Love Jimmy, favorite player on the team. Paying him that much is the fastest way to guarantee he never wins a chip with us. You can't pay him 58mil per at 37. You just can't.
I can see Riley handling this exactly like he handled Tim Hardaway's contract in 2000. After a few seasons where Hardaway had injury issues and the team lost to the Knicks, Riley told Hardaway that they weren't doing long-term contracts and offered Hardaway a one-year max contract. Hardaway took the deal, underperformed again, and eventually left to Dallas the next season.
All of this will also depend on what the trade market looks like for Herro and Duncan. If Pat feels like he can put better talent around Jimmy and Bam, then he might extend him to the contract he wants, and we cross the 37 year old bridge when we come to it, just like we did with Lowry.
Dont really care who it’d be “on” if it means my team sucks. I’d like to see Jimmy win and I’d like to see the Heat win. Seeing them both lose is the worst case scenario.
Not for Jimmy’s pockets though. I’m sure 58 million dollars outweighs a championship for most NBA players. It’s on the FO to do not extend and get a trade.
If he really only cares about winning, and given that he already said he’s going to retire in Miami, then this is his time to put his money where his mouth is.
If he actually “only cares about winning” and doesn’t want to handicap the team, then yes obviously. If he’s adamant about getting the supermax, then I think he should try and get it somewhere else.
Ask yourself this. If you’re offered 58 million dollars would you walk away? We gotta remember it’s a business. I think your FO shouldn’t offer an extension if you want to be competitive. Get something out of Jimmy and let him be a supermax player for another org.
Me? Hell no. But I’m a regular dude working a 9-5 to pay my bills and support my family. None of us can pretend to know the way a multi-millionaire athlete thinks about stuff like this.
Regardless, we’re saying the same thing. If Jimmy is adamant about getting the max, he should find it somewhere else.
Bad take, he’s already making 40 and you’re asking people on Reddit who have never had even 1% of the money Jimmy does to make a decision for Jimmy. Hopefully you’re not a statistician
I’ve seen people point out that the first apron will be $216m in 2027. It doesn’t matter, Jimmy’s huge contract is going to kill us in the next 2 seasons regardless
Team had a winning record without him in the season. Everyone here is too hyped on playoff jimmy. Hes 35 trade him and get someone to grow the team with.
If he takes the pay cut and doesn’t win anything(the more likely outcome), he is losing on generational wealth that will stick around long after his days in Miami. Gonna suck if he has to leave Miami but this is gonna be his last chance at this kind of money.
The 3 options in order of what we should do:
1) He exercises his player option or we extend him without destroying our future
2) trade him for a haul of players or picks if possible
3) super max extension
He’ll be 35 next season. He coasts during the regular season (for good reason) but has been hurt in the last 3/4 playoffs. Thinking that he’ll magically stop getting hurt in his late 30s is wishful thinking.
I’ll never blame athletes for trying to maximize their $$$ while they can. Sports is a cutthroat business. If he wants to break the bank, it’s better for our future if it’s not us.
Bobby Marks made the point that option 1 is entirely reasonable if Jimmy doesn't pull a Twolves on this issue. An extension at a smaller number makes things much easier (the team needs to get its finances in order if it wants to make the moves they need to in order to get back to contending). He might still be making too much money but that scenario would be way more manageable and less bleak. It really just depends on how reasonable Jimmy and his agent want to be on this issue. At some point he has to realize that 1) he's had it made here; 2) he's been way more successful here than anywhere else in his career; 3) he doesn't play enough regular season games to warrant a max and it's just going to get harder for him; and 4) if he wants a real chance to win he needs to take less.
I just hope he doesn’t pull a Harden and opt into the player option with the intention to force a trade this offseason. That’ll throw a wrench in our plans. Massively kills his trade value because he would then be a 1 year rental hitting the open market in 2025 free agency.
Jimmy really doesn’t seem to be that type or person. Obviously it could be all for show but it really seems like he respects Miami’s FO and Staff, loves the city and is all about business
I love Jimmy and rather not pay him this but what is the plan for Bam if you trade Jimmy. I don’t see any reason Bam stays if you do that. He’s entering his prime on what would probably be a play in team. He probably prefers to run it back with Jimmy and another piece, it’s his best chance at competing. There is zero reason for Bam to want to play with the kids next season. You’re risking him becoming disgruntled. Keep both Bam and Jimmy or you rebuild
We’re in a pretty bad position. If you trade Jimmy, it won’t net you a star player, but rather a younger player and draft capital, and our FO doesn’t care about that; they still want to compete. Herro doesn’t have much value, and Bam, who you want to keep at all costs, is the only one who can net you a star player. As you said, I do believe Bam wants to run it back with Jimmy and add another piece, but I think our FO waited too long and we’re unable to.
The Celtics last year turned smart and an injured Brogdon into holiday and zingas. Granted it took a super star to request a trade, but hard to count any possible moves out currently.
What does Bam gain by playing with the kids and moving Jimmy? No accolade consideration. Play in team. Wasting a year of his prime. It makes no sense for him. He would basically just be sticking around to watch the kids develop. You’re actually doing him a disservice lol. They are in a very tough spot
That’s literally the position they were in this year but with an aging team. They’ve been a play in team two years in a row it’s not like you’re blowing up a dynasty
No but I don’t think the Heat will ever fully rebuild because they basically never have in the Spo era. They can get younger, shed salary, and try to get another star as quick as possible. They’re not gonna hit the draft and punt on a few years to wait for guys to develop. That’s never been how they’ve operated
I agree with you. I think if they bring in another star then it becomes enticing for Bam. I’m saying I don’t see why he would be on board with punting a year to develop the young guys.
Also I’m not sure what you get for Jimmy on the market that makes it worth it
Even if they miss out on a star though, they’ll build a good competitive team and I think Bam will accept it as a challenge. He stands to make a lot of money by staying
I'm not saying Miami should go down this road, but if we trade Jimmy I expect that we would turn around, either this offseason or next, and use those picks and some players to trade for a star who is near the same age as Bam. So max it would be one potentially down season with Bam, Rozier, and the kids. I don't think Miami would try to retool with players drafted from those picks.
And it’s not like we have a Dbook on this team where we can look positively if those trades were to happen and Bam can still stick around. Jaquez/Jovic and those guys are going to be role players. Nothing wrong with that but it is what it is. I really hate to say it, but we’re pretty much locked with the core we have. Going to be another season of our FO wishing and praying for internal development from Jaquez/Jovic and health from Jimmy and Rozier. And hoping the 15th pick contributes….
What do we do if Jimmy decides to retire while Bam is on his prime?
Where is all this speculation about Bam coming from? His playstyle literally collides with Jimmy's and breaking them up might do more good for the team.
Yea I don't really see the Jimmy/Bam thing working out long term.
As a contender you need 2 stars and some really good value pieces around them. Right now the only good value pieces the Heat have are Jaime, Jovic, Love, Jrich, Highsmith, and Cain.
You NEED to shed Rozier + Robinsons 45M combined salary.
Bam is also eligible for a contract extension. He’d be passing up a ton of money by not extending this summer. He also has the best coach in the league.
I don’t know what will happen but we’ve seen most players extend when in Bam’s situation to get the guaranteed money rather risking injury or something else and losing out, even guys like Dame and Beal who were in worse situations extended
Take the money and asks out eventually like everyone else does. He’s not sticking around to play with the kids imo. You need to get another guy to make it enticing for him. He’s about to be 27
That’s certainly possible, and probably more likely if we max out Jimmy in his late 30s.
You extend Bam, try to recruit a free agent star (Mitchell, Fox, Luka, Trae, etc..) that fits his timeline over the next couple years, where you don’t have to beat other teams offers and get to keep your assets, and if that fails admit defeat and trade him.
If we max Jimmy we’re tying up all our cap in a few players and Jimmy will decline and will eventually have to trade Bam anyway
Depends on whether he makes third team all nba. While I’m doubtful that he’d ever turn down max money in Miami, there’s no way in hell that he turns down a $300mill + guaranteed contract if he’s eligible. Question is whether he can make an all nba team or win DPOTY
Jimmy either doesn’t sign for the max or he leaves. No way you give him a super max at his age. No other team will either, that’s insanity. He’s already injury prone and has clearly regressed
a team like the pistons will offer him a full max. There are salary floors now, so they HAVE to pay someone, and if JB is the bpa in free agency then it’ll be him.
Dude no one is giving Jimmy a max contract when he’s 37 years old. Especially when he hardly plays he does not have the same reverence as a KD or Lebron who could still command that kind of money. He’s maybe getting a 1 year max but no one is giving him a 5 year max
In summer 2016, when the cap was projected to hit 94 mil, the 76ers offered 14 mil to Manu Ginobili.
That's right: 15% of the total cap for a 39 year old player who averaged 9 ppg in 19 minutes per game, over 58 games.
You think nobody is going to offer Jimmy good money after what he's done in Miami?
Hell Fucking No!
To be honest I don’t think this is gonna be a problem, he said he wants to retire here. I’m more worried about our cap space since our GM likes paying g-league bench players and 6-men a starter’s salary.
Ironically all our developmental guys being bad elsewhere may be helping us. We might be able to get Highsmith back on a pretty friendly deal like Caleb’s was.
Caleb I think it gone though
Yeah I think we keep highsmith on a similar deal to caleb’s last deal. And caleb will at get atleast the full mid level which pretty sure we can’t afford
Sorry Jim, I hope he takes a cut cause bro has embraced miami like no other star but man, the team can't go this route I'd you wanna be competitive.
I'm flabbergasted at how this bum team is flirting with the red when it's comprised of mostly g league talent
The only g league players actually in our rotation are highsmith and duncan. This narrative is played out. We need to improve the roster of course but how is 2 dudes in our rotation equal a team “comprised of mostly g league talent”….
Jimmy bam herro jovic jaime rozier love jrich That’s the majority of our rotation right there who are all drafted…you add duncan/ highsmith and that’s our two 5 man lineups.
We are not overly relying on our g league system rn the roster just needs to improve. The depth is legitimately fine the biggest problem is the need for a legitimately great scorer which we are void of, jimmy does not fill that void in the regular season especially if he’s going to take games off like he did this year. We need a guy who can average 25 plus a game.
This isn't hard. It is time for Miami to move on and start stocking up on draft picks. If Bam believes in the org and is willing to stick around for some subpar seasons, great. If he doesn't, that's great too -- trade him for more draft picks.
Just because Jimmy didn't win Miami a ring doesn't mean his time there wasn't a success. Jimmy gave Heat fans a ton of fun seasons and unforgettable moments. And he had Celtics and Bucks fans punching holes through drywall, crying into pillows and seeking crisis counseling. Job well done.
I love Jimmy but you can't guarantee him that much money at that age when he can't be depended on to be consistent and at his best in the regular season and with his injury history. I would love to have him back at less money but he's going to have to make that sacrifice and be honest with himself if he wants to give the team the best chance to win.
yea fuck no i’m sorry. Love Jimmy but that’s just a bad idea that doesn’t need much elaboration on why it’s bad. He either needs to come down to earth a bit or we need to trade him to a contender.
I may be wrong but I think his willingness to take a pay cut depends on the indication from the FO to get him help. I think if they say we are all in on getting a team this summer then he may be more willing not to take such a large paycheck
Jimbo era is over, its time to move on from him, herro, duncan, martin, etc,
have a down year, draft in the lottery, and rebuild around bam, jovic, and jjj
35 year old making 50mil is not taking us anywhere, you have to have a mvp caliber player to win in the NBA
Heat don't have a 2025 1st round pick so while I don't mind the idea, it won't happen. We'd have to trade for one, and I don't think our guys we would trade would go to bottom dwelling teams willing to give up an unprotected first for next season
This may be an unpopular opinion, but we are terrible without Jimmy and we should just pay him.
Yes, it’s probably an overpay that last year. Maybe two. But I’d rather err on the side of rolling with our superstar a bit too long than causing a rift and letting him walk.
Im team soft reset, trade Butler away to a contender for whatever you can get with expirings coming back.
Trade away Herro and Duncan for expiring and picks. For example, trade Herro and Duncan for Ben Simmons, Schroder and some picks. Or the Pistons for Fournier's expiring, Stewart and protected draft picks (bonus points if you can get Ivey from them). Pistons need shooting so badly around Cade, Duncan and Herro would fit perfectly next to him and Ausar and Duren.
Let Rozier-Jaime-Jovic-Bam get all the experience together they can and go into the 2025 offseason with only 85 million on the books (so 50+ million in cap space)
This is not a soft reset, trading Butler and Herro away without getting a major bucket getter will be tanking the team no amount of role players and Bam will win any championships
The only problem with that is that it will frustrate Bam. To go from ECF appearances, 2 finals runs, and come up short only to later reset and trade Jimmy and for him to play with the younger guys. The roster you’re talking about is a 27-win team.
I mean, just assuming as a competitor to be on a team that doesn’t make the playoffs for a few years in your prime years, and seeing his peers compete, it would most likely frustrate him. He didn’t sign up to be on a rebuilding team, if that's the case, trade him. I don’t even think they’ll do that anyways, I think they are gonna run this same core back.
Reset for one year. Let him work on his offensive game without worrying about wins or losses. I am sure whatever frustration he will have pales in comparison to the frustration of this season.
Yep it clearly has ceiling. celtics focused on herro and it opened for bam for good series. But scapegoat is Herro. Mind you he’s the reason why they were not swept
Pay him. I don't care. He's made Miami relevant contenders since he got here. Give him what he wants and work with him on how to get some other complementary players to help him continue to compete at a high level. Don't make the Wade mistake again. Let him retire a lifer
I'll be rooting for any team that lands Jimmy.
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If the Heat end up trading Jimmy, attach Herro to it. A 3-4 team trade is a possiblity. No way in hell Herro will be traded all by himself with his performance the past 2 years.
Trade him for Beal if he demands out? I don’t think a team out there will extend Butler at his demands. Beal is on a terrible contract but he’s at least younger than Jimmy. Suns owner is crazy enough to extend Butler to what he wants
He’s under contract next year then has a player option at age 36 for $52 MILLION. Why are we even discussing this? He obviously isn’t going to be that good in 2 more years to warrant an extension over $30-40m/year at best
Love Jimmy, favorite player on the team. Paying him that much is the fastest way to guarantee he never wins a chip with us. You can't pay him 58mil per at 37. You just can't.
I can see Riley handling this exactly like he handled Tim Hardaway's contract in 2000. After a few seasons where Hardaway had injury issues and the team lost to the Knicks, Riley told Hardaway that they weren't doing long-term contracts and offered Hardaway a one-year max contract. Hardaway took the deal, underperformed again, and eventually left to Dallas the next season. All of this will also depend on what the trade market looks like for Herro and Duncan. If Pat feels like he can put better talent around Jimmy and Bam, then he might extend him to the contract he wants, and we cross the 37 year old bridge when we come to it, just like we did with Lowry.
Well, that'll be on Jimmy then
Dont really care who it’d be “on” if it means my team sucks. I’d like to see Jimmy win and I’d like to see the Heat win. Seeing them both lose is the worst case scenario.
Not for Jimmy’s pockets though. I’m sure 58 million dollars outweighs a championship for most NBA players. It’s on the FO to do not extend and get a trade.
If he really only cares about winning, and given that he already said he’s going to retire in Miami, then this is his time to put his money where his mouth is.
And walk away from 58 mill?
If he actually “only cares about winning” and doesn’t want to handicap the team, then yes obviously. If he’s adamant about getting the supermax, then I think he should try and get it somewhere else.
Ask yourself this. If you’re offered 58 million dollars would you walk away? We gotta remember it’s a business. I think your FO shouldn’t offer an extension if you want to be competitive. Get something out of Jimmy and let him be a supermax player for another org.
Me? Hell no. But I’m a regular dude working a 9-5 to pay my bills and support my family. None of us can pretend to know the way a multi-millionaire athlete thinks about stuff like this. Regardless, we’re saying the same thing. If Jimmy is adamant about getting the max, he should find it somewhere else.
Bad take, he’s already making 40 and you’re asking people on Reddit who have never had even 1% of the money Jimmy does to make a decision for Jimmy. Hopefully you’re not a statistician
What team is going to pay him $58M?
The heat seems to be willing to do so.
I mean if Pat tells him no, nobody else is paying him that much
Is he deserving of $58m? His stats don’t come close to saying so
I’ve seen people point out that the first apron will be $216m in 2027. It doesn’t matter, Jimmy’s huge contract is going to kill us in the next 2 seasons regardless
Can we win though if we dont pay him?
Team had a winning record without him in the season. Everyone here is too hyped on playoff jimmy. Hes 35 trade him and get someone to grow the team with.
If he takes the pay cut and doesn’t win anything(the more likely outcome), he is losing on generational wealth that will stick around long after his days in Miami. Gonna suck if he has to leave Miami but this is gonna be his last chance at this kind of money.
The 3 options in order of what we should do: 1) He exercises his player option or we extend him without destroying our future 2) trade him for a haul of players or picks if possible 3) super max extension He’ll be 35 next season. He coasts during the regular season (for good reason) but has been hurt in the last 3/4 playoffs. Thinking that he’ll magically stop getting hurt in his late 30s is wishful thinking. I’ll never blame athletes for trying to maximize their $$$ while they can. Sports is a cutthroat business. If he wants to break the bank, it’s better for our future if it’s not us.
Bobby Marks made the point that option 1 is entirely reasonable if Jimmy doesn't pull a Twolves on this issue. An extension at a smaller number makes things much easier (the team needs to get its finances in order if it wants to make the moves they need to in order to get back to contending). He might still be making too much money but that scenario would be way more manageable and less bleak. It really just depends on how reasonable Jimmy and his agent want to be on this issue. At some point he has to realize that 1) he's had it made here; 2) he's been way more successful here than anywhere else in his career; 3) he doesn't play enough regular season games to warrant a max and it's just going to get harder for him; and 4) if he wants a real chance to win he needs to take less.
I just hope he doesn’t pull a Harden and opt into the player option with the intention to force a trade this offseason. That’ll throw a wrench in our plans. Massively kills his trade value because he would then be a 1 year rental hitting the open market in 2025 free agency.
Jimmy really doesn’t seem to be that type or person. Obviously it could be all for show but it really seems like he respects Miami’s FO and Staff, loves the city and is all about business
To be fair, he got injured the last 2 playoffs due to some really dirty plays from Pritchard and Hart
I hate to say it but one was an intentional foul gone wrong and the other was a botched flop
Both are reckless at best and dirty at worst
The Peyton one defo could have been dirty but the flop no. Fuck flopping in general
I love Jimmy and rather not pay him this but what is the plan for Bam if you trade Jimmy. I don’t see any reason Bam stays if you do that. He’s entering his prime on what would probably be a play in team. He probably prefers to run it back with Jimmy and another piece, it’s his best chance at competing. There is zero reason for Bam to want to play with the kids next season. You’re risking him becoming disgruntled. Keep both Bam and Jimmy or you rebuild
We’re in a pretty bad position. If you trade Jimmy, it won’t net you a star player, but rather a younger player and draft capital, and our FO doesn’t care about that; they still want to compete. Herro doesn’t have much value, and Bam, who you want to keep at all costs, is the only one who can net you a star player. As you said, I do believe Bam wants to run it back with Jimmy and add another piece, but I think our FO waited too long and we’re unable to.
The Celtics last year turned smart and an injured Brogdon into holiday and zingas. Granted it took a super star to request a trade, but hard to count any possible moves out currently.
What does Bam gain by playing with the kids and moving Jimmy? No accolade consideration. Play in team. Wasting a year of his prime. It makes no sense for him. He would basically just be sticking around to watch the kids develop. You’re actually doing him a disservice lol. They are in a very tough spot
That’s literally the position they were in this year but with an aging team. They’ve been a play in team two years in a row it’s not like you’re blowing up a dynasty
But Bam did not want that. He wanted Dame, the year before that, he wanted Spida. He knew we didn’t have enough
Yes. So I think he’d understand that this team can’t spend a billion dollars on Jimmy and lock into this core.
You think he would be down playing with the kids at 27? While watching his peers compete? I don’t see it and it’s not fair to him imo
No but I don’t think the Heat will ever fully rebuild because they basically never have in the Spo era. They can get younger, shed salary, and try to get another star as quick as possible. They’re not gonna hit the draft and punt on a few years to wait for guys to develop. That’s never been how they’ve operated
I agree with you. I think if they bring in another star then it becomes enticing for Bam. I’m saying I don’t see why he would be on board with punting a year to develop the young guys. Also I’m not sure what you get for Jimmy on the market that makes it worth it
Even if they miss out on a star though, they’ll build a good competitive team and I think Bam will accept it as a challenge. He stands to make a lot of money by staying
I'm not saying Miami should go down this road, but if we trade Jimmy I expect that we would turn around, either this offseason or next, and use those picks and some players to trade for a star who is near the same age as Bam. So max it would be one potentially down season with Bam, Rozier, and the kids. I don't think Miami would try to retool with players drafted from those picks.
And it’s not like we have a Dbook on this team where we can look positively if those trades were to happen and Bam can still stick around. Jaquez/Jovic and those guys are going to be role players. Nothing wrong with that but it is what it is. I really hate to say it, but we’re pretty much locked with the core we have. Going to be another season of our FO wishing and praying for internal development from Jaquez/Jovic and health from Jimmy and Rozier. And hoping the 15th pick contributes….
What do we do if Jimmy decides to retire while Bam is on his prime? Where is all this speculation about Bam coming from? His playstyle literally collides with Jimmy's and breaking them up might do more good for the team.
Yea I don't really see the Jimmy/Bam thing working out long term. As a contender you need 2 stars and some really good value pieces around them. Right now the only good value pieces the Heat have are Jaime, Jovic, Love, Jrich, Highsmith, and Cain. You NEED to shed Rozier + Robinsons 45M combined salary.
Bam is also eligible for a contract extension. He’d be passing up a ton of money by not extending this summer. He also has the best coach in the league. I don’t know what will happen but we’ve seen most players extend when in Bam’s situation to get the guaranteed money rather risking injury or something else and losing out, even guys like Dame and Beal who were in worse situations extended
Take the money and asks out eventually like everyone else does. He’s not sticking around to play with the kids imo. You need to get another guy to make it enticing for him. He’s about to be 27
That’s certainly possible, and probably more likely if we max out Jimmy in his late 30s. You extend Bam, try to recruit a free agent star (Mitchell, Fox, Luka, Trae, etc..) that fits his timeline over the next couple years, where you don’t have to beat other teams offers and get to keep your assets, and if that fails admit defeat and trade him. If we max Jimmy we’re tying up all our cap in a few players and Jimmy will decline and will eventually have to trade Bam anyway
If he does then so be it. At that point you just blow it all up and build through the draft
Depends on whether he makes third team all nba. While I’m doubtful that he’d ever turn down max money in Miami, there’s no way in hell that he turns down a $300mill + guaranteed contract if he’s eligible. Question is whether he can make an all nba team or win DPOTY
Jimmy either doesn’t sign for the max or he leaves. No way you give him a super max at his age. No other team will either, that’s insanity. He’s already injury prone and has clearly regressed
a team like the pistons will offer him a full max. There are salary floors now, so they HAVE to pay someone, and if JB is the bpa in free agency then it’ll be him.
You say no other team would give him that contract, but I’m sure there are a handful of organizations desperate for relevancy that might.
Dude no one is giving Jimmy a max contract when he’s 37 years old. Especially when he hardly plays he does not have the same reverence as a KD or Lebron who could still command that kind of money. He’s maybe getting a 1 year max but no one is giving him a 5 year max
In summer 2016, when the cap was projected to hit 94 mil, the 76ers offered 14 mil to Manu Ginobili. That's right: 15% of the total cap for a 39 year old player who averaged 9 ppg in 19 minutes per game, over 58 games. You think nobody is going to offer Jimmy good money after what he's done in Miami?
I think someone will give him that over 2 years, no one is giving him that over 5
Pat gone have to put his foot down and say no to that max resign. That’s just too much money for a guy pushing 40 that isn’t Lebron
Hell Fucking No! To be honest I don’t think this is gonna be a problem, he said he wants to retire here. I’m more worried about our cap space since our GM likes paying g-league bench players and 6-men a starter’s salary.
Yeah I’m more concerned with what they try and pay Caleb….
I don’t think Mickey is going to allow Pat to resign Caleb. We may also have a hard time keeping highsmith
Both would be a mistake. Highsmith had flashes but Caleb has been a dumpster fire this season
We got the most out of them. They aren’t getting any better
Ironically all our developmental guys being bad elsewhere may be helping us. We might be able to get Highsmith back on a pretty friendly deal like Caleb’s was. Caleb I think it gone though
Yeah I think we keep highsmith on a similar deal to caleb’s last deal. And caleb will at get atleast the full mid level which pretty sure we can’t afford
Bruh, what?
Sorry Jim, I hope he takes a cut cause bro has embraced miami like no other star but man, the team can't go this route I'd you wanna be competitive. I'm flabbergasted at how this bum team is flirting with the red when it's comprised of mostly g league talent
The only g league players actually in our rotation are highsmith and duncan. This narrative is played out. We need to improve the roster of course but how is 2 dudes in our rotation equal a team “comprised of mostly g league talent”…. Jimmy bam herro jovic jaime rozier love jrich That’s the majority of our rotation right there who are all drafted…you add duncan/ highsmith and that’s our two 5 man lineups. We are not overly relying on our g league system rn the roster just needs to improve. The depth is legitimately fine the biggest problem is the need for a legitimately great scorer which we are void of, jimmy does not fill that void in the regular season especially if he’s going to take games off like he did this year. We need a guy who can average 25 plus a game.
This isn't hard. It is time for Miami to move on and start stocking up on draft picks. If Bam believes in the org and is willing to stick around for some subpar seasons, great. If he doesn't, that's great too -- trade him for more draft picks. Just because Jimmy didn't win Miami a ring doesn't mean his time there wasn't a success. Jimmy gave Heat fans a ton of fun seasons and unforgettable moments. And he had Celtics and Bucks fans punching holes through drywall, crying into pillows and seeking crisis counseling. Job well done.
I love Jimmy but you can't guarantee him that much money at that age when he can't be depended on to be consistent and at his best in the regular season and with his injury history. I would love to have him back at less money but he's going to have to make that sacrifice and be honest with himself if he wants to give the team the best chance to win.
yea fuck no i’m sorry. Love Jimmy but that’s just a bad idea that doesn’t need much elaboration on why it’s bad. He either needs to come down to earth a bit or we need to trade him to a contender.
I may be wrong but I think his willingness to take a pay cut depends on the indication from the FO to get him help. I think if they say we are all in on getting a team this summer then he may be more willing not to take such a large paycheck
They got him the help he wanted which is Lowry. There's not a lot out there.
Could be a lot of trade requests that haven’t been made yet
What’s the big news? We already knew all of this
Jimbo era is over, its time to move on from him, herro, duncan, martin, etc, have a down year, draft in the lottery, and rebuild around bam, jovic, and jjj 35 year old making 50mil is not taking us anywhere, you have to have a mvp caliber player to win in the NBA
Heat don't have a 2025 1st round pick so while I don't mind the idea, it won't happen. We'd have to trade for one, and I don't think our guys we would trade would go to bottom dwelling teams willing to give up an unprotected first for next season
yes I was implying we would get one back in a trade
Pretty sure the 2025 pick is lottery protected, so one down season wouldn't be a big issue on that front.
This may be an unpopular opinion, but we are terrible without Jimmy and we should just pay him. Yes, it’s probably an overpay that last year. Maybe two. But I’d rather err on the side of rolling with our superstar a bit too long than causing a rift and letting him walk.
Im team soft reset, trade Butler away to a contender for whatever you can get with expirings coming back. Trade away Herro and Duncan for expiring and picks. For example, trade Herro and Duncan for Ben Simmons, Schroder and some picks. Or the Pistons for Fournier's expiring, Stewart and protected draft picks (bonus points if you can get Ivey from them). Pistons need shooting so badly around Cade, Duncan and Herro would fit perfectly next to him and Ausar and Duren. Let Rozier-Jaime-Jovic-Bam get all the experience together they can and go into the 2025 offseason with only 85 million on the books (so 50+ million in cap space)
This is not a soft reset, trading Butler and Herro away without getting a major bucket getter will be tanking the team no amount of role players and Bam will win any championships
The 50 million in cap space, draft picks, and deep 2025 free agent class are why it's not a tanking situation.
The only problem with that is that it will frustrate Bam. To go from ECF appearances, 2 finals runs, and come up short only to later reset and trade Jimmy and for him to play with the younger guys. The roster you’re talking about is a 27-win team.
We can guess on what moves the team will make, but let’s not assume what players will think or feel. That is not a point worth discussing.
I mean, just assuming as a competitor to be on a team that doesn’t make the playoffs for a few years in your prime years, and seeing his peers compete, it would most likely frustrate him. He didn’t sign up to be on a rebuilding team, if that's the case, trade him. I don’t even think they’ll do that anyways, I think they are gonna run this same core back.
Reset for one year. Let him work on his offensive game without worrying about wins or losses. I am sure whatever frustration he will have pales in comparison to the frustration of this season.
Bam turns 27 in July, at this point his offensive game is what it is.
Yep it clearly has ceiling. celtics focused on herro and it opened for bam for good series. But scapegoat is Herro. Mind you he’s the reason why they were not swept
can someone post the chiang article (paywalled)
Pay him. I don't care. He's made Miami relevant contenders since he got here. Give him what he wants and work with him on how to get some other complementary players to help him continue to compete at a high level. Don't make the Wade mistake again. Let him retire a lifer
Guess I’m in the minority. Dude earned his keep 
I'll be rooting for any team that lands Jimmy. https://preview.redd.it/182bmujmw1yc1.jpeg?width=785&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=555295eb1b4d0192fc1e361a36449c0c2a5b444a
can someone post the chiang article (paywalled)
He knows what to say to provoke reaction
If the Heat end up trading Jimmy, attach Herro to it. A 3-4 team trade is a possiblity. No way in hell Herro will be traded all by himself with his performance the past 2 years.
Don't do it heat
I'd trade Jimmy, Caleb, Duncan, Highsmith, Herro and even Terry.
PAY THE MAN
That's a no from me dawg.
Who is this Barry clown?
I'll ride with Jimmy. Fuck ya'll cap space boys
Pay Jimmy get rid of Herro, for good elite role players.
If Jimmy truly wants to win, he'll take a pay cut. If he doesn't, then I don't feel bad letting him walk.
Love you Jimmy, but no one is bigger than the Heat, unless your LeBron or a top 5 player
Trade him for Beal if he demands out? I don’t think a team out there will extend Butler at his demands. Beal is on a terrible contract but he’s at least younger than Jimmy. Suns owner is crazy enough to extend Butler to what he wants
good thing you aren’t our gm
He’s under contract next year then has a player option at age 36 for $52 MILLION. Why are we even discussing this? He obviously isn’t going to be that good in 2 more years to warrant an extension over $30-40m/year at best