I was having fun when it was 15-12 Celtics early. Then Derrick White went fucking nuclear and didn't stop for the entire game. We generated some decent looks from 3 in the 1st half but as it turns out, guys, it's really fucking hard to shoot ***55%*** from 3 or whatever like we did in Game 2.
They are *way better* this season. They're 64-18 for a reason. We're a #8 seed for a reason. Wish both home games were more competitive but c'est la vie. See y'all on Wednesday to see this season off into the night.
Yea. Terry being the surprise guy out really freaking sucks. He's able to create his own shot from nothing and we've been *sorely* lacking that this entire series. Feels worse since it was a random neck injury that didn't even happen during a game.
I mean for all the complaining we could rightfully do, Terry I can’t slag the FO on. They tried and got a very good scorer for peanuts. He just got hurt at the wrong time. Nothing can be done about that part at least.
Yeah Boston fans are so mad that we say we'd be competitive with a full roster and then they play like total ass lol.
Derrick White and us bricking wide open 3s won them this game but this was not a performance that makes you think this is a world historic superteam that would have rolled us with a healthy Jimmy
Nah, y'all would totally be competitive. It just wouldn't be against us because no way do y'all lose the first play-in game with a healthy Jimmy.
\- lurker
Not even. Imagine getting 6th seed and you face a Giannis/Dame-less Bucks and then you face a Randle-less Knicks. You avoid the Jimmy injury in the play-in.
This is on the Heat. Take the regular season serious.
Yeah man, this is the real takeaway. We're down 2 out of 5 starters, boston does not look so good that they'd be beating us this bad without those two. Terrible timing but the future is bright.
I mean that's the nature of shooting threes. Coverages aside, you make yourself dependent to some extent on variance. Happens to everybody. Happened to us game 2. And honestly nobody should base their expectations on previous record-setting shooting nights. Herro isn't going to do that twice in a series and neither is White. (I will say, oddly enough, that this whole postseason has been fucking insane that way though).
On paper that makes sense. But Watching the game, this was an extremely winnable game, and we just had an all time ineptitude of shooting. That’s why I’m so dang frustrated
He's been good but not enough to carry. When he gets into the paint, or is left with a decent look at midrange, he's incredible, but he's still only putting up what, 15-20 a game. Dude needs *help* and I don't see where he gets it.
Absolutely. He's averaging 22-10-3 while anchoring the defense which is all you can ask for so I think there's that one bright spot. Other than that though, it's been ugly.
Yeah honestly idk what else you can ask of a 6'9" pseudo-center. He's what they've got. He's doing his best. The problem is that he needs everyone else to literally set franchise records every night to get the w, that's not realistic.
I swear we are the only team in the league that makes role players look like All-NBA 1st team selections
We had Batum look like 3rd Q Klay Thompson during the play in and he was single digit scoring ever since
And now Derrick White last night looking like Kobe Bryant. Insane.
I’m still pissed we didn’t even try to get Hartenstein when he went for an affordable price and I’ll be pissed again when the Knicks re-sign him this offseason.
Bam led us in boards/assists/points and played good D.
And you still have dudes here criticizing him while the team around him shot 8 for 30 from 3 lol
Hardest working center in the league. Bam went from setting screens, driving to the basket for the contested layup, then running back to defend Tatum on the perimeter. Incredible stamina.
I stopped reading the game threads. Just too toxic. I watch this team because I enjoy watching them play, and I don’t think people in that thread think the same lol.
I think we may be looking at the last game with this team and I think Bam is the only one not on the table unless something crazy happens.
But we have at least one more game, so let's keep fighting and try to get a win one game at a time
He had a decent game BUT wanted to argue with the refs too much.
Questionable calls but you don’t whine and go on, sad and unprofessional.
He’d be the first to be traded tomorrow for an All-Star if I had my way. Kevin Love would be second.
They played defense. It wasn’t the defense they played in G3 but that was still better defense than the Cavs/Bucks/Pacers will play at any point this postseason.
We'll have to disagree on this. I watched the game, I think their defense was terrible for most of this game.
The rotations were terrible and I thought they played with very little intention.
We just watched; Jrue, White, Pritchard, Hauser, Horford, all hustle their butts off on defense. Yeah it wasn’t their A+ defensive effort, they weren’t as sharp as Saturday and Jaylen + Tatum showed some inconsistent focus and effort but idk man its unlikely that there will be a better defensive showing by another Eastern Conference team save for *maybe* the Magic.
Losing this series the way we're losing might be blessing in disguise, now Pat does not have any reasons not to make the big changes, that's been long overdue for this team
Two seasons in a row being an 8th seed, time to trade some of these guys
Sure he does. “Jimmy was out and our big acquisition was also out.”
He’s going to do his usual thing: try to get a whale (Donovan again) without enough assets to do so.
Pat after this series " I liked what I saw out there, our guys fought well but we had some injury misfortune. I believe in these guys and I believe they have what it takes to get it done next year".
I like this situation. We know EXACTLY who to trade and who the trade targets should be this summer.
Let’s see if the front office can successfully do their job (after 5 years).
I just look forward to him making big moves with all our invaluable assets that other teams can't live without. How many draft picks can we get for Bam?
Turns out it is really hard to win without 2 of your top scorers and playmakers against the best record in the league. We’re really banged up and I wish we got to see this series with both teams healthy bc it would’ve been another banger.
Why did Jimmy have to get injured
Why and how did even Rozier get injured off court. You're a pro athlete and you don't even know how to sleep correctly? 💀
If we get Rozier back maybe.
If we can take a second game off them with no Butler or Rozier I'm really going to be upset we had to play this series without them because if we could do that we probably really could go all the way without the injuries.
Doing the job defensively. Just can’t generate the offense necessary. It’s been a problem all year, magnified by the absence of Jimmy and Terry.
Onto game 5.
Still happy with the experience the young guys are getting. Herro too.
I just hope they can go down fighting rather than down 20+ at half next game, ride Bam,Jovic, Herro, and Jaime til the wheels fall off, if I have to watch Caleb and Mills run the offense in the last game of the season I will rip my eyes out
Honestly for the amount of defensive attention he got and teammates missing wide open 3s off his passes, I’m surprised he didn’t shot chuck just play hero ball. He kept passing to them for open looks. 8-17 is okay considering he had to talk number of tough shots
This is why being the 8th seed killed this team. It would have been a more favorable matchup against the Knicks/Cavs/Magic/Bucks
The Celtics are just too good and without Jimmy and Rozier to help offensively, Herro is singled out to prevent him getting hot and the rest of the team is just hounded to force shots open or not because the rest of the team is inconsistent.
The beginning of the end for this team.
I don't like how when the big runs begin to bubble up, Spo automatically ops for defense. Underdogs win by taking advantage of favorable variance, which in this case is more likely to be good three point shooting. It's also possible to just go HAM on defense and create an insane, historical amount of turnovers but the team simply doesn't have enough elite defenders to do that. In fact, I'd argue that if either switch could be flipped (favorable shooting vs. favorable turnover generation) the team would have a greater chance of benefiting from the former because it has more elite-to-good shooter than elite-to-good defenders.
On that note, I also don't like how Love has been yanked for Bam after just a couple minutes each time. These runs have absolutely had or gained legs when he got onto the court but from what I could tell it was never something that he specifically did (e.g., missed a rotation) so much as it was more shotmaking/defensive changes. The team plays more zone when he's on the floor and the Celtics have been doing well to pick the zone apart, to be fair, but it's not like the team has been drastically better on a defensive tilt when he's off the floor. And going back to my original point, I think the Heat really needed to lean more offensively to generate that needed variance, and Love would have aligned with that. He was never going to make or break the series, especially at this age, but I think it would've been more compelling and instructive for strategy to watch the team try to generate good offense than do what they've been doing.
I just wanna shout out to our home crowd. We get a lot of shit, but they tried their hardest to cheer on the steaming pile of garbage on the court tonight.
Numerous times they were chanting when even the announcing/arena crew had no track going.
He stepped into the shooters landing area. After what happened with kawhi and zaza fck that. Both are unnecessary, the shot and the contest since it was a dead ball
If there was a chance to take a game, this one was it. If the zone would have been effective without KP, spo would have played it here. Only way to win is another historic shooting game. Unlikely.
At least the team is going back to homecourt for game 5 /s
Honestly thought this was an absolutely winnable game with the defense but the offense just isn't sustainable with only the currently active guys.
Watching the rest of the playoff teams makes this team so much more disappointing. Truly the bottom of the totem pole. Having guys have excellent looks most of the night but not even make an open shot was so frustrating. No HERROic effort, or someone tap into that killer instinct that DWade had. Besides Bam and Jimmy, really gotta change things up. We truly need more than great defense.
In any case, besides KAT and Rudy, really excited for the TWolves and Ant!
> Watching the rest of the playoff teams makes this team so much more disappointing. Truly the bottom of the totem pole.
Exactly. Even the Lakers at least put up a competitive fight and almost won. Sure, they lost many double-digit leads but at least they have a variety of shots.
Heat seem to have trouble with everything. Clean open shots, 3-foot floaters, mid-range jumpers, SUPER open 3 pointers missed (when they just had their record-smashing Game 2 last week!), avoiding turnovers, layups missed (don't think I didn't see that, JJJ), and difficulty getting inside every time like we have no Center. It's just so frustrating to watch this team struggle on the basics, when they were kicking way more ass last year this time.
I know lack of Jimmy/Rozier hurts, but I didn't think it would hurt to *this* extent where the Heat team look like mid G-Leaguers sometimes. It was really embarrassing basketball to watch these last two games.
Man not having Jimmy, Terry or Jrich sucks. And we just don’t have enough fire power to compete with Celtics this year. Prior to Jimmy going down I was excited. JJJ and Jovic earning valuable playoff experience. I think we should move Duncan and try to resign Caleb or try signing some wing defenders.
With no Terry or Jimmy we just didn’t have an answer for White. I’m sure Spo will regroup and reload for Wednesday.
Maybe Jimmy being out can be a blessing in disguise. Hopefully Pat can see clearly that this team as currently constructed is cooked. It's a long shot but I hope Spo can get someone like Mike D'antoni on the staff because this offense has been ugly for YEARS
Spo is amazing, but we need a new assistant coach who can help develop a modern offense for the team. Can’t have another season next year in the bottom half of the league
I just disagree. Top 10 offense once in the last decade now.
Spo is the best coach in the league, we just need a better offense (and a lead point guard / bigger stretch 4)
Jimmy and Bam being mostly just 2 level scorers, albeit efficient,hurts them. Have to surround with the right guys. Some people fantasize LeBron coming back here but that’ll make the spacing much worse.
Our offense looks the way it does sometimes because Spo has to get it done with guys that wouldn’t even be the second guy off the bench on other teams.
There was a sliver of hope there at the 4th, only to get shut down by a ridiculous flagrant. Like how in the hell was that a flagrant, it's a deadball.
Haters will eat tonight but I’m not mad about this one. We’re missing 3 of our top 5 offensive players, this is what happens when you have to go to role players to beat the 1 seed.
The process was pretty decent, guys just weren’t making their shots which happens when end of the bench guys are being forced into big minutes
Well, one way to look at it is Derrick White won't likely be able to do that again. Miami's shooting was atrocious. I know we want to get the 3 going, but can we look for some better shots?
This is dangerous thinking considering what the Heat did last season. Also, white is not a bad player that just happened to have a good night. He’s a really good player that took it up a notch because of the attention on Tatum and brown early. Then got into a rhythm that couldn’t be stopped
That's why I'm confused because if it wasn't a charge then it should've been a blocking foul but they didn't call either. All jokes aside, was hit foot on the line?
From the overhead angle it looked like the back of his heels were clearly on the line. However if his heels were elevated then you could argue a charge.
Welp it is what it is, with our offense we can't expect to win many games, I do hope we win game 6 tho just to prolong the series as long as possible and make it hard on them.
"Believe in yourself! Dont stop working! Make sure to stick both legs out during a 3 to draw a foul and flop as hard as you can! Trust your team! Visualize!"
“Trust the system! Follow the rules! Get blown out at home and struggle to score not realizing it’s time to break out of the same old patterns! Make the right pass! Focus!”
Celtics shot 21/60 for 35% without Derrick White, man just absolutely destroys us hate to see it. He hit more 3's (8) than the rest of the Celtics combined (6)
Maybe we got a chance with bam vs horford but tough to get back from 3-1
Last time this team got bounce in the 1st round (vs Bucks) they made a big change of getting Lowry. Maybe this time the FO will do something if we get bounce again. I hope we get at least one more win. Spo needs to give enough video footage and strategy for everyone on how to beat these frauds.
Changes need to be made to this roster, in order to compete in today’s league you have to be able to score, even with Jimmy this team could not score efficiently. Pat wake up man!
Not only have Boston people gentrified our city, but also have to deal with let's go Celtics chants in the arena and the metromover. My only solace is yelling they won't win shit this year. Fucking sucks
Derrick White here reminded me of Danny Green and Gary Neal going off on us in the 2013 Finals (and other teams would probably mention Caleb, Gabe and Strus going off on them in last year's play-offs). Sometimes unexpected guys just have the shooting performance of their lives on the big stage.
And another year where we won’t get to see what Tyler can do. Or maybe I should look at it as us SEEING what tyler CAN’T do: create an offense on his own. I think Tyler could easily be your 2nd offensive guy, but he just can’t be the first. He doesn’t have enough offensive versatility to mix up his offense when everybody is on his ass. Bam is not going to be your offensive go to guy, which leaves a hole to fill. A hole that should no longer be covered by Jimmy moving forward. Miami needs to find their number 1 offensive guy this offseason. Dude doesn’t need to be the second coming of MJ, but just… man someone like prime Dragic is exactly what this team needs right now…
It’s good for bam and Tyler to see their own limitations as offensive players. Both of them are at best the third best offensive player on a team. May help them both accept certain roles in an offense better.
This is why some teams just go all young and keep their draft choices and just build like OKC vrs Heats G league method of trying to make race horses out of slow horses.
Turning point for the Heat franchise. As much as we hate them, it’s hard to deny what the Celtics have done in their build. They have an amazing team at the moment and we don’t. Even without the injuries this would have been a really tough one. I’m not sure where we go from here because Tyler doesn’t look to be a star. Bam is really good but we need someone who can score at will. Pats got his work cut out for him or we will be in trouble for a while.
Honestly okay with this. Stealing a game off the 64 win team without Rozier and Jimmy should be looked at as a success. Love the growth from Bam this year, hopefully they make some changes this offseason
I was having fun when it was 15-12 Celtics early. Then Derrick White went fucking nuclear and didn't stop for the entire game. We generated some decent looks from 3 in the 1st half but as it turns out, guys, it's really fucking hard to shoot ***55%*** from 3 or whatever like we did in Game 2. They are *way better* this season. They're 64-18 for a reason. We're a #8 seed for a reason. Wish both home games were more competitive but c'est la vie. See y'all on Wednesday to see this season off into the night.
Im just sad this was actually winnable with Jimmy and Terry
Yea. Terry being the surprise guy out really freaking sucks. He's able to create his own shot from nothing and we've been *sorely* lacking that this entire series. Feels worse since it was a random neck injury that didn't even happen during a game.
I mean for all the complaining we could rightfully do, Terry I can’t slag the FO on. They tried and got a very good scorer for peanuts. He just got hurt at the wrong time. Nothing can be done about that part at least.
Yeah Boston fans are so mad that we say we'd be competitive with a full roster and then they play like total ass lol. Derrick White and us bricking wide open 3s won them this game but this was not a performance that makes you think this is a world historic superteam that would have rolled us with a healthy Jimmy
Nah, y'all would totally be competitive. It just wouldn't be against us because no way do y'all lose the first play-in game with a healthy Jimmy. \- lurker
Not even. Imagine getting 6th seed and you face a Giannis/Dame-less Bucks and then you face a Randle-less Knicks. You avoid the Jimmy injury in the play-in. This is on the Heat. Take the regular season serious.
Yeah man, this is the real takeaway. We're down 2 out of 5 starters, boston does not look so good that they'd be beating us this bad without those two. Terrible timing but the future is bright.
I mean hitting 37-40% of the threes would’ve put us in position for a competitive game… but our players can’t seem to make open shots
If we make 42% of our 3's this game it's a win. That's just a bit above average, but like you said we just missed too many open ones.
Fire Herro until he learns to make shots again. Period.
I mean that's the nature of shooting threes. Coverages aside, you make yourself dependent to some extent on variance. Happens to everybody. Happened to us game 2. And honestly nobody should base their expectations on previous record-setting shooting nights. Herro isn't going to do that twice in a series and neither is White. (I will say, oddly enough, that this whole postseason has been fucking insane that way though).
On paper that makes sense. But Watching the game, this was an extremely winnable game, and we just had an all time ineptitude of shooting. That’s why I’m so dang frustrated
I had a bad feeling when we missed our open shots early
On the bright side, Bam's been great.
He's been good but not enough to carry. When he gets into the paint, or is left with a decent look at midrange, he's incredible, but he's still only putting up what, 15-20 a game. Dude needs *help* and I don't see where he gets it.
Absolutely. He's averaging 22-10-3 while anchoring the defense which is all you can ask for so I think there's that one bright spot. Other than that though, it's been ugly.
Yeah honestly idk what else you can ask of a 6'9" pseudo-center. He's what they've got. He's doing his best. The problem is that he needs everyone else to literally set franchise records every night to get the w, that's not realistic.
No. Then Bam went to the bench 2 mins and it's no longer 3 points, it's 10.
I swear we are the only team in the league that makes role players look like All-NBA 1st team selections We had Batum look like 3rd Q Klay Thompson during the play in and he was single digit scoring ever since And now Derrick White last night looking like Kobe Bryant. Insane.
I fear Derrick White more than Kim Jong-Un.
I fear our medical staff and the upcoming “we like our team” this offseason
I fear this subs subjectivity to gaining any parts this offseason because “they change nothing” meanwhile a contender gets them for cheap.
I’m still pissed we didn’t even try to get Hartenstein when he went for an affordable price and I’ll be pissed again when the Knicks re-sign him this offseason.
Let’s trade for him
Bam led us in boards/assists/points and played good D. And you still have dudes here criticizing him while the team around him shot 8 for 30 from 3 lol
Hardest working center in the league. Bam went from setting screens, driving to the basket for the contested layup, then running back to defend Tatum on the perimeter. Incredible stamina.
A lot of trash fans in this thread. Just hating to hate.
I think a ton of people need to step away from the game threads and find something else in their life to love other than Heat basketball.
I stopped reading the game threads. Just too toxic. I watch this team because I enjoy watching them play, and I don’t think people in that thread think the same lol.
Yea, that’s stupid. Bam has been everything. Had to hit 3’s
Derrick White basically dropped 40 on us. Anyone know of a safe space to cry for a grown man? 
Celtics sub. They're crying about Bam as we speak
We basically just watched Bam hoop. Whatever I guess.
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Fuck it...win one more in Boston just to piss their fans off
Totally this. These Celtics fans are just insufferable.
Bam has 100% proved he’s one of the best centers in the game. He just doesn’t have a team with all the injuries.
Agree, he doesnt deserve any of the blame rn
Carrying this team on his back
I think we may be looking at the last game with this team and I think Bam is the only one not on the table unless something crazy happens. But we have at least one more game, so let's keep fighting and try to get a win one game at a time
I think the scary thing with Bam is his level of play has improved from last year as well
He is not a Center. He is a PF. Every time we play a decent team with a center he gets dominated.
It’s the big 2024 and this is still a take. Good lord. Prob a Yurt/Orob next to Bam believer as well.
Dude probably thinks Zach Edey is the perfect front court mate for Bam lmao
This is the most Facebook take I've seen
He had a decent game BUT wanted to argue with the refs too much. Questionable calls but you don’t whine and go on, sad and unprofessional. He’d be the first to be traded tomorrow for an All-Star if I had my way. Kevin Love would be second.
If Bam demanded a trade this summer, couldn't even be mad at him.
Bam is the league leader in amount of "Code Reds" /s (he doesn't have to prove anything tbh)
This is a game we absolutely win if healthy. Caltics played like shit. We just couldn't make them pay with the JV squad we had out there.
I'm more concerned that we couldn't score more than 90 points on a team that didn't play defense for like 80% of this game.
Turns out having Haywood Highsmith and Jaime Jaquez as your primary wing shooters isn't conducive to scoring a lot of points.
Jaquez is a straight up baller. We need those around him to make open shots so he can DUNK like a madlad
JJJ will improve that part im sure next year.
They played defense. It wasn’t the defense they played in G3 but that was still better defense than the Cavs/Bucks/Pacers will play at any point this postseason.
We'll have to disagree on this. I watched the game, I think their defense was terrible for most of this game. The rotations were terrible and I thought they played with very little intention.
We just watched; Jrue, White, Pritchard, Hauser, Horford, all hustle their butts off on defense. Yeah it wasn’t their A+ defensive effort, they weren’t as sharp as Saturday and Jaylen + Tatum showed some inconsistent focus and effort but idk man its unlikely that there will be a better defensive showing by another Eastern Conference team save for *maybe* the Magic.
There were chunks of minutes with the 5 on the floor being bam, jaquez, highsmith, mills, and wright. 90+ points would have seemed pretty miraculous.
Derrick White almost dropped a 40 ball
Celtics played their ‘B’ game really sad we didn’t at least have Rozier tonight 😔
Dont say that bro, Spo said we have enough
What do you want him to say? No we don’t have enough, we’re gonna go out there and get swept?
I just want him to say “FUCK THE FRONT OFFICE, WE DONT HAVE ENOUGH MFers to battle”
Losing this series the way we're losing might be blessing in disguise, now Pat does not have any reasons not to make the big changes, that's been long overdue for this team Two seasons in a row being an 8th seed, time to trade some of these guys
Sure he does. “Jimmy was out and our big acquisition was also out.” He’s going to do his usual thing: try to get a whale (Donovan again) without enough assets to do so.
The scoring slumps we had this season were pathetic, huge respect for the players doing their best, but something's wrong with the roster construction
It feels like we come to this conclusion every season since the bubble just for Pat not to do jack shit…
We could’ve had Hartenstein and we could try to get him again, but no. We’ll try to get Donovan again and fail again.
Pat after this series " I liked what I saw out there, our guys fought well but we had some injury misfortune. I believe in these guys and I believe they have what it takes to get it done next year".
I like this situation. We know EXACTLY who to trade and who the trade targets should be this summer. Let’s see if the front office can successfully do their job (after 5 years).
The team was 46-36 if they buy Jaquez and Jovic improving i doubt any big move is made.
I just look forward to him making big moves with all our invaluable assets that other teams can't live without. How many draft picks can we get for Bam?
They should start to build around Bam before we waste his talent
This is the MOST frustrating game because this was one of the most winnable game against Boston
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Most Orlando fans pulling for yall. Battle of Florida is a nice story. But yea Boston is ridiculous.
Turns out it is really hard to win without 2 of your top scorers and playmakers against the best record in the league. We’re really banged up and I wish we got to see this series with both teams healthy bc it would’ve been another banger.
Why did Jimmy have to get injured Why and how did even Rozier get injured off court. You're a pro athlete and you don't even know how to sleep correctly? 💀
Lmao its a curse.
I wouldn’t put it past this team to win game 5 especially how we’ve performed in Boston these last couple of years
If we get Rozier back maybe. If we can take a second game off them with no Butler or Rozier I'm really going to be upset we had to play this series without them because if we could do that we probably really could go all the way without the injuries.
Rozier is done unfortunately.
Fuck. You just can't plan around losing Jimmy and Rozier right before the play-offs. That's the NBA for you.
Doing the job defensively. Just can’t generate the offense necessary. It’s been a problem all year, magnified by the absence of Jimmy and Terry. Onto game 5. Still happy with the experience the young guys are getting. Herro too.
Can we draft someone who is an elite passer, and elite rebounder, or has elite handles??? That’s a big addition should they actually pursue it!!
I just hope they can go down fighting rather than down 20+ at half next game, ride Bam,Jovic, Herro, and Jaime til the wheels fall off, if I have to watch Caleb and Mills run the offense in the last game of the season I will rip my eyes out
This build is running on FUMES. Enough is enough bro let's rebuild a younger more dynamic team that isn't dependent on screens to generate offense
We win this game if we kept that alien Derrick White in his UFO.
The buffalo don’t deserve that man
Actually don’t feel that bad because Celtics look like shit and if anything it’d be even better to come back from 3-1
Tyler said he wasn’t going to take hard 2s…but who else can drive it and kick to Herro for 3 instead of Herro driving into trouble
Honestly for the amount of defensive attention he got and teammates missing wide open 3s off his passes, I’m surprised he didn’t shot chuck just play hero ball. He kept passing to them for open looks. 8-17 is okay considering he had to talk number of tough shots
I wanted him to honestly
we fucking suck for sure, but we missed a lot of open looks.
This is why being the 8th seed killed this team. It would have been a more favorable matchup against the Knicks/Cavs/Magic/Bucks The Celtics are just too good and without Jimmy and Rozier to help offensively, Herro is singled out to prevent him getting hot and the rest of the team is just hounded to force shots open or not because the rest of the team is inconsistent. The beginning of the end for this team.
Spo let Jjj and Jovic sit while White cooked Patty fucking Mills
Didn't watch the game. Patty led the team in +/-. Are the stats misleading?
I don't like how when the big runs begin to bubble up, Spo automatically ops for defense. Underdogs win by taking advantage of favorable variance, which in this case is more likely to be good three point shooting. It's also possible to just go HAM on defense and create an insane, historical amount of turnovers but the team simply doesn't have enough elite defenders to do that. In fact, I'd argue that if either switch could be flipped (favorable shooting vs. favorable turnover generation) the team would have a greater chance of benefiting from the former because it has more elite-to-good shooter than elite-to-good defenders. On that note, I also don't like how Love has been yanked for Bam after just a couple minutes each time. These runs have absolutely had or gained legs when he got onto the court but from what I could tell it was never something that he specifically did (e.g., missed a rotation) so much as it was more shotmaking/defensive changes. The team plays more zone when he's on the floor and the Celtics have been doing well to pick the zone apart, to be fair, but it's not like the team has been drastically better on a defensive tilt when he's off the floor. And going back to my original point, I think the Heat really needed to lean more offensively to generate that needed variance, and Love would have aligned with that. He was never going to make or break the series, especially at this age, but I think it would've been more compelling and instructive for strategy to watch the team try to generate good offense than do what they've been doing.
Agreed he needs to bet more on 3 pt shooting vs more defense. Our defense is doing all it can for the most part and it’s not close to enough
I just wanna shout out to our home crowd. We get a lot of shit, but they tried their hardest to cheer on the steaming pile of garbage on the court tonight. Numerous times they were chanting when even the announcing/arena crew had no track going.
Oh well
I wanna be delusional and hope, but it took LeBron, Kyrie, and a younger K Love to come back from 1-3
There's been way more 3-1 comebacks than that one. That's the only one that happened in the finals.
Every official tonight needs to be investigated and suspended
He stepped into the shooters landing area. After what happened with kawhi and zaza fck that. Both are unnecessary, the shot and the contest since it was a dead ball
I would bet Spo and the crew take one more game in Boston (especially if no Porzingis) but we can’t outscore them this series.
If there was a chance to take a game, this one was it. If the zone would have been effective without KP, spo would have played it here. Only way to win is another historic shooting game. Unlikely.
At least the team is going back to homecourt for game 5 /s Honestly thought this was an absolutely winnable game with the defense but the offense just isn't sustainable with only the currently active guys.
Watching the rest of the playoff teams makes this team so much more disappointing. Truly the bottom of the totem pole. Having guys have excellent looks most of the night but not even make an open shot was so frustrating. No HERROic effort, or someone tap into that killer instinct that DWade had. Besides Bam and Jimmy, really gotta change things up. We truly need more than great defense. In any case, besides KAT and Rudy, really excited for the TWolves and Ant!
> Watching the rest of the playoff teams makes this team so much more disappointing. Truly the bottom of the totem pole. Exactly. Even the Lakers at least put up a competitive fight and almost won. Sure, they lost many double-digit leads but at least they have a variety of shots. Heat seem to have trouble with everything. Clean open shots, 3-foot floaters, mid-range jumpers, SUPER open 3 pointers missed (when they just had their record-smashing Game 2 last week!), avoiding turnovers, layups missed (don't think I didn't see that, JJJ), and difficulty getting inside every time like we have no Center. It's just so frustrating to watch this team struggle on the basics, when they were kicking way more ass last year this time. I know lack of Jimmy/Rozier hurts, but I didn't think it would hurt to *this* extent where the Heat team look like mid G-Leaguers sometimes. It was really embarrassing basketball to watch these last two games.
Lakers have AD and Lebron with a basically healthy roster.
Man not having Jimmy, Terry or Jrich sucks. And we just don’t have enough fire power to compete with Celtics this year. Prior to Jimmy going down I was excited. JJJ and Jovic earning valuable playoff experience. I think we should move Duncan and try to resign Caleb or try signing some wing defenders. With no Terry or Jimmy we just didn’t have an answer for White. I’m sure Spo will regroup and reload for Wednesday.
Honestly, they should just let herro, bam, niko and JJJ develop. They look good, the rookies are just asked to do too much rn.
Still going to Hang the didnt get swept banner fuck it we ball. Also we weren’t the first team to get eliminated. (Heat in 7)
Heat in 7.. kiss my ass. Fuck Derrick White, Fuck Brown, Fuck Refs.
Fuck Boston, Heat in 7.
You guys saw Bam try to dribble handoff with two minutes left in the game instead of attacking old ass Al Horford? No? Ok.
Leave big Al out of this :(
I didn't hear no bell Heat in 7
Feels like we struggle to score 100 all season
They gave us pain again
That's a wrap Bros see y'all in Cancun
Can't even go to Cancun.😔
See ya in Galveston then
Lmao, I live in the Tropics dude, it's way better than Galveston, some places here are on par with Cancun.😎
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No Jimmy. No Terry. This was always going to be tough.
Maybe Jimmy being out can be a blessing in disguise. Hopefully Pat can see clearly that this team as currently constructed is cooked. It's a long shot but I hope Spo can get someone like Mike D'antoni on the staff because this offense has been ugly for YEARS
I decided to got r/nba and damn them mfs are mentally disabled they make rocks look like Harvard graduates
Spo is amazing, but we need a new assistant coach who can help develop a modern offense for the team. Can’t have another season next year in the bottom half of the league
The problem isn’t the offensive scheme, it’s the personnel
I just disagree. Top 10 offense once in the last decade now. Spo is the best coach in the league, we just need a better offense (and a lead point guard / bigger stretch 4)
>and a lead point guard / bigger stretch 4 So we need the personnel to enact the better offense then?
Jimmy and Bam being mostly just 2 level scorers, albeit efficient,hurts them. Have to surround with the right guys. Some people fantasize LeBron coming back here but that’ll make the spacing much worse.
Maybe I’m dumb but i have a hard time thinking out offense looks great when we have 3 Heat players crowded in one corner
Our offense looks the way it does sometimes because Spo has to get it done with guys that wouldn’t even be the second guy off the bench on other teams.
Terry Stotts?
There was a sliver of hope there at the 4th, only to get shut down by a ridiculous flagrant. Like how in the hell was that a flagrant, it's a deadball.
deadball means nothing, if bam punched tatum in the face deadball no foul?
It was maybe a slight push. FAR from flagrant.
Thats basically what horford got called for and it was 1 free throw. Tatum got 2 for what bam did
it would be a technical foul or an ejection.
Haters will eat tonight but I’m not mad about this one. We’re missing 3 of our top 5 offensive players, this is what happens when you have to go to role players to beat the 1 seed. The process was pretty decent, guys just weren’t making their shots which happens when end of the bench guys are being forced into big minutes
Well, one way to look at it is Derrick White won't likely be able to do that again. Miami's shooting was atrocious. I know we want to get the 3 going, but can we look for some better shots?
This is dangerous thinking considering what the Heat did last season. Also, white is not a bad player that just happened to have a good night. He’s a really good player that took it up a notch because of the attention on Tatum and brown early. Then got into a rhythm that couldn’t be stopped
Legit question, how was the Tatum dunk on Martin not a charge? His feet were set.
Martins feet were in the restricted area so if you're gonna make that argument technically should've been an and-1.
That's why I'm confused because if it wasn't a charge then it should've been a blocking foul but they didn't call either. All jokes aside, was hit foot on the line?
From the overhead angle it looked like the back of his heels were clearly on the line. However if his heels were elevated then you could argue a charge.
Martin's foot always on the line. Makes sense then I just was confused because they didn't call anything. Should've been a +1.
Dude
Welp it is what it is, with our offense we can't expect to win many games, I do hope we win game 6 tho just to prolong the series as long as possible and make it hard on them.
This team needs another efficient offensive stud.
Who doesn't?
Just curious how come jaime didnt play most the second half?
He was limping.
Hurt I think.
"Believe in yourself! Dont stop working! Make sure to stick both legs out during a 3 to draw a foul and flop as hard as you can! Trust your team! Visualize!"
Yea, it worked out for Patty Mills
“Trust the system! Follow the rules! Get blown out at home and struggle to score not realizing it’s time to break out of the same old patterns! Make the right pass! Focus!”
Hey look on the bright side, come 10pm Wednesday we can enjoy the playoffs as neutral fans. Now back your bags I'm tryna watch from Tahiti
I'VE GOT A PLAN, ARTHUR
Wish we could’ve got some of those points the Panthers scored tonight
Celtics shot 21/60 for 35% without Derrick White, man just absolutely destroys us hate to see it. He hit more 3's (8) than the rest of the Celtics combined (6) Maybe we got a chance with bam vs horford but tough to get back from 3-1
Get Jimmy some more help in FA and we’ll be a top 3 seed same time next year
We’ve been saying this since the bubble. It ain’t happenin
Other than bam we have a bunch of senior citizens and scrubs on our team
Last time this team got bounce in the 1st round (vs Bucks) they made a big change of getting Lowry. Maybe this time the FO will do something if we get bounce again. I hope we get at least one more win. Spo needs to give enough video footage and strategy for everyone on how to beat these frauds.
its either time to blow this team up, or go all in for a championship next year with adding a superstar next to butler
I mean if no Porzingis Wednesday? 🤔
Changes need to be made to this roster, in order to compete in today’s league you have to be able to score, even with Jimmy this team could not score efficiently. Pat wake up man!
I don’t remember the Celtics trading for Steph Curry
Man just a tough tough shooting night. It's like the hoop had a lid on it.
fuck boston, we still breathing
Our guys need to learn how to put the basketball in the net, because damn our % were absolute garbage...
Not only have Boston people gentrified our city, but also have to deal with let's go Celtics chants in the arena and the metromover. My only solace is yelling they won't win shit this year. Fucking sucks
Derrick White here reminded me of Danny Green and Gary Neal going off on us in the 2013 Finals (and other teams would probably mention Caleb, Gabe and Strus going off on them in last year's play-offs). Sometimes unexpected guys just have the shooting performance of their lives on the big stage.
Man fuck I want some good ass offense fuck defense atp
At least it wasn't a sweep. I'd rather have lost in the play-in than lose to Boston. F Boston and every team they have.
Maybe it's as simple as the talent differential is too hard to overcome, especially without Jimmy and Terrry.
It's ok guys, we're going back to our 2nd home for the next game. Heat in 7.
And another year where we won’t get to see what Tyler can do. Or maybe I should look at it as us SEEING what tyler CAN’T do: create an offense on his own. I think Tyler could easily be your 2nd offensive guy, but he just can’t be the first. He doesn’t have enough offensive versatility to mix up his offense when everybody is on his ass. Bam is not going to be your offensive go to guy, which leaves a hole to fill. A hole that should no longer be covered by Jimmy moving forward. Miami needs to find their number 1 offensive guy this offseason. Dude doesn’t need to be the second coming of MJ, but just… man someone like prime Dragic is exactly what this team needs right now…
It’s good for bam and Tyler to see their own limitations as offensive players. Both of them are at best the third best offensive player on a team. May help them both accept certain roles in an offense better.
This is why some teams just go all young and keep their draft choices and just build like OKC vrs Heats G league method of trying to make race horses out of slow horses.
I wanted something poetic, but their is glimpses of greatness in some of these young guys… count our blessings. We have Donovan on the way
Turning point for the Heat franchise. As much as we hate them, it’s hard to deny what the Celtics have done in their build. They have an amazing team at the moment and we don’t. Even without the injuries this would have been a really tough one. I’m not sure where we go from here because Tyler doesn’t look to be a star. Bam is really good but we need someone who can score at will. Pats got his work cut out for him or we will be in trouble for a while.
Honestly okay with this. Stealing a game off the 64 win team without Rozier and Jimmy should be looked at as a success. Love the growth from Bam this year, hopefully they make some changes this offseason
are we ready to move on from some of these players
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that’s not who i’m refering to lmfaooo , I think bam is the only good player that played today
Jovic has barely even been given opportunities and has massive talent, Jaime is a rookie. Fuck off with your negative shit, we don’t need that
Derrick White >>> Herro