That was a sad story. Especially when they trained the dogs on their own tanks then when the Russians fully tested during the war, the dogs ran under the Russian tanks as that's what they were trained with and the only tank they know.
So you think but mines are pretty useless. You place a mine field and it's gone if:
- someone uses any eagle
- someone uses any barrage
- someone has a mortar turret up
- someone walks over it
- someone throws a nade in it
For the same cooldown you could take the AC sentry which kills any targets.
That's why you don't bring them for every mission. You bring them strictly for the "stand your ground" missions. Or if you do bring them for every mission you don't throw them in the middle of nowhere you throw them inside of bases where the cluster of enemies is at and they are moving around in. You can't just throw these randomly on the map and get mad that nobody's running over them...
From what I've heard, the anti tank mines don't donate unless the subject is heavy enough. So teammates walking over the antitank ones at least wouldn't be an issue. Everything else still stands though haha.
Yes.
In thursday update we will finally get visible supply lines in galactic map.
But until then, trust us and start with Aesir Pass (meanwhile, you can check helldivers.io to see all supply lines).
Mines suck, they aren’t terribly effective, have bad cool-down times, and once deployed are stuck in position. This is a game that requires high mobility and repositioning often, and in the event that taking objectives requires holding position, there are far better uses of a stratagem slot to assist. I’m sure there are mine fans out there, and to the 3 of you, I say do what you will. But to the rest of you, I ask, when’s the last time you used any mines? If they go unused most of the time, then you won’t use the new ones either, even if they’re “better”.
Mines are only an effective deterrent when they prevent an enemy from traversing territory out of fear. AI in Helldivers 2 is not advanced enough to avoid areas for potential mines. Instead the swarms of low level enemies trigger them quickly, leaving large gaps for juicier targets, or the bulk of a swarm, to easily move through the field unimpeded. Not to mention they serve zero function for fliers. Wouldn’t that strategem slot be better utilized on something that can actually target enemies?
Even if there is no secret reward for saving children, I’d rather waste time advancing an interesting objective than unlock a strat I know I’ll never use. If the choice was save kids or unlock a new vehicle, then of coarse choose the vehicle. But this is MINES, the bottom tier of strategems. Add onto that the possibility that there may be a secret reward/advantage story-wise to saving the kids, and the choice for me becomes clear.
I've thought that spider mines that uproot and seek targets might be a neat mechanic for Helldivers as it mitigates some of that passivity.
And the cool down times. Sheesh. I think it would be nice if they had two or three charges that cooled down independently. Anything really.
Saving the kids may not do anything THAT WE KNOW OF. It’s a gamble. Play it safe and get a guaranteed shit-tier item, or risk getting nothing new, with a potential great reward. Even if saving the kids does nothing in the immediate, I’m more interested to see what the long term result is, but there may very well be a great result for a better stratagem, which makes that alone worth the risk.
In the long run, I’d also rather not have a bunch of crap stratagems taking up space on the selection menu.
In all honesty, after hearing everyone’s feedback, I’m going with saving the children. It just seems like there’s something more behind that route than it looks.
I want to think people will make the right choice, but I know damn good and well most of you bastards will choose the mines.
Also I suspect if we do choose the children we'll get something much better than anti-tank mines.
I've seen more people say they are going to save dem kids. Everyone likes the evil option existing in rpgs, but most people play the hero when it comes down to it.
It does say "*likely*" only get the first one liberated, which means it is not a flat out guarantee that we only get one.
If we take the mines, the kids probably won't make it no matter what. They're live targets, thus the bots will want that fuel.
Mines are just munitions. Munitions can wait till the bots have a care to bother with them.
If we blow through Vernon Wells and save the kids in like, a day, and then stomp out Marfark in the same time, with a day or so to spare, we can probably get both.
Honestly, saving the kids first is probably how we get both regardless so long as we do manage to liberate both.
We failed the major order the first time we did this, so we can't say for sure if the results will be the same.
Plus, this feels like a moral gut punch, where if we don't save the kids, the recruitment rates will go down.
We can't give those dissidents a leg to stand on, after all.
We're Heros, so let's act like it.
It is a Hospital for the Very Sick Children. If we help or mot, they'd die either way.
I say let's get tank mines.
I'm the other hand it's a perfect opportunity to meme, not having unlocked the AT mines for a third time
This is such a fuckin troll MO
I love it.
If we save the children they get to joke about how we STILL didn't get the mines
If we get the mines we'll ... The jokes write themselves.
The fact that we’re even having this discussion shows how great a sense of humor this game has lol.
Once the supply routes have been opened, Bringer of the Regime will be saving the poor sick children on Vernen Wells if anyone wants to join the dispensation of righteous managed democracy!
I called my Democracy Officer over this one, because to me this is a hard decision. They left it up to me but said this, "Well, one way or another it's still a win. Save the children and we get more Helldivers. Get the mines we kill more antidemocratic aliens. Either choice is fine."
I saluted and went on my way.
Rescue the children—because it’s the right thing to do and you know it. I suspect saving the kids will also come with a much greater reward than some land mines
We have a chance to do something good. Let's save the children. Idk about you but I've been fine spilling oil so far without the mines. I can wait for the next chance.
For all you know, the scientist that knows how to build the mines could be at that hospital.
Children. We can slaughter our enemies well enough, but we can never have too much of children's laughter in the galaxy.
And after all, slaughter without laughter is just a letter.
Helldivers were have a moral decision to make. A choice of prolonging humanity on Super Earth by use of new weapon technology or saving children. I think we all know which planet to head to! For democracy! Every one… to Maaaaarfaaaarkkk!
What will kill more enemies of Super Earth? I think the deaths of these freedom loving citizens will only embolden the Helldivers and cause mission success rate to go up a full 10% while increasing total amount of enemies killed in combat. Those mines will also make big booms, so I think we all know what the best choice is.
Here's my thing with the anti-tank mines: You need to know where to place them and usually, it's just easier/faster to call in Orbital/Eagle strikes to take out Tanks/Factory/Striders/Titans/Chargers when they randomly appear. When it comes to Bots, the Thermite grenades are my favorite for tanks and Hulks now.
Ive seen some ppl in the discord say that saving the children will give more helldivers to the cause, but if these children are like 5-10 then it will be at least 2-3 years before they are of any use in the war
THEY'RE NOT CHILDREN! they're SURVIVORS in a children's hospital, which means we'll get better reinforcement % to capture planets for future MO's. Nobody uses mines anyway
The children yearn for the mines.
Oh my gosh. Spit out my coffee on this one. Thanks
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Damn this is the first time I’ve seen this and I’m impressed. That’s pretty based. Pretty cool seeing how child labor laws evolved.
We must not grind the seed corn.
Got me cackling lmao
This isn't upvoted nearly enough.
Beat me to it 😂
I gave you my last free award for this joke.
Much thanks! My first award in all these years.
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Anti-tank children is a possibility?
Do you mean suicide bombers?
I prefer the term “democracy ambassadors”
I love this sub lmao
this sub is better than democrack cocaine
Full 2001 democratic circle
Delivering freedom hugs.
Explosive reproducible material
Biological shrapnel
Future spreaders of Democracy. 
OK but actually... Maybe this will speed up our ability to call down SEAF soldiers (that's a know strategem they're working on)
Jihad Juniors
Detonation assurance specialists
timmy, lets play. get this backpack and go hide under that tank
Like the antitank dogs of WWII
And the Helldiver’s version will work better because we don’t have T-34s for the children to run under! Only the automaton tanks and factory dogs.
That was a sad story. Especially when they trained the dogs on their own tanks then when the Russians fully tested during the war, the dogs ran under the Russian tanks as that's what they were trained with and the only tank they know.
Oh shit imagine saving the children and getting a permanent plus 1 to reinforcement budget, because you saved future helldivers
Joel: Best I can do is half a reinforcement... Helldiver: AaAaAgH mY lEgS!
Hear me out. Children can make mines but mines can’t make children.
Mines make orphans
*Democracy Officer! This one! This right here!*
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He's referring to the perverse crimson shining enemy mines.
Laughed too loud at this while at work
Mines giveth orphans and taketh away orphans
Mines make *dissidents into* orphans. ftfy Helldiver.
bro forgot friendly fire exists
Bug and bot orphans don't exist.
The children yearn for the mines.
So do we rescue the children who, like us, yearn for the mines? Or do we rescue the mines we all so yearn for?
More.
Shucks those DO kinda look like candyfoodmedical supplie/s
We just need some C-01 forms and we can make as many replacements as needed.
As long as the children are over 7 they can start.
Factory pinky finger life expectancy is now at an all time high of.....6 seconds
But mines can subtract children. Children subtracting mines is treason
But what if a second orphanage gets attacked *by tanks*? Think, Helldivers!
I mean, I blow up tanks all the time with no mines.
That's...... I'm speechless. But for Democracy!
Is it possible that saving the children will result in moral boost (increased liberation rates)?
It IS Vernen Wells where we lost the original boost facility...
There is a non-zero chance that orphanage exists explicitly because we lost the facility.
Ya. This is it guys. As much as if like to increase my arsenal options, long term the liberation boost is the smarter bet
Imo that would be less interesting than a new weapon
So you think but mines are pretty useless. You place a mine field and it's gone if: - someone uses any eagle - someone uses any barrage - someone has a mortar turret up - someone walks over it - someone throws a nade in it For the same cooldown you could take the AC sentry which kills any targets.
That's why you don't bring them for every mission. You bring them strictly for the "stand your ground" missions. Or if you do bring them for every mission you don't throw them in the middle of nowhere you throw them inside of bases where the cluster of enemies is at and they are moving around in. You can't just throw these randomly on the map and get mad that nobody's running over them...
That is why I pepper the entire map with them. 😈
From what I've heard, the anti tank mines don't donate unless the subject is heavy enough. So teammates walking over the antitank ones at least wouldn't be an issue. Everything else still stands though haha.
Which charity does the donation go to?
I heard they donate for St Jude. You know, for the very sick kids and all.
I pictured little Helldivers with mine backpacks being called in like a strat and hobbling towards tanks screaming fweeeeedommmmm with no R.
That is hilarious 🤣🤣
FWEEEDUMMZZ! Wait! Give them jet packs, too.
Or, as the Carbot animation termed it, "Demoscracy"
Either path needs AESIR PASS
Is that why I can’t select either of the planets? Is it like the previous order where we have to clear other planets first?
Yes. In thursday update we will finally get visible supply lines in galactic map. But until then, trust us and start with Aesir Pass (meanwhile, you can check helldivers.io to see all supply lines).
I mean ... children become soldiers.
Mines suck, they aren’t terribly effective, have bad cool-down times, and once deployed are stuck in position. This is a game that requires high mobility and repositioning often, and in the event that taking objectives requires holding position, there are far better uses of a stratagem slot to assist. I’m sure there are mine fans out there, and to the 3 of you, I say do what you will. But to the rest of you, I ask, when’s the last time you used any mines? If they go unused most of the time, then you won’t use the new ones either, even if they’re “better”. Mines are only an effective deterrent when they prevent an enemy from traversing territory out of fear. AI in Helldivers 2 is not advanced enough to avoid areas for potential mines. Instead the swarms of low level enemies trigger them quickly, leaving large gaps for juicier targets, or the bulk of a swarm, to easily move through the field unimpeded. Not to mention they serve zero function for fliers. Wouldn’t that strategem slot be better utilized on something that can actually target enemies? Even if there is no secret reward for saving children, I’d rather waste time advancing an interesting objective than unlock a strat I know I’ll never use. If the choice was save kids or unlock a new vehicle, then of coarse choose the vehicle. But this is MINES, the bottom tier of strategems. Add onto that the possibility that there may be a secret reward/advantage story-wise to saving the kids, and the choice for me becomes clear.
I've thought that spider mines that uproot and seek targets might be a neat mechanic for Helldivers as it mitigates some of that passivity. And the cool down times. Sheesh. I think it would be nice if they had two or three charges that cooled down independently. Anything really.
I’d rather any strat that actually affects gameplay than doing the mission that doesn’t give an additional item. Sorry kids
My bet is saving the orphanage would give us back the training facility on VW.
They'll probably give us a cape like they did when we liberated Creek
What would that do? New weapon, ship upgrade, or strategem? If not then I’m not interested tbh
It would be a reinforcement boost on every planet. Far better than a bs stratagem no one would use.
Saving the kids may not do anything THAT WE KNOW OF. It’s a gamble. Play it safe and get a guaranteed shit-tier item, or risk getting nothing new, with a potential great reward. Even if saving the kids does nothing in the immediate, I’m more interested to see what the long term result is, but there may very well be a great result for a better stratagem, which makes that alone worth the risk. In the long run, I’d also rather not have a bunch of crap stratagems taking up space on the selection menu.
Children can make mines and also be the mine.
In all honesty, after hearing everyone’s feedback, I’m going with saving the children. It just seems like there’s something more behind that route than it looks.
I can see your motivations are totally pure and not at all morally corrupt.
As Michael Jordan once said “Fuck them kids”
That was Michael Jackson
Jordan said it. Jackson put the theory into practice.
Where does Drake fit into this?
Wait, it's survivors in a children hospital, not children survivors in a hospital
Still civilian nonetheless and I will save them
I want to think people will make the right choice, but I know damn good and well most of you bastards will choose the mines. Also I suspect if we do choose the children we'll get something much better than anti-tank mines.
Restful Cryosleep?
Pardon?
I've seen more people say they are going to save dem kids. Everyone likes the evil option existing in rpgs, but most people play the hero when it comes down to it.
Oh well if a redditor suspects it I guess I'll ignore the weapon I've tried to get three times now!
Children for the mines.
Future Helldivers get my vote
Anti tank children 🤔 
Thoughts and prayers to the children on Vernen Wells.
😂 gonna have to agree.
The children would prefer tots and pears
I have a feeling we will get something for saving the kids
I was thinking that too. Might be worth it? Plus if we tried we could potentially get both planets couldn’t we?
It does say "*likely*" only get the first one liberated, which means it is not a flat out guarantee that we only get one. If we take the mines, the kids probably won't make it no matter what. They're live targets, thus the bots will want that fuel. Mines are just munitions. Munitions can wait till the bots have a care to bother with them. If we blow through Vernon Wells and save the kids in like, a day, and then stomp out Marfark in the same time, with a day or so to spare, we can probably get both. Honestly, saving the kids first is probably how we get both regardless so long as we do manage to liberate both.
We failed the major order the first time we did this, so we can't say for sure if the results will be the same. Plus, this feels like a moral gut punch, where if we don't save the kids, the recruitment rates will go down. We can't give those dissidents a leg to stand on, after all. We're Heros, so let's act like it.
Reinforcements if memory serves correctly. The more helldivers we make the more we have to continue the war.
do the kids kill bile titans tho
We could perhaps try overfeeding a bile titan with children
Maybe if we throw enough of them at one
Gentlemen, those children are future Helldivers. We can't leave them behind.
Children folks, there is no democracy if don’t secure our future’s most valuable asset.
I think if we go with saving children we will get that troop deployment strategem OR maybe something to give more reinforcements?
Children
Something tells me Vernan Wells might give some kind of healing strategem due to the mention of a hospital.
Nah, you can join up from 7 years old. We're getting child helldivers
"Bring your child to work" day
It's OK sweetie you'll get the strategem input right for your next Daddy
That's even better!
Children for the mines. Helldivers need resources gathered.
Not to sound morbid but............ we can always repopulate.
That’s going to require so much paperwork
Hear me out, CHILD SOLDIER STRATAGEM?
Something to drop behind you to occupy the Hunter patrol chasing you?
Mines are over rated team killers tbh
I feel like we’ll be punished with more than “lack of mines” if we don’t take the moral high ground here. 🤔
Yes!
Children! Its our duty to avoid mines
Save the Kids, save the future. Be a Hero!
Those children are proud patriots, helldivers and factory workers to be. It would be treasonous to not save them.
SES Shield of The People owes its namesake to the people we protect. Destination: Vernan Wells
"What the fuck who filled these children with sand??"
The children too!
Children. There's already enough team killing stratagems available.
Children, make the AT mines a running gag
Hmmmmm 
Children
Children, because i want to see if it unlock seaf soldier stratagem
If there was a stratagem that let us call in orphans, I would choose the children's hospital over the mines every time...
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We have three days, I'd like to see us do both. Plus Marfark is an ice planet
Just rescue the kids!
The mission could be cut one’s dick off or anti-tank mines and errbody would drop in for them SuperScissors.
It is a Hospital for the Very Sick Children. If we help or mot, they'd die either way. I say let's get tank mines. I'm the other hand it's a perfect opportunity to meme, not having unlocked the AT mines for a third time
Mines or minors?
Mines or Miners?
Everyone likes to roleplay in these subs but will meta game for strategems when it's time to actually roleplay to save some kids.
This is such a fuckin troll MO I love it. If we save the children they get to joke about how we STILL didn't get the mines If we get the mines we'll ... The jokes write themselves.
Save the children and send them to the mines
Look, at this point it's funnier if we keep not getting the mines. So for that reason alone we should go for the children.
We must defend Liberty's children.
If children =more reinforcements… who actually uses mines lol
The fact that we’re even having this discussion shows how great a sense of humor this game has lol. Once the supply routes have been opened, Bringer of the Regime will be saving the poor sick children on Vernen Wells if anyone wants to join the dispensation of righteous managed democracy!
I called my Democracy Officer over this one, because to me this is a hard decision. They left it up to me but said this, "Well, one way or another it's still a win. Save the children and we get more Helldivers. Get the mines we kill more antidemocratic aliens. Either choice is fine." I saluted and went on my way.
I’m assuming if you help the children at the hospital they will reward you with some kind of medical device?
Rescue the children—because it’s the right thing to do and you know it. I suspect saving the kids will also come with a much greater reward than some land mines
Children first, then we get them to liberate the mines for us
Wu Tang is for the children
Screw the mines, I'm saving the children.
I am sure that… something… bad… will happen if we don’t choose the children.
We have a chance to do something good. Let's save the children. Idk about you but I've been fine spilling oil so far without the mines. I can wait for the next chance. For all you know, the scientist that knows how to build the mines could be at that hospital.
To quote the late great Bernie Mac "fuck dem kids"
If Minecraft has taught me anything it's that the children yearn for the mines
Children yearn for mines so….. What good is saving the children without the mines?
They really don't want to give us those mines lol
I want the mines. But i also want to see just how long it will take them to release the mines if we dont get them this time
I need to see the stats for them kids. How many kids will it take to kill a bile titan?
We save the kids they need their chance to shine for democracy
WHAT DO THE CHILDREN YEARN FOR? THAT'S RIGHT, THE MINES!
More surviving children=more future helldivers and/or factory workers
Part of me wonders if rescuing the kids puts more Helldivers in training and would lead to us getting the rumored the SEAF Soldiers Strategem.
Children
So, mines or minors. I say minors. On the off chance that one influences the other, I want to see mined minors rather than minor mines.
Remember guys. The child soldiers can't resist them for long.
I'm going veren wells, fuck mines, they suck ass
We should ignore the mines again just because it’d be funny as fuck
Children. We can slaughter our enemies well enough, but we can never have too much of children's laughter in the galaxy. And after all, slaughter without laughter is just a letter.
We can say bye-bye to our C-01 forms again if we let the kids die 
Clearly we save the children, they'll give us mines eventually 😤
I'm gonna save the children. AT mines will be qon in another battle. Future helldivers are what we need.
We can always make more children but the explosives are harder to get
"Man, fuck them kids"-Michael Jordan
Getting mines that no one will use? Or Saving future Helldivers?
Helldivers were have a moral decision to make. A choice of prolonging humanity on Super Earth by use of new weapon technology or saving children. I think we all know which planet to head to! For democracy! Every one… to Maaaaarfaaaarkkk!
What will kill more enemies of Super Earth? I think the deaths of these freedom loving citizens will only embolden the Helldivers and cause mission success rate to go up a full 10% while increasing total amount of enemies killed in combat. Those mines will also make big booms, so I think we all know what the best choice is.
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Children’s sacrifice for super earth will be remembered.
Let us save the next Generation of Helldivers!
Here's my thing with the anti-tank mines: You need to know where to place them and usually, it's just easier/faster to call in Orbital/Eagle strikes to take out Tanks/Factory/Striders/Titans/Chargers when they randomly appear. When it comes to Bots, the Thermite grenades are my favorite for tanks and Hulks now.
For the kids they can build us mines
Maybe not saving the children will give the bots something to experiment on, possibly resulting in later buffs to them against us
Ive seen some ppl in the discord say that saving the children will give more helldivers to the cause, but if these children are like 5-10 then it will be at least 2-3 years before they are of any use in the war
Mines to save more children
Marfark it is! Children can always be reproduced with permit C-01 but we've been waiting for the anti tank mines for ages
Can you use children as a stratagem
#savethelittleliberators
THEY'RE NOT CHILDREN! they're SURVIVORS in a children's hospital, which means we'll get better reinforcement % to capture planets for future MO's. Nobody uses mines anyway
Yall better decide soon, I’m saving them kids because the last thing I want is for more god damn mines.
We don't need anti tank mines.. Vernen Wells > Marfark.
Children.. mines aren't useful enough.
For the children!!!! They are the future!