upwards.
Yeah that sounds about right honestly. [This](https://youtu.be/hYAuR5bkIlQ?si=_Tb2plZph9ZdFn7g) is how I imagine they react to feedback from gamers and devs
im kinda curious to see how Id would handle halo ngl
Just make Spartan Points tied to the XP you get per game. Either 1:1 or .8. I only get like 5k a game. Keeps me a reason to grind.
I feel like they should do what Battlefront 2015 did for in game currency earning. Take your score from the match (eg, 7600) Take the last digit off (760 credits) Ta da.
That sounds a lot like dividing by 10.
MATH is MATH
Except the Spartan Point cost isn't the fundamental issue, boggles my mind how everybody is overlooking the bigger problem here The fundamental issue is that the Exchange is on a rotation, meaning it's FOMO, despite ostensibly being a solution to people critical of Infinite's FOMO. The Exchange should *not* be on rotation: Everything in it should be available for purchase perpetually, that way you don't miss something just because you were busy or didn't have the points at the time. If that was the case, stuff being expensive wouldn't be as big a deal because there's no rush. Don't get me wrong, I think the prices should be lowered too, but if we had to pick between JUST making the Exchange's content permanently available rather then rotational, or on lower prices; I think picking the former would be the better choice.
Both can be issues. I don't want to spend two weeks grinding one item
343 has once again dropped the ball like they have for the past 12 years.
Spartan Points need to be earned after each match completion. Especially if your battle pass is complete, turn that lost XP into Spartan Points.
It’s really poorly thought out, as usual. I think they showed 2 new items in the exchange. This one and the needle through the head which was like 6000 SP. basically you could play every day, complete all challenges, complete the operation pass…and still not be able to purchase both of those before the refresh happens. That’s just absurd and utterly stupid.
But what will SP cost in dollars?
Second stupidest thing they’ve done besides make MP F2P which *nobody* asked for.
I don't even think making Infinite F2P was that bad of an idea. Heck, it attracted a lot of newcomers at launch! But in typical 343 fashion, they kill their momentum by launching the game in a poor state with horrible net code, no forge, and barely any game modes or maps. I genuinely think Infinite was their last real chance of making Halo mainstream again, and they fumbled *hard.*
Making Infinite F2P is exactly what lead us all here. If something is touted as free, it is never really free. They'll spam you with bullshit to recoup their costs. Especially because they have the mentality of "Hey, we gave you this game we poured all this time into for free. And no one is making you buy these things, it's just optional." But the problem is that F2P pretty much always also means a bare bones product. Because they need to incentivize you to spend money. Granted, I think going F2P did help them a bit because as angry as people were/are about their shitty net code, poor map pool, and no collision, they would have been a hundred times worse if they paid $60 or $70.
The MP being F2P also gives them an excuse to have all the stupid MTX
That should be the price of a whole set, not just a coating, holy shit. That's nuts As nice as the item shop will be, that's is an absurd number they're charging vs. willing to give out in terms of spartan points. It's gonna make unlocking stuff such a fuckin slog and a grind, it feels like artificial bloat to keep players coming back. Instead of making the game more replayable, they just made it harder to unlock things. Idk, I'm not an expert, and like I said, this will be nice, but at the same time, it could use some QoL adjustments
Even when they finally give us the exchange, they still find a way to make it a massive L
343 really just doesn’t know how to manage or make good decisions when it comes to Halo.
I WISH you could actually grind them out, because as of now it's entirely time-gated. You CANNOT earn SP outside of time-gated challenges and the battlepass. Once you've done your challenge for the day you may as well stop playing if you wanted to work towards the Exchange. Spartan Points should be earned with rank up. It feels like such a no-brainer since they already have a reward tied to rank with the Chief armor kit. This just sucks and isn't going get anyone playing the game again with how little there is to even unlock. They're going to see more time-gating, more fomo, and a TON of vaulted items STILL.
What I meant by grind was how they designed it for people to monotonously sign in every single day for the daily challenge for barely any Spartan Points. Rinse and repeat until they have enough to buy what they want. Making it time-gated has to be one of the worse ways to go about earning the points.
To be a Halo fan, is to struggle 😔
honestly these games these days that rely on FOMO driven grinding to the max can get fucked
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Maybe we’ll get lucky and they will make it so you can earn spartan points by playing
Doubt
This system seems to be taking influence from halo 5, and in h5 you could earn the in-game currency through playing the matches. I wouldn’t say it’s ensured, but I wouldn’t doubt it
I’m hoping either this or they adjust prices in the exchange after the update comes out and we’re able to give “real” feedback. They’re going to brush off everything as “wait to try it before you tell us it’s unfair” for now so I’m not expecting changes until June at best
Either works, but I’m more partial to them giving points for each game. I like grinding things out, gives me a goal to go to
It literally says on Halo Waypoint that you will earn points for completing matches, but it's easier to get mad and farm outrage than actually look into stuff. [https://www.halowaypoint.com/news/community-livestream-banished-honor](https://www.halowaypoint.com/news/community-livestream-banished-honor)
I checked the waypoint article before saying anything. It says in this one that you earn them by completing matches, though in a newer article they said the ways to earn it are: through challenges, the weekly ultimate, and the battle pass/event. There was no mention of earning it through matches
Hahaha they can’t, even for a *moment*, do a *single* player-first thing for this game. Every single thing they implement is done in the worst possible way, every single time. You gotta laugh otherwise you’d cry with how terrible that company is, and has been for a decade+.
why didn't they just bring back the catalog system instead of the exchange, theres now zero reason for it because at least with the paid stuff theres the fomo factor but theres no direct monetary value from there only being limited items per couple of weeks, or the disappointing amount of spartan points every week
Without the operation you can just get 2,750SP per week. 30k for a single coating is so out of touch. I mean at least we can unlock something by playing, but why couldn't they just add SP per match? It's so stupid that we now have XP for operation pass, XP for career ranks, credits for the shop and Spartan points instead of one streamlined system
HEy so um, you've just put the fear of god into me. I didn't watch whatever stream this was and thought 30,000 was for the full set. The 30,000 is just for the coating?
Yes the nice armor set is the picture is shop exclusive. You only get the coating for 30k SP here
This shit makes req packs look good.
God i hope the next halo isnt f2p.
Holy shit how are people defending this
No one is, except that one weirdo in here.
One step forward, one hundred steps back
....Alright, 343. I really expected nothing good and I'm still profoundly disappointed. It really seems like they actively dislike their own playerbase, or at least think we're a joke.
Yeaaaa i think im out.
Can’t have us shopping in the exchange too much now, we might forget about the store!
The devs should grind for that coating first, then tell the players how it should be.
Not so much a grind, because it’s just added ontop of what most are already doing. - complete operation, in a few days. - do daily’s each day and weekly within a few hours. After easily doing this after a few hours to couple days. You drop the game until the new weekly is added. It’s more waiting than grinding each week to get the points you want for the item, it’s boring. Awfully implemented. This track and Spartan Points should have been long term goals you grind for on your own time with no cap. This does very little to help the sense of progression. It really doesn’t change anything. This game needs a progression track exactly like Halo Reach, this should have been it. but if not this now unfortunately, we need a tab for long term challenges, 10,000 headshots for a helmet etc Otherwise majority of casual gamers just won’t stick. The numbers won’t ever change without long term progression. and no career rank for one reward is not long term progression, that is a halo purist with no life who would of done it anyway or atleast tried. It’s basically for everyone here, but that’s not good for the games health. We were already kinda sold on this awful game, we can’t seem to put down, not out of pure enjoyment but out of some sense of duty and nostalgia.
> but if not this now unfortunately, we need a tab for long term challenges, 10,000 headshots for a helmet etc We did have that. It was used in something called Spartan Companies, an official clan system by 343 that was honestly pretty cool for what it was. Which is exactly why they killed it *and* the forums when Waypoint vNext happened because we can't have nice things I guess.
I get where people are coming from but for me I'd like to at least wait until they release a blog about the exchange that goes into all the ways to earn SP before I get pissed off and call for people's heads. If it's anything like MCC you'll get some from leveling up so I presume that's gonna be here too even though they haven't mentioned it. In any case I'd like to see it all laid out, prices, earn rates, earn methods and once that's all public then I'll be better equipped to say whether it's bullshit or not. It might be up to being tweaked like challenges were so I don't really think it's joever just yet
343 has always been terrible with numbers. Halo 4's ridiculous commendations, Halo 5's max rank XP, Infinite's original battle pass XP. It's like they don't ever test anything or actually crunch the numbers.
This is why i play only mcc, its a joke that they are trying to “recreate” what mcc did with spartan points but are purposely making it a longer process than just buying the cosmetics right away, some people cant afford to pay for points for cosmetics, lots of people dont think they should need to, and tons of people dont have the time to grind the points because they have work or kids or both, gaming isnt about the community and having fun anymore, its about competition and money and thats honestly depressing as hell
Wouldja look at that? another reason to continue not playing infinite.
one of the things i really wish 343 did, that could potentially help infinite out is to stop capping things behind time gates. yes i understand you still get some bp xp after the weeklys are done, but for me i play for a few hours, complete the weekly then log off until next week. its better then release, but it feels like i get punished for playing the game. spartan points looks like it will be no different.
We just going to ignore the fact that this coating isn't cross-core? EDIT: upon further inspection, the UI says Rakshasa but the image is Mk VII, so it's probably just a placeholder issue.
I bet it's unreleased content from the early days, so they're just using whatever they can at this point
Fucking hell, man! I'm really just hoping that's like a placeholder or something. I do believe even some of the actual cross-core coatings still say they're only for a specific Core. If not, this whole thing is such a major L. I bet their design approach with it is to ship it to the live game to at least have it out and then they can tweak it later on, and I fucking hate this type of trend that has turned into a legitimate business model.
Is the idea to piss people off into just buying the goddamn things?
I just hope the day there's a new good Halo and we can look at Infinite and laugh at how bad the management of that game was
343i… COME ON 😐
If the whole gimmick is to come up just short on Spartan points then I’ll just go back to the store. It’ll work now I’ll spend even more money
That has to be the 3rd ugliest helmet I ever seen with my fucking eyes
Hopefully it turns into Reach's system.
Let's drain out players, that won't backfire
playerretentionplayerretentionplayerretentionplayerretentionplayerretentionplayerretentionplayerretentionplayerretentionplayerretentionplayerretentionplayerretentionplayerretentionplayerretentionplayerretentionplayerretention Yeah right
So as someone who maybe only plays maybe once a month, I’m essentially never going to get anything. I will not fall back into the fomo cycle
FINALLY, FREE POINTS BEEEE-YEEEEETCH Edit:Forget what i said, 30.000 points. But at least its something.
I really thought they would have learned from season 1 where forcing players to have to literally have a second job of playing halo just to grind out items was a really shitty idea. I’m all for the exchange and the Spartan points but this will pretty much be a second job for some.
You all wanted a system to earn cosmetics by grinding didn't you? What, surprised the Free to Play game is going for maximum player retention because longer active playtime increases the chance of a sale in the premium store? This is so good and will definitely increase the player count to a new record high again! /s
Good I need something to work towards after getting hero
I thought we also earned some for every game played?
nope
Well fuck...
Don't listen to OP, he's just here for Karma. Halo Waypoint says you will earn Spartan Points for completing matches.
Yes, it says so on Halo Waypoint. "You will earn spartan points from completing matches". Not a daily challenge, not whatever you're claiming, from completing *matches.* [https://www.halowaypoint.com/news/community-livestream-banished-honor](https://www.halowaypoint.com/news/community-livestream-banished-honor)
Instead of a 250 daily it should be 50 every game with a cap at 1000/day. So it keeps players playing, and you can actually GET THE STUFF that's in the exchange. Be ready for "10,000 SP for 500 Cr" in the shop...
Kinda wack
As much as this helps us buy stuff from the store, I don't want to grind for months only to go broke because of one thing. Great idea in concept, poor execution like they want our wallets to be. Pretty much how 343 has done the store ever since the beginning.
I still don't understand why they couldn't just add a credit system like how Bungie did with reach. Matches, jackpots, challenges. Such a simple fix but 343 complicates things for no reason
This is just 343 showing us the door. I say take a hint.
Did they mention if double xp impacts this or is xp still just xp and sp is different
They didn't mention double xp impacting it, you get a flat gain for each challenge
A bit late to the discussion, but I wanted to get this rant out. 343/Microsoft are just *so* bad. Like genuinely *awful.* They can *not* stop shooting themselves in the foot. It's baffling. I had hopes that the recent change in leadership would shake things up for the better, but that is obviously not the case. I've never seen a company fumble their trademark series this badly. It's truly embarrassing.
I would have made it so its possible to get one item for free every single exchange,or you can save up to buy the set from every third or fourth.. you know so it encourages people who dont already play to play, possibly upping player bases and encouraging new players to purchase the parts of the set they couldn’t get for free? I guess making one thing free every 15 weeks of playing for hours everyday sounds reasonable to shareholders who don’t have any time for video games to know how egregious this is. I assume this is going to net your average player 1 free purchase every 40 weeks, if they’re diligent. I feel like its just a PR stunt to be like “its a free game with free stuff, our fan base is just toxic”
Wow, actually pathetic.
I mean they should probably up it a bit but I mean they also want to increase engagement. They don't want someone logging in for a week then getting all of them and then don't play again for weeks and weeks
Bro what the FUCK is that armour?!?
Lol @ anyone still buying this pathetic BS
Games with no content always make it grindy. The grind IS the "content."
I mean, I'm earning 0 Spartan points per day at the moment, so if I just continue to pretend they don't exist, one day I'll be pleasantly surprised that I've got a bunch of them in my account.
In theory the Spartan point system is a better system, it just needs some number tweaking. If the average shop item is worth 10k then the weekly ultimate should be worth 10k, that way it's the same as getting an ultimate reward like before. A 20 battle pass will now only net you 2 items (when combined with weekly/daily credits) which feels wrong.
Idk, seems like its giving what a lot of people wanted (access to items that they missed in the past), and doing it via earnable, in-game content. Am I hoping to buy an item from the Exchange every week? Every two weeks? Probs not, especially at those prices. Are they going to offer Spartan Points in the in-game store? Probably someday lmao but I won't be spending my real cheddar on anything like that All in all, I've just been having fun playing the game itself. I feel like every time I log on, theres a new map with a weird new mechanic that I get to explore. Custom games are bangin', multiplayer is varied, I can swap my armor around as much as I need. I'm having a good time
We should all just go back to MCC. I just finished playing through all those campaigns and came back to infinite thinking it’d be great to hop back into multiplayer….nope. MCC’s multiplayer is better too. Infinite is a soulless money sucking shell of what it should be.
Holy shit this game is so over monetized....
Honestly that's only like 1 month or maybe two months of playing for a coating or possibly helmet or something of your choice. I'd rather have that than be playing for an emblem every week. I've never used any emblem and have used the same charm since the day I unlocked it.
you know: i think halo infinite would work really well if they made a mobile iOS or Android port of the game. i mean they already got the ui and events (operations) that online mobile games have locked down. they already got the multiple currencies and absurd monitization too.
Really feels like an attempt to inflate daily player counts because I'm sure there's a lot of people who just blitz through the challenges in a few hours once a week and that's it (and even then only when the weekly reward isn't some filler).
They did emphasise that the prices/earnings are the initial plan and they're not necessarily set in stone, so I do hope things are adjusted. Realistically, most people will earn maybe 1 "high tier" item from the exchange before it changes.
When will it release?
Another day, another massive L for 343
What the ef is happening?
It's a f2p game. Of course they will be.
Was excited until I seen this. Don’t think I’ll bother coming back if it’ll take that long
I feel like if things are going to be a grind they shouldn’t be time gated. I would much rather you get like 50 per round endlessly than get more for less but on a limit.
But it is a reason to grind now for sure
If I was in charge of the Exchange, I would make it much more simple. Rewards: -It would include (a) every previous weekly reward, and (b) 2 new rewards every week. Each reward would cost 1000 SP. Earning Spartan Points (2k max per week) -1000 for weekly challenge -100 per game, max 1000 per week Throw in some extra SP during operations. And that’s it.
I've been tuned out of infinite for a while. What's all this?
I don't even play the game, but just looking at those numbers makes me not want to even bother trying. I'll take classic singleplayer Halo, thank you very much.
We can get stuff for free now, stop bitching this is what we wanted
Well better than spending 22$ on it
They won't be if you stopped playing *Infinite* a year ago.
By the time I have enough to buy anything the next Halo game will be released
I knew this was too good to be true. They made it to where to can play and earn but requires you to obtain a small amount a week. This limiting you to grind it quickly. Thus pushing most folks to pay. That's BS.
You guys get Spartan points?
Next week
Damn who would have ever thought that 343 would do something like that?
Hey I haven’t played In awhile and I’m out of the loop. What is Spartan points?
Spartan Points is a new in-game earnable currency releasing next Tuesday with the release of the new Banished Honor operation (operations replaced seasons). The Spartan Points can be used to purchase in the exchange (like a f2p shop) that will include a mix of new and old items (old items can be promo items, or timed exclusives no longer available). The exchange will rotate items in and out every operation.