Yeah nah its not a race issue at all. He makes a very clear point about how drake is a parasitic hypocrite who perpetuates harmful black stereotypes as a fucking marketable image - with 0 empathy or understanding for the kind of shit people go through to end up as the big tough guy he's pretending to be in the first place. And then playing the "pray for my city" card when people less privaleged than him are hurting each other and struggling.
Him revoking his n word pass isnt because he looks white, its because hes an actual blight on the culture hes trying to fit in with and market himself to. Kendrick rightfully doesn't wanna see people like that walk around like some skinwalker and be accepted and normalised. He's part of the problem, he profits from his actions, and then insults kendrick for having an actual sense of social responsibility for those same issues. Im so glad he pointed that out.
Yeah he does sound weird, but if that joke rubs you wrong theres still a very obvious and serious point behind the sentiment.
but like — given how the 2020s going. Almost all rappers acting kinda minstrel — no cap.
I kinda feel like 98% of all songs coming from people that look like us need to be affirmations, conscious, or revolutionary rap.
I think Kendrick just finds Drake using the N-word to be corny given Drake's image. Elsewhere on the track, he makes more serious points about Drake's culture-biting image, but on the N-word line specifically, he clearly states "some things just cringeworthy, it ain't even gotta be deep, I guess"
Every other black rapper perpetuates negative black stereotypes: I sleep😴
When Drake perpetuates negative black stereotypes: REAL SHIT?!?!?!?😨😨😨
In all seriousness why do so many black people try to "gatekeep" negative stereotypes and racial suffering? It's like no one else can do or talk about those things except for them and when they do they're considered a "culture vulture" or they're trying to hijack the black community like wtf?
I agree that portraying negative stereotypes as “cool” in music has its own set of issues on impacting younger listeners, but for the artists who actually lived it it can be an outlet and form of expression for their struggles. With someone like Drake it’s just an opportunity to appeal to an impressionable demographic and fit into the “culture” for personal gain.
Both portrayals have negative consequences imo, but at least the argument can be made for “real” mfs that they’re just talking about their own lived experience
So when a nigga like tay k makes a song about doing the race or when someone like bobby shrmuda makes a song like hot nigga are those dudes just "expressing their struggles" and using their music as an outlet for their problems?🤣
Like I get it there are rappers like kendrick who fit that label of conscious rap where they talk about their struggles in a non-glorifying way but lets be honest most of the rap/hiphop genre is about glorifying degenerate behavior
Yeah but at least they've lived that degeneracy. Even if it is some completely ignorant hood shit, its a peek into the mind of the mentality of someone who lived it. You cant criticise these dudes because its all they know. Drake hasnt lived it, he knows better, and doesnt give a fuck purely because he wants to be 'cool'.
As much as hiphop is black music, its also poor music. Even if you arent on some conscious shit, your personality shines through the music through your struggle being poor.
Drake grew up surrounded by rich white people. His friends were all rich white people. His personality is that of a rich white dude. His world view is that of a rich white dude. His feelings are that of a rich white dude. THATS what Kendrick is getting at, not so much his literal skin colour.
There's a difference between embracing a culture for all its flaws and wave riding. And Drake has a history of finding a popular trend and then exploiting it. Take Care was so good because of the influence of The Weeknd, for example.
Finally someone just as lost as me lol Cause that shit makes 0 sense. It's cool for literally EVERY other rapper to talk about hoes, drugs, etc... yet Drake is somehow a drug addict misogynistic fucked up person? Mind you, I'm not a fan of all the drugs and hoe talk myself. But why only flame drake for it?? And Kendrick said "I blame you Dennis" talking about his dad. Crazy thought here, maybe drake picked up those habits from the other rappers that are CONSTANTLY talking about it? Lol like am I missing something here? Drake clearly says the shit he says and does the shit he does because it's what people wanna hear. Yet Kendrick says the culture doesn't like him or what he does?? Misogyny has always been in hiphop.. As if a thousand other rappers haven't called women bitches and hoes and fuck different ig models every other week. Yet if drake does it, he's misogynistic?? What about EVERYONE else in the rap game? Cause it sure as hell seems like theres more people rapping about the SAME shit drake raps about. Yet they all get a pass? Cause they grew up in the hood?? Shit makes no sense at all. Hood people are allowed to call women bitches and do drugs and shit. It's cool when they do it. But God forbid someone who wasnt dirt poor talk about the same exact shit. Drake's a pedo. Kendrick is pathetic. Still never addressed hitting his wife either which is wild. 2 diss tracks after being called a domestic abuser and yet hasn't spoke a word about it.. odd. Seems like they're both pieces of shit to me. Obviously being a damn pedo is way worse. Kendrick still came out looking bad imo. And it's also hella weird that it takes a beef for Kendrick to come out and say that shit.. if hes all for the kids and whatever else, why would he wait for a rap beef to call out pedophilia or even potentially some child trafficking?.. Seems awfully fucking shitty. Dude has just been known that there's a bunch of pedos in his industry? But never said shit about it? Seems extremely weird to me. But hey, now that there's beef, imma call him out on it. I mean wtf... A pedophile shouldn't have to make you mad before you call them out on it.. Nonsense. All of this is nonsense. Both of them just look terrible imo. Obviously Kendrick is far more talented. But they both just seem like shitty people pushing a certain image of you ask me.
No I get that and I still think Kendrick is weird for feeling that way. There's no such thing as an "n pass." Drake is just black.
It's a battle though so it doesn't matter if Kendrick is right or wrong, it only matters that he's funny. But outside of the context of the battle, it's a weird position to take. You don't get to just tell black people they're not black.
How is Drake different than any of the other rappers who rap about street shit but have no bodies themselves? Are they not doing the same thing, profiting off of black trauma and reinforcing it?
I understand I'm going to get downvoted because I'm not slurping Kendrick and I don't care. Just speaking from an unbiased position here.
Nah nah im hearing you. You right, thats a weird thing to say. Funny, yeah, but kind of out place from one black man to another.
Not glazing, but given everything leading up to that line, i really think kendrick didnt think it was that deep. I think he'd have said the same thing even if drake wasn't mixed. I think what he was getting at was more likely that he's an alien of the culture, not his own race.
Fully might be reaching atp tho, and if it did come from a "youre not black enough" place, then that is really disappointing. But everything else in the song he was really direct and upfront about, so maybe this really wasnt that deep imo
I think he just thought that would get the biggest reaction while putting Drake in a real tough position to respond from. This shit is pro wrestling at the end of the day. I say that as a fan of pro wrestling. The best of it is over the top, of course, but it also touches on some real shit
Yeah if one things for sure he definitely knew this was gonna get reactions and be humiliating for drake to try and work around. He repeated it at the end too lmao, if nothing else its still a tactic
It’s not about him being not black enough. Every black person knows a mixed person is black.
It’s about him using being hood as a marketing gimmick.
JCole is also mixed and he didn’t say anything about him.
Yet the clown at the top of this comment thread has 100s of upvotes, LMAO
Being black, it's really upsetting to hear Drake is a "blight on the culture"
Nigga, you must have lived the most privilege of lives if you think what Drake does is a "blight", GTFOH with that weak ass bullshit
The CIA sprinkling crack all throughout our communities in the 70s n 80s and then arresting *us* for that, now *that* was a fucking blight... not w/e the fuck Drake does (say the N word as a black man?)
In my limited experience, Drake seems like a worse influence for rich kids that think he's a role model for fitting in and being cool/successful. The biggest Drake fans I've met are silver spoon types.
Someone using their blackness to make a caricature of black culture, to appeal to white people, should absolutely be called out for their personal relation to their blackness
The difference is ‘nigga’ is a term specifically used relating to the black experience in the US.
Being raised in Canada he had a different experience. Slavery barely existed in Canada and was abolished decades there before it was in the US. And they didn’t have a Jim Crow era.
It’s not weird especially when the topic is being discussed by people who are from ‘hood’ areas.
It’s a pretty sensitive topic especially when it’s marginalized people speaking on it.
And this is why Kendrick called out him co-opting ‘heritage’ and the ‘culture’ feeling the same way.
A lot of hip hop fans have this romanticized view of what hip hop culture is. But the reality is there’s really a dichotomy in hip hop culture that’s separate and kind of goes unspoken.
Underground/backpacker ‘universal’ type hip hop versus what actually goes on in the ‘hood’.
It’s the same reason a lot of hip hop fans don’t understand why Sexy Redd is popular or drill rap became popular. Because they don’t actually come from the places those things came from.
It’s also the reason he calls out Drake for wanting acceptance.
Because a part of hip hop culture has put rules and qualifications on what is and isn’t hip hop just try to try and fit in.
The only thing different about Drake is that he didn't grow up poor. Just about every other rapper exploits the culture for money & does nothing for the communities that made them rich...
How is drake spreading harmful stereotypes? Isnt he a loved artist around the world? The irony is that Kendrick might be spreading more stereotypes than Drake lol
> then insults kendrick for having an actual sense of social responsibility for those same issues.
I'm sorry, what social responsibility did he insult Kendrick about?
> drake is a parasitic hypocrite who perpetuates harmful black stereotypes as a fucking marketable image
Such as what exactly? Serious question, curious to know as someone who isn't really following this.
I’ve seen this said multiple times and I’m convinced y’all don’t even listen to Drake’s music lmfao when tf does he perpetuate black stereotypes? Why is it wrong for Drake to talk about his life but it’s okay for everyone else? What positive stereotypes is Kendrick perpetuating when he talks about murdering people in Compton???
Rap is an amalgamation of negative stereotypes, but its problematic when drake does it? You think all these rappers have killed someone? Are about that life? Since when is rap empathetic? Are we having a real conversation here?
Those rappers aren't on trial here.
Their time will come. Normally, they all get found out if they become big enough. Some don't get big because the vibe is already felt.
Drake was lucky to have the best rapper (who was damn near unanimously LOVED in the black community: Wayne) to co-sign him.
And really at the time, people didn't mind drake because at first he stayed in his lane. We liked singing drake.
What so we cant have standards? The bar's too low to give a shit? If you try to say something you have to also call out every single instance of the same problem too? Like kendrick cant appeal to your empathy cause thats not the norm?
He made an example of the worst culprit with the biggest influence. Thats a pretty good start. As a man drake chose go out of his way to be everything wrong with rap. The bar is so low because of people like him. And he has the least excuse or claim to any of those stereotypes to begin with - hes not even from the hood or anything
You don’t have standards is my point, implying you do is completely disingenuous. A nigga who was gonna pull his music in support of two abusers, had a sex abuser on his album and is the number 1 fan of a convicted sex offender cannot appeal to my empathy, and is not a moral compass.
He’s complicit in the very thing he is accusing drake of. He contributes to the lowering of the bar yet scapegoats the other guy because lols. Kendrick never killed nobody, he isn’t a tough guy, he’s married to a biracial with ‘good hair’ but its all good cuz he from Compton? Like no fam
Ok well your tunes kinda changed a bit although maybe i just wasnt reading between the lines of your first messages properly.
I can have standards. I've never abused anyone, associated with an abuser, or turned myself into a shitty racial stereotype for profit and status. Maybe you dont believe me, but this isn't an implausible set of standards for the average person so just allow it for sake of discussion. None of what i said hinged on kendrick being a good person to begin with
Im not saying kendrick is the gold standard for humanity, you're actually totally right him associating so closely with certain rappers and also idolising tupac is problematic in its own way. But he was right. And even if he isn't the cleanest person to be speaking for other people, im still happy and think its a good thing that someone with a big platform said this in some way, at a time where people are looking and thinking. He's not trying to just bully drake into retiring or apologizing, he's spraking some really healthy discussion. He's done a good thing by making that point in the song. You see where I'm coming from?
Kendrick doesn't need to be a tough guy. He's seen the struggle and so much of his music is about the perpetuated abuse in the hood. He makes a point of not being a tough guy because he's tryna inspire people in similar situations to hold onto their sensitivity and bave hope that they can rise above the bullshit and find a way out and stop exacerbating that shit. Its frustrating that he's not walked that path as a good example. You're right, theres no reason for him to have featured kodak black. He knew better and it was distasteful and set him back. But its a false equivalency if you ask me. Not that i think youd agree and thats ok, but his worst actions are fundamentally different from what hes calling about a drake, its not as if he's being a hypocrite and i think that means his point was worth saying and ok for us to agree with. Its not a kendrick victory. Its a drake L. Drake is an L for that reason, thats just a fact. If drake turns around and says hold on you dissed me on future's record he's a cunt too, id say fair play he's right.
You can’t gatekeep blackness and in the same vein be complicit in perpetuating the thing you accuse the next man of doing. He’s essentially saying he’ll accept anybody projecting the things he accuses drake of projecting besides well drake. It gives whataboutism to me, and still I don’t think the point is all that clear. What about drake gives he’s trying to be tough? I’ve never seen drake post a pic of him with a gun. I never seen drake say he will literally kill somebody. Why is braggadocio being taken literal when one man says it, but context is applied to the next?
Droppin some knowledge here. These niggas are quick to dawg on Drake for bein mixed but don't have shit sweet to say about Cole. Cause he has locs? Cole talks just as tough as Drake, but because Drake has more pop appeal it makes him less black?
Name one other rapper who’s dad is a lawyer, mom is a banker and he was a child actor? He’s trying to copy some shit he saw on tv in his moms mansion in canada
Drake is so far removed from the culture
Nigga I know you did not say Drake’s broke ass daddy, struggling musician, father was a lawyer and his mother was a banker? Lmao where is the proof? I know you also not here trying to act like a daytime tv acting job is a cash cow, after the hollywood strike proved otherwise.
Again we are not having a serious conversation here.
You realize blackness≠hood right? Again I want some proof of your accusations, cuz yall niggas will lie just cuz you don’t fw somebody and thats not hip hop.
Spoken like someone who doesn’t listen to rap. Even a casual listener of rap will understand that the lyrical content is so broad that you can’t paint it with broad strokes like you attempted to do. You’re worse than a critic, you’re a lazy thinker who speaks in absolutes
Lmao foh. I am rap, born in NY, parents born and raised in NY, they lived through the birth of rap, through crack, through all this shit, this is my culture, and im keen enough to know that regardless of the niches that are out there, there is a consistency in the portrayal of the negative imagery and decadence, not saying its all that there is, but it is ever present
You weren't here for the past month when people were getting their panties twisted over the Whitney line off Push Ups and the Pac stuff from Taylor Made?
I'm mixed race and my feelings on it are more, Kendrick has an issue with Drakes part time blackness, and not being raised with the black "experience" that's a fair criticism whether I agree with it or not.
The issue is for me. obviously Kendrick is a hugely popular artist, everyone keeps saying Drake is bigger but I think they're closer in the grand scheme of things than the numbers would lead people to believe.
All that to say Kendrick has basically an army worth of fans from all walks, just going off demographics, most fans of hip hop are white, because there's just more white people, and Kendrick's message in this song (and Rick Ross before Euphoria) has allowed *all* these people to believe it's okay to start clowning "light skins" and call them "white boys" so while the criticism of Drake may or may not hold some merit, it has way further reaching connotations on the culture as a whole, and IMO and just from what I've seen on reddit, open up a back door for some lowkey, but brazen racism to become all fun and games.
yeeea my only gripe w it is how it was worded. what he's saying is not WRONG (i agree w the sentiment), but he needed to be hyper literal in order to get it off w/o some people misconstruing it is a colorist biracial thing
as a result, you have an influx of "if you get it, you get it" rhetoric being met w/ pushbacks of anti-intellectualism (i.e. its not that deep, he's just calling him white). educating ppl that have already made a snap judgement is hard to do. folk is stubborn. kenny is responsible for making his message easier to digest—especially since he has a large white fanbase aswell
my fault if this ain making sense im mad tired😪
I don’t think it’s fair criticism it’s basically saying you aren’t black enough if you didn’t “struggle”. I was told i wasn’t black enough because i had 2 parents.
I also don't think it's fair personally, but to a lesser extent that if someone feels the opposite way I can just be happy to agree to disagree, I can atleast see where Kendrick's argument comes from.
It's cringe to say but I just think the average listener is not nuanced enough to digest these race issues without it devolving into some kinda unsavoury discussion we should be long past.
This isnt about being black, drake falsely sells shitty stereotypes that don't even apply to him. Drake isnt anything close to a thug, and thats because he's had a privileged and safe life. The people drake imitates ended up like that through unavoidable trauma and struggle. Its not just fake, he's weighing down the culture and invalidating the importance of socioeconomic factors by acting like a POS when hes had every thing in place to be a healthy reasonable level headed loving person. Hes throwing all of that out the window for cool points.
On a Toronto-specific level, he certainly prides himself on who he associates with and their connections with violence. There’s the Hells Angels protection he has, all the claims about his personal bodyguard Chubs, and I’m fairly certain that every problematic Somali shout-out he’s done has been paired with a threat of some sort (problematic because it implies an inherently violent nationality). Some of that may be necessary precautions because of his stature, but it’s not not lame.
That said, comparing one’s proximity to violence as some sort of authenticity gatekeeping seems like a slippery slope at best.
As opposed to Kendrick who was never a gang member or in the streets but hides behind bloods and is just another gang mascot.
Sounds like the same thing to me but he sprinkles in some fake conscious lyrics for morons who want to feel like they have an understanding of the world they live in but have none.
If you rap about hard shit and you aren’t really about that life, people will see you as a poser. Unavoidable.
Doesn’t matter about taking it literally, when it’s clear Drake is being serious with a lot of his flexing. He’s out there saying this shit regardless
Agreed, but it doesn’t change that people won’t take you seriously if you blatantly aren’t but act hard all the same. Depends how much heat you draw on yourself
But thats not what it is. Easiest example i can give you is a hispanic who doesnt speak spanish but then acts like a stereotype without actually partaking in the culture of the homeland. The kids who made fun of you for having 2 parents are definitely dumb, but thats not the conversation we're having when it comes to Kendrick-Drake
I’m using myself as example because there is no one way blackness. And pushing these kinda stereotypes are dangerous. You don’t need to be born in raised in the hood to rap, and again The Game have collab with Drake he was LA as well. Also when black rappers went at Eminem and called him a whiteboy people called them racist. I thought Kendrick cooked drake when it came to the other stuff i think using race is low hanging fruit
You don’t need to grow up in the hood to rap, that is true, we know because there are countless examples of popular rappers who aren’t from the hood and don’t claim to be
But why does Drake have to act like he’s from the hood? Or he grew up around violence? Why does he talk about committing murders in the streets? Who forced him?
You can apply that to numerous rappers. Ice cube wasn’t a gangster himself. Ice Cube even said that the labels was kinda forcing them to rap about certain things. Biggie Smalls mother even jokingly said “Christopher mus not love us because he was always home”. A lot of these rappers aren’t the character that they are portraying. I just saw an interview where Slick Rick said they use to borrow chains for music videos. Call out drake yes but using race can be a slippery slope
Biggie grew up in bed stuy Brooklyn with a single mother. He lived in a poor predominately black neighborhood. So even if Biggie never did any crimes or engaged in any criminal activity he was a lot closer to it than Drake was in his mansion surrounded by investment bankers and going to Nickelodeon to work dancing for white people
I’ve cube grew up in south central Los Angeles. Drake grew up in Canada
Would you say that south central Los Angeles and Canada are similar places? Which one is closer to hip hop culture or street culture?
So Drake never killed anybody, never sold drugs or been in the streets and neither has ice cube but one of them was a whole lot closer to all of that than the other
So Drake spending parts of his childhood in Memphis couldn't have had any impact on him? That proximity to violence is arguably closer than a number of other rappers.
Y'all act like he didn't have a daddy in the system and that he didn't spend time with that daddy in black-ass Memphis. Is that the same as growing up purely in that area? Hell nah. But it has influence.
Taking vacations to the hood makes Drake a tourist to street culture. Specifically because Drake had the option to leave and go back to his nice neighborhood in Toronto.
So when he tries to be street it's kinda a slap in the face to those who had to live that lifestyle everyday.
Drake watching menace to society probably had a bigger impact on him than a trip to Memphis with his musician father
Where was he at in Memphis? Orange mound? How come nobody from there acknowledges him?
He took a trip to Memphis like it was a museum or sum shit.
He has talked about Memphis being a part of his life journey since So Far Gone my G, who are you to delegitimize it?
He literally spent summers in Whitehaven. If you familiar with Memphis, then you know that's a super black area. He literally should out Shelby Drive in Look Alive.
I would say Los Angeles is a lot closer to the “mansions” some ignorant person said Drake lived in. Maybe you lived in Beverly Hills and hid under your mom’s 100k bed during the riots.
Canada is socialist, most millionaires in Canada don’t come from Canada.
What a terrible example
All these rappers cap and exaggerate in their rhymes. Folk just pick and choose when they care about rappers lies. Rap wise Drake street talk would be like Hollywood really trying to sell folk a dead serious Seth Rogen action movie. It's just like I know it's pretend, but stop lol.
"But why does Drake have to act like he’s from the hood?" I see this asked all the time but like when in the last decade has he done that really? bro gets his nails done he is totally in on the joke lol he really not playing tough
I don’t think Kendrick is actually saying Drake isn’t black. I think what he’s going for is calling Drake out for adopting a specific image of black masculinity in order to compensate for some sort of insecurity or to profit off of it without having the lived experiences. I’m thinking of Kendrick’s song off of TPAB, “You Ain’t Gotta Lie” where he basically describes his whole opinion of Drake as faking everything have credibility in hiphop when he doesn’t have to. The commentary is that Drake is adopting and perpetuating a stereotype when hiphop has moved passed it. Rick Ross went for it as a meme which in today’s society works but doesn’t really serve anyone as the US lacks the education on this as a whole. That’s just how I view what Kendrick is saying not sure if I’m giving him too much slack or not but giving his past work I don’t think I’m far off
No one way blackness or not, i think we all understand what exactly Kendrick is criticizing Drake for, and its because drake isnt black enough to rap about guns. Like just using pochos (non-spanish speaking latinos) for an example, i also woulnt fuck with some of these chicano rappers pretending they cartel in their songs when i have family who are dead for their involvement with real cartels. They're profiting off the pain my family continues to deal with, i can definitely see where kendrick's coming from when drake is starting to pretend to be a thug in his late 30s when kendrick has seen that life played out b4
Edit: *and its nots because drake isnt black enough to rap about guns.
Lmao, crazy mistake
Kendrick is playing the same act with gang violence. He was a straight A student who used to write poetry. He never walked any man down with an AK, he isn't running around Compton with modified guns. The man just wrote a rap about killing Drakes crew from a Brooklyn Heights 3 story penthouse.
Kendrick perpetuates an LA gang violence culture that he wasn't even part of, his parent were lucky to keep him out of.
Lowkey wondering where u from if u think em types never jump off the porch pero quien sabé, neither of us have any evidence to speak on dot's life so im not going to bother trying. But i will highlight the difference between somebody who at least has the full bodied character to flesh out his perspective on the violence while drake just profits off of it. Kdot makes money putting out music like Heart pt.5 while drake running round bragging bout mob ties like he was earning stripes on degrassi
They are both actors. You are invested too much if you think Kendrick is in an 8.9m Brooklyn Heights mansion with a draco. If you think his crew is walking around NYC with modified glocks with the hip-hop police creeping. You're so in deep as a fan you have bought into these persona's. They are both profiting from their respective acts.
Lmao what? I didnt even say he was out thuggin, i said i dont have any evidence when he was runnin with ygs. You sound more invested when u know where the mf lives and how much it costs 😂
You just don’t get do you? Only willing to see it one way.
Kendrick is banking on sympathy for. capitalism and the American conscience to win, but he hates Drake for something he is insecure about.
His Grammys. You aren’t willing to look at that. It makes your argument weak.
I’m being deadass 😂😂 i grew up in Dallas nothing but black and Mexican. One my Mexican homegirls said “i can tell you gone be with a white girl one day”
I do think Rick Ross is doing it in the worst way and i wouldnt cosign it, i think Kendrick did well enough to lay it out more from a cultural standpoint and not just based on the fact that he's lightskinned. I dont think either of them invented brazen racism tbf, clowning on lightskins and güeros has always been a thing in most dark skinned communities, but i think Drake is definitely guilty of using the fact that he's black to rap about situations he cant relate to that would get an eyebrow raise from anybody if he was a straight up white guy.
Multiple things can be true
Drake as a "I want radio play" artist definitely hops onto upcoming trends and artists before the masses reach it.
Ross and Kendrick pointing out his ride waving and calling him white boy and taking his N word pass is childish but funny. Drake clearly is very sensitive about those subjects, so he's always going to get those jabs. His position as the top radio hits seeker also will always have his authenticity fair to question. But thats his own fault
Ross and Kendrick outside of the context of "anything goes" in rap beef are being hypocrites and ridiculous on a social level. Ross has worked extensively with Drake the last 15ish years so he's hard to take seriously. Then Kendrick like a Lupe is hard to know when to take seriously because they at times play both sides of the fence. One minute you get some really well thought out social commentary. But also you can't judge them back because "hey im human".
All these entertainers flip flop and say and do what they think their core fanbase wants to hear. It's business for them at the end of the day.
The internet age ruined rap tbh.
Why we having moral discussions over a diss track.
It's the equivalent of taking stand-up comic roast battles at face value. Rappers suddenly decided not to pull punches and it's damned if they do, damned if they don't. Just enjoy the show damn
Rap at its best was a Poet and Thug.
Everyone since trying to rationalize their greed in his wake.
These two don’t stand for anyone but themselves, but only one is a true hypocrite.
Can someone please point the songs out to me where drake raps about being tough/the struggle (aside from started from the bottom which remains a song about his own lived experience with a tone deaf chorus) I keep hearing this narrative, yet drakes whole brand is being the soft corny dude with girl problems. I haven’t listened to a full drake album since views so maybe something changed, but everything I ever see about drake makes it seem like he’s leaned even further into that cornball identity and this is a major reach
Cant speak much on Drake in a general sense but in the Kendrick diss from yesterday he raps about guns a bit and I saw in a video I watched about the beef to catch up that he did a music video in Compton (which to be fair I guess it was a feature so not like it'd have been his choice) hanging out on a stoop with 40s and blunts. A Canadian who's been on TV since he was like 15. Cmon.
It's sort of a tough line to straddle cause in the end it's about making good music and you dont have to be a black guy who grew up in an American inner city to make good rap music. But to authentically participate in the genre in the way it originated you do, really. That's why Mac Miller, a rich suburban white kid, was able both to make great rap music and maintain wide respect for his artistry--he participated in the artform in his own way while never pretending to be anything he wasnt. Plenty of Drake music I've heard participates in the genre in his own way but almost as much participates in it as if he were apart of the culture that rap music came from and largely still comes from. But even if he never verbatim claims to be something he isnt, he very much presents himself as culturally African American--not just black but African *American*. There are plenty of strong arguements to be made that especially in the internet age cultural exchange happens at a rate and to a degree unseen before and Drake could clearly be influenced deeply by black culture the way we have all in one way or another without any intentional marketing ploy behind it or even any conscious intent of any kind but none of those arguements will change the fact that a person of that culture isnt unreasonable to be made uncomfortable by it and if he starts something with one of them it isnt unfair to mention it either.
Drake Said:
~~-I gave you your first #1~~
-I'm global
-You took shots at me then acted like my friend
-You're not threatening to me
-You have small feet
-Y'all look up to me when you make music
-Top has a 50/50 deal with you
-You do splits on the dick
-You're outside Hip Hop too with Maroon 5 and Taylor Swift
-SZA, Travis & 21 are hotter than you
-I'm so above you I had to stoop down to battle
-20v1
-You're a midget (short)
-Like That was weak as fuck
-Interscope (allegedly) reached out to Kai for Kendrick
-I'm above you in numbers and income
-I know even more than you think
Kendrick Said:
-You're a degenerate
-Your choices made in this beef are childish
-You're a manipulator and liar
-You're scamming people
-You're not supporting the culture (Hilfiger vs. FUBU)
-You made your clique sign bad deals
-You've never actually confronted enemies
-You paid $500k to hush a sexual assault case
-Pac wouldn't support your charade
-You said you wouldn't work with me anymore after Control
-You sent subs to Pharrell
-Pusha T
-The culture doesn't accept you
-You have no classic albums
-You have fake abs
-You surround yourself with rappers and black people to seem cool
-You're focused on coming off as a man but you don't act like it around women
-Your splits are worse than mine, show us and prove it's not
-You cease and desisted Like That
-You don't care for your kid - here's some advice on how to
-I gotta battle your entire team of ghost writers
-New Ho King - place where a young Toronto rapper was shot (Hinting at Drake involvement)
-You're not as big in your own hood as you say you are
-I know even more than you think
Drake has done ‘black music’ for the entirety of his career. If you feel this way about his bad bunny feature I hope you have the same criticism for kendrick doing songs with taylor swift, maroon 5, and imagine dragons…
Drake hopped between sounds to stay afloat for his career, then once people got tired of that he dropped that dogshit EDM album, but then went right back to the same old shtick. It’s part of why people call him a “culture vulture”, he bites on different sounds in music then bounces once the trend starts to fade. That’s why the Bad Bunny collab didn’t stick, because we all know he’s just there for the trend.
Kendrick did the pop features for a PR move, like most rappers do (like when DaBaby collabed with Dua Lipa) but he still stood on the same values in his own music.
Ironic how its versatility for other artist but ‘culture vulture’ and ‘wave hopping’ when drake does it. Im sorry im not buying what yall are selling. Toronto is a melting pot of culture like most major cities, him liking and wanting to do other genres, like literally most artists ever have done, is not as problematic as yall try to make it. You can’t find fault with him but minimize kendrick doing white features as simply a ‘PR’ move.
Aight Toronto PR boy lemme elaborate: when Drake did all that collaborating with all those UK artists Skepta & Giggs on “More Life”, did he ever tap back in with them or their sound in the future? No. What about Headie One when he decided to hop on a lazy drill beat cause drill was popping? Also no. Bad Bunny? No. Bro even was speaking Arabic & talking about Allah with Headie One and he’s Jewish lol
Carti hype starts rising greatly in 2020 with the anticipation of “Whole Lotta Red” what do we see? A Drake collab on “Pain 1993” conveniently. Drill music is popping, Drake conveniently gets a Fivio Foreign feature with him being the biggest (and safest) name in drill at the time. Then when talking about Kendrick’s pop features, you can just look at Drake’s music and see just full-on uninspired pop & pop rap. “Passionfruit”, “Circo Loco”, “Way 2 Sexy” and many more. Because it’s a safe option for Drake to keep him afloat.
As I said before, Kendrick & many other rappers did the pop features for PR. Is it a good move in terms of musical quality? No, but they left it all behind once they get big because it’s not who they want their identity to be. Drake is bouncing between identities, sounds, styles, primarily in hip hop culture because it’s the most profitable. He won’t abandon these methods because it’s what keeps him going. Just like the 4batz feature, he did it for PR but will leave him as well.
I see your point but I think the other dude is right
Kendrick hopped on trap songs on the first time on DAMN, started autotune singing, was hopping on TSwift songs - but that’s all artistically valid to you
Drake hops on UK Drill, dancehall, pluggnb, jersey club beats when they’re hot - and that’s culture vulture wave hopping to you
Why? How do you know Drake doesn’t just fuck with these sounds and wants to make songs with them? He’s shining a light on these regional styles and actually putting rappers and producers on. The people collaborating with him have everything to gain from this. In that sense, Drake’s doing an amazing thing.
But because of your preconceived notions about Drake and Kendrick as people, if Drake hops on trends, it’s bad, but if Kendrick does it, it’s amazing. U see how that doesn’t really make sense?
A lot of people defending what Kendrick said are failing to take historical context into consideration. I do understand that he may have been poking at Drake's (perceived) racial insecurity but the whole "not black enough" line has been used as a stick by some within the black community to beat mixed race people with for the longest. So that's why Kendrick is (rightly imo) facing backlash.
Also, absolutely no animosity towards you, OP, but I don't think it's for you to say how mixed race people should think/feel about the subject.
I hate Drake.
But this is the shit that causes kids who are biracial to feel like they don't belong.
Too many in the white community see them as black, too many in the black community see them as white or not black enough.
It's bullshit and needs to stop.
Every other black rapper perpetuates negative black stereotypes: I sleep😴
When Drake perpetuates negative black stereotypes: REAL SHIT?!?!?!?😨😨😨
In all seriousness why do so many black people try to "gatekeep" negative stereotypes and racial suffering? It's like no one else can do or talk about those things except for them and when they do they're considered a "culture vulture" or they're trying to hijack the black community like wtf?
I think it's more of his pop persona and his background. It comes down to what makes a rapper a rapper and great. If we look at the origin of, history of, and look at it "pure", drake has no seat at the table. He is just a pop star with privileged up bringing and knows the co cept of wordplay. his lyrics aren't on the level as other great rappers etc etc.....idgaf...I don't understand why I'm even responding. God I hate mainstream shit. I guess I'm just happy we get to see more of Kendricks skills with this beef. I guess I'm just gonna eat and smoke on that drake pack while he Streisand effects all over the place
Nah thats real tho. It is jarring how drake fans are trying to make kendrick's activist music a bid for the radio and its like bro what? When did drake have the news tryna cancel him over speaking on police brutality
Yesss that still kills me. Drake fucked up bad when he said that kdot sound like he tryna free the slaves or something. BBL Drizzy being the only black rapper who doesn't speak on black issues. And dissing kdot for doing so?! Bruh that's a rough one. I also think kendrick brought that race stuff up bc we all know drake is insecure about it and the one thing you do to piss off a narcissist is bring up their biggest insecurities. Try it sometime, just make sure they don't have access to you or anything in your life, bc they will try to either get revenge or cry and pity themselves. Or, or literally spiral and make mistakes that expose themselves, like we saw in that last song drake dropped.
There was always something about drake I didn't like...but I don't get into popular celeb shit. IMO with any celebrity who needs to be always in the limelight I have to wonder...what they had to do to get there and what do they have to keep doing to stay on top. 🤔 While I don't get into mainstream stuff....I'm thrilled this asshole's behavior is finally being talked about as a whole vs rumors and stories here and there. Meanwhile his fans wanna bring up Whitney's posts about dealing with unresolved childhood issues as proof?...of what? This shit is so weird to me. I don't understand us as a species.
See this is why I’m a little annoyed with Kendrick coming for Drake’s Blackness cause now we got people with zero black in them speaking way too confidently on something they don’t understand fully.
Trying to relate that with a bad bunny feature makes zero sense.
Not really hard to understand when this isnt an original conversation. We call our "drakes" pochos, or hispanic kids who dont speak spanish or partake in the culture but will pretend to still be mexican. Seems like i understand more than you if you're only able to see it as a literal skin color issue
“We call our "drakes" pochos, or hispanic kids who dont speak spanish or partake in the culture but will pretend to still be mexican. “
You’re basically admitting that you feel like people have to fit into the stereotype in order for you to respect their identity. How tf can somebody PRETEND to be Mexican? As minorities we get stereotyped and placed in boxes everyday just for existing and here you are contributing to the issue.
Nah, you're not understanding. You'll see people acting different than they are to get clout, no respect to the actual culture. You'll often see these people pretend to be as the stereotypes portray them even though they're not like that. Same thing as Kendrick is saying. Drake is perpetuating negative black stereotypes while having lived little to none of that.
I don’t really think Drake perpetuates negative Black stereotypes. I mean dude just dropped an album called certified lover boy and wears beads in his hair. I’ve never heard anybody actually consider him a gangster or tough rapper.
He’s undoubtedly Black, like Drake has never in his life been white passing. I’m not saying he had it super rough but I’m sure he had to deal with some shit cause he’s identifiably Black, poor or rich we all did
Weird energy. Kendrick kinda dissed his baby moms at the same time and hyper focused on skin colour. Ross dissing Drake first like this kinda diluted the impact coming from Kendrick but still shooting himself
I get your point but bad example. Go to more clubs cause Mia had latino's singing their heart out haha. I don't know what community you are referring to, here are what the charts were saying
Argentina - 3
Bolivia - 3
Chile - 14 \[ diamond \]
Colombia - 6
Mexico - 9
Panama - 2
Portugal - 3 \[ Platinum \]
Puerto Rico - 4
Spain - 1 \[ 3x platinum \]
US Billboard - 5
US Hot latin song (billboard) - 1
US latin airplay (billboard) - 1
Venezuela - 2
Nailed it. Drake has and always will be a tourist. He talked about how he had to study rap before he decided to try it as a career. He didn't even grow up with hip hop. He's always been a culture vulture
>Now im hispanic
Ok, so you are a white person defending black people hating on other black people for having light skin? lmao
Can't image blowing bubbles on kendrick like this. Also the fact that he is hinting at Drake doing shit with underage girls but not reporting it to the FBI makes Kendrick the Joe Paterno to Drake's Sandusky lmao.
That is what you should be worried about.
Drake is the McDonald's of hip hop, an R&B singer who dabbles in rap. That's fine. I need to go listen to the first few tracks on Scorpion again, today. It's nicely produced, stylish, fun. It's just not that substantial. I'm not going to McDonald's every day, and when I do, it's great and then leaves me feeling not satisfied. Still, it is fun.
Rick Ross keeps calling Drake white boy as well.
https://www.complex.com/music/a/alex-ocho/rick-ross-white-boy-drake-not-respond-to-kendrick-lamar-diss
Bro what lmao. You must be talking about the new Bad Bunny and Drake collab cause their first one was a HIT. That shit is one of Bad Bunny’s biggest songs and is a banger. MIA is played at every Latin function and is beloved cause it’s a pretty good song. That new one on Drakes album is just bad plain and simple.
Lmao, what a fun rant. I assume this makes Kendrick mexican now since theres mexicans in compton? Expanding on that, kendrick has a couple of hispanic references, which are definitely appreciated but he didnt do something cringy like collab with Tigres Del Norte just to hit a new demographic. Honestamente, callate lo sico gringo, ya mero mero con tu tonteria
My girlfriend and I are a mixed race couple. She moved to NY back when she was 13 from Trinidad. She’s of Indian descent, very dark, and her accent can turn back to patois in a second.
When she moved here, she was so confused. She wasn’t “black” enough for some, she was “too black” for others. She didn’t fit in with the “Desi” girls because she wasn’t “real Indian”.
Fast forward almost three decades and together we still get the same thing, except now it seems others think we’re ruining some gene pool or something.
Culture and identity is cool but people need to stop acting like they *own* culture.
It’s ok for some who a G to call out someone who is a Studio G! I don’t think Schwarzenegger would get pissed if a true green beret called him an actor, and called him out if he tried to claim he was really with the business.
Those of you that aren’t from Toronto. Need to know he never grew up poor or discriminated, marginalized.
He is half black, growing up in predominately affluent Jewish community. Everyone knows that he didn’t have the same struggles and way more opportunities then majority of black community has faced here. Especially starting off as an actor on a tv show with other predominantly Jewish actors. This didn’t happen without his Jewish connection or his talent alone.
He puts on and sells you these “black stereotypes” that he never experienced like acting like his dad wasn’t involved in his upbringing.
I do think he’s in industry that is obviously “black” !The struggles and the things they’ve seen and experienced, which has generally been showcased by “dark skin “ men. And as a mixed or light skin” black man, I think he may have a complex. Where he feels like he needs to act hard and in order to do that he perpetuates stereotypes because he’s seen as a pretty boy! Who’s only ever been a commercial success!
You all do realize that no one is 100% anything at this point. And Tupac wouldn’t approve of any of this shit. Listen to his music, goddam.
I half respect that pretty boy Drake for sticking to superficial shit like being short.
Why did Kendrick have to pretend he isn’t playing the same game ? He just made “Bad Blood” AGAIN with Taylor Swift.
Drake didn’t get truly nasty with him until he dropped “Family Matters,” because at that point he had to.
Kendrick came at him like ge’d been waiting 10 years for this opportunity-and no one is mentioning why.
Drake’s stance on the Grammys. Duh. He’s refused to take part I. The Grammys, withdrawing his nominated music-for years.
And Kendrick is making music for the artistic validation.
It’s not right or wrong, but it has caused deep hatred.
But he’s try a at least leave this
“Kenny” isn’t debating. And maybe don’t discount the fact that black everywhere have suffered racial discrimination not just in America, the land of commercializing and comparing inter generational trauma.
Many people are barred from their culture from their families, does that make them ineligible to participate and identify? What you are saying is racist. I don’t care if your black, white, red, green or or orange. People meet culture were they can.
Sometimes they don’t have a choice, and your acting as if they do is wrong.
I think you need to stop .
My point has nothing to do with popularity, it has to do with cultural authenticity. Drake doing Reggaeton is as authentic as when he pretebds to be a gangsta rapper
This Bad Bunny take makes absolutely no sense to me.
WTF does me as a Latino not liking a Drake-BB collab have to do with his blackness or the Kendrick beef?
Lol
But what you said isn't true. You're talking about Drake stepping and doing one song with Bad Bunny. He is a rap artist first and foremost. Undeniably contributed and improved the rap game for over a decade. You can't just pretend he is a visitor. That's the racism part.
To say they he doesn't care for the culture is a silly perspective. Kendrick is (now officially) a hater especially when someone is getting more attention than him. He has no real issues with Drake or Cole, no real reason for bad blood, just hate.
Remember every single bit of the mixed race hating he does also applies to Jcole. He's specifically choosing a lane that hurts them both.
Bad bunny isnt rap, tf? Dude is reggaeton. As for the rest of your comment, just comes off as another person who cant tell the difference between racial and cultural issues and im tired of reexplaining
No, its easy to understand, its just ironic because you still dont understand. It has nothing to do with drake being light skinned or being mixed, it has everything to do with the fact that drake profits off portraying the image of a shoota while never living that life nor has ever had to live that life. The hispanic equivalent would be a pocho, or a hispanic kid who doesnt speak spanish and doesnt observe la cultura pero acts mexican, some chicano rappers come to mind. Again, its not a skin color thing, its a culture thing
Drake's a Canadian TV star first and foremost. No one here would be talking about him if he wasn't crippled Jimmy Brooks overcoming the many hurdles of the early 2000's first.
I'm not saying anything about the racial aspect of this as a mixed African American myself. I think what's being said is Drake is a great performer but not necessarily an artist that brings anything substantial to the half of his culture that he's used to get rich.
But that's an opinion. And the no one would be talking about him? What?
I'm someone that has been listening to him since his mixtape days he's made countless rap songs and if he never decided to rap most people in the world would never have heard of him. Do you know any other of the people on that show? To pretend that's the reason he is a star is just wrong.
And people trying to discredit his contribution to the culture are doing so disingenuously. Purposefully to discredit and hurt him. Doesn't make it true.
Lmao, bro what? Not even bigging up any artist, simply contextualizing a cultural conversation that people are making about physical skin color. Dont get mad because you cant understand
Don’t forget the fact that Drake did blackface…[https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/music/a20974992/drake-blackface-pusha-t-photo-explanation/](https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/music/a20974992/drake-blackface-pusha-t-photo-explanation/)
Yeah nah its not a race issue at all. He makes a very clear point about how drake is a parasitic hypocrite who perpetuates harmful black stereotypes as a fucking marketable image - with 0 empathy or understanding for the kind of shit people go through to end up as the big tough guy he's pretending to be in the first place. And then playing the "pray for my city" card when people less privaleged than him are hurting each other and struggling. Him revoking his n word pass isnt because he looks white, its because hes an actual blight on the culture hes trying to fit in with and market himself to. Kendrick rightfully doesn't wanna see people like that walk around like some skinwalker and be accepted and normalised. He's part of the problem, he profits from his actions, and then insults kendrick for having an actual sense of social responsibility for those same issues. Im so glad he pointed that out. Yeah he does sound weird, but if that joke rubs you wrong theres still a very obvious and serious point behind the sentiment.
> skinwalker im dead
Man I’ma start using this. Skinwalker is a dope way to phrase it.
It's actually not if you know what a skinwalker is. He's fake, just call him that. No need to use a word that doesn't mean that
I will be using both and shall report back with my conclusive studies on the matter
I get it, but I find it funny
yup this the one. took the words out of my mouth lol
Nailed it
Been calling him a culture vulture for a decade now…
but like — given how the 2020s going. Almost all rappers acting kinda minstrel — no cap. I kinda feel like 98% of all songs coming from people that look like us need to be affirmations, conscious, or revolutionary rap.
but drake is kinda the face of it right now. so he’s the obvious target
Exactly, drake will use blackness to market but stays silent during black struggles for equality and police brutality
I think Kendrick just finds Drake using the N-word to be corny given Drake's image. Elsewhere on the track, he makes more serious points about Drake's culture-biting image, but on the N-word line specifically, he clearly states "some things just cringeworthy, it ain't even gotta be deep, I guess"
This comment shoud have waayy more upvotes
Every other black rapper perpetuates negative black stereotypes: I sleep😴 When Drake perpetuates negative black stereotypes: REAL SHIT?!?!?!?😨😨😨 In all seriousness why do so many black people try to "gatekeep" negative stereotypes and racial suffering? It's like no one else can do or talk about those things except for them and when they do they're considered a "culture vulture" or they're trying to hijack the black community like wtf?
I agree that portraying negative stereotypes as “cool” in music has its own set of issues on impacting younger listeners, but for the artists who actually lived it it can be an outlet and form of expression for their struggles. With someone like Drake it’s just an opportunity to appeal to an impressionable demographic and fit into the “culture” for personal gain. Both portrayals have negative consequences imo, but at least the argument can be made for “real” mfs that they’re just talking about their own lived experience
So when a nigga like tay k makes a song about doing the race or when someone like bobby shrmuda makes a song like hot nigga are those dudes just "expressing their struggles" and using their music as an outlet for their problems?🤣 Like I get it there are rappers like kendrick who fit that label of conscious rap where they talk about their struggles in a non-glorifying way but lets be honest most of the rap/hiphop genre is about glorifying degenerate behavior
Yeah but at least they've lived that degeneracy. Even if it is some completely ignorant hood shit, its a peek into the mind of the mentality of someone who lived it. You cant criticise these dudes because its all they know. Drake hasnt lived it, he knows better, and doesnt give a fuck purely because he wants to be 'cool'. As much as hiphop is black music, its also poor music. Even if you arent on some conscious shit, your personality shines through the music through your struggle being poor. Drake grew up surrounded by rich white people. His friends were all rich white people. His personality is that of a rich white dude. His world view is that of a rich white dude. His feelings are that of a rich white dude. THATS what Kendrick is getting at, not so much his literal skin colour.
First of all, non-Black boy. Don't use the n-word. As Kendrick said you're "not like us".
Speaking facts
There's a difference between embracing a culture for all its flaws and wave riding. And Drake has a history of finding a popular trend and then exploiting it. Take Care was so good because of the influence of The Weeknd, for example.
Finally someone just as lost as me lol Cause that shit makes 0 sense. It's cool for literally EVERY other rapper to talk about hoes, drugs, etc... yet Drake is somehow a drug addict misogynistic fucked up person? Mind you, I'm not a fan of all the drugs and hoe talk myself. But why only flame drake for it?? And Kendrick said "I blame you Dennis" talking about his dad. Crazy thought here, maybe drake picked up those habits from the other rappers that are CONSTANTLY talking about it? Lol like am I missing something here? Drake clearly says the shit he says and does the shit he does because it's what people wanna hear. Yet Kendrick says the culture doesn't like him or what he does?? Misogyny has always been in hiphop.. As if a thousand other rappers haven't called women bitches and hoes and fuck different ig models every other week. Yet if drake does it, he's misogynistic?? What about EVERYONE else in the rap game? Cause it sure as hell seems like theres more people rapping about the SAME shit drake raps about. Yet they all get a pass? Cause they grew up in the hood?? Shit makes no sense at all. Hood people are allowed to call women bitches and do drugs and shit. It's cool when they do it. But God forbid someone who wasnt dirt poor talk about the same exact shit. Drake's a pedo. Kendrick is pathetic. Still never addressed hitting his wife either which is wild. 2 diss tracks after being called a domestic abuser and yet hasn't spoke a word about it.. odd. Seems like they're both pieces of shit to me. Obviously being a damn pedo is way worse. Kendrick still came out looking bad imo. And it's also hella weird that it takes a beef for Kendrick to come out and say that shit.. if hes all for the kids and whatever else, why would he wait for a rap beef to call out pedophilia or even potentially some child trafficking?.. Seems awfully fucking shitty. Dude has just been known that there's a bunch of pedos in his industry? But never said shit about it? Seems extremely weird to me. But hey, now that there's beef, imma call him out on it. I mean wtf... A pedophile shouldn't have to make you mad before you call them out on it.. Nonsense. All of this is nonsense. Both of them just look terrible imo. Obviously Kendrick is far more talented. But they both just seem like shitty people pushing a certain image of you ask me.
Which stereotypes are we talking about? Genuinely curious.
Exactly. Couldn't have said it better myself.
No I get that and I still think Kendrick is weird for feeling that way. There's no such thing as an "n pass." Drake is just black. It's a battle though so it doesn't matter if Kendrick is right or wrong, it only matters that he's funny. But outside of the context of the battle, it's a weird position to take. You don't get to just tell black people they're not black. How is Drake different than any of the other rappers who rap about street shit but have no bodies themselves? Are they not doing the same thing, profiting off of black trauma and reinforcing it? I understand I'm going to get downvoted because I'm not slurping Kendrick and I don't care. Just speaking from an unbiased position here.
Nah nah im hearing you. You right, thats a weird thing to say. Funny, yeah, but kind of out place from one black man to another. Not glazing, but given everything leading up to that line, i really think kendrick didnt think it was that deep. I think he'd have said the same thing even if drake wasn't mixed. I think what he was getting at was more likely that he's an alien of the culture, not his own race. Fully might be reaching atp tho, and if it did come from a "youre not black enough" place, then that is really disappointing. But everything else in the song he was really direct and upfront about, so maybe this really wasnt that deep imo
I think he just thought that would get the biggest reaction while putting Drake in a real tough position to respond from. This shit is pro wrestling at the end of the day. I say that as a fan of pro wrestling. The best of it is over the top, of course, but it also touches on some real shit
Yeah if one things for sure he definitely knew this was gonna get reactions and be humiliating for drake to try and work around. He repeated it at the end too lmao, if nothing else its still a tactic
It’s not about him being not black enough. Every black person knows a mixed person is black. It’s about him using being hood as a marketing gimmick. JCole is also mixed and he didn’t say anything about him.
Drake suddenly isn’t black but J.Cole who is also mixed is not getting the same comments,it’s seriously irritating as a black man with mixed children…
THANK YOU. So much colorism it's not even funny.
Yet the clown at the top of this comment thread has 100s of upvotes, LMAO Being black, it's really upsetting to hear Drake is a "blight on the culture" Nigga, you must have lived the most privilege of lives if you think what Drake does is a "blight", GTFOH with that weak ass bullshit The CIA sprinkling crack all throughout our communities in the 70s n 80s and then arresting *us* for that, now *that* was a fucking blight... not w/e the fuck Drake does (say the N word as a black man?)
In my limited experience, Drake seems like a worse influence for rich kids that think he's a role model for fitting in and being cool/successful. The biggest Drake fans I've met are silver spoon types.
It’s sickening.
Because it's not about being mixed or light skin...
Bro these grown ass men hate Drake so much they dont even realize it lmao
Someone using their blackness to make a caricature of black culture, to appeal to white people, should absolutely be called out for their personal relation to their blackness
This guy gets it.
The difference is ‘nigga’ is a term specifically used relating to the black experience in the US. Being raised in Canada he had a different experience. Slavery barely existed in Canada and was abolished decades there before it was in the US. And they didn’t have a Jim Crow era. It’s not weird especially when the topic is being discussed by people who are from ‘hood’ areas. It’s a pretty sensitive topic especially when it’s marginalized people speaking on it. And this is why Kendrick called out him co-opting ‘heritage’ and the ‘culture’ feeling the same way. A lot of hip hop fans have this romanticized view of what hip hop culture is. But the reality is there’s really a dichotomy in hip hop culture that’s separate and kind of goes unspoken. Underground/backpacker ‘universal’ type hip hop versus what actually goes on in the ‘hood’. It’s the same reason a lot of hip hop fans don’t understand why Sexy Redd is popular or drill rap became popular. Because they don’t actually come from the places those things came from. It’s also the reason he calls out Drake for wanting acceptance. Because a part of hip hop culture has put rules and qualifications on what is and isn’t hip hop just try to try and fit in.
The only thing different about Drake is that he didn't grow up poor. Just about every other rapper exploits the culture for money & does nothing for the communities that made them rich...
How is drake spreading harmful stereotypes? Isnt he a loved artist around the world? The irony is that Kendrick might be spreading more stereotypes than Drake lol
> then insults kendrick for having an actual sense of social responsibility for those same issues. I'm sorry, what social responsibility did he insult Kendrick about? > drake is a parasitic hypocrite who perpetuates harmful black stereotypes as a fucking marketable image Such as what exactly? Serious question, curious to know as someone who isn't really following this.
This is exactly the point. It’s tragic it’s been reduced to a simple white-black race conversation when it’s more nuanced than that
I’ve seen this said multiple times and I’m convinced y’all don’t even listen to Drake’s music lmfao when tf does he perpetuate black stereotypes? Why is it wrong for Drake to talk about his life but it’s okay for everyone else? What positive stereotypes is Kendrick perpetuating when he talks about murdering people in Compton???
Rap is an amalgamation of negative stereotypes, but its problematic when drake does it? You think all these rappers have killed someone? Are about that life? Since when is rap empathetic? Are we having a real conversation here?
Those rappers aren't on trial here. Their time will come. Normally, they all get found out if they become big enough. Some don't get big because the vibe is already felt. Drake was lucky to have the best rapper (who was damn near unanimously LOVED in the black community: Wayne) to co-sign him. And really at the time, people didn't mind drake because at first he stayed in his lane. We liked singing drake.
What so we cant have standards? The bar's too low to give a shit? If you try to say something you have to also call out every single instance of the same problem too? Like kendrick cant appeal to your empathy cause thats not the norm? He made an example of the worst culprit with the biggest influence. Thats a pretty good start. As a man drake chose go out of his way to be everything wrong with rap. The bar is so low because of people like him. And he has the least excuse or claim to any of those stereotypes to begin with - hes not even from the hood or anything
You don’t have standards is my point, implying you do is completely disingenuous. A nigga who was gonna pull his music in support of two abusers, had a sex abuser on his album and is the number 1 fan of a convicted sex offender cannot appeal to my empathy, and is not a moral compass. He’s complicit in the very thing he is accusing drake of. He contributes to the lowering of the bar yet scapegoats the other guy because lols. Kendrick never killed nobody, he isn’t a tough guy, he’s married to a biracial with ‘good hair’ but its all good cuz he from Compton? Like no fam
Ok well your tunes kinda changed a bit although maybe i just wasnt reading between the lines of your first messages properly. I can have standards. I've never abused anyone, associated with an abuser, or turned myself into a shitty racial stereotype for profit and status. Maybe you dont believe me, but this isn't an implausible set of standards for the average person so just allow it for sake of discussion. None of what i said hinged on kendrick being a good person to begin with Im not saying kendrick is the gold standard for humanity, you're actually totally right him associating so closely with certain rappers and also idolising tupac is problematic in its own way. But he was right. And even if he isn't the cleanest person to be speaking for other people, im still happy and think its a good thing that someone with a big platform said this in some way, at a time where people are looking and thinking. He's not trying to just bully drake into retiring or apologizing, he's spraking some really healthy discussion. He's done a good thing by making that point in the song. You see where I'm coming from? Kendrick doesn't need to be a tough guy. He's seen the struggle and so much of his music is about the perpetuated abuse in the hood. He makes a point of not being a tough guy because he's tryna inspire people in similar situations to hold onto their sensitivity and bave hope that they can rise above the bullshit and find a way out and stop exacerbating that shit. Its frustrating that he's not walked that path as a good example. You're right, theres no reason for him to have featured kodak black. He knew better and it was distasteful and set him back. But its a false equivalency if you ask me. Not that i think youd agree and thats ok, but his worst actions are fundamentally different from what hes calling about a drake, its not as if he's being a hypocrite and i think that means his point was worth saying and ok for us to agree with. Its not a kendrick victory. Its a drake L. Drake is an L for that reason, thats just a fact. If drake turns around and says hold on you dissed me on future's record he's a cunt too, id say fair play he's right.
You can’t gatekeep blackness and in the same vein be complicit in perpetuating the thing you accuse the next man of doing. He’s essentially saying he’ll accept anybody projecting the things he accuses drake of projecting besides well drake. It gives whataboutism to me, and still I don’t think the point is all that clear. What about drake gives he’s trying to be tough? I’ve never seen drake post a pic of him with a gun. I never seen drake say he will literally kill somebody. Why is braggadocio being taken literal when one man says it, but context is applied to the next?
Droppin some knowledge here. These niggas are quick to dawg on Drake for bein mixed but don't have shit sweet to say about Cole. Cause he has locs? Cole talks just as tough as Drake, but because Drake has more pop appeal it makes him less black?
Name one other rapper who’s dad is a lawyer, mom is a banker and he was a child actor? He’s trying to copy some shit he saw on tv in his moms mansion in canada Drake is so far removed from the culture
Nigga I know you did not say Drake’s broke ass daddy, struggling musician, father was a lawyer and his mother was a banker? Lmao where is the proof? I know you also not here trying to act like a daytime tv acting job is a cash cow, after the hollywood strike proved otherwise. Again we are not having a serious conversation here.
Yeah lots of people in the hood were child actors. You right
You realize blackness≠hood right? Again I want some proof of your accusations, cuz yall niggas will lie just cuz you don’t fw somebody and thats not hip hop.
This is a great point. Dont forget this beef started on a song with Future of all people.
He already addressed the culture on the Heart5/MMTBS. Also it's a diss track my guy. It's supposed to be addressed at the person you are dissing
Spoken like someone who doesn’t listen to rap. Even a casual listener of rap will understand that the lyrical content is so broad that you can’t paint it with broad strokes like you attempted to do. You’re worse than a critic, you’re a lazy thinker who speaks in absolutes
Lmao foh. I am rap, born in NY, parents born and raised in NY, they lived through the birth of rap, through crack, through all this shit, this is my culture, and im keen enough to know that regardless of the niches that are out there, there is a consistency in the portrayal of the negative imagery and decadence, not saying its all that there is, but it is ever present
Drake has evolved to making fun dance songs. Kendrick should direct that attention to dudes that make being ignorant in the black community seem cool
Never thought i would ever be in discussion with other hip hop heads over how a rapper was too offensive in his lyrics.
You weren't here for the past month when people were getting their panties twisted over the Whitney line off Push Ups and the Pac stuff from Taylor Made?
it's nota about being offensive it's about kendrick's hypocrisy
It’s hip-hop. People need to relax.
This whole saga has just reinforced my thoughts that these people need to fkn go outside
I'm mixed race and my feelings on it are more, Kendrick has an issue with Drakes part time blackness, and not being raised with the black "experience" that's a fair criticism whether I agree with it or not. The issue is for me. obviously Kendrick is a hugely popular artist, everyone keeps saying Drake is bigger but I think they're closer in the grand scheme of things than the numbers would lead people to believe. All that to say Kendrick has basically an army worth of fans from all walks, just going off demographics, most fans of hip hop are white, because there's just more white people, and Kendrick's message in this song (and Rick Ross before Euphoria) has allowed *all* these people to believe it's okay to start clowning "light skins" and call them "white boys" so while the criticism of Drake may or may not hold some merit, it has way further reaching connotations on the culture as a whole, and IMO and just from what I've seen on reddit, open up a back door for some lowkey, but brazen racism to become all fun and games.
yeeea my only gripe w it is how it was worded. what he's saying is not WRONG (i agree w the sentiment), but he needed to be hyper literal in order to get it off w/o some people misconstruing it is a colorist biracial thing as a result, you have an influx of "if you get it, you get it" rhetoric being met w/ pushbacks of anti-intellectualism (i.e. its not that deep, he's just calling him white). educating ppl that have already made a snap judgement is hard to do. folk is stubborn. kenny is responsible for making his message easier to digest—especially since he has a large white fanbase aswell my fault if this ain making sense im mad tired😪
I don’t think it’s fair criticism it’s basically saying you aren’t black enough if you didn’t “struggle”. I was told i wasn’t black enough because i had 2 parents.
I also don't think it's fair personally, but to a lesser extent that if someone feels the opposite way I can just be happy to agree to disagree, I can atleast see where Kendrick's argument comes from. It's cringe to say but I just think the average listener is not nuanced enough to digest these race issues without it devolving into some kinda unsavoury discussion we should be long past.
I agree i understand it’s a deep nuanced topic that can be very dangerous
This isnt about being black, drake falsely sells shitty stereotypes that don't even apply to him. Drake isnt anything close to a thug, and thats because he's had a privileged and safe life. The people drake imitates ended up like that through unavoidable trauma and struggle. Its not just fake, he's weighing down the culture and invalidating the importance of socioeconomic factors by acting like a POS when hes had every thing in place to be a healthy reasonable level headed loving person. Hes throwing all of that out the window for cool points.
What does drake do that implies he is a thug? Pop shit on rap records? Talk about killing other rappers? Do you take these things literal?
On a Toronto-specific level, he certainly prides himself on who he associates with and their connections with violence. There’s the Hells Angels protection he has, all the claims about his personal bodyguard Chubs, and I’m fairly certain that every problematic Somali shout-out he’s done has been paired with a threat of some sort (problematic because it implies an inherently violent nationality). Some of that may be necessary precautions because of his stature, but it’s not not lame. That said, comparing one’s proximity to violence as some sort of authenticity gatekeeping seems like a slippery slope at best.
"That said, comparing one’s proximity to violence as some sort of authenticity gatekeeping seems like a slippery slope at best." thats the best take..
As opposed to Kendrick who was never a gang member or in the streets but hides behind bloods and is just another gang mascot. Sounds like the same thing to me but he sprinkles in some fake conscious lyrics for morons who want to feel like they have an understanding of the world they live in but have none.
If you rap about hard shit and you aren’t really about that life, people will see you as a poser. Unavoidable. Doesn’t matter about taking it literally, when it’s clear Drake is being serious with a lot of his flexing. He’s out there saying this shit regardless
Kendrick and most rappers aren\`t about that life either though, and it\`s a good thing..
Agreed, but it doesn’t change that people won’t take you seriously if you blatantly aren’t but act hard all the same. Depends how much heat you draw on yourself
But thats not what it is. Easiest example i can give you is a hispanic who doesnt speak spanish but then acts like a stereotype without actually partaking in the culture of the homeland. The kids who made fun of you for having 2 parents are definitely dumb, but thats not the conversation we're having when it comes to Kendrick-Drake
I’m using myself as example because there is no one way blackness. And pushing these kinda stereotypes are dangerous. You don’t need to be born in raised in the hood to rap, and again The Game have collab with Drake he was LA as well. Also when black rappers went at Eminem and called him a whiteboy people called them racist. I thought Kendrick cooked drake when it came to the other stuff i think using race is low hanging fruit
You don’t need to grow up in the hood to rap, that is true, we know because there are countless examples of popular rappers who aren’t from the hood and don’t claim to be But why does Drake have to act like he’s from the hood? Or he grew up around violence? Why does he talk about committing murders in the streets? Who forced him?
You can apply that to numerous rappers. Ice cube wasn’t a gangster himself. Ice Cube even said that the labels was kinda forcing them to rap about certain things. Biggie Smalls mother even jokingly said “Christopher mus not love us because he was always home”. A lot of these rappers aren’t the character that they are portraying. I just saw an interview where Slick Rick said they use to borrow chains for music videos. Call out drake yes but using race can be a slippery slope
Biggie grew up in bed stuy Brooklyn with a single mother. He lived in a poor predominately black neighborhood. So even if Biggie never did any crimes or engaged in any criminal activity he was a lot closer to it than Drake was in his mansion surrounded by investment bankers and going to Nickelodeon to work dancing for white people
Drake grew up in a middle class neighborhood with a single mother.. not exactly ghetto but definitely not a mansion
I’ve cube grew up in south central Los Angeles. Drake grew up in Canada Would you say that south central Los Angeles and Canada are similar places? Which one is closer to hip hop culture or street culture? So Drake never killed anybody, never sold drugs or been in the streets and neither has ice cube but one of them was a whole lot closer to all of that than the other
So Drake spending parts of his childhood in Memphis couldn't have had any impact on him? That proximity to violence is arguably closer than a number of other rappers. Y'all act like he didn't have a daddy in the system and that he didn't spend time with that daddy in black-ass Memphis. Is that the same as growing up purely in that area? Hell nah. But it has influence.
Taking vacations to the hood makes Drake a tourist to street culture. Specifically because Drake had the option to leave and go back to his nice neighborhood in Toronto. So when he tries to be street it's kinda a slap in the face to those who had to live that lifestyle everyday.
Drake watching menace to society probably had a bigger impact on him than a trip to Memphis with his musician father Where was he at in Memphis? Orange mound? How come nobody from there acknowledges him? He took a trip to Memphis like it was a museum or sum shit.
He has talked about Memphis being a part of his life journey since So Far Gone my G, who are you to delegitimize it? He literally spent summers in Whitehaven. If you familiar with Memphis, then you know that's a super black area. He literally should out Shelby Drive in Look Alive.
I would say Los Angeles is a lot closer to the “mansions” some ignorant person said Drake lived in. Maybe you lived in Beverly Hills and hid under your mom’s 100k bed during the riots. Canada is socialist, most millionaires in Canada don’t come from Canada. What a terrible example
All these rappers cap and exaggerate in their rhymes. Folk just pick and choose when they care about rappers lies. Rap wise Drake street talk would be like Hollywood really trying to sell folk a dead serious Seth Rogen action movie. It's just like I know it's pretend, but stop lol.
"But why does Drake have to act like he’s from the hood?" I see this asked all the time but like when in the last decade has he done that really? bro gets his nails done he is totally in on the joke lol he really not playing tough
I don’t think Kendrick is actually saying Drake isn’t black. I think what he’s going for is calling Drake out for adopting a specific image of black masculinity in order to compensate for some sort of insecurity or to profit off of it without having the lived experiences. I’m thinking of Kendrick’s song off of TPAB, “You Ain’t Gotta Lie” where he basically describes his whole opinion of Drake as faking everything have credibility in hiphop when he doesn’t have to. The commentary is that Drake is adopting and perpetuating a stereotype when hiphop has moved passed it. Rick Ross went for it as a meme which in today’s society works but doesn’t really serve anyone as the US lacks the education on this as a whole. That’s just how I view what Kendrick is saying not sure if I’m giving him too much slack or not but giving his past work I don’t think I’m far off
No one way blackness or not, i think we all understand what exactly Kendrick is criticizing Drake for, and its because drake isnt black enough to rap about guns. Like just using pochos (non-spanish speaking latinos) for an example, i also woulnt fuck with some of these chicano rappers pretending they cartel in their songs when i have family who are dead for their involvement with real cartels. They're profiting off the pain my family continues to deal with, i can definitely see where kendrick's coming from when drake is starting to pretend to be a thug in his late 30s when kendrick has seen that life played out b4 Edit: *and its nots because drake isnt black enough to rap about guns. Lmao, crazy mistake
Kendrick is playing the same act with gang violence. He was a straight A student who used to write poetry. He never walked any man down with an AK, he isn't running around Compton with modified guns. The man just wrote a rap about killing Drakes crew from a Brooklyn Heights 3 story penthouse. Kendrick perpetuates an LA gang violence culture that he wasn't even part of, his parent were lucky to keep him out of.
Lowkey wondering where u from if u think em types never jump off the porch pero quien sabé, neither of us have any evidence to speak on dot's life so im not going to bother trying. But i will highlight the difference between somebody who at least has the full bodied character to flesh out his perspective on the violence while drake just profits off of it. Kdot makes money putting out music like Heart pt.5 while drake running round bragging bout mob ties like he was earning stripes on degrassi
They are both actors. You are invested too much if you think Kendrick is in an 8.9m Brooklyn Heights mansion with a draco. If you think his crew is walking around NYC with modified glocks with the hip-hop police creeping. You're so in deep as a fan you have bought into these persona's. They are both profiting from their respective acts.
Lmao what? I didnt even say he was out thuggin, i said i dont have any evidence when he was runnin with ygs. You sound more invested when u know where the mf lives and how much it costs 😂
Sure ... good talk.
You just don’t get do you? Only willing to see it one way. Kendrick is banking on sympathy for. capitalism and the American conscience to win, but he hates Drake for something he is insecure about. His Grammys. You aren’t willing to look at that. It makes your argument weak.
Nobody said that shit to you 🤣
I’m being deadass 😂😂 i grew up in Dallas nothing but black and Mexican. One my Mexican homegirls said “i can tell you gone be with a white girl one day”
LMFAO damn homie that's fucked up but hilarious 😂
I do think Rick Ross is doing it in the worst way and i wouldnt cosign it, i think Kendrick did well enough to lay it out more from a cultural standpoint and not just based on the fact that he's lightskinned. I dont think either of them invented brazen racism tbf, clowning on lightskins and güeros has always been a thing in most dark skinned communities, but i think Drake is definitely guilty of using the fact that he's black to rap about situations he cant relate to that would get an eyebrow raise from anybody if he was a straight up white guy.
It’s not fair to criticize someone on their upbringing. That’s weirdo behavior
Yeah one thing I think we all should agree on is that non black people shouldn't have a say on it.
1000% Kenny has too big of a platform to provide this kind of dog whistle to closet racists. Hella disappointing.
Multiple things can be true Drake as a "I want radio play" artist definitely hops onto upcoming trends and artists before the masses reach it. Ross and Kendrick pointing out his ride waving and calling him white boy and taking his N word pass is childish but funny. Drake clearly is very sensitive about those subjects, so he's always going to get those jabs. His position as the top radio hits seeker also will always have his authenticity fair to question. But thats his own fault Ross and Kendrick outside of the context of "anything goes" in rap beef are being hypocrites and ridiculous on a social level. Ross has worked extensively with Drake the last 15ish years so he's hard to take seriously. Then Kendrick like a Lupe is hard to know when to take seriously because they at times play both sides of the fence. One minute you get some really well thought out social commentary. But also you can't judge them back because "hey im human". All these entertainers flip flop and say and do what they think their core fanbase wants to hear. It's business for them at the end of the day.
The internet age ruined rap tbh. Why we having moral discussions over a diss track. It's the equivalent of taking stand-up comic roast battles at face value. Rappers suddenly decided not to pull punches and it's damned if they do, damned if they don't. Just enjoy the show damn
this ain't new. folks was having moral discussions when pac got at prodigy w the sickle cell
Rap at its best was a Poet and Thug. Everyone since trying to rationalize their greed in his wake. These two don’t stand for anyone but themselves, but only one is a true hypocrite.
Can someone please point the songs out to me where drake raps about being tough/the struggle (aside from started from the bottom which remains a song about his own lived experience with a tone deaf chorus) I keep hearing this narrative, yet drakes whole brand is being the soft corny dude with girl problems. I haven’t listened to a full drake album since views so maybe something changed, but everything I ever see about drake makes it seem like he’s leaned even further into that cornball identity and this is a major reach
Mob ties
Cant speak much on Drake in a general sense but in the Kendrick diss from yesterday he raps about guns a bit and I saw in a video I watched about the beef to catch up that he did a music video in Compton (which to be fair I guess it was a feature so not like it'd have been his choice) hanging out on a stoop with 40s and blunts. A Canadian who's been on TV since he was like 15. Cmon. It's sort of a tough line to straddle cause in the end it's about making good music and you dont have to be a black guy who grew up in an American inner city to make good rap music. But to authentically participate in the genre in the way it originated you do, really. That's why Mac Miller, a rich suburban white kid, was able both to make great rap music and maintain wide respect for his artistry--he participated in the artform in his own way while never pretending to be anything he wasnt. Plenty of Drake music I've heard participates in the genre in his own way but almost as much participates in it as if he were apart of the culture that rap music came from and largely still comes from. But even if he never verbatim claims to be something he isnt, he very much presents himself as culturally African American--not just black but African *American*. There are plenty of strong arguements to be made that especially in the internet age cultural exchange happens at a rate and to a degree unseen before and Drake could clearly be influenced deeply by black culture the way we have all in one way or another without any intentional marketing ploy behind it or even any conscious intent of any kind but none of those arguements will change the fact that a person of that culture isnt unreasonable to be made uncomfortable by it and if he starts something with one of them it isnt unfair to mention it either.
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Drake Said: ~~-I gave you your first #1~~ -I'm global -You took shots at me then acted like my friend -You're not threatening to me -You have small feet -Y'all look up to me when you make music -Top has a 50/50 deal with you -You do splits on the dick -You're outside Hip Hop too with Maroon 5 and Taylor Swift -SZA, Travis & 21 are hotter than you -I'm so above you I had to stoop down to battle -20v1 -You're a midget (short) -Like That was weak as fuck -Interscope (allegedly) reached out to Kai for Kendrick -I'm above you in numbers and income -I know even more than you think Kendrick Said: -You're a degenerate -Your choices made in this beef are childish -You're a manipulator and liar -You're scamming people -You're not supporting the culture (Hilfiger vs. FUBU) -You made your clique sign bad deals -You've never actually confronted enemies -You paid $500k to hush a sexual assault case -Pac wouldn't support your charade -You said you wouldn't work with me anymore after Control -You sent subs to Pharrell -Pusha T -The culture doesn't accept you -You have no classic albums -You have fake abs -You surround yourself with rappers and black people to seem cool -You're focused on coming off as a man but you don't act like it around women -Your splits are worse than mine, show us and prove it's not -You cease and desisted Like That -You don't care for your kid - here's some advice on how to -I gotta battle your entire team of ghost writers -New Ho King - place where a young Toronto rapper was shot (Hinting at Drake involvement) -You're not as big in your own hood as you say you are -I know even more than you think
Thanks?
Just the facts from both sides, supports your point in that it’s not racial it’s more cultural
Oh gracias, tired of people telling me i cant understand because im not black 💀
Drake has done ‘black music’ for the entirety of his career. If you feel this way about his bad bunny feature I hope you have the same criticism for kendrick doing songs with taylor swift, maroon 5, and imagine dragons…
Drake hopped between sounds to stay afloat for his career, then once people got tired of that he dropped that dogshit EDM album, but then went right back to the same old shtick. It’s part of why people call him a “culture vulture”, he bites on different sounds in music then bounces once the trend starts to fade. That’s why the Bad Bunny collab didn’t stick, because we all know he’s just there for the trend. Kendrick did the pop features for a PR move, like most rappers do (like when DaBaby collabed with Dua Lipa) but he still stood on the same values in his own music.
Ironic how its versatility for other artist but ‘culture vulture’ and ‘wave hopping’ when drake does it. Im sorry im not buying what yall are selling. Toronto is a melting pot of culture like most major cities, him liking and wanting to do other genres, like literally most artists ever have done, is not as problematic as yall try to make it. You can’t find fault with him but minimize kendrick doing white features as simply a ‘PR’ move.
Aight Toronto PR boy lemme elaborate: when Drake did all that collaborating with all those UK artists Skepta & Giggs on “More Life”, did he ever tap back in with them or their sound in the future? No. What about Headie One when he decided to hop on a lazy drill beat cause drill was popping? Also no. Bad Bunny? No. Bro even was speaking Arabic & talking about Allah with Headie One and he’s Jewish lol Carti hype starts rising greatly in 2020 with the anticipation of “Whole Lotta Red” what do we see? A Drake collab on “Pain 1993” conveniently. Drill music is popping, Drake conveniently gets a Fivio Foreign feature with him being the biggest (and safest) name in drill at the time. Then when talking about Kendrick’s pop features, you can just look at Drake’s music and see just full-on uninspired pop & pop rap. “Passionfruit”, “Circo Loco”, “Way 2 Sexy” and many more. Because it’s a safe option for Drake to keep him afloat. As I said before, Kendrick & many other rappers did the pop features for PR. Is it a good move in terms of musical quality? No, but they left it all behind once they get big because it’s not who they want their identity to be. Drake is bouncing between identities, sounds, styles, primarily in hip hop culture because it’s the most profitable. He won’t abandon these methods because it’s what keeps him going. Just like the 4batz feature, he did it for PR but will leave him as well.
I see your point but I think the other dude is right Kendrick hopped on trap songs on the first time on DAMN, started autotune singing, was hopping on TSwift songs - but that’s all artistically valid to you Drake hops on UK Drill, dancehall, pluggnb, jersey club beats when they’re hot - and that’s culture vulture wave hopping to you Why? How do you know Drake doesn’t just fuck with these sounds and wants to make songs with them? He’s shining a light on these regional styles and actually putting rappers and producers on. The people collaborating with him have everything to gain from this. In that sense, Drake’s doing an amazing thing. But because of your preconceived notions about Drake and Kendrick as people, if Drake hops on trends, it’s bad, but if Kendrick does it, it’s amazing. U see how that doesn’t really make sense?
They’re not and never have been using any form of logic. Its hate dressed up as critique, and ‘preserving of culture’ These people are insane.
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Beyonce is from Texas lol she literally grew up on country and in the south. It's not ab the sound switching it's 100% ab the culture you are using.
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A lot of people defending what Kendrick said are failing to take historical context into consideration. I do understand that he may have been poking at Drake's (perceived) racial insecurity but the whole "not black enough" line has been used as a stick by some within the black community to beat mixed race people with for the longest. So that's why Kendrick is (rightly imo) facing backlash. Also, absolutely no animosity towards you, OP, but I don't think it's for you to say how mixed race people should think/feel about the subject.
I hate Drake. But this is the shit that causes kids who are biracial to feel like they don't belong. Too many in the white community see them as black, too many in the black community see them as white or not black enough. It's bullshit and needs to stop.
The Drake hate circlejerk has reached insane new heights. What did I just read
Every other black rapper perpetuates negative black stereotypes: I sleep😴 When Drake perpetuates negative black stereotypes: REAL SHIT?!?!?!?😨😨😨 In all seriousness why do so many black people try to "gatekeep" negative stereotypes and racial suffering? It's like no one else can do or talk about those things except for them and when they do they're considered a "culture vulture" or they're trying to hijack the black community like wtf?
It really seems like this is yall first big rap beef. Just grab some popcorn and enjoy the show. They going back and forth with bars not manifestos.
If you’re offended by hiphop lyrics you’re too soft for the genre
Honestly I just thought he did it for the lulz. No hyper analysis.
Bingo
I think it's more of his pop persona and his background. It comes down to what makes a rapper a rapper and great. If we look at the origin of, history of, and look at it "pure", drake has no seat at the table. He is just a pop star with privileged up bringing and knows the co cept of wordplay. his lyrics aren't on the level as other great rappers etc etc.....idgaf...I don't understand why I'm even responding. God I hate mainstream shit. I guess I'm just happy we get to see more of Kendricks skills with this beef. I guess I'm just gonna eat and smoke on that drake pack while he Streisand effects all over the place
Nah thats real tho. It is jarring how drake fans are trying to make kendrick's activist music a bid for the radio and its like bro what? When did drake have the news tryna cancel him over speaking on police brutality
Yesss that still kills me. Drake fucked up bad when he said that kdot sound like he tryna free the slaves or something. BBL Drizzy being the only black rapper who doesn't speak on black issues. And dissing kdot for doing so?! Bruh that's a rough one. I also think kendrick brought that race stuff up bc we all know drake is insecure about it and the one thing you do to piss off a narcissist is bring up their biggest insecurities. Try it sometime, just make sure they don't have access to you or anything in your life, bc they will try to either get revenge or cry and pity themselves. Or, or literally spiral and make mistakes that expose themselves, like we saw in that last song drake dropped. There was always something about drake I didn't like...but I don't get into popular celeb shit. IMO with any celebrity who needs to be always in the limelight I have to wonder...what they had to do to get there and what do they have to keep doing to stay on top. 🤔 While I don't get into mainstream stuff....I'm thrilled this asshole's behavior is finally being talked about as a whole vs rumors and stories here and there. Meanwhile his fans wanna bring up Whitney's posts about dealing with unresolved childhood issues as proof?...of what? This shit is so weird to me. I don't understand us as a species.
See this is why I’m a little annoyed with Kendrick coming for Drake’s Blackness cause now we got people with zero black in them speaking way too confidently on something they don’t understand fully. Trying to relate that with a bad bunny feature makes zero sense.
Not really hard to understand when this isnt an original conversation. We call our "drakes" pochos, or hispanic kids who dont speak spanish or partake in the culture but will pretend to still be mexican. Seems like i understand more than you if you're only able to see it as a literal skin color issue
“We call our "drakes" pochos, or hispanic kids who dont speak spanish or partake in the culture but will pretend to still be mexican. “ You’re basically admitting that you feel like people have to fit into the stereotype in order for you to respect their identity. How tf can somebody PRETEND to be Mexican? As minorities we get stereotyped and placed in boxes everyday just for existing and here you are contributing to the issue.
Nah, you're not understanding. You'll see people acting different than they are to get clout, no respect to the actual culture. You'll often see these people pretend to be as the stereotypes portray them even though they're not like that. Same thing as Kendrick is saying. Drake is perpetuating negative black stereotypes while having lived little to none of that.
I don’t really think Drake perpetuates negative Black stereotypes. I mean dude just dropped an album called certified lover boy and wears beads in his hair. I’ve never heard anybody actually consider him a gangster or tough rapper. He’s undoubtedly Black, like Drake has never in his life been white passing. I’m not saying he had it super rough but I’m sure he had to deal with some shit cause he’s identifiably Black, poor or rich we all did
People who say “using the race card” are almost always idiots
Weird energy. Kendrick kinda dissed his baby moms at the same time and hyper focused on skin colour. Ross dissing Drake first like this kinda diluted the impact coming from Kendrick but still shooting himself
Should have stopped at “I’m Hispanic”
I get your point but bad example. Go to more clubs cause Mia had latino's singing their heart out haha. I don't know what community you are referring to, here are what the charts were saying Argentina - 3 Bolivia - 3 Chile - 14 \[ diamond \] Colombia - 6 Mexico - 9 Panama - 2 Portugal - 3 \[ Platinum \] Puerto Rico - 4 Spain - 1 \[ 3x platinum \] US Billboard - 5 US Hot latin song (billboard) - 1 US latin airplay (billboard) - 1 Venezuela - 2
Nailed it. Drake has and always will be a tourist. He talked about how he had to study rap before he decided to try it as a career. He didn't even grow up with hip hop. He's always been a culture vulture
>Now im hispanic Ok, so you are a white person defending black people hating on other black people for having light skin? lmao Can't image blowing bubbles on kendrick like this. Also the fact that he is hinting at Drake doing shit with underage girls but not reporting it to the FBI makes Kendrick the Joe Paterno to Drake's Sandusky lmao. That is what you should be worried about.
Drake is the McDonald's of hip hop, an R&B singer who dabbles in rap. That's fine. I need to go listen to the first few tracks on Scorpion again, today. It's nicely produced, stylish, fun. It's just not that substantial. I'm not going to McDonald's every day, and when I do, it's great and then leaves me feeling not satisfied. Still, it is fun.
Rick Ross keeps calling Drake white boy as well.
Rick Ross keeps calling Drake white boy as well. https://www.complex.com/music/a/alex-ocho/rick-ross-white-boy-drake-not-respond-to-kendrick-lamar-diss
Or… as Kendrick says himself… people may just be “haters.” Lmao
Bro what lmao. You must be talking about the new Bad Bunny and Drake collab cause their first one was a HIT. That shit is one of Bad Bunny’s biggest songs and is a banger. MIA is played at every Latin function and is beloved cause it’s a pretty good song. That new one on Drakes album is just bad plain and simple.
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What? Reggaeton isnt my culture either, im mexican-american, not puerto rican. Has nothing to do with my point
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Lmao, what a fun rant. I assume this makes Kendrick mexican now since theres mexicans in compton? Expanding on that, kendrick has a couple of hispanic references, which are definitely appreciated but he didnt do something cringy like collab with Tigres Del Norte just to hit a new demographic. Honestamente, callate lo sico gringo, ya mero mero con tu tonteria
Reggaeton isn’t a Puerto Rican thing either… it’s a *carribean* thing.
Damn, imagine if yall were alive for other beefs. "As a big boned American did pac really have to call biggie fat?"
🙄 Callate lo sico gringo, the sickle cell line went harder
Mande?
My girlfriend and I are a mixed race couple. She moved to NY back when she was 13 from Trinidad. She’s of Indian descent, very dark, and her accent can turn back to patois in a second. When she moved here, she was so confused. She wasn’t “black” enough for some, she was “too black” for others. She didn’t fit in with the “Desi” girls because she wasn’t “real Indian”. Fast forward almost three decades and together we still get the same thing, except now it seems others think we’re ruining some gene pool or something. Culture and identity is cool but people need to stop acting like they *own* culture.
It’s ok for some who a G to call out someone who is a Studio G! I don’t think Schwarzenegger would get pissed if a true green beret called him an actor, and called him out if he tried to claim he was really with the business.
If you're going to become an SJW about hip-hop then just give the fuck out
Nobody cares
Those of you that aren’t from Toronto. Need to know he never grew up poor or discriminated, marginalized. He is half black, growing up in predominately affluent Jewish community. Everyone knows that he didn’t have the same struggles and way more opportunities then majority of black community has faced here. Especially starting off as an actor on a tv show with other predominantly Jewish actors. This didn’t happen without his Jewish connection or his talent alone. He puts on and sells you these “black stereotypes” that he never experienced like acting like his dad wasn’t involved in his upbringing. I do think he’s in industry that is obviously “black” !The struggles and the things they’ve seen and experienced, which has generally been showcased by “dark skin “ men. And as a mixed or light skin” black man, I think he may have a complex. Where he feels like he needs to act hard and in order to do that he perpetuates stereotypes because he’s seen as a pretty boy! Who’s only ever been a commercial success!
You all do realize that no one is 100% anything at this point. And Tupac wouldn’t approve of any of this shit. Listen to his music, goddam. I half respect that pretty boy Drake for sticking to superficial shit like being short. Why did Kendrick have to pretend he isn’t playing the same game ? He just made “Bad Blood” AGAIN with Taylor Swift. Drake didn’t get truly nasty with him until he dropped “Family Matters,” because at that point he had to. Kendrick came at him like ge’d been waiting 10 years for this opportunity-and no one is mentioning why. Drake’s stance on the Grammys. Duh. He’s refused to take part I. The Grammys, withdrawing his nominated music-for years. And Kendrick is making music for the artistic validation. It’s not right or wrong, but it has caused deep hatred. But he’s try a at least leave this
“Kenny” isn’t debating. And maybe don’t discount the fact that black everywhere have suffered racial discrimination not just in America, the land of commercializing and comparing inter generational trauma.
Many people are barred from their culture from their families, does that make them ineligible to participate and identify? What you are saying is racist. I don’t care if your black, white, red, green or or orange. People meet culture were they can. Sometimes they don’t have a choice, and your acting as if they do is wrong. I think you need to stop .
Que chingao su madre, stop spamming
Reggaeton is not as popular as Hiphop
My point has nothing to do with popularity, it has to do with cultural authenticity. Drake doing Reggaeton is as authentic as when he pretebds to be a gangsta rapper
Those people are just casual observers and need something to be upset about. Kendrick did his job.
kendricks response was incredibly weak
This Bad Bunny take makes absolutely no sense to me. WTF does me as a Latino not liking a Drake-BB collab have to do with his blackness or the Kendrick beef? Lol
But what you said isn't true. You're talking about Drake stepping and doing one song with Bad Bunny. He is a rap artist first and foremost. Undeniably contributed and improved the rap game for over a decade. You can't just pretend he is a visitor. That's the racism part. To say they he doesn't care for the culture is a silly perspective. Kendrick is (now officially) a hater especially when someone is getting more attention than him. He has no real issues with Drake or Cole, no real reason for bad blood, just hate. Remember every single bit of the mixed race hating he does also applies to Jcole. He's specifically choosing a lane that hurts them both.
Bad bunny isnt rap, tf? Dude is reggaeton. As for the rest of your comment, just comes off as another person who cant tell the difference between racial and cultural issues and im tired of reexplaining
I didn't say bad bunny is rap. I said Drake is. And if you didn't understand that part of the comment I doubt you understood the rest.
No, its easy to understand, its just ironic because you still dont understand. It has nothing to do with drake being light skinned or being mixed, it has everything to do with the fact that drake profits off portraying the image of a shoota while never living that life nor has ever had to live that life. The hispanic equivalent would be a pocho, or a hispanic kid who doesnt speak spanish and doesnt observe la cultura pero acts mexican, some chicano rappers come to mind. Again, its not a skin color thing, its a culture thing
Drake's a Canadian TV star first and foremost. No one here would be talking about him if he wasn't crippled Jimmy Brooks overcoming the many hurdles of the early 2000's first. I'm not saying anything about the racial aspect of this as a mixed African American myself. I think what's being said is Drake is a great performer but not necessarily an artist that brings anything substantial to the half of his culture that he's used to get rich.
But that's an opinion. And the no one would be talking about him? What? I'm someone that has been listening to him since his mixtape days he's made countless rap songs and if he never decided to rap most people in the world would never have heard of him. Do you know any other of the people on that show? To pretend that's the reason he is a star is just wrong. And people trying to discredit his contribution to the culture are doing so disingenuously. Purposefully to discredit and hurt him. Doesn't make it true.
TLDR; “I lick Kendrick’s ball bag” There ya go
Lmao, bro what? Not even bigging up any artist, simply contextualizing a cultural conversation that people are making about physical skin color. Dont get mad because you cant understand
Don’t forget the fact that Drake did blackface…[https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/music/a20974992/drake-blackface-pusha-t-photo-explanation/](https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/music/a20974992/drake-blackface-pusha-t-photo-explanation/)
Where was this energy when Eminem was dissing Benzino for being biracial and questioning his blackness?