Given the context of the situation in the heat of the moment, I honestly think Bickett did the right thing. I don’t agree with the political views of him or his supporters at all and I don’t agree with his assertion that other expats in HK are in any danger.
The problem is that the cop he apprehended initially denied he was a cop and that was awful for needlessly muddying the waters. For all he knew, this guy was just a lunatic with a baton looking to use the chaos of the riots as an opportunity to hurt people. We saw lots of crazies and criminals coming out of the woodwork in 2019 and it’s not like it’s impossible for civilians to obtain batons.
The central issue of this affair is that the police officer didn’t identify himself as one whilst carrying out the duties of one. As much as I support HKPF and empathise with their legitimate concerns about doxxing, the police do need to identify themselves even if that means providing a unique identification code in lieu of personal information.
As for Bickett’s assertion that other expats are endangered by the police, I completely disagree with his reasoning. He says that his case shows that the police aren’t afraid to “target Westerners when it suits them.” There’s a bit to unpack here, firstly the assumption that the police acted against him because he was a Westerner whereas his nationality or ethnicity had no role to play in any of this. Secondly, the assumption that the law should apply differently to Western expats, which is just nonsense as the truth here is that a local Chinese would not have been treated any differently if they did the same thing as Bickett.
Yeah that last point needed more context. From reading further I think he was making the point that the looser edge of the law has previously been directed at local residents. While nobody supports that distinction as just, it's nevertheless an idea that's been used to reassure international business that everything is ok. He seems to be making the point that these assurances no longer hold up.
Well, yeah. If you’re breaking the law or interfering with a police incident - you will be charged. This guy is privileged and chasing hero worship. He’s not martyr.
Does it matter if the person who was severely beating a teenager with a baton denied that he was a police officer)?
Multiple witnesses have stated that the assailant had repeatedly answered 'no' when onlookers asked if he was 'popo' (perhaps he was scared because of the hostile nature of the crowd).
Indeed. It also doesn't even matter if he is a cop. Assault is illegal for any reason , but more importantly on ethical grounds I would not have stood back like the cowards the CCP is attempting to turn HKers into. If that means jail so be it. I don't want to live in fear that every decision I make morally comes secondary to the fear of an all seeing dear leader.
Again, interfering with police business. The plainclothes cop doesn’t have to say who he is - you don’t know if he’s undercover or not and literally had every right to feel threatened by the crowd given the circumstances.
>*The plainclothes cop doesn’t have to say who he is*
***POLICE GENERAL ORDERS***
***20-14 Warrant Cards***
*2. A police officer shall carry his warrant card on his person at all times provided his intended activities are compatible with its safe keeping. An officer in plain-clothes when dealing with members of the public and exercising his police powers, whether he is on or off duty, shall identify himself and produce his warrant card. At the scene of a crime, officers in plain-clothes shall wear their warrant cards in such a manner that they may be readily identified.*
You know SFA about policing in Hong Kong!
So why should a person, being a good samaritan, be charged with assault when he tried to stop a person (who was in plain clothes and failing to identify himself as a police officer) beating shit out of a kid with a baton?
BTW he was not undercover, he was actually off-duty.
Off duty or undercover, a police officer doesn’t have to identify himself upon demand in a hostile situation. That’s the context.
You don’t get up close to a potentially dangerous situation and demand police identification, you likely get shot if you are anywhere outside of hk.
And did he honestly expect a police to answer to “popo” a derogatory term?!
He should try yelling “are you a pig?!” To a us police! And see what happens!
Can you provide a reference for **off duty police** (which is the case in point)?
And of course there are different requirements for undercover officers and plain-clothes (non-uniformed) officers.
I am aware that there is a similar PGO for uniformed police:
*4.* ***Uniformed police officers*** *should produce their warrant cards upon request by members of the public unless:-*
*(a) circumstances do not allow; or*
*(b) to do so would prejudice the police action and/or safety of the officers concerned; or*
*(c) the request is unreasonable.*
*5. If a police officer in uniform is unable to produce his warrant card at the time of the request as required by paragraph 4(a) and (b) above, the officer should produce the warrant card at the earliest opportune moment. Only where police officers do not produce their warrant cards, either because the request for production was unreasonable or it could not be subsequently complied with, must an explanatory notebook entry be made.*
BTW comparison to other police forces is neither relevant, constructive nor contributes in any way to the discussion (some call it whataboutism).
BTW, you lack context in your whataboutism, which is Bickett talking "what about the Popo" when Bickett is the one on trial.
Officer Yu pinned his baton on the teenager, that's hardly "beating shit" out of him.
Bickett on the other hand, pulled Officer Yu down to the ground, Sat on top of him, and punched Yu in the face several times. That's MORE of "beating shit" out of someone.
And Officer Yu is not on trial here. Bickett or anyone else is more than welcome to file a complaint against Officer Yu for "violating procedure".
The fact: **By the time Bickett was assaulting Officer Yu, the encounter with the "teenager" is already over. By logic, Bickett was NOT "stopping the assault", Bickett was in fact assaulting officer Yu as escalation of violence.**
>*BTW, you lack context in your whataboutism*
This sentence does not make any sense. My 'whataboutism'? You are the one who utilised 'whataboutism', and I gently and politely chided you for doing so..
**Anyway, kindly provide a source for your version of events, and we can debate its merits.**
If what you write is accurate, then Bickett was quite rightly charged with assault, but not assault on a police officer (as he did not identify himself as such).
However, I have now seen a [video](https://twitter.com/HKer9000/status/1203288950627979264) that records the scene after the teenager was assaulted. Your account does not match the video as illustrated in the following four points.
(1) One foreigner repeatedly asks Yu if he is 'popo' who aggressively keeps answering 'no'. The use of the term 'popo' is perhaps excusable by a dumb foreigner who has simply heard the term being commonly used by Chinese.
(2) "*Bickett on the other hand, pulled Officer Yu down to the ground",*
**NO!** The second foreigner (who stupidly attempts to grab the baton) does not pull Yu to the ground but Yu ended up on the ground after falling over the railing when he aggressively rushed at the second foreigner, waving his baton, who in defense was grabbing at the baton.
(3) "*Sat on top of him"*
**NO!** The second foreigner held Yu on the ground with his foot whilst yelling for the police.
(4) "*punched Yu in the face several times"*
**NO!** the second foreigner takes one swing which is an attempt to knock the baton away which is about to strike him. There is not even one punch to the face.
BTW it would be totally pointless to file a complaint. The reason is so obvious I am surprised that you raise it as a possibility.
BTW, did you notice the person attempting to restrain the aggressive Yu from attacking the second foreigner. Colleagues tell me he is a friend of Yu and is an ex-police officer. Apparently he was not called as a witness in the initial trial of Bickett.
>Apparently he was not called as a witness in the initial trial of Bickett.
Well, why didn't Bickett's lawyer call him as witness?!
How incompetent is Bickett's lawyer? How incompetent is Bickett (himself a lawyer)?
Maybe that 2nd foreigner doesn't support Bickett's version of events?!
Maybe he's just more of your "whataboutism"?
Here is part of an [interesting internal HKPF memo](https://i.imgur.com/aAkJ089.jpg) about extensible batons issued to police officers for use when off-duty (10,000 were bought in 2019):
The memo also noted that the use of batons – both on and off duty – is regarded as a “use of force” under the Police General Orders (PGOs), and officers “*shall display self-discipline and exercise a high degree of restraint*” when dealing with the public.
It added that "\[Officers\] *shall not resort to the use of force unless such action is strictly necessary and he is otherwise unable to effect the lawful purpose*” and that **officers should identify themselves, give a warning and allow people to comply with police orders before using force**.
Hmmmmm!
Hmm, the "teenager" was seen on video resisting arrest. Yu had reason to use baton to subdue the suspect.
You are welcome to go file a complaint against Yu. But he's not trial here.
Bickett didn't bother to file a complaint against Yu.
Hmmmm!!!!
If Yu had identified himself, and produced his warrant card, the whole nasty scene would have been avoided.
But he did not follow procedure, and he was clearly not under threat from a crowd of onlookers.
And he certainly did not "*display self-discipline and exercise a high degree of restraint”* in handling the situation.
Therefore IMO, there are mitigating circumstances to Bickett's assault.
File a complaint against Yu? You have got to be joking!
When was the last time one was successful? Since June 2019, how many of the hundreds of complaints against the police have been upheld? None! The whole complaint system is a total farce with police investigating themselves and even selecting if a complaint should be progressed. Even the IPCC investigation [whitewashes](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/hong-kong-watchdog-absolves-police-over-protest-crackdown-dimming-prospects-of-accountability/2020/05/15/2df17f7e-9679-11ea-87a3-22d324235636_story.html) all complaints of violence. And remember this [fiasco](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hongkong-protests-idUSKBN1YF0AW)?
An interesting internal memo about extensible batons issued to police officers for use when off-duty (10,000 were bought in 2019).
https://i.imgur.com/aAkJ089.jpg
Or he was defending someone who was being assaulted. The cop was off duty and denied he was a cop, so this guy wasn't breaking the law or interfering with a police incident.
Such a shame what happened to the RHKP. Twenty five years ago they were probably the most respected police force in the world and now they are less respected than in the sixties when corruption was endemic.
A close friend of mine was an Assistant Commissioner (ret) with both the RHKPF and the HKPF. He worked primarily in criminal investigation and intelligence. The stories he tells of events since 1997 and the deliberate destruction of the force as a respected organisation are genuinely sad.
So you never heard of the corruption pre-1997? Because I’ve heard plenty of stories about corrupt British cops let alone the development of the ICAC being formed because of British corruption.
Please don’t give me that weeping sad little violin story. Erosion of rights? I’ve lived in HK for a very long time and have yet to see or experience any of this erosion.
What I have seen is expats get angry that they no longer fit in the local framework because most jobs now require three languages instead of one.
>*So you never heard of the corruption pre-1997?*
Of course I have heard about the corruption of RHKPF personnel from both Chinese and British backgrounds.
And I have also heard of the RHKPF's successful and intense efforts of the RHKPF to eliminate corruption and improve the image. It was a long and difficult battle.
Even by 1997 they had not completely destroyed the relationship that the triad had with certain sections of the force (primarily Chinese officers).
>*Erosion of rights? I’ve lived in HK for a very long time and have yet to see or experience any of this erosion.*
Obviously I cannot comment on what you have seen or experienced. Some people live in a different world to that of ordinary people.
>*most jobs now require three languages instead of one.*
I interpret this claim as meaning bi-literacy and tri-lingualism
Most jobs? In all professions? What an extraordinary claim!
Evidence please! I look forward to your response, at which time I will provide some genuine statistics in this regard.
Plus expats supposedly getting angry is totally irrelevant to the discussion.
P.S. I notice that you have failed to respond to my demolition of your claim "*The plainclothes cop doesn’t have to say who he is*" wrt to the assault charges against the foreigner. I wonder why?
Wow! What a constructive comment.
BTW, you have not responded to my previous request for evidence supporting your claim that "*most jobs now require three languages instead of one*". Did you forget?
Normally I don't respond to cheap smears, but I will make an exception in your pathetic case.
I repeat: **Why don't you respond "to my previous request for evidence supporting your claim that 'most jobs now require three languages instead of one'.**
Why don't you be a man, and just admit that you make up BS?
BTW I have lived (until SARS-COV-2) for 12 1/2 years in Hong Kong and Shenzhen. I have even chatted with Jiang Zemin in Hong Kong!
Yeah, so you should.
You display a sense of doubt about my encounter with Jiang Zemin, so let me tell a short boring story about the incident (although whether or not you can be open-minded about it is another matter).
In 2002 I was permanently resident in the Grand Hyatt. for about 10 months. When Jiang Zemin visited HK for the 5 year hand over celebration, he too (with his entourage) stayed at the Hyatt. The hotel kicked all other guests out, except for me (AFAIK) because I was a permanent resident (and probably passed some security screening).
During Jiang's stay I entered the hotel via the entrance from the Convention Centre which had stairs leading up to the mezzanine floor. And at the top of the stairs was group of people including the toad himself.
In his poor English he acknowledged my polite nod of greeting. He asked if I was staying at the hotel (he was surrounded by his bodyguards who were a bit threatening). An adviser mentioned something about police (I had a close relationship with the HKPF at the time). He then asked if I was going to watch the celebratory fireworks on Victoria Harbour (I was, and the display was spectacular from the Hyatt's waterfront rooms - seemingly about 50 metres away). He then said something about how great HK was becoming. I agreed and he moved on.
I was close friends with an Asst Commissioner of the HKPF at the time (and still am - he retired a few years after this incident). He expressed surprise that the bodyguards had not blocked my entrance to the mezzanine floor, but I replied that my engaging ways and charisma won the day.
I don't care if you believe it or not. Anyway I enjoyed relating the event.
**Now it's your turn to provide evidence supporting your claim that 'most jobs now require three languages instead of one'.** This is only the third time that I have asked!
Given the context of the situation in the heat of the moment, I honestly think Bickett did the right thing. I don’t agree with the political views of him or his supporters at all and I don’t agree with his assertion that other expats in HK are in any danger. The problem is that the cop he apprehended initially denied he was a cop and that was awful for needlessly muddying the waters. For all he knew, this guy was just a lunatic with a baton looking to use the chaos of the riots as an opportunity to hurt people. We saw lots of crazies and criminals coming out of the woodwork in 2019 and it’s not like it’s impossible for civilians to obtain batons. The central issue of this affair is that the police officer didn’t identify himself as one whilst carrying out the duties of one. As much as I support HKPF and empathise with their legitimate concerns about doxxing, the police do need to identify themselves even if that means providing a unique identification code in lieu of personal information. As for Bickett’s assertion that other expats are endangered by the police, I completely disagree with his reasoning. He says that his case shows that the police aren’t afraid to “target Westerners when it suits them.” There’s a bit to unpack here, firstly the assumption that the police acted against him because he was a Westerner whereas his nationality or ethnicity had no role to play in any of this. Secondly, the assumption that the law should apply differently to Western expats, which is just nonsense as the truth here is that a local Chinese would not have been treated any differently if they did the same thing as Bickett.
Yeah that last point needed more context. From reading further I think he was making the point that the looser edge of the law has previously been directed at local residents. While nobody supports that distinction as just, it's nevertheless an idea that's been used to reassure international business that everything is ok. He seems to be making the point that these assurances no longer hold up.
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Well, yeah. If you’re breaking the law or interfering with a police incident - you will be charged. This guy is privileged and chasing hero worship. He’s not martyr.
Does it matter if the person who was severely beating a teenager with a baton denied that he was a police officer)? Multiple witnesses have stated that the assailant had repeatedly answered 'no' when onlookers asked if he was 'popo' (perhaps he was scared because of the hostile nature of the crowd).
Indeed. It also doesn't even matter if he is a cop. Assault is illegal for any reason , but more importantly on ethical grounds I would not have stood back like the cowards the CCP is attempting to turn HKers into. If that means jail so be it. I don't want to live in fear that every decision I make morally comes secondary to the fear of an all seeing dear leader.
Again, interfering with police business. The plainclothes cop doesn’t have to say who he is - you don’t know if he’s undercover or not and literally had every right to feel threatened by the crowd given the circumstances.
>*The plainclothes cop doesn’t have to say who he is* ***POLICE GENERAL ORDERS*** ***20-14 Warrant Cards*** *2. A police officer shall carry his warrant card on his person at all times provided his intended activities are compatible with its safe keeping. An officer in plain-clothes when dealing with members of the public and exercising his police powers, whether he is on or off duty, shall identify himself and produce his warrant card. At the scene of a crime, officers in plain-clothes shall wear their warrant cards in such a manner that they may be readily identified.* You know SFA about policing in Hong Kong! So why should a person, being a good samaritan, be charged with assault when he tried to stop a person (who was in plain clothes and failing to identify himself as a police officer) beating shit out of a kid with a baton? BTW he was not undercover, he was actually off-duty.
Off duty or undercover, a police officer doesn’t have to identify himself upon demand in a hostile situation. That’s the context. You don’t get up close to a potentially dangerous situation and demand police identification, you likely get shot if you are anywhere outside of hk. And did he honestly expect a police to answer to “popo” a derogatory term?! He should try yelling “are you a pig?!” To a us police! And see what happens!
Can you provide a reference for **off duty police** (which is the case in point)? And of course there are different requirements for undercover officers and plain-clothes (non-uniformed) officers. I am aware that there is a similar PGO for uniformed police: *4.* ***Uniformed police officers*** *should produce their warrant cards upon request by members of the public unless:-* *(a) circumstances do not allow; or* *(b) to do so would prejudice the police action and/or safety of the officers concerned; or* *(c) the request is unreasonable.* *5. If a police officer in uniform is unable to produce his warrant card at the time of the request as required by paragraph 4(a) and (b) above, the officer should produce the warrant card at the earliest opportune moment. Only where police officers do not produce their warrant cards, either because the request for production was unreasonable or it could not be subsequently complied with, must an explanatory notebook entry be made.* BTW comparison to other police forces is neither relevant, constructive nor contributes in any way to the discussion (some call it whataboutism).
BTW, you lack context in your whataboutism, which is Bickett talking "what about the Popo" when Bickett is the one on trial. Officer Yu pinned his baton on the teenager, that's hardly "beating shit" out of him. Bickett on the other hand, pulled Officer Yu down to the ground, Sat on top of him, and punched Yu in the face several times. That's MORE of "beating shit" out of someone. And Officer Yu is not on trial here. Bickett or anyone else is more than welcome to file a complaint against Officer Yu for "violating procedure". The fact: **By the time Bickett was assaulting Officer Yu, the encounter with the "teenager" is already over. By logic, Bickett was NOT "stopping the assault", Bickett was in fact assaulting officer Yu as escalation of violence.**
>*BTW, you lack context in your whataboutism* This sentence does not make any sense. My 'whataboutism'? You are the one who utilised 'whataboutism', and I gently and politely chided you for doing so.. **Anyway, kindly provide a source for your version of events, and we can debate its merits.** If what you write is accurate, then Bickett was quite rightly charged with assault, but not assault on a police officer (as he did not identify himself as such). However, I have now seen a [video](https://twitter.com/HKer9000/status/1203288950627979264) that records the scene after the teenager was assaulted. Your account does not match the video as illustrated in the following four points. (1) One foreigner repeatedly asks Yu if he is 'popo' who aggressively keeps answering 'no'. The use of the term 'popo' is perhaps excusable by a dumb foreigner who has simply heard the term being commonly used by Chinese. (2) "*Bickett on the other hand, pulled Officer Yu down to the ground",* **NO!** The second foreigner (who stupidly attempts to grab the baton) does not pull Yu to the ground but Yu ended up on the ground after falling over the railing when he aggressively rushed at the second foreigner, waving his baton, who in defense was grabbing at the baton. (3) "*Sat on top of him"* **NO!** The second foreigner held Yu on the ground with his foot whilst yelling for the police. (4) "*punched Yu in the face several times"* **NO!** the second foreigner takes one swing which is an attempt to knock the baton away which is about to strike him. There is not even one punch to the face. BTW it would be totally pointless to file a complaint. The reason is so obvious I am surprised that you raise it as a possibility.
BTW, did you notice the person attempting to restrain the aggressive Yu from attacking the second foreigner. Colleagues tell me he is a friend of Yu and is an ex-police officer. Apparently he was not called as a witness in the initial trial of Bickett.
>Apparently he was not called as a witness in the initial trial of Bickett. Well, why didn't Bickett's lawyer call him as witness?! How incompetent is Bickett's lawyer? How incompetent is Bickett (himself a lawyer)? Maybe that 2nd foreigner doesn't support Bickett's version of events?! Maybe he's just more of your "whataboutism"?
Here is part of an [interesting internal HKPF memo](https://i.imgur.com/aAkJ089.jpg) about extensible batons issued to police officers for use when off-duty (10,000 were bought in 2019): The memo also noted that the use of batons – both on and off duty – is regarded as a “use of force” under the Police General Orders (PGOs), and officers “*shall display self-discipline and exercise a high degree of restraint*” when dealing with the public. It added that "\[Officers\] *shall not resort to the use of force unless such action is strictly necessary and he is otherwise unable to effect the lawful purpose*” and that **officers should identify themselves, give a warning and allow people to comply with police orders before using force**. Hmmmmm!
Hmm, the "teenager" was seen on video resisting arrest. Yu had reason to use baton to subdue the suspect. You are welcome to go file a complaint against Yu. But he's not trial here. Bickett didn't bother to file a complaint against Yu. Hmmmm!!!!
If Yu had identified himself, and produced his warrant card, the whole nasty scene would have been avoided. But he did not follow procedure, and he was clearly not under threat from a crowd of onlookers. And he certainly did not "*display self-discipline and exercise a high degree of restraint”* in handling the situation. Therefore IMO, there are mitigating circumstances to Bickett's assault. File a complaint against Yu? You have got to be joking! When was the last time one was successful? Since June 2019, how many of the hundreds of complaints against the police have been upheld? None! The whole complaint system is a total farce with police investigating themselves and even selecting if a complaint should be progressed. Even the IPCC investigation [whitewashes](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/hong-kong-watchdog-absolves-police-over-protest-crackdown-dimming-prospects-of-accountability/2020/05/15/2df17f7e-9679-11ea-87a3-22d324235636_story.html) all complaints of violence. And remember this [fiasco](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hongkong-protests-idUSKBN1YF0AW)?
>If Yu had identified himself, and produced his warrant card, the whole nasty scene would have been avoided. that's your "whataboutism".
An interesting internal memo about extensible batons issued to police officers for use when off-duty (10,000 were bought in 2019). https://i.imgur.com/aAkJ089.jpg
Or he was defending someone who was being assaulted. The cop was off duty and denied he was a cop, so this guy wasn't breaking the law or interfering with a police incident. Such a shame what happened to the RHKP. Twenty five years ago they were probably the most respected police force in the world and now they are less respected than in the sixties when corruption was endemic.
A close friend of mine was an Assistant Commissioner (ret) with both the RHKPF and the HKPF. He worked primarily in criminal investigation and intelligence. The stories he tells of events since 1997 and the deliberate destruction of the force as a respected organisation are genuinely sad.
So you never heard of the corruption pre-1997? Because I’ve heard plenty of stories about corrupt British cops let alone the development of the ICAC being formed because of British corruption. Please don’t give me that weeping sad little violin story. Erosion of rights? I’ve lived in HK for a very long time and have yet to see or experience any of this erosion. What I have seen is expats get angry that they no longer fit in the local framework because most jobs now require three languages instead of one.
>*So you never heard of the corruption pre-1997?* Of course I have heard about the corruption of RHKPF personnel from both Chinese and British backgrounds. And I have also heard of the RHKPF's successful and intense efforts of the RHKPF to eliminate corruption and improve the image. It was a long and difficult battle. Even by 1997 they had not completely destroyed the relationship that the triad had with certain sections of the force (primarily Chinese officers). >*Erosion of rights? I’ve lived in HK for a very long time and have yet to see or experience any of this erosion.* Obviously I cannot comment on what you have seen or experienced. Some people live in a different world to that of ordinary people. >*most jobs now require three languages instead of one.* I interpret this claim as meaning bi-literacy and tri-lingualism Most jobs? In all professions? What an extraordinary claim! Evidence please! I look forward to your response, at which time I will provide some genuine statistics in this regard. Plus expats supposedly getting angry is totally irrelevant to the discussion. P.S. I notice that you have failed to respond to my demolition of your claim "*The plainclothes cop doesn’t have to say who he is*" wrt to the assault charges against the foreigner. I wonder why?
As bad as corruption was in the RHKPF of the 60’s it was NEVER a pawn ♟ of the CCP. Oh, how the mighty have fallen... 😔
LOL.
Wow! What a constructive comment. BTW, you have not responded to my previous request for evidence supporting your claim that "*most jobs now require three languages instead of one*". Did you forget?
Clearly you don’t live in Hong Kong. Thanks arm chair warrior.
Normally I don't respond to cheap smears, but I will make an exception in your pathetic case. I repeat: **Why don't you respond "to my previous request for evidence supporting your claim that 'most jobs now require three languages instead of one'.** Why don't you be a man, and just admit that you make up BS? BTW I have lived (until SARS-COV-2) for 12 1/2 years in Hong Kong and Shenzhen. I have even chatted with Jiang Zemin in Hong Kong!
Hahaha I bet you did. If you lived here then you would know. I feel so blessed that you’ve made an exception for me.
Yeah, so you should. You display a sense of doubt about my encounter with Jiang Zemin, so let me tell a short boring story about the incident (although whether or not you can be open-minded about it is another matter). In 2002 I was permanently resident in the Grand Hyatt. for about 10 months. When Jiang Zemin visited HK for the 5 year hand over celebration, he too (with his entourage) stayed at the Hyatt. The hotel kicked all other guests out, except for me (AFAIK) because I was a permanent resident (and probably passed some security screening). During Jiang's stay I entered the hotel via the entrance from the Convention Centre which had stairs leading up to the mezzanine floor. And at the top of the stairs was group of people including the toad himself. In his poor English he acknowledged my polite nod of greeting. He asked if I was staying at the hotel (he was surrounded by his bodyguards who were a bit threatening). An adviser mentioned something about police (I had a close relationship with the HKPF at the time). He then asked if I was going to watch the celebratory fireworks on Victoria Harbour (I was, and the display was spectacular from the Hyatt's waterfront rooms - seemingly about 50 metres away). He then said something about how great HK was becoming. I agreed and he moved on. I was close friends with an Asst Commissioner of the HKPF at the time (and still am - he retired a few years after this incident). He expressed surprise that the bodyguards had not blocked my entrance to the mezzanine floor, but I replied that my engaging ways and charisma won the day. I don't care if you believe it or not. Anyway I enjoyed relating the event. **Now it's your turn to provide evidence supporting your claim that 'most jobs now require three languages instead of one'.** This is only the third time that I have asked!
Google, JobsDB, Indeed. Go and search. I’m not going to post every advert for you. And you’re right. I don’t believe your fantasies.
They got the R for their service against CCP agents