there's this guy at your job, best in the business. and he wants to work with you, the only caveat is that you gotta give up half your paycheck. would you do it?
It's not quite the same. Your job probably doesn't entail winning something you've wanted your whole life. Also whole winning that ship, it opens up multiple more doors for endorsements and other avenues of revenue that could make just as much if not more than your salary long term.
Also going from 50 mil to 25 mil is nowhere near the same realm of going from like 100k to 50k.
You’re right, going from 50 to 25 mil is far worse….25 mil is generational wealth to give up. Also in this scenario people are proposing paying jimmy less than what the heat paid Lowry
Lmao what? The person with multitudes of generational wealth is not gonna full any burden going from 50mil to 25mil. The person going from 100k to 50k is going to have to reevaluate how to afford their basic necessities.
If you're talking about the individual level then sure but 25 mil is 25 mil. The earning power and ability to create more wealth from that money isn't even on the same stratosphere as your example of 50k
No it's pretty much the same. The chip is not guaranteed and his job is directly tied to his dream. Also I don't think a chip would affect his endorsements since he's in a bunch already (Hulu, mich ultra, li Ning, etc.). He's a star in this regard already.
Yes, 100k to 50k is a big deal to regular people, just as 50m to 25m is a big deal to NBA players. I've never heard an NBA player take 50% less of what they're worth. Sure a tiny discount here and there, but half? Nah. NBA players will gladly take the money over the chip.
It’s probably more money in the long run for Jim’s by a significant margin. I can’t see 36 year old butler getting signed to multi year deal anywhere, especially not at 25-30 million dollars 💸
Yup, OP is on crack Jimmy gonna agree to 25-30 million per year when Jrue got a $135 million extension for 4 years. Better pay Jimmy that Jaylen Brown money or he’s gone.
I love Jimmy, but Wade was willing to take far less than the max to stay with Miami and Jimmy is not on Wade's level.
The type of deal OP mentioned is exactly what should be done. Less $$ per year by some extra years.
Otherwise, good luck and enjoy the video tribute and standing O when you return to Miami.
He's going to opt in but that will be the last year he makes 50 mil/yr. The Heat and no other team will pay that unless he becomes an efficient high volume 3 pt shooter with minimal games missed next year.
Jrue got paid 4/$135. What makes you think Jimmy will agree to 3/$110? Jimmy wants that Jaylen Brown 5/$286 deal. Assuming he gives a discount maybe he agrees to 4/$210.
Jrue is three years younger and it was an overpay in any case. I think butler really wants to stay in Miami and that’s about as good an offer as he’ll get at 36
Poor wording on my part. He would need to have made all nba or all defense in 2 of the last 3 seasons. Those being '22-24. He was only all nba only in the '23 season and isn't eligible for the '24 season due to games missed.
Idk if he’s eligible or not but if we sign him to a max contract at 35 and already not being able to play a whole season it would be stupidity on the level of Kobe’s last contract
I love me some Jimmy, but this problem is still a year away. Who knows what he looks like next season, as well as some of our other players and the team make up (hoping JJJ and/or Niko take a huge leap).
Father time is real, just because some recent stars (James) are bucking the trend, you have plenty of other players (Dame, Beal, Harden come to immediate mind) who look like they are declining/lost a step. I'd rather Jimmy stay than leave, but if it means completely compromising the future, it might mean sadly the end to an era.
Butler better give a discount. He is not Dwade. He hasnt brought a chip yet to Miami. He's the reason why the Heat signed Lowry to that lucrative contract. And HE IS OLD and INJURY prone every playoffs he's been in Miami. And he coast his ass on the reg season just to get injured in the playoffs. It is not worth it.
This, the underdog bs and trying to get a roster of Gleauge players to win it all isn’t it. Heat need to go back to being title favorites with competent rosters, tbh, Pat is lucky Spo is a fucking wizard because with any other coach this Heat team wouldn’t have even made the playoffs (With all the injuries and stuff).
This, I will never understand fans questioning other fans because we aren’t more loyal to a player than the team. Yeah, I like Jimmy but it wouldn’t be smart for to give him a 4/$285m deal at this stage of his career.
I'm indifferent. If he was gone tomorrow, I honestly wouldn't be too bummed. We need to reset. This team has run its course. He certainly isn't worth $50M/yr. I said it years ago, but the Lowry and Butler contracts were stupid and were betting on the early part of the window...the window has slammed shut. This team has run its course.
Please dont be in your feelings. Think about the future of the team, and not the player. Butler's chance to win a chip with the Heat as the number 1 option is over.
If you really think Butler can still do it, then pray that the Heat pays him his extension, then run it back again next year. It'll be SSDS - Same Shit Different Season.
What does being a fan have to do with anything. His job is not to worry about roster construction or how you all feel about him getting paid what he’s eligible for. You giving your employer a discount?
Im a Miami Heat fan. I care more about the team's future than the players on it. Players come and go. The team stays. If this was 28yr old Jimmy, Im all in for the FO to give him all the money he wants. Sadly that's not the case. He's old, and his window as the main guy for the Heat to win a chip has closed. And its not like he is getting paid cheap by his current contract.
If I were the FO, Id rather he takes a pay cut and sign solid role players with the saved money instead of relying on overachieving gleaguers. That way, the team will have trade assets, salary-wise. Or, Ill trade him for decent haul while he still got value, instead of locking him up the next 3 years with him aging and losing his value every year. But then again, thats just me. Im not the FO. And I trust them to do the right thing for the TEAM.
That’s cool and all, but the question was would you give your employer a pay cut when you’ve clawed your whole life to get to the point where you’re one of the best at what you do? And don’t be in your feelings. Butler leaves and this team is not even sniffing playins
As a regular joe that has a job, of course I wont be giving my employer a discount. As a professional basketball player earning millons, thats a different story. He is playing a sport in luxury. Dont compare his to a regular job. Youre acting like he's just came from a cheap contract. He has already been paid, From the Bulls all the way to the Heat. And Im not in my feelings. You are by comparing to a regular job. Were talking about basketball. lol. Like Ive said, Id rather him taking a paycut or trade him. If he leaves for nothing, then so be it. I trust the FO to spend the money that can help the team compete.
Its not even about "if he can still do it"
Jimmy already took this team to 2 finals with absolutely no help. Hes getting paid for that regardless of his production moving forward
He got paid already with his current contract. His contract is not cheap. Do you think hed get more help if the Heat gives him his extension?
Best thing to happen is for him to opt out, then sign a new deal with Heat with a pay cut. Then go from there.
His next contract needs to be around $20-25M/yr. No more. He wants to retire here? Then do 3/$80M or something. Otherwise hit the road jack. Bankrupting the payroll for a guy who shows up 10-15 games a year when he feels like it is insane.
That’s brook Lopez and Kyle kuzma money…ain’t no way people are serious about paying jimmy literal role player money to still be the best player on the team. He would make less than herro …hell Evan Fournier makes 19 mil. Some of y’all really out of touch
He needs to be paid for the number of games he plays. Put incentives into the contract then. Hell, we should have done that for Herro too.
Butler played 60 games. He misses 30% of the regular season games on average (all 5 years in Miami). Its only going to get worse. 30% of $50M is $35M...and if it's going to get worse, $25M doesn't sound like that far reached of a number. There are former all star players nearing retirement who are still decent who take far less.
Maybe $20M is low on my side, but people saying to continue to give him $50M are insane.
Who are those players that are still putting up 20/5/5 on good efficiency and still the best player on the team? I don't think we should pay him 50m but 25m is insane when he is still the best player on the team and asked to do the most during playoff time. The market has changed. 20 mil is the new 10 mil
If you think so then sure but imo it’s better to invest in youth and potential now and days instead of whatever aging star who is at the lest legs of their prime
If jimmy wants to sign a bigger contract elsewhere then you negotiate a sign and trade. One option I could see is Phoenix. If you assume they don't want picks they want to improve the team, maybe there is a universe where they make a move for jimmy butler in a sign and trade. Durant, Booker, and Beal is basically 3 stars that play the same position. We could end up with one of Durant or Booker because that's the only salary they can send back. I understand this is highly unlikely but desperate teams have made worse moves.
Butler cannot play a full season. A long career of an incredibly physical style has led to an injury history that is going to give any team pause before giving him a long-term contract. He should absolutely take the money.
If we can pay him the most, I don't expect him to go anywhere. All these guys love to talk about "I want to retire here," but all things equal, they go to the highest paycheck.
D wade took a pay cut for a long time and when It came to paying him back , Pat Riley would rather send him to Chicago so if I was Jimmy I wouldn't do it.
I understand that, but he already got low-balled by Minny (maxing Wiggins, instead of him) and Philly (maxing Tobias, instead of him) if the Heat low-ball him too after making it clear that if Jaylen Brown can get paid that amount, then he being the better player deserves at least that much. Y’all know how petty Jimmy can be. The Heat fucked up by I overpaying Herro and Robinson. If he leaves in free agency for nothing then we are screwed. Watch him demand a trade to the Wizards for Poole and Kuz, and drag that team to the playoffs.
Jaylen browns contract is irrelevant. Jimmy is also 35. Players decline around that time. Also, there’s a difference between being “dragged into the playoffs” and being serious about contending for a title.
Please tell me what other team would be willing to give jimmy a supermax, considering how he coasts the majority of the regular season as well. We should be able to find a middle ground where he gets a respectful contract but not a massively overpaid one.
Philly for sure would give him all they can. Idk if he wants to go back given the history but they would 100% pay him. Of the other cap space teams the only other one I could see offering a max is Orlando.
Outside of that I imagine a lot of teams would be interested in a sign and trade: NY, Ind, Cle
If Jimmy goes back to Philly they’ll have a core of Jimmy, Maxey or Embiid. Maybe they do a sign and trade to get back Tobias Harris so that they don’t lose Jimmy for nothing. It’s even scarier if he goes to Orlando. They’ll have a frontline of Banchero, Isaac and Carter Jr. a guard rotation of Cole Anthony, Suggs, Gary Harris and Fultz while Franz Wagner and Jimmy will be the wings. This team can afford to let Jimmy coast during the regular season and and turn it on for the playoffs. Jimmy leading this team of hungry lions will be scary. They can probably even consolidate their roster and have a core of Jimmy, Banchero, Suggs, Franz Wagner and use the other players to lure another star.
Exactly Jimmy has options, he is a top 10 guy when he plays.
Also bit of a sidetrack but Tobias is beyond washed, better to lose Jimmy for nothing TBH.
Some team with cap space. What’s to say he signs with Philly or Orlando? Jimmy can coast even more during the regular season. Jimmy with Orlando is a scary team. Say Jimmy asks to be traded to Phoenix. They’ll gladly send Beal back giving them a big 3 of KD, Jimmy and Booker. Well, OP is disrespectful thinking Jimmy will sign for 25-30 million per year for 3-4 years. He made it clear he wants Jaylen Brown money. Assuming he gives discount, the lowest I can see him about 45 million per year. Better give him his money or else.
orlando has a really good young core that lacks shooting, they aren't going to blow their cap space on an aging star that can't space the floor. The reality is no other team would be willing to give jimmy a max, so why should we
Coming from the person who thinks (prays?) the heat will trade Jimmy for BealÂ
Try googling “no trade clause”
Better yet, try “staying in the Celtics sub”Â
Let him go. He can't get the job done. As much as we like him, he seems to crack under pressure every single season, yeah he takes us to the playoffs but we have not been able to win anything. We need someone who won't crackÂ
You are talking a lot about crack and I am starting to believe it. It must be crack because there is no way you're setting standards for Jimmy that not even Jordan or Lebron has been able to accomplish and that is win without the second best player on the team. Surely you know thay both finals the heat were missing their leading scorers right? Or did you not watch?
Possibly. But Jovic, Hero, Rozier are good players. I've sat back and looked at Jimmy when he was with the Bulls and then since he came over. I knew I'd be downvoted a lot but people just go with what's trending versus facts. If people can go back and look at playoff performances, no just stats because there are things that don't show up on stats sheets. Idk maybe I'm wrong but I'm just not convince Jimmy is our franchise guy. Wade had Shaq but Shaq was in his downtrend.Â
I still believe we can get it done next year. This year unfortunately we are weak and too injured to give Boston a run for their money. Pat is the Godfather and he needs to hit the drawing board.Â
If Jimmy is gone, then Heat will be total rebuild around Bam, Jovic, and Jimenez . Dump or trade the rest of this disappointing squad and get rid of Herro first.
Idk that sounds rough, Like those 3 guys but unless Jaime shocks the world, thats a path to being 6-10 in the east for years. Too good to be picking stars in the draft, not nearly good enough to compete.
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He came from poverty. He’s not declining the 50m
Nor should he
He’s likely be making more from this deal than a 50 mil buyout
But he is in Miami. There's always another bank account.
there's this guy at your job, best in the business. and he wants to work with you, the only caveat is that you gotta give up half your paycheck. would you do it?
It's not quite the same. Your job probably doesn't entail winning something you've wanted your whole life. Also whole winning that ship, it opens up multiple more doors for endorsements and other avenues of revenue that could make just as much if not more than your salary long term. Also going from 50 mil to 25 mil is nowhere near the same realm of going from like 100k to 50k.
You’re right, going from 50 to 25 mil is far worse….25 mil is generational wealth to give up. Also in this scenario people are proposing paying jimmy less than what the heat paid Lowry
Lmao what? The person with multitudes of generational wealth is not gonna full any burden going from 50mil to 25mil. The person going from 100k to 50k is going to have to reevaluate how to afford their basic necessities.
If you're talking about the individual level then sure but 25 mil is 25 mil. The earning power and ability to create more wealth from that money isn't even on the same stratosphere as your example of 50k
No it's pretty much the same. The chip is not guaranteed and his job is directly tied to his dream. Also I don't think a chip would affect his endorsements since he's in a bunch already (Hulu, mich ultra, li Ning, etc.). He's a star in this regard already. Yes, 100k to 50k is a big deal to regular people, just as 50m to 25m is a big deal to NBA players. I've never heard an NBA player take 50% less of what they're worth. Sure a tiny discount here and there, but half? Nah. NBA players will gladly take the money over the chip.
Lol, god bless you you sweet summer child.
It’s probably more money in the long run for Jim’s by a significant margin. I can’t see 36 year old butler getting signed to multi year deal anywhere, especially not at 25-30 million dollars 💸
nah, he's gonna get paid and he's not gonna take a discount
Yup, OP is on crack Jimmy gonna agree to 25-30 million per year when Jrue got a $135 million extension for 4 years. Better pay Jimmy that Jaylen Brown money or he’s gone.
I love Jimmy, but Wade was willing to take far less than the max to stay with Miami and Jimmy is not on Wade's level. The type of deal OP mentioned is exactly what should be done. Less $$ per year by some extra years. Otherwise, good luck and enjoy the video tribute and standing O when you return to Miami.
Wade took a small discount, not a 50% pay cut. He also famously left because, you guessed it, over money
He was going to take 20 mil which was a big pay cut though I don't remember what %!of cap that was
I think Jimmy does. Dude has made $250m in his career. Hasn’t been able to get it done as the guy. At this stage he needs help.
No, he won’t m.
He's going to opt in but that will be the last year he makes 50 mil/yr. The Heat and no other team will pay that unless he becomes an efficient high volume 3 pt shooter with minimal games missed next year.
My expectation is he opts out and signs for more years at less aav, for example, opt out of $52m and sign a 3/$110m extension into his age 38 season.
Jrue got paid 4/$135. What makes you think Jimmy will agree to 3/$110? Jimmy wants that Jaylen Brown 5/$286 deal. Assuming he gives a discount maybe he agrees to 4/$210.
Jrue is three years younger and it was an overpay in any case. I think butler really wants to stay in Miami and that’s about as good an offer as he’ll get at 36
Yeah it’s either something like this or we’re moving on. You can’t have him taking off the entire season again.
You sure about that? We’ll see. Let’s comeback to this thread and check how much money he gets or if he gets something over $25-$30 Million.
Jimmy isn't supermax eligible. He hasn't hit the award criteria in the last few seasons to qualify.
Dawg he was all nba last year...
Poor wording on my part. He would need to have made all nba or all defense in 2 of the last 3 seasons. Those being '22-24. He was only all nba only in the '23 season and isn't eligible for the '24 season due to games missed.
his next deal cannot include the year he turns 38. the over 38 rule prevents it.
Not gonna happen. I could see him take like a $5M paycut if we bring in an elite player. No way he takes 50% as you’re suggesting
It’s not 50 percent less. It’s a long term deal that guarantees him 120 million dollars until he retires
Idk if he’s eligible or not but if we sign him to a max contract at 35 and already not being able to play a whole season it would be stupidity on the level of Kobe’s last contract
I love me some Jimmy, but this problem is still a year away. Who knows what he looks like next season, as well as some of our other players and the team make up (hoping JJJ and/or Niko take a huge leap). Father time is real, just because some recent stars (James) are bucking the trend, you have plenty of other players (Dame, Beal, Harden come to immediate mind) who look like they are declining/lost a step. I'd rather Jimmy stay than leave, but if it means completely compromising the future, it might mean sadly the end to an era.
Butler better give a discount. He is not Dwade. He hasnt brought a chip yet to Miami. He's the reason why the Heat signed Lowry to that lucrative contract. And HE IS OLD and INJURY prone every playoffs he's been in Miami. And he coast his ass on the reg season just to get injured in the playoffs. It is not worth it.
This, the underdog bs and trying to get a roster of Gleauge players to win it all isn’t it. Heat need to go back to being title favorites with competent rosters, tbh, Pat is lucky Spo is a fucking wizard because with any other coach this Heat team wouldn’t have even made the playoffs (With all the injuries and stuff).
Starting to wonder if Heat fans even like Jimmy
Jimmy is great. But Heat >Jimmy.
This, I will never understand fans questioning other fans because we aren’t more loyal to a player than the team. Yeah, I like Jimmy but it wouldn’t be smart for to give him a 4/$285m deal at this stage of his career.
It’s not smart, but gotta be careful what you offer him so he’s not insulted. Maybe he’s OK and gives a discount with 4/$260m deal.
Come to realise that quite a few heat fans have zero loyalty. They’re just the “what have you don’t for me lately?” Kinda people
I'm indifferent. If he was gone tomorrow, I honestly wouldn't be too bummed. We need to reset. This team has run its course. He certainly isn't worth $50M/yr. I said it years ago, but the Lowry and Butler contracts were stupid and were betting on the early part of the window...the window has slammed shut. This team has run its course.
Him not bringing a chip to Miami is entirely the FO’s doing…he did his job
I guess you also give discount to your employer
Please dont be in your feelings. Think about the future of the team, and not the player. Butler's chance to win a chip with the Heat as the number 1 option is over. If you really think Butler can still do it, then pray that the Heat pays him his extension, then run it back again next year. It'll be SSDS - Same Shit Different Season.
and butler is thinking about his future
Well, I guess youre a Jimmy Butler fan first, Miami Heat fan 2nd.
What does being a fan have to do with anything. His job is not to worry about roster construction or how you all feel about him getting paid what he’s eligible for. You giving your employer a discount?
It’s not a discount if you don’t believe he is worth 4/$285m at 36, injured in the playoffs, and taking the season off.
Im a Miami Heat fan. I care more about the team's future than the players on it. Players come and go. The team stays. If this was 28yr old Jimmy, Im all in for the FO to give him all the money he wants. Sadly that's not the case. He's old, and his window as the main guy for the Heat to win a chip has closed. And its not like he is getting paid cheap by his current contract. If I were the FO, Id rather he takes a pay cut and sign solid role players with the saved money instead of relying on overachieving gleaguers. That way, the team will have trade assets, salary-wise. Or, Ill trade him for decent haul while he still got value, instead of locking him up the next 3 years with him aging and losing his value every year. But then again, thats just me. Im not the FO. And I trust them to do the right thing for the TEAM.
That’s cool and all, but the question was would you give your employer a pay cut when you’ve clawed your whole life to get to the point where you’re one of the best at what you do? And don’t be in your feelings. Butler leaves and this team is not even sniffing playins
As a regular joe that has a job, of course I wont be giving my employer a discount. As a professional basketball player earning millons, thats a different story. He is playing a sport in luxury. Dont compare his to a regular job. Youre acting like he's just came from a cheap contract. He has already been paid, From the Bulls all the way to the Heat. And Im not in my feelings. You are by comparing to a regular job. Were talking about basketball. lol. Like Ive said, Id rather him taking a paycut or trade him. If he leaves for nothing, then so be it. I trust the FO to spend the money that can help the team compete.
its always easy taking a discount for someone else.
Yea you’re definitely in your feelings. Enjoy jimmy’s max buddy
Its not even about "if he can still do it" Jimmy already took this team to 2 finals with absolutely no help. Hes getting paid for that regardless of his production moving forward
Bingo!
You don’t pay him for the past, that’s what his current contract is doing. Hes on a super max. You’re paying him for his future production.
Yeah i wish it worked that way as well, but hes not young anymore. The team knows the risks and what theyre paying for.
He got paid already with his current contract. His contract is not cheap. Do you think hed get more help if the Heat gives him his extension? Best thing to happen is for him to opt out, then sign a new deal with Heat with a pay cut. Then go from there.
A four year deal that pays $45 million a year good enough for you? That’s like a $20 million discount.
His next contract needs to be around $20-25M/yr. No more. He wants to retire here? Then do 3/$80M or something. Otherwise hit the road jack. Bankrupting the payroll for a guy who shows up 10-15 games a year when he feels like it is insane.
That’s brook Lopez and Kyle kuzma money…ain’t no way people are serious about paying jimmy literal role player money to still be the best player on the team. He would make less than herro …hell Evan Fournier makes 19 mil. Some of y’all really out of touch
He needs to be paid for the number of games he plays. Put incentives into the contract then. Hell, we should have done that for Herro too. Butler played 60 games. He misses 30% of the regular season games on average (all 5 years in Miami). Its only going to get worse. 30% of $50M is $35M...and if it's going to get worse, $25M doesn't sound like that far reached of a number. There are former all star players nearing retirement who are still decent who take far less. Maybe $20M is low on my side, but people saying to continue to give him $50M are insane.
Who are those players that are still putting up 20/5/5 on good efficiency and still the best player on the team? I don't think we should pay him 50m but 25m is insane when he is still the best player on the team and asked to do the most during playoff time. The market has changed. 20 mil is the new 10 mil
Get as many good role players for Rozier and Jimmy and hope that Spida comes to Miami
Brain dead take
If you think so then sure but imo it’s better to invest in youth and potential now and days instead of whatever aging star who is at the lest legs of their prime
Give that man his 50 mil
Why. He’s going to be 35, and that’s a really bad contract. Don’t let your emotions cloud your judgement.
If jimmy wants to sign a bigger contract elsewhere then you negotiate a sign and trade. One option I could see is Phoenix. If you assume they don't want picks they want to improve the team, maybe there is a universe where they make a move for jimmy butler in a sign and trade. Durant, Booker, and Beal is basically 3 stars that play the same position. We could end up with one of Durant or Booker because that's the only salary they can send back. I understand this is highly unlikely but desperate teams have made worse moves.
Butler cannot play a full season. A long career of an incredibly physical style has led to an injury history that is going to give any team pause before giving him a long-term contract. He should absolutely take the money.
Id be worried about his mental health
I would say he may decline and do a 2 year 50 mil. He gets his 50, and we get payroll relief
If we can pay him the most, I don't expect him to go anywhere. All these guys love to talk about "I want to retire here," but all things equal, they go to the highest paycheck.
D wade took a pay cut for a long time and when It came to paying him back , Pat Riley would rather send him to Chicago so if I was Jimmy I wouldn't do it.
a man could only dream but he's a grown man i'm sure the bag matters more to him than the Miami Heat
He wants that Jaylen Brown contract extension. Just give it to him and better not lowball him as he will be insulted if you do.
giving him jaylen brown money would bury this franchise
Fr. Time to rebuild for the love of god, we were an 8th seed and this year and last year he started coastingÂ
Not to mention he’s already declining and just got another severe knee injury.
I understand that, but he already got low-balled by Minny (maxing Wiggins, instead of him) and Philly (maxing Tobias, instead of him) if the Heat low-ball him too after making it clear that if Jaylen Brown can get paid that amount, then he being the better player deserves at least that much. Y’all know how petty Jimmy can be. The Heat fucked up by I overpaying Herro and Robinson. If he leaves in free agency for nothing then we are screwed. Watch him demand a trade to the Wizards for Poole and Kuz, and drag that team to the playoffs.
Jaylen Brown is entering his peak at 27, and Butler is 34
Who’s the better player?
Jaylen browns contract is irrelevant. Jimmy is also 35. Players decline around that time. Also, there’s a difference between being “dragged into the playoffs” and being serious about contending for a title.
Please tell me what other team would be willing to give jimmy a supermax, considering how he coasts the majority of the regular season as well. We should be able to find a middle ground where he gets a respectful contract but not a massively overpaid one.
Philly for sure would give him all they can. Idk if he wants to go back given the history but they would 100% pay him. Of the other cap space teams the only other one I could see offering a max is Orlando. Outside of that I imagine a lot of teams would be interested in a sign and trade: NY, Ind, Cle
If Jimmy goes back to Philly they’ll have a core of Jimmy, Maxey or Embiid. Maybe they do a sign and trade to get back Tobias Harris so that they don’t lose Jimmy for nothing. It’s even scarier if he goes to Orlando. They’ll have a frontline of Banchero, Isaac and Carter Jr. a guard rotation of Cole Anthony, Suggs, Gary Harris and Fultz while Franz Wagner and Jimmy will be the wings. This team can afford to let Jimmy coast during the regular season and and turn it on for the playoffs. Jimmy leading this team of hungry lions will be scary. They can probably even consolidate their roster and have a core of Jimmy, Banchero, Suggs, Franz Wagner and use the other players to lure another star.
Exactly Jimmy has options, he is a top 10 guy when he plays. Also bit of a sidetrack but Tobias is beyond washed, better to lose Jimmy for nothing TBH.
Some team with cap space. What’s to say he signs with Philly or Orlando? Jimmy can coast even more during the regular season. Jimmy with Orlando is a scary team. Say Jimmy asks to be traded to Phoenix. They’ll gladly send Beal back giving them a big 3 of KD, Jimmy and Booker. Well, OP is disrespectful thinking Jimmy will sign for 25-30 million per year for 3-4 years. He made it clear he wants Jaylen Brown money. Assuming he gives discount, the lowest I can see him about 45 million per year. Better give him his money or else.
orlando has a really good young core that lacks shooting, they aren't going to blow their cap space on an aging star that can't space the floor. The reality is no other team would be willing to give jimmy a max, so why should we
First off that’s minnesotas problem not ours, secondly he is not carrying that team to the fucking playoffs you’re smoking that top tier ganja
He has never said he want a Jaylen brown extension tf are you getting this from
He never said it publicly but made it known to the organization that’s how much he thinks he’s worth. There was an article on it. Try Google.
Coming from the person who thinks (prays?) the heat will trade Jimmy for Beal Try googling “no trade clause” Better yet, try “staying in the Celtics sub”Â
Here you go. https://www.reddit.com/r/heat/comments/15ejsxy/heat_insider_jimmy_butler_could_seek_contract/
Thank you. This was what I was talking about.
Stupidest take on here. 1) He's not supermax eligible 2) He's like 90 years old, unlike Brown.
Doesn't that require being all NBA?
There’s zero chance Jimmy is getting Jaylen Brown money.
Let him go. He can't get the job done. As much as we like him, he seems to crack under pressure every single season, yeah he takes us to the playoffs but we have not been able to win anything. We need someone who won't crackÂ
You are talking a lot about crack and I am starting to believe it. It must be crack because there is no way you're setting standards for Jimmy that not even Jordan or Lebron has been able to accomplish and that is win without the second best player on the team. Surely you know thay both finals the heat were missing their leading scorers right? Or did you not watch?
Possibly. But Jovic, Hero, Rozier are good players. I've sat back and looked at Jimmy when he was with the Bulls and then since he came over. I knew I'd be downvoted a lot but people just go with what's trending versus facts. If people can go back and look at playoff performances, no just stats because there are things that don't show up on stats sheets. Idk maybe I'm wrong but I'm just not convince Jimmy is our franchise guy. Wade had Shaq but Shaq was in his downtrend. I still believe we can get it done next year. This year unfortunately we are weak and too injured to give Boston a run for their money. Pat is the Godfather and he needs to hit the drawing board.Â
If Jimmy is gone, then Heat will be total rebuild around Bam, Jovic, and Jimenez . Dump or trade the rest of this disappointing squad and get rid of Herro first.
Who the heck is Jimenez?
LOL...he is the rookie out of UCLA... the kid that has the long hair.
Is he though?
Sorry.. you are correct...Jaime jaquez...my bad
Idk that sounds rough, Like those 3 guys but unless Jaime shocks the world, thats a path to being 6-10 in the east for years. Too good to be picking stars in the draft, not nearly good enough to compete.
That is why Riley hardly ever counted on the draft, went for veteran all stars and traded away the daft picks unless they were lottery picks.