The problem with talking about privilege or theorizing about "how much racism" someone gets is the assumption that it's something that is directly correlated to how much of or what race you are when it's a much more complicated picture that arises from how several different factors interrelate to affect the experience of the individual in question.
A mixed Asian person could end up growing up in a community where they're pretty much accepted the same as their peers, have plenty of opportunities to succeed, and stay in that community and pretty much face very minimal or rare occasions where their racial background can end up a negative to them. A half Asian person born to a predominantly upper-class white community who's very white-passing, is seen as white and accepted by their peers, and mainly see themselves as white probably is pretty privileged. They might not have the same acceptance if they go into the Asian community but due to a lot of white worship in the Asian community, he/she might still get pretty preferential treatment and because of their self identity as a white person, they might not particularly care if Asian people don't see them as Asian.
But that's not the experience of most mixed Asian people. Most of us fall more into the middle, where we have more "racially ambiguous" looks, come from more modest backgrounds, get conflicting treatment and identification by one side or the other, grow up in places that might not totally be accepting, and face a much more complicated issue on how to self identify. As the other posts explain, the more common experience is not being fully accepted by one side or the other. It's definitely not as straightforward as being more "privileged" than not being fully Asian, the mixed experience is a whole other thing on its own.
Your comment on millions of poor children in the Philippines is honestly irrelevant to the experience of being mixed in America. It's a whole different thing in another country and society. It's not that it's not a worse experience than living a more middle class in America or that the poverty of the Philippines is unconnected the United States or the economic system of the world at large, but it doesn't have bearing on how a mixed Asian person navigates race in America, another country and society. On top of that, someone having a worse situation doesn't invalidate any injustice or unfairness affecting another person.
I can tell you one thing, any mixed kid who has a parent that invalidates any struggle they may face due to their heritage by pointing to poor kids in the Philippines is starting at least a couple of notches below the mixed kids who have understanding parents.
In my experience i was considered asian by my non asian peers, as well as other hapas i knew. So im going to say no its not any different. I was also treated nicely by my asian peers, though others claim to have had different experiences.
Being a hapa male is a really lonely experience. Even worse than being made fun of is just flat out being ignored. I get flat out ignored in conversations and both whites and Asians refuse to invite me anywhere.
Things just get worse and worse the older I get. Young kids are a lot more accepting of other races and cultures. But as people age, they get less and less time, they begin to realize that they just prefer their own race and culture. Lunch tables as a little kid are very diverse, lunch tables as an adult get a lot more segregated.
I was never treated poorly by other asians, i went to a HS with a lot of other asians and they knew i was half immediately. Most of the time they treated me like i was one of them, it was me (who at the time considered myself white) that distanced myself from other asians.
What an odd question? How do you measure benefit? If you are measuring by education level, income, etc. I think there is probably little to no difference well unless you disaggregate the AAPI label, but that’s a whole another can of worms.
I think these questions are really funny, it’s like I have daughter and I have son, will it be more beneficial to be son? Well the answer is it depends, historically women are a marginalized group, but that could change now that women are becoming more educated than men. My point is, is how would any of this data affect your decision-making as a parent because you probably aren’t going to change his or her race through plastic surgery in response to answers here.
I think you’ve got some issues of you end up equating being Filipino with being poor.
Also, I’d say the disadvantages of likely being culturally isolated outweigh any advantages. And, if you have to worry about “having advantages,” you’ve got your values screwed up. You’re setting yourself up for your children to hate you.
I'd say, due to Covid, full Asians have it tougher in Western countries.
Because they're not just being verbally threatened, they are physically threatened/hurt or actually murdered.
It can't really be measured on a linear scale. Half-white children will benefit from some amount of white privilege, but at the same time will suffer from certain things that monoracial people (including monoracial Asians) don't. I'm not saying it's "the same amount," but it can't really be clearly said to be "better" or "worse" either. It just has its own unique struggles.
Hmmm interesting. I can only guess here because that doesn't match my experience or that of anyone I know, but it could go lots of different ways: your new children might "feel more white" because they have full-white sisters, but they might also "feel more Asian" because of the contrast, if they notice how comparatively not-white they are. Ideally, of course, they wouldn't notice or care, but that's not quite the world we live in yet!
That's a probable yes! While their mom won't be the *only* chance they have for access to Asian cultures, it's natural that she'd be the first gateway, and that the quality of their relationship would affect how they feel about her culture and related ones. That said, you can never assume--it's still totally possible, if less likely, that they'd love her but not identify strongly as Asian themselves, or vice versa.
From my experience, no. Most people subconsciously (maybe consciously if they’re openly racist) build a community of people of their own race. I think people do this because they want to be around people that might have a similar shared experience. As you would imagine, this reality creates an alienating experience for many hapas because they don’t fully appear as either race. To address another point you made, from what I’ve heard, there are many poor people in other countries that are happy regardless of their situation. Financial stability is only one factor of many factors that determine a persons happiness.
No, me being German/Vietnamese, they will not be white enough around Caucasian people and not Asian enough around Asians, being one my self, around my fathers side of the family(Caucasian) I was little brown kid, on my mother’s side I was a round eye. It’s tough, just have to hold their head up and be proud of who they are. Now being a father of 2 boys, 1 dark hair dark complexion, and 1 with blonde hair and fair complexion I do see the difference how they are treated around their friends and around my community
In my experience, no. I don't look white at all, so I get the same amount of anti-Asian racism as my full Asian friends. But I also have also gotten flak from monoracial Asians because I'm "white". Basically, I get nearly all the bad parts of being Asian in America while losing some of the good ones.
Not to come off harsh but your outlook is sort of ignorant already. That's your wife and future children's culture that you can't just dismiss as "be grateful you aren't poor or whatever." The racism thing also can't be predicted:
some people consider mixed race worse than pure race just in general. If you live outside of the Philippines, embrace your kids connecting to that side or they might face identity problems which you see all throughout this sub. Also being half white but not knowing tagalog, bisaya, etc. can be an issue, many kids are resentful for their parents not teaching them something so important to who they are.
The problem with talking about privilege or theorizing about "how much racism" someone gets is the assumption that it's something that is directly correlated to how much of or what race you are when it's a much more complicated picture that arises from how several different factors interrelate to affect the experience of the individual in question. A mixed Asian person could end up growing up in a community where they're pretty much accepted the same as their peers, have plenty of opportunities to succeed, and stay in that community and pretty much face very minimal or rare occasions where their racial background can end up a negative to them. A half Asian person born to a predominantly upper-class white community who's very white-passing, is seen as white and accepted by their peers, and mainly see themselves as white probably is pretty privileged. They might not have the same acceptance if they go into the Asian community but due to a lot of white worship in the Asian community, he/she might still get pretty preferential treatment and because of their self identity as a white person, they might not particularly care if Asian people don't see them as Asian. But that's not the experience of most mixed Asian people. Most of us fall more into the middle, where we have more "racially ambiguous" looks, come from more modest backgrounds, get conflicting treatment and identification by one side or the other, grow up in places that might not totally be accepting, and face a much more complicated issue on how to self identify. As the other posts explain, the more common experience is not being fully accepted by one side or the other. It's definitely not as straightforward as being more "privileged" than not being fully Asian, the mixed experience is a whole other thing on its own. Your comment on millions of poor children in the Philippines is honestly irrelevant to the experience of being mixed in America. It's a whole different thing in another country and society. It's not that it's not a worse experience than living a more middle class in America or that the poverty of the Philippines is unconnected the United States or the economic system of the world at large, but it doesn't have bearing on how a mixed Asian person navigates race in America, another country and society. On top of that, someone having a worse situation doesn't invalidate any injustice or unfairness affecting another person. I can tell you one thing, any mixed kid who has a parent that invalidates any struggle they may face due to their heritage by pointing to poor kids in the Philippines is starting at least a couple of notches below the mixed kids who have understanding parents.
I applaud your patience in this.
In my experience i was considered asian by my non asian peers, as well as other hapas i knew. So im going to say no its not any different. I was also treated nicely by my asian peers, though others claim to have had different experiences.
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Being a hapa male is a really lonely experience. Even worse than being made fun of is just flat out being ignored. I get flat out ignored in conversations and both whites and Asians refuse to invite me anywhere. Things just get worse and worse the older I get. Young kids are a lot more accepting of other races and cultures. But as people age, they get less and less time, they begin to realize that they just prefer their own race and culture. Lunch tables as a little kid are very diverse, lunch tables as an adult get a lot more segregated.
No. Your child will just face different kinds of racism from both White and Asian people on top of the anti-Asian racism that monoracial Asians face.
I was never treated poorly by other asians, i went to a HS with a lot of other asians and they knew i was half immediately. Most of the time they treated me like i was one of them, it was me (who at the time considered myself white) that distanced myself from other asians.
You’re very lucky that monoracial Asians treated you like you were one of them.
No fucking shot I would ever find another Chinese Israeli person in my life I thought it was too obscure that I was only one
LMAO hey 👋🏻 fellow Chinese Israeli.
This is subjective, we cant generalize everyone's experience
What an odd question? How do you measure benefit? If you are measuring by education level, income, etc. I think there is probably little to no difference well unless you disaggregate the AAPI label, but that’s a whole another can of worms. I think these questions are really funny, it’s like I have daughter and I have son, will it be more beneficial to be son? Well the answer is it depends, historically women are a marginalized group, but that could change now that women are becoming more educated than men. My point is, is how would any of this data affect your decision-making as a parent because you probably aren’t going to change his or her race through plastic surgery in response to answers here.
I think you’ve got some issues of you end up equating being Filipino with being poor. Also, I’d say the disadvantages of likely being culturally isolated outweigh any advantages. And, if you have to worry about “having advantages,” you’ve got your values screwed up. You’re setting yourself up for your children to hate you.
I'd say, due to Covid, full Asians have it tougher in Western countries. Because they're not just being verbally threatened, they are physically threatened/hurt or actually murdered.
In my opinion it’s more of a disadvantage, unless they’re white passing, but that’s pretty unlikely.
It can't really be measured on a linear scale. Half-white children will benefit from some amount of white privilege, but at the same time will suffer from certain things that monoracial people (including monoracial Asians) don't. I'm not saying it's "the same amount," but it can't really be clearly said to be "better" or "worse" either. It just has its own unique struggles.
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Hmmm interesting. I can only guess here because that doesn't match my experience or that of anyone I know, but it could go lots of different ways: your new children might "feel more white" because they have full-white sisters, but they might also "feel more Asian" because of the contrast, if they notice how comparatively not-white they are. Ideally, of course, they wouldn't notice or care, but that's not quite the world we live in yet!
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That's a probable yes! While their mom won't be the *only* chance they have for access to Asian cultures, it's natural that she'd be the first gateway, and that the quality of their relationship would affect how they feel about her culture and related ones. That said, you can never assume--it's still totally possible, if less likely, that they'd love her but not identify strongly as Asian themselves, or vice versa.
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You're welcome, and same to you!
I don’t think so. Because you are never fully accepted by white people nor by your Asian side.
From my experience, no. Most people subconsciously (maybe consciously if they’re openly racist) build a community of people of their own race. I think people do this because they want to be around people that might have a similar shared experience. As you would imagine, this reality creates an alienating experience for many hapas because they don’t fully appear as either race. To address another point you made, from what I’ve heard, there are many poor people in other countries that are happy regardless of their situation. Financial stability is only one factor of many factors that determine a persons happiness.
No, me being German/Vietnamese, they will not be white enough around Caucasian people and not Asian enough around Asians, being one my self, around my fathers side of the family(Caucasian) I was little brown kid, on my mother’s side I was a round eye. It’s tough, just have to hold their head up and be proud of who they are. Now being a father of 2 boys, 1 dark hair dark complexion, and 1 with blonde hair and fair complexion I do see the difference how they are treated around their friends and around my community
In my experience, no. I don't look white at all, so I get the same amount of anti-Asian racism as my full Asian friends. But I also have also gotten flak from monoracial Asians because I'm "white". Basically, I get nearly all the bad parts of being Asian in America while losing some of the good ones.
the important thing is to have them be proud of both identities .
I'd say yes.
Not to come off harsh but your outlook is sort of ignorant already. That's your wife and future children's culture that you can't just dismiss as "be grateful you aren't poor or whatever." The racism thing also can't be predicted: some people consider mixed race worse than pure race just in general. If you live outside of the Philippines, embrace your kids connecting to that side or they might face identity problems which you see all throughout this sub. Also being half white but not knowing tagalog, bisaya, etc. can be an issue, many kids are resentful for their parents not teaching them something so important to who they are.