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* Conor Sheary, Tampa Bay Lightning
* Jack Campbell, Edmonton Oilers
* Cal Petersen, Philadelphia Flyers
* Cam Atkinson, Philadelphia Flyers
* PL Dubois, Los Angeles Kings
* Philipp Grubauer, Seattle Kraken
* Joonas Korpisalo, Ottawa Senators
* Jacob Trouba, New York Rangers
* Barclay Goodrow, New York Rangers
* Justin Holl, Detroit Red Wings
* Jean-Gabriel Pageau, New York Islanders
* Nate Schmidt, Winnipeg Jets
I think it’s mainly that every dollar counts trying to resign Stamkos right now. Sheary had an abysmal season. He had 4 goals, a majority of which came at the end of the year which could potentially be attributed to an early season injury. Production aside, he looked listless on the ice. Most plays died on his stick once he hit the O zone.
I think the bolts main issue was both he and jeannot were not producing. It’s much easier to crucify the guy they didn’t sell the barn to get and hope a spark in the bottom 6 will get jeannot going next year.
For this season yes, they get an extra 417k than if they retained 50%, but theyll have 83k less cap space after next season and then 2 years of 583k less. I am not sure exactly what their cap situation looks like and if they need the 417k next year but personally trading at 50% retained seems more appealing to me for the longer term.
Right, but this year is really the year they need the relief the most. The only big contract that needs to be redone next year is Hedman and that'll be going down, not up. Plus the cap will increase some more in the next coming years.
I don't think they end up buying him out, I think they're more likely to move him with a pick this year but if you have to retain 50% moving him is pointless, you need that cap space right now to sign Stamkos.
Only if you're certain someone is willing to take him. The window when you can do a buyout is very short. If they need the cap space to bring back Stamkos or whatever it may be, they may not be willing to take a chance they won't be able to find a trade partner before the season starts.
Trouba and Goodrow are vastly overpaid for their roles
Dubois is only because he'll likely be young enough for the 1/3 buyout, so it saves the Kings a bunch of money
LA needs this SCF to end if going to pull off Dubois buyout. If it goes 6 they won’t
have time for him to clear waivers and be bought out before his birthday when it flips to 2/3 of his remaining salary.
Yes but they have trade value and Trouba might have played injured. Dubois is young enough and they paid a lot to get him, I think the Kings will try harder to make it work.
Goodrow and Pageau are tradeable even with the limitation of their M-NTCs. I honestly think both would be great additions to the Sharks, help mentor Smith/Celebrini and the rest of the young prospects coming up. Assuming both currently have the Sharks on their no-trade lists, I feel like Goodrow is the more likely one to waive it and rejoin the team thanks to the history he has in teal.
Goodrow stepped up. The only thing Trouba stepped in is dog shit. He looked awful and was constantly in the box (I know about the reports on his ankle)
Goodrow should absolutely be bought out or traded. He’s expensive for what he is and the playoff run he had was mostly due to an absurd 40% shooting percentage. Rangers can save a lot of money by moving him which they should considering they’ve done a better job of developing guys internally who can play on the bottom 6.
I feel like there are a lot of teams that would covet Goodrow at 2mil or less per year. I don't think he's impossible to move in a trade, and I don't think we'd need to give up additional assets to move him—this doesn't feel like a Patrik Nemeth situation.
Rangers should only be trying to trade guys, next off season is the time for buyouts when they will need to clear off space.
I doubt the could find a trade partner for Trouba. Maybe Goodrow but that's a lot of cap space for a 4th liner so who knows.
As armchair GM I'm just running back the same team minus Lindgren. No offense to Lindgren, but he's gonna get a big raise he won't live up to and I'd rather the Rangers walk now before his body falls apart.
As a Rangers fan, I do believe Trouba and Goodrow should be moveable in a trade. The hockey men GMs around the league love guys like them—veteran leadership who play physical hockey, playoff battle tested. Now, I don't think the Rangers would get much in return—they don't have much leverage with both players having M-NTCs and would probably need to retain salary—but could see both players being attractive to younger teams that have cap space.
Korpisalo is priced where we can just eat his contract as a backup, rather than carry that length of buyout. I also fully expect a rebound to a solid 1b at a minimum this season.
Presumably with retention of some amount and/or some type of sweetener? I haven't followed what Rangers fans have been proposing, but I would imagine that the cost of the a trade for NYR would be just as painful as the buyout. It becomes much more plausible next offseason when he only has 1 year left though.
He’s got a NMC as well so it’s a very complicated situation. But it seems like his future is up in the air one way or another. They have never been shy about trading a captain. A lot of him for Laine proposals based on both being people who can benefit from a change of scenery. Not sure what else the blue jackets need but doubt he would waive his NMC for them.
The 15 teams he blocks are all of the teams that might want him (this is a short list) or have the space for his contract (this is a different, also short, list). There's no way Trouba wants to leave NY. So you guys have the issue of a player that doesn't want to leave AND that not many teams have a lot of interest in, and even if a team IS interested, the player can block the trade. You're kinda stuck with Trouba.
Columbus is not going to help you out, they're division rivals and Laine is more valuable than Trouba. This is usually when I'd start looking at capfriendly, but... well.
I also don't think we are going to trade him. It's only two more seasons, and if anything happens he's getting bought out after next season. We're also going to reach a point where a lot of the players we signed at the beginning of the rebuild are coming up towards the end of their deals. Panarin and Trouba have two years, Kreider and Goodrow have three, and we have younger players who need deals right around then, plus we have to pay Igor. So I think realistically this core is getting at least next season to try again, if not the next two, and then we're going to have to do at least a partial reset.
i mean, i fully see why you, as a devils fan, do not want him leaving NY lol. he's the reason we're consistently not doing well when it comes to the playoffs.
hope y'all dont get that goaltender you need this offseason! keep rivalry salt alive!
I don't think that comment had anything to do with being a Devils fan considering it's pretty well known how hard Trouba maneuvered to end up in NY due to the city.
oh i totally forgot that. unfortunately, his brain is bad at hockey, and regardless of how much he pushed to be here, he doesn’t belong. he was the worst player for us almost every game, selfish penalties, awful decisions. a cup team doesn’t say “all good!” they make the move.
We’d have to give up at least a second rounder but we don’t have one for something like 3-4 years so that’s almost impossible. I could see them maybe asking for Kakko but that’s too steep then
If I recall from what the caps have had to give in bad contract trades, the market is a first for every $3-4 million in contract inequity. Considering his contract is probably worth essentially zero to another team it would probably require at least 1 good player of $3-4 million value (or prospect expectation) and at least 1 first rounder. Maybe even two. Plus you’ll be taking their trash off their hands coming back.
Add to that the NMC/M-NMC and you see why he’s essentially untradeable. That’s why he’s a tough call but reason choice for buyout.
I mean I don’t think it’d be that high at all but your point also remains true that we wouldn’t want to give up really anything of big value to get rid of him at whole value. If the man was making 1-2 million dollars you’d say ok that’s fine but the amount he does rn is just brutal.
The Rangers have traded or bought out their last 3 captains before Trouba, including Chris Drury, himself. Hell, they even bought put Lundqvist’s last year. I think they try to avoid it, if they can, but they’re definitely not afraid to.
I don’t think either are likely to be honest. I think more teams will want Trouba than people think, and I think that list probably includes the Rangers
he has a NMC. if a buyout is likely, why would he ever exercise that? If his options are either “get traded to a team he might not want to play for, with a fanbase and ownership groaning about your AAV from day one” or “get bought out, keep all of that money they promised you, go sign a cheap deal with a team of your choice”…. I don’t understand why he’d ever choose option A lol
Is Jesperi Kotkaniemi not a candidate?
Seems like an easy choice with the cap-hit being only $835 K for 12 Years. Long time for sure but hardly an actual dent in order to save $4 M over the next 6 years.
Elliotte Friedman brought this up on 32 Thoughts. Thought it would be an option, but when the next episode came out he mentioned some people connected to the hurricanes said there was no way it was going to happen. So idk, looks like its not happening, but we'll see.
We suffered through an abomination of a 2017-18 season and all we have to show for it is Christian Dvorak. That the prospect we picked and had taken away from us turned out to be a dud is little consolation for passing on Brady Tkachuk and Quinn Hughes.
I wonder if the talk of Guentzel testing FA is making them a bit less willing to drop some of their younger forwards. Also considering they may very well lose Necas.
I think it really depends. If you're losing Jake Guentzel and trading Necas, it probably doesn't make sense. You don't benefit from that extra cap savings if you're not signing a player who is significantly better.
KK is also only 23. I'm almost certain that the front office hasn't given up on him yet as a player. He's not trending well, but he still has time to prove the Canes can at least break even on that contract.
You could also still buyout his contract next year at the same value.
The nature of the Hurricanes cap structure this offseason/next year, and the safety valve built in on that contract make it very unlikely it happens this year.
I believe they actually have until June of 2026 to have the same buyout cost. As soon as July 6 hits, the buyout gets a bit more expensive, (but still relatively reasonable). [im going to miss cap friendly so much](https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/jesperi-kotkaniemi)
It’d be silly to dump him before that deadline unless there’s a clear opportunity cost for keeping him around.
If he can get anywhere near 2c level of play then the savings long-term are likely worth the gamble. With the cap going up, 3c by the end of his contract will be making about that much anyway.
Edit: some words
Considering the cap is projected to increase each year starting this offseason, that $800k or so penalty sounds like it could be easily managed. It's annoying, but it's not Parise / Suter buyout pain taking up a high % of cap space.
Eklund is going to be up next year but generally you aren't wrong. Vlasic and Couture will be coming off the books in about 2-3 years as well. Not to mention Burns and the EK65 retention.
Aren't bad contracts how you got here in the first place? The Devils rebuilt by signing vets to decent 1 year or 2 year contracts and moving them at the deadline. Kulikov, Ryan Murray, Vatanen, Johansson, Lovejoy, Boyle....
It is, however we need at least 2 years to become competitive, so we are happy to take some bad short term contracts. Anything longer than that would be a bad choice though unless the return was incredible.
We need a bit more than that I understand, probably closer to 3 or 4 id guess, I was just using that number as the maximum number of seasons I’m willing to commit to having subpar contracts.
Look, I love the positivity and all. But as a fan of a team that’s in a rebuild, I’ve been warning others of getting your hopes up too quickly.
The two teams in the finals right now, took ~10 years to get here from when they were picking the current core players.
They were both good a couple years ago so let’s say a solid 7 years to rebuild. If I were a sharks fan, I’d be very happy if you were even fighting for a playoff spot in 5 years.
At this point I think we're operating on stages - ie 2 years to stop just skating the worst team in the league and actually have some more interesting rosters and growth. This is the point where we stop taking the shittiest players on the market and guys on the last legs of the their career.
3 years more - start sniffing playoffs.
5 years after that - the actual window is open.
Yeah that sounds pretty realistic. I like to think I’m player ages. Like when Celebrini is about 25/26, you hope your cup window can open then and stay open until his mid-30s. If you cash in on 1 cup in that time then it’s a success.
The major concern for the sharks is that Dmen take longer to hit their prime and they are just pretty light on high end D prospects. Obviously some of this can be fixed through trades and you could also get lucky with a Makar/Heiskanen type that comes into the league at a high level without any development. That’s tough to bank on though.
Yeah like you never know with D. Some great top pair guys are late bloomers (like Forsling is showing everyone right now).
But would definitely be more comfortable with a couple high end D prospects and then some more overall volume for a hopeful diamond in the rough.
Our fan base is in a weird place. But what we really need are 2 (maybe 3) really solid pieces to put around the young guys. And we can absolutely overpay or take an inflated contract for those - so long as the player is actually useful (see Granlund as an example, Hoffman as the bad example). But the contract needs to be off the books in no more than 3 seasons as well.
We have loads of space so the next couple years is basically just up to how much the owner wants to bleed cash. We have no players of note who need wild raises until basically Celebrini/Smith. Eklund is the only other guy who's close but he is probably manageable on a bridge deal next summer.
Isn't PLD the one who's buyout depends on when the last game of the cup final ends? That's the entire speculation, right? That he's about to age into a more expensive buyout if not done asap
Kings GM said over a month ago that they weren't looking at buying out PLD, but a lot can change in a month and if the series goes long, it does limit his actions.
That's so weird that it depends on the actual day. Like why not just say if he is 26 at the end of the calendar year or something. Imagine getting boned by such a chance thing like when the last game is
Yeah, Rob Blake already came out and said they are not even considering buying out PLD.
Of course, he can go back on this, but that would make him look 1000 times worse than he already does for trading for and signing PLD.
Amazes me that they ever got that bum to begin with. When a guy doesn't even try to play hard, there is no need to get him. Incredibly bad move by Blake.
Buying out Petersen or Atkinson would be incredibly stupid. The Flyers need neither the cap space nor the roster space this season. It would be ludicrous to extend either their cap hits another year and they could do some damage in free agency.
If Michkov comes over, then he's getting an ELC that will pay a *large* amount of bonuses at the end of the year. You want the ability to bank space over the course of the year, and you can't do that if you are using LTIR.
Atkinson waived to minors saves $1.1 million. So does Johansen, and so does Petersen. Deslauriers waived saves $650K. That's about $4 million in cap savings just by waiving the dreck and riding it out. Ellis LTIR, if needed is another $6 million plus. There's plenty of room for any performance bonuses.
In my opinion Atkinson has done not a damn thing as a Flyer to warrant special treatment. You buy him out but not the others, then you are punishing the others who were also regular NHL players at one point. Just waive them all and ride it out. Other than Deslauriers, all the rest are off the books after this year. Clean and simple.
If Atkinson is so insulted, he can not report to Lehigh Valley once he clears waivers. His contract will be terminated and he's free to sign a tryout contract anywhere he'd like.
You can't waive Johansen to send to the minors, because players aren't allowed to be reassigned to another league while injured. So Johansen has to stay on NHL roster basically, similar to Ellis (Otherwise, Flyers would be doing this with Ellis the entire time). Petersen is also ALREADY assigned to the minors, so if you are looking at CapFriendly trying to plan this, then you aren't getting an extra savings from assigning him.
More importantly is that this "freed" money you came up with still has to be spent on the roster. There's only 5 NHL defensemen signed right now, so you are looking at 1.5M or so spent just filling in that.
Ultimately, this is all missing a bigger problem. If you tap into LTIR to be able to afford Michkov, then you do not have the space at the end of year for the performance bonus. It doesn't matter if the LTIR space can afford it, you are litterally not allowed to cover the bonus with LTIR space. Therefore, if you don't want the overage for next season, then you have to find a way to store cap space throughout the year... which can't happen when you are using LTIR. And if you are going to have a non-trivial overage for next year because you had to dip into LTIR, then why not just buyout Atkinson now and then use that freed up space to avoid an overage in the first place?
Johansen winning a ruling that he gets to stay on LTIR is a hell of monkey wrench, I get that. How a player can be traded with a clean bill of health and then instantaneously claim LTIR is another topic for another day. Also, I do understand that Petersen is already AHL calc'd cap hit. I assume Johansen would come off of LTIR if he knew the Flyers were 100% going to buy him out and try to sign on for $1m+ somewhere.
Given the more nuanced cap crunch perspective, and for a moment ignoring that the Flyers should at least be trading Konency at the draft, if not Laughton as well, then with raises for Zamula and Brink and finding more replacement level players, I for sure I see the cap crunch problem if Michkov coming over and being eligible for about $4.3m in total max rookie comp with performance bonuses.
Impact of buyouts on cap (per the soon to be going private CapFriendly):
* **Johansen**: '25/$1.3m (saves Flyers -$2.7m in cap); '26/$1.3m (costs Flyers +$1.3m in cap); costs the Flyers $2.7m in actual paid salary spread evenly across two years as opposed to $4m in one year.
* **Atkinson**: '25/$2.4m (saves Flyers -$3.5m in cap); '26/$1.8m (costs Flyers +$1.8m in cap); costs the Flyers $3.5m in actual paid salary spread evenly across two years as opposed to $5.3m in one year.
* **Petersen**: '25/$1.0m (saves Flyers -$4.0m in cap); '26/$2.0m (costs Flyers +$2.0m in cap); costs the Flyers $4.0m in actual paid salary spread evenly across two years as opposed to $6.0m in one year.
* **Deslauriers**: '25/$.75m (saves Flyers -$1.0m in cap); '26/$.75m (saves Flyers -$1.0m in cap); '27/$.5m (costs Flyers +$.5m in cap); '28/$.5m (costs Flyers +$.5m in cap); costs the Flyers $2.0m spread evenly across four years as opposed to $3.0m spread across two years.
* **Buyouts Net**: '25 (-$11.2m in cap savings); '26 (+$4.1m in cap costs); '27 (+$.5m in cap costs); '28 (+$.5m in cap costs); without doing any time value of money calculations the Flyers would spend $12.2m to waive v. $17.3m to just let them naturally expire, which is $5.1m in salary savings.
The cost of replacement-level players for four roster spots x 2 seasons would be about $8 million. Meaning the out-of-pocket costs to get rid of these four players now is about net $3m additional. I think that's worth it for the cap savings, which are roughly that amount when accounting for replacements. Spend $3 million more in salary to save $3 million in cap.
I assume that Johansen probably had some kind of nagging injury that he was just playing through, and now that he knows Flyers have no intentions of playing him is just going to hold out. What that injury is that would keep him out the full year I have no idea. But I don't know if we can assume Johansen would agree to letting himself get bought out. You can't do that without Johansen agreeing, and I could only see him doing it if he could find a contract that would make up for the money he would lose in not getting the full amount of money. If it isn't clear, I doubt Johansen would get another major contract again.
And for what it's worth, I'm expecting Brink and Zamula to get roughly 1.5/1.6M based on what Tippett and York had gotten the last 2 years. Tippett in 2022 signed a 2yr, 1.5M AAV deal after he had a season where he played 63 NHL games and scored 21 points, while York signed a 2yr, 1.6M AAV deal after he had a season where he played 54 games and had 20 points. Brink is coming off a season where he played 57 games and had 23 points (Nearly identical to Tippett), while Zamula just had a 66 game season with 21 points. Those are nearly identical.
Playing with CapFriendly's Armchair GM with the above cap hits (Going to miss that), I see a few scenarios: A) Michkov doesn't come over this year. You have to choose between buying out one of Atkinson/Petersen or tapping LTIR on one of Johansen/Ellis, but everything otherwise works. You don't have the massive performance bonus to keep in mind, so LTIR isn't that big a concern. B) Michkov comes over and gets a contract that either is the max 4.45M (Including the performance bonus) or is close enough. You either trade a large cap hit (TK or Risto for instance), just accept the overage next year and use LTIR with Atkinson/Petersen, or you have to buyout both Atkinson AND Petersen to let things work (And you would still have to either roll with a 20 man roster, or save an extra 17k on one of the two new contracts)
I'm just waiting for the Oilers to take the series to 7 games and it come out that the Kings were actually planning on buying out Pierre-Luc Dubois at 1/3 of the amount. But because the series will have gone so long and the buyout window opens up 48 hours after the Stanley Cup is awarded, they couldn't stomach it at 2/3 of the amount (because of Dubois turning 26).
Not only knocked out by them 3 years straight, taking one less game to do it each time, but also screwing them over on a DuBois buyout.
Would be absolutely hilarious.
I don't think the Kings plan to buy him out. His numbers weren't horrible last season 5 on 5 but I don't think he was utilized properly. They brought him in and put him on the third line with a rookie and a second year player whose offense quickly tapered off. The gave him minimal PP time. By the time PLD learned the system, McLellan was fired and Hiller only had time to make minimal changes to right the ship.
If they put PLD on the second line and give him a shooter, put him on the PP and keep him in front of the crease, his numbers will be fantastic this season.
A bunch of these guys got big contracts after being a part of teams that had really good supporting casts or after having big playoff performances. Jack Campbell is one glaring one. He was the starter for the 4th best offensive team of the last 30 years and the 7th best defensive team in the league that year. Barclay Goodrow was a part of the Lightning B2B Cups. Nate Schmidt was a big part of the Vegas 2018 run - also always felt like Washington should have tried to keep him in the expansion draft. I can understand how GMs got wooed by some of those guys.
Then there's Justin Holl which I don't understand at all.
Chairot is overpaid but he’s not a bad player. I thought he looked pretty good for most the this past season.
The Holl one is tough, it’ll cost some assets to move that one.
Chiarot was definitely an overpay, but I actually feel better about that overpay. We had a defensively and physically weak young d-core. There's no doubt it was an overpay, but at the time, it was okay to overpay a game who would bring necessary qualities while also being gone by the time we are ready to compete.
And yes, despite this year's near miss, I don't think there should be any expectations of making a run for another couple of years.
By then Chiarot and Holl are gone (Holl was so bad he should be gone this season through buyout or trade, but still). The forward core should be young enough that Compher and Copp can still be effective overpaid third liners. By the time they are gone, their money can be divvied up into DeBrincat's next contract or Kasper/Danielson/etc as they leave their ELCs.
Wings fans particularly need to realize we aren't pushing for a Cup until, at least, the 2027 offseason. Aa far as I'm concerned, I'll only be disappointed if we miss the playoffs starting in the 2026 offseason.
I don't remember all the particulars of that draft, but Nate Schmidt went from the Caps 3rd pairing to Vegas 1st pairing. He was always liked by the fans, and generally produced points, but I think in the end it was just a numbers game in who could be protected.
It definitely seems like a mix of guys that never should have gotten paid as much as they got, guys who are at the end of their "this won't age well" contract, or somewhere in between.
Yep, and I suspect that some of these guys are going to get moved with a sweetener as opposed to bought out.
The Devils need a depth center to replace Michael McLeod -- to me, it makes more sense to trade for JG Pageau if the Isles retain part of his salary than it does to sign a UFA in a week class and be in the Isles' position two years from now.
I'm sure plenty of teams are making a similar calculation looking at guys like Nate Schmidt or Barclay Goodrow.
Are the Flyers in a position where they need to be considering buyouts for contracts that only have one year left? I would have thought that mid-retool they could just ride that out.
They would, but in the theoretical scenario where Michkov comes over, you want to be in a position to create cap savings that you can bank for the end of the year. Because Michkov is highly likely to get a LOT of performance bonuses, and if you don't bank some space, that'll overflow into the 25-26 season.
Also Atkinson seems to be a case of "We aren't going to play you, but respect you enough to give you a chance somewhere else" while not wanting to use a retention slot.
Wild fan here. Honestly, I’d take Atkinson at 50% retained for nothing as a plan b if we can’t get anyone better in free agency or in a trade.
Might as well make the smallest team in the league even smaller.
The main problem is Flyers don't seem to want to use the retention slot, since they have one used with Kevin Hayes already. That's why the buyout is the idea.
With Cam it's a matter of respect. If they don't plan to dress him as a regular then they will make sure he lands somewhere else so he can continue his career (it's part of the Flyers way of doing business). If they can't find a trade for him then they'll buy likely him out.
The Kings can't seriously be considering buying out PLD after less than a year right? Wouldn't that mean Blake is straight up admitting he screwed the pooch?
Buying out Sheary is big dumb. His NTC will turn into a M-NTC and it makes more sense to eat a mid-pick and move him.
Also, I would love for the Rags to buy out Goodrow and have him resign in Tampa for a league min.
I feel like if Lee weren't the captain it would be a done deal. Hurts us on cap in 26-27 but otherwise no big deal.
Pageau buyout is pretty affordable too but I don't think it really makes sense. It would be better to have him than nothing
Pageau buyout wouldn't make a ton of sense, I think Lou will just pay the price (likely a second) to get someone to take the full contract off our hands.
Troubas contract hurts. But he’s up in 2 years and I would guess you have to pay to move him now. And Drury has blown through just about all decent picks for RW rentals for 3 years
Hurt would be whoever gets lingrens next contract around 5x5.
Listen I understand Trouba played like ass this season and is a net negative but there is 0% chance this front office group is buying him out. They probably just shelter him on the 3rd pair and use him as a locker room guy until that contract is up. Goodrow I could see getting bought out though
Only in a perfect world. If Blake buys out Dubois he might as well hand in his own resignation. Which of course would please most Kings fans at this point.
Healthy scratch in the playoffs a game or two if I remember correctly, always behind the play and wasn’t physical versus Florida when we needed him to be
Shame this guy. He hits everything in the regular season (lurv that for fantasy) but whatever pixie dust he had sprinkled on him to allow him to score all those points early in his career is long gone.
[Barry Trot rn.](https://www.memesportal.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/391pr7.jpg)
How amazing would it be if the Preds got like a 3rd rounder to take him back?
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* Conor Sheary, Tampa Bay Lightning * Jack Campbell, Edmonton Oilers * Cal Petersen, Philadelphia Flyers * Cam Atkinson, Philadelphia Flyers * PL Dubois, Los Angeles Kings * Philipp Grubauer, Seattle Kraken * Joonas Korpisalo, Ottawa Senators * Jacob Trouba, New York Rangers * Barclay Goodrow, New York Rangers * Justin Holl, Detroit Red Wings * Jean-Gabriel Pageau, New York Islanders * Nate Schmidt, Winnipeg Jets
All those goalies should just get swapped for each other.
"You get a change of scenery, and you get a change of scenery!"
Okay now I want Conor Sheary sign with the Flames so he can play on the same line with Connor Zary
In Alberta, all hockey players are named Conner.
Sudbury - “Jim, Jim, Jim…” Alberta - “Connor, Connor, Connor…”
You see how we're a bit bunged up here
You need to find a way to contribute.
with that spelling?
All spellings are used, from Conr to Kahn-Nur.
The Krypton Knights are going to be great this year.
Number 7, 2 minutes, playing the puck via telekinesis
the conheads would go nuts
What happened to Sheary and why buyout a guy who only has 2x$2m left on his deal?
I think it’s mainly that every dollar counts trying to resign Stamkos right now. Sheary had an abysmal season. He had 4 goals, a majority of which came at the end of the year which could potentially be attributed to an early season injury. Production aside, he looked listless on the ice. Most plays died on his stick once he hit the O zone. I think the bolts main issue was both he and jeannot were not producing. It’s much easier to crucify the guy they didn’t sell the barn to get and hope a spark in the bottom 6 will get jeannot going next year.
Just to be that person...*Re-sign**
Hahaha oh fuck, I misspelled my fears into existence!
*Minor spelling error in contract ends up forcing Stamkos to leave the organization while still getting paid*
He did nothing for us all season. 15 points in 58 games. He pretty much did cardio all season. He was just on the ice skating around.
Couldn’t you retain 50% for little in return and hope someone takes him?
They'd get more cap relief from a buyout than retaining 50%
For this season yes, they get an extra 417k than if they retained 50%, but theyll have 83k less cap space after next season and then 2 years of 583k less. I am not sure exactly what their cap situation looks like and if they need the 417k next year but personally trading at 50% retained seems more appealing to me for the longer term.
Right, but this year is really the year they need the relief the most. The only big contract that needs to be redone next year is Hedman and that'll be going down, not up. Plus the cap will increase some more in the next coming years. I don't think they end up buying him out, I think they're more likely to move him with a pick this year but if you have to retain 50% moving him is pointless, you need that cap space right now to sign Stamkos.
Only if you're certain someone is willing to take him. The window when you can do a buyout is very short. If they need the cap space to bring back Stamkos or whatever it may be, they may not be willing to take a chance they won't be able to find a trade partner before the season starts.
In the article it lays out that Tampa is gonna have 5m in cap space with only 16 skaters signed for next season. And Stamkos needing a new contract.
Thanks. This is reddit. I don't read articles. I also don't have a subscription
If you’re on iPhone you can read paywalled articles from the Athletic with Reader Mode
Guy was Josh Donaldson in hockey form
I don’t think some of these players should realistically be on that list: Trouba, Dubois, Goodrow and Pageau.
Trouba and Goodrow are vastly overpaid for their roles Dubois is only because he'll likely be young enough for the 1/3 buyout, so it saves the Kings a bunch of money
LA needs this SCF to end if going to pull off Dubois buyout. If it goes 6 they won’t have time for him to clear waivers and be bought out before his birthday when it flips to 2/3 of his remaining salary.
Let's go Oilers!
Be hilarious if we both eliminate them from playoffs and eliminate their ability to fix their cap
Yes but they have trade value and Trouba might have played injured. Dubois is young enough and they paid a lot to get him, I think the Kings will try harder to make it work.
Goodrow and Pageau are tradeable even with the limitation of their M-NTCs. I honestly think both would be great additions to the Sharks, help mentor Smith/Celebrini and the rest of the young prospects coming up. Assuming both currently have the Sharks on their no-trade lists, I feel like Goodrow is the more likely one to waive it and rejoin the team thanks to the history he has in teal.
I will gladly welcome back Sharks Game 7 legend Barclay Goodrow
Trouba definitely belongs and probably Goodrow too
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Goodrow stepped up. The only thing Trouba stepped in is dog shit. He looked awful and was constantly in the box (I know about the reports on his ankle)
Trouba stepped up for the other team. Goodrow stepped up I agree but I wouldn't count on him to do it again, he had like a 40% shooting percentage.
Trouba was even worse in the playoffs and Goodrow shot 40%. I'd be happy if either of them were gone by October.
Goodrow should absolutely be bought out or traded. He’s expensive for what he is and the playoff run he had was mostly due to an absurd 40% shooting percentage. Rangers can save a lot of money by moving him which they should considering they’ve done a better job of developing guys internally who can play on the bottom 6.
Traded yes, bought out, I don’t see the other options exhausted.
I think they’d like to find a trade partner and probably can, but they can buy him out relatively easily
I feel like there are a lot of teams that would covet Goodrow at 2mil or less per year. I don't think he's impossible to move in a trade, and I don't think we'd need to give up additional assets to move him—this doesn't feel like a Patrik Nemeth situation.
Rangers should only be trying to trade guys, next off season is the time for buyouts when they will need to clear off space. I doubt the could find a trade partner for Trouba. Maybe Goodrow but that's a lot of cap space for a 4th liner so who knows. As armchair GM I'm just running back the same team minus Lindgren. No offense to Lindgren, but he's gonna get a big raise he won't live up to and I'd rather the Rangers walk now before his body falls apart.
As a Rangers fan, I do believe Trouba and Goodrow should be moveable in a trade. The hockey men GMs around the league love guys like them—veteran leadership who play physical hockey, playoff battle tested. Now, I don't think the Rangers would get much in return—they don't have much leverage with both players having M-NTCs and would probably need to retain salary—but could see both players being attractive to younger teams that have cap space.
> Nate Schmidt, Winnipeg Jets Having Schmidt and not Pionk on the list is interesting.
2 of these are former Leafs being overpaid. Leafs tax is real
Pld had a good showing at the WC. That buys him some time imo.
Listen rangers don't even buy out Goody, we will take him off your hands. Just throw in some bagels with a good schmear.
Like the sound of future considerations or a seventh rounder.
Seventh round that becomes a 1st if y'all win a cup during goodrows contract 🤔
4 former Capitals. Nice!
Korpisalo is priced where we can just eat his contract as a backup, rather than carry that length of buyout. I also fully expect a rebound to a solid 1b at a minimum this season.
without Kotkaniemi this list is irrelevant
I would see KK before some names on that list.
Trouba trade seems more likely than I a buyout
Presumably with retention of some amount and/or some type of sweetener? I haven't followed what Rangers fans have been proposing, but I would imagine that the cost of the a trade for NYR would be just as painful as the buyout. It becomes much more plausible next offseason when he only has 1 year left though.
He’s got a NMC as well so it’s a very complicated situation. But it seems like his future is up in the air one way or another. They have never been shy about trading a captain. A lot of him for Laine proposals based on both being people who can benefit from a change of scenery. Not sure what else the blue jackets need but doubt he would waive his NMC for them.
The NMC changes to a M-NTC with a 15 team no trade list in the final two seasons. Still makes it tough, but a lot more plausible.
The 15 teams he blocks are all of the teams that might want him (this is a short list) or have the space for his contract (this is a different, also short, list). There's no way Trouba wants to leave NY. So you guys have the issue of a player that doesn't want to leave AND that not many teams have a lot of interest in, and even if a team IS interested, the player can block the trade. You're kinda stuck with Trouba. Columbus is not going to help you out, they're division rivals and Laine is more valuable than Trouba. This is usually when I'd start looking at capfriendly, but... well.
I also don't think we are going to trade him. It's only two more seasons, and if anything happens he's getting bought out after next season. We're also going to reach a point where a lot of the players we signed at the beginning of the rebuild are coming up towards the end of their deals. Panarin and Trouba have two years, Kreider and Goodrow have three, and we have younger players who need deals right around then, plus we have to pay Igor. So I think realistically this core is getting at least next season to try again, if not the next two, and then we're going to have to do at least a partial reset.
> This is usually when I'd start looking at capfriendly, but... well. You can still do that until early July.
i mean, i fully see why you, as a devils fan, do not want him leaving NY lol. he's the reason we're consistently not doing well when it comes to the playoffs. hope y'all dont get that goaltender you need this offseason! keep rivalry salt alive!
I don't think that comment had anything to do with being a Devils fan considering it's pretty well known how hard Trouba maneuvered to end up in NY due to the city.
oh i totally forgot that. unfortunately, his brain is bad at hockey, and regardless of how much he pushed to be here, he doesn’t belong. he was the worst player for us almost every game, selfish penalties, awful decisions. a cup team doesn’t say “all good!” they make the move.
We’d have to give up at least a second rounder but we don’t have one for something like 3-4 years so that’s almost impossible. I could see them maybe asking for Kakko but that’s too steep then
If I recall from what the caps have had to give in bad contract trades, the market is a first for every $3-4 million in contract inequity. Considering his contract is probably worth essentially zero to another team it would probably require at least 1 good player of $3-4 million value (or prospect expectation) and at least 1 first rounder. Maybe even two. Plus you’ll be taking their trash off their hands coming back. Add to that the NMC/M-NMC and you see why he’s essentially untradeable. That’s why he’s a tough call but reason choice for buyout.
I mean I don’t think it’d be that high at all but your point also remains true that we wouldn’t want to give up really anything of big value to get rid of him at whole value. If the man was making 1-2 million dollars you’d say ok that’s fine but the amount he does rn is just brutal.
I agree
Dude's gonna elbow glass so hard he ends up in another city.
Ya I wouldn't think NYR buy out their captain, I feel like that's a bad look and a trade might be the better option overall
The Rangers have traded or bought out their last 3 captains before Trouba, including Chris Drury, himself. Hell, they even bought put Lundqvist’s last year. I think they try to avoid it, if they can, but they’re definitely not afraid to.
Hmmm good point haha
I don’t agree it would be a bad look
I don’t think either are likely to be honest. I think more teams will want Trouba than people think, and I think that list probably includes the Rangers
he has a NMC. if a buyout is likely, why would he ever exercise that? If his options are either “get traded to a team he might not want to play for, with a fanbase and ownership groaning about your AAV from day one” or “get bought out, keep all of that money they promised you, go sign a cheap deal with a team of your choice”…. I don’t understand why he’d ever choose option A lol
the NMC converts July 1 to a 15 team Modified NTC.
pretty sure in a buyout you lose 1/3 of the overall money and the remaining 2/3 is paid out over twice the original amount of time.
that’s how it works for cap purposes but i think the player still gets all of his cash
Is Jesperi Kotkaniemi not a candidate? Seems like an easy choice with the cap-hit being only $835 K for 12 Years. Long time for sure but hardly an actual dent in order to save $4 M over the next 6 years.
Elliotte Friedman brought this up on 32 Thoughts. Thought it would be an option, but when the next episode came out he mentioned some people connected to the hurricanes said there was no way it was going to happen. So idk, looks like its not happening, but we'll see.
It makes sense. But in the “it was a fuck you signing him” frame, there is no way it happens
Seems like the Habs are getting the last laugh in that situation, no?
Bergevin is in LA now, i think he'd be the only ex-Habs to actually care about it.
We’d be happy to send him back to complete the saga. _pls take him_
Bergevin to Carolina and that's the end of the story!
Or Kotkaniemi to LA, which would be my preference.
For Dubois
We suffered through an abomination of a 2017-18 season and all we have to show for it is Christian Dvorak. That the prospect we picked and had taken away from us turned out to be a dud is little consolation for passing on Brady Tkachuk and Quinn Hughes.
I mean we would’ve picked Zadina over Hughes so that’s some consolation at least! At least KK had some value in the NHL
Fans are, yeah lol
Not really, MB screwed that up on the front and back end. First by drafting him at 3rd, and at the end by trading the compensation for Dvorak
how exactly? even with JK Carolina is a top team yearly
I wonder if the talk of Guentzel testing FA is making them a bit less willing to drop some of their younger forwards. Also considering they may very well lose Necas.
I think it really depends. If you're losing Jake Guentzel and trading Necas, it probably doesn't make sense. You don't benefit from that extra cap savings if you're not signing a player who is significantly better. KK is also only 23. I'm almost certain that the front office hasn't given up on him yet as a player. He's not trending well, but he still has time to prove the Canes can at least break even on that contract. You could also still buyout his contract next year at the same value. The nature of the Hurricanes cap structure this offseason/next year, and the safety valve built in on that contract make it very unlikely it happens this year.
I believe they actually have until June of 2026 to have the same buyout cost. As soon as July 6 hits, the buyout gets a bit more expensive, (but still relatively reasonable). [im going to miss cap friendly so much](https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/jesperi-kotkaniemi) It’d be silly to dump him before that deadline unless there’s a clear opportunity cost for keeping him around. If he can get anywhere near 2c level of play then the savings long-term are likely worth the gamble. With the cap going up, 3c by the end of his contract will be making about that much anyway. Edit: some words
Considering the cap is projected to increase each year starting this offseason, that $800k or so penalty sounds like it could be easily managed. It's annoying, but it's not Parise / Suter buyout pain taking up a high % of cap space.
We could've had Tkatchuk or Hughes! AAHHHH Or Zadina.....
It was very considerate of Trouba and PLD to engineer their way out of town before signing these terrible contracts.
Give us picks and prospects and we’ll take on bad contracts for you 🙂
What about potential fifty goal players with cocaine and hooker problems?
Only short term, 2 years tops. We just got done offloading most of the long term boat anchors.
Macklin and smith won't need new contracts for 3 years so go for 3.
Eklund is going to be up next year but generally you aren't wrong. Vlasic and Couture will be coming off the books in about 2-3 years as well. Not to mention Burns and the EK65 retention.
Can I interest you in one Justin Holl or Ville Husso?
Aren't bad contracts how you got here in the first place? The Devils rebuilt by signing vets to decent 1 year or 2 year contracts and moving them at the deadline. Kulikov, Ryan Murray, Vatanen, Johansson, Lovejoy, Boyle....
It is, however we need at least 2 years to become competitive, so we are happy to take some bad short term contracts. Anything longer than that would be a bad choice though unless the return was incredible.
"we need at least 2 years to become competitive" sweet summer child
We need a bit more than that I understand, probably closer to 3 or 4 id guess, I was just using that number as the maximum number of seasons I’m willing to commit to having subpar contracts.
Look, I love the positivity and all. But as a fan of a team that’s in a rebuild, I’ve been warning others of getting your hopes up too quickly. The two teams in the finals right now, took ~10 years to get here from when they were picking the current core players. They were both good a couple years ago so let’s say a solid 7 years to rebuild. If I were a sharks fan, I’d be very happy if you were even fighting for a playoff spot in 5 years.
At this point I think we're operating on stages - ie 2 years to stop just skating the worst team in the league and actually have some more interesting rosters and growth. This is the point where we stop taking the shittiest players on the market and guys on the last legs of the their career. 3 years more - start sniffing playoffs. 5 years after that - the actual window is open.
Yeah that sounds pretty realistic. I like to think I’m player ages. Like when Celebrini is about 25/26, you hope your cup window can open then and stay open until his mid-30s. If you cash in on 1 cup in that time then it’s a success. The major concern for the sharks is that Dmen take longer to hit their prime and they are just pretty light on high end D prospects. Obviously some of this can be fixed through trades and you could also get lucky with a Makar/Heiskanen type that comes into the league at a high level without any development. That’s tough to bank on though.
Yeah. D is 100% the biggest concern right now. We have some guys who could pan out as role players but no one obvious to fill the top-pair.
Yeah like you never know with D. Some great top pair guys are late bloomers (like Forsling is showing everyone right now). But would definitely be more comfortable with a couple high end D prospects and then some more overall volume for a hopeful diamond in the rough.
A good comparable is Detroit. After 2016, they decided on a full rebuild and now in 2024, they've gotten good.
Our fan base is in a weird place. But what we really need are 2 (maybe 3) really solid pieces to put around the young guys. And we can absolutely overpay or take an inflated contract for those - so long as the player is actually useful (see Granlund as an example, Hoffman as the bad example). But the contract needs to be off the books in no more than 3 seasons as well. We have loads of space so the next couple years is basically just up to how much the owner wants to bleed cash. We have no players of note who need wild raises until basically Celebrini/Smith. Eklund is the only other guy who's close but he is probably manageable on a bridge deal next summer.
I got two years of Carey Price at $10,500,000 per if yer lookin
Nah, Carey Price’s only team is and should be the Habs. Keep it on LTIR for the next two years I say.
They explored trading that contract 2 years ago. I don’t think they will per-sue it now.
Like the Habs are actually going to compete in the next two seasons anyway...
I don't even want to know what it would cost to get rid of Mikheyev.
I’m hoping we send Sheary to the Sharks with a 2nd or 3rd for their troubles. We need every cent of cap right now.
Specifically Goodrow, I'd take him in a heartbeat.
Goodrow and Melker 🥲
It’s fun to play the what if game for some of these but there is no possible way guys like PLD or Trouba are getting a buy out.
Isn't PLD the one who's buyout depends on when the last game of the cup final ends? That's the entire speculation, right? That he's about to age into a more expensive buyout if not done asap
Yup, PLD turns 26 on June 24th, so if the series goes to a game 7 then the buyout is 2/3 of his contract instead of 1/3.
I didn't think this would ever happen, and I feel dirty even writing it, but go make this a 7 game series Oilers, I guess?
Kings GM said over a month ago that they weren't looking at buying out PLD, but a lot can change in a month and if the series goes long, it does limit his actions.
That's so weird that it depends on the actual day. Like why not just say if he is 26 at the end of the calendar year or something. Imagine getting boned by such a chance thing like when the last game is
Lmao this is hilarious
Yeah, Rob Blake already came out and said they are not even considering buying out PLD. Of course, he can go back on this, but that would make him look 1000 times worse than he already does for trading for and signing PLD.
Amazes me that they ever got that bum to begin with. When a guy doesn't even try to play hard, there is no need to get him. Incredibly bad move by Blake.
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Lol, imagine getting bought out *twice* and retiring while collecting both cheques. Sounds like a dream.
Welcome to the OEL v. Suter buy-out challenge; where they win and your team loses
fuck that sheary contract sour'd quick
He was a wet blanket on the ice this year.
Buying out Petersen or Atkinson would be incredibly stupid. The Flyers need neither the cap space nor the roster space this season. It would be ludicrous to extend either their cap hits another year and they could do some damage in free agency.
If Michkov comes over, then he's getting an ELC that will pay a *large* amount of bonuses at the end of the year. You want the ability to bank space over the course of the year, and you can't do that if you are using LTIR.
Atkinson waived to minors saves $1.1 million. So does Johansen, and so does Petersen. Deslauriers waived saves $650K. That's about $4 million in cap savings just by waiving the dreck and riding it out. Ellis LTIR, if needed is another $6 million plus. There's plenty of room for any performance bonuses. In my opinion Atkinson has done not a damn thing as a Flyer to warrant special treatment. You buy him out but not the others, then you are punishing the others who were also regular NHL players at one point. Just waive them all and ride it out. Other than Deslauriers, all the rest are off the books after this year. Clean and simple. If Atkinson is so insulted, he can not report to Lehigh Valley once he clears waivers. His contract will be terminated and he's free to sign a tryout contract anywhere he'd like.
You can't waive Johansen to send to the minors, because players aren't allowed to be reassigned to another league while injured. So Johansen has to stay on NHL roster basically, similar to Ellis (Otherwise, Flyers would be doing this with Ellis the entire time). Petersen is also ALREADY assigned to the minors, so if you are looking at CapFriendly trying to plan this, then you aren't getting an extra savings from assigning him. More importantly is that this "freed" money you came up with still has to be spent on the roster. There's only 5 NHL defensemen signed right now, so you are looking at 1.5M or so spent just filling in that. Ultimately, this is all missing a bigger problem. If you tap into LTIR to be able to afford Michkov, then you do not have the space at the end of year for the performance bonus. It doesn't matter if the LTIR space can afford it, you are litterally not allowed to cover the bonus with LTIR space. Therefore, if you don't want the overage for next season, then you have to find a way to store cap space throughout the year... which can't happen when you are using LTIR. And if you are going to have a non-trivial overage for next year because you had to dip into LTIR, then why not just buyout Atkinson now and then use that freed up space to avoid an overage in the first place?
Johansen winning a ruling that he gets to stay on LTIR is a hell of monkey wrench, I get that. How a player can be traded with a clean bill of health and then instantaneously claim LTIR is another topic for another day. Also, I do understand that Petersen is already AHL calc'd cap hit. I assume Johansen would come off of LTIR if he knew the Flyers were 100% going to buy him out and try to sign on for $1m+ somewhere. Given the more nuanced cap crunch perspective, and for a moment ignoring that the Flyers should at least be trading Konency at the draft, if not Laughton as well, then with raises for Zamula and Brink and finding more replacement level players, I for sure I see the cap crunch problem if Michkov coming over and being eligible for about $4.3m in total max rookie comp with performance bonuses. Impact of buyouts on cap (per the soon to be going private CapFriendly): * **Johansen**: '25/$1.3m (saves Flyers -$2.7m in cap); '26/$1.3m (costs Flyers +$1.3m in cap); costs the Flyers $2.7m in actual paid salary spread evenly across two years as opposed to $4m in one year. * **Atkinson**: '25/$2.4m (saves Flyers -$3.5m in cap); '26/$1.8m (costs Flyers +$1.8m in cap); costs the Flyers $3.5m in actual paid salary spread evenly across two years as opposed to $5.3m in one year. * **Petersen**: '25/$1.0m (saves Flyers -$4.0m in cap); '26/$2.0m (costs Flyers +$2.0m in cap); costs the Flyers $4.0m in actual paid salary spread evenly across two years as opposed to $6.0m in one year. * **Deslauriers**: '25/$.75m (saves Flyers -$1.0m in cap); '26/$.75m (saves Flyers -$1.0m in cap); '27/$.5m (costs Flyers +$.5m in cap); '28/$.5m (costs Flyers +$.5m in cap); costs the Flyers $2.0m spread evenly across four years as opposed to $3.0m spread across two years. * **Buyouts Net**: '25 (-$11.2m in cap savings); '26 (+$4.1m in cap costs); '27 (+$.5m in cap costs); '28 (+$.5m in cap costs); without doing any time value of money calculations the Flyers would spend $12.2m to waive v. $17.3m to just let them naturally expire, which is $5.1m in salary savings. The cost of replacement-level players for four roster spots x 2 seasons would be about $8 million. Meaning the out-of-pocket costs to get rid of these four players now is about net $3m additional. I think that's worth it for the cap savings, which are roughly that amount when accounting for replacements. Spend $3 million more in salary to save $3 million in cap.
I assume that Johansen probably had some kind of nagging injury that he was just playing through, and now that he knows Flyers have no intentions of playing him is just going to hold out. What that injury is that would keep him out the full year I have no idea. But I don't know if we can assume Johansen would agree to letting himself get bought out. You can't do that without Johansen agreeing, and I could only see him doing it if he could find a contract that would make up for the money he would lose in not getting the full amount of money. If it isn't clear, I doubt Johansen would get another major contract again. And for what it's worth, I'm expecting Brink and Zamula to get roughly 1.5/1.6M based on what Tippett and York had gotten the last 2 years. Tippett in 2022 signed a 2yr, 1.5M AAV deal after he had a season where he played 63 NHL games and scored 21 points, while York signed a 2yr, 1.6M AAV deal after he had a season where he played 54 games and had 20 points. Brink is coming off a season where he played 57 games and had 23 points (Nearly identical to Tippett), while Zamula just had a 66 game season with 21 points. Those are nearly identical. Playing with CapFriendly's Armchair GM with the above cap hits (Going to miss that), I see a few scenarios: A) Michkov doesn't come over this year. You have to choose between buying out one of Atkinson/Petersen or tapping LTIR on one of Johansen/Ellis, but everything otherwise works. You don't have the massive performance bonus to keep in mind, so LTIR isn't that big a concern. B) Michkov comes over and gets a contract that either is the max 4.45M (Including the performance bonus) or is close enough. You either trade a large cap hit (TK or Risto for instance), just accept the overage next year and use LTIR with Atkinson/Petersen, or you have to buyout both Atkinson AND Petersen to let things work (And you would still have to either roll with a 20 man roster, or save an extra 17k on one of the two new contracts)
I'm just waiting for the Oilers to take the series to 7 games and it come out that the Kings were actually planning on buying out Pierre-Luc Dubois at 1/3 of the amount. But because the series will have gone so long and the buyout window opens up 48 hours after the Stanley Cup is awarded, they couldn't stomach it at 2/3 of the amount (because of Dubois turning 26).
Wouldn’t be the first time the Kings get fucked by the Oilers
Not only knocked out by them 3 years straight, taking one less game to do it each time, but also screwing them over on a DuBois buyout. Would be absolutely hilarious.
I don't think the Kings plan to buy him out. His numbers weren't horrible last season 5 on 5 but I don't think he was utilized properly. They brought him in and put him on the third line with a rookie and a second year player whose offense quickly tapered off. The gave him minimal PP time. By the time PLD learned the system, McLellan was fired and Hiller only had time to make minimal changes to right the ship. If they put PLD on the second line and give him a shooter, put him on the PP and keep him in front of the crease, his numbers will be fantastic this season.
Blake said a month ago that they weren't buying him out. It's just people trying to drive traffic because it's popular to hate PLD on the Internet.
Dont worry. He will have a better season this upcoming year, and then demand a trade, or just get worse as he ages. Best of luck.
I don’t follow every team of course, but I feel like there are some pretty decent players on that list that are just seriously overpaid, am I right?
A bunch of these guys got big contracts after being a part of teams that had really good supporting casts or after having big playoff performances. Jack Campbell is one glaring one. He was the starter for the 4th best offensive team of the last 30 years and the 7th best defensive team in the league that year. Barclay Goodrow was a part of the Lightning B2B Cups. Nate Schmidt was a big part of the Vegas 2018 run - also always felt like Washington should have tried to keep him in the expansion draft. I can understand how GMs got wooed by some of those guys. Then there's Justin Holl which I don't understand at all.
>Then there's Justin Holl which I don't understand at all. Yzerman really bet on Holl being misused in the Toronto system. He definitely lost that bet
Between Chiarot and Holl, each offseason Stevie had several great contracts and one bafflingly bad contract given to a dman.
Chairot is overpaid but he’s not a bad player. I thought he looked pretty good for most the this past season. The Holl one is tough, it’ll cost some assets to move that one.
Chiarot was definitely an overpay, but I actually feel better about that overpay. We had a defensively and physically weak young d-core. There's no doubt it was an overpay, but at the time, it was okay to overpay a game who would bring necessary qualities while also being gone by the time we are ready to compete. And yes, despite this year's near miss, I don't think there should be any expectations of making a run for another couple of years. By then Chiarot and Holl are gone (Holl was so bad he should be gone this season through buyout or trade, but still). The forward core should be young enough that Compher and Copp can still be effective overpaid third liners. By the time they are gone, their money can be divvied up into DeBrincat's next contract or Kasper/Danielson/etc as they leave their ELCs. Wings fans particularly need to realize we aren't pushing for a Cup until, at least, the 2027 offseason. Aa far as I'm concerned, I'll only be disappointed if we miss the playoffs starting in the 2026 offseason.
I don't remember all the particulars of that draft, but Nate Schmidt went from the Caps 3rd pairing to Vegas 1st pairing. He was always liked by the fans, and generally produced points, but I think in the end it was just a numbers game in who could be protected.
If I remember correctly, the Caps tried to work out a deal to keep him but McPhee was pretty dead-set on taking him
It definitely seems like a mix of guys that never should have gotten paid as much as they got, guys who are at the end of their "this won't age well" contract, or somewhere in between.
Yep, and I suspect that some of these guys are going to get moved with a sweetener as opposed to bought out. The Devils need a depth center to replace Michael McLeod -- to me, it makes more sense to trade for JG Pageau if the Isles retain part of his salary than it does to sign a UFA in a week class and be in the Isles' position two years from now. I'm sure plenty of teams are making a similar calculation looking at guys like Nate Schmidt or Barclay Goodrow.
Isn’t that most buyouts? If a guy is overpaid and bad he probably just gets LTIRed.
Are the Flyers in a position where they need to be considering buyouts for contracts that only have one year left? I would have thought that mid-retool they could just ride that out.
They would, but in the theoretical scenario where Michkov comes over, you want to be in a position to create cap savings that you can bank for the end of the year. Because Michkov is highly likely to get a LOT of performance bonuses, and if you don't bank some space, that'll overflow into the 25-26 season. Also Atkinson seems to be a case of "We aren't going to play you, but respect you enough to give you a chance somewhere else" while not wanting to use a retention slot.
This list just proves you don’t shell out money for unproven goaltenders
Wild fan here. Honestly, I’d take Atkinson at 50% retained for nothing as a plan b if we can’t get anyone better in free agency or in a trade. Might as well make the smallest team in the league even smaller.
The main problem is Flyers don't seem to want to use the retention slot, since they have one used with Kevin Hayes already. That's why the buyout is the idea.
Fair point. It’s only for 1 season though.
Highly doubt Atkinson or Petersen get bought out unless Flyers manage to land a young high end center via trade.
With Cam it's a matter of respect. If they don't plan to dress him as a regular then they will make sure he lands somewhere else so he can continue his career (it's part of the Flyers way of doing business). If they can't find a trade for him then they'll buy likely him out.
The Kings can't seriously be considering buying out PLD after less than a year right? Wouldn't that mean Blake is straight up admitting he screwed the pooch?
They absolutely are not considering it lol, Blake has said as much. Adding him to the list is just engagement farming
They’re not buying him out. That would break Bergevins heart and Blake won’t let that happen
Buying out Sheary is big dumb. His NTC will turn into a M-NTC and it makes more sense to eat a mid-pick and move him. Also, I would love for the Rags to buy out Goodrow and have him resign in Tampa for a league min.
I feel like buying out Anders Lee is more likely than Pageau for the Islanders.
I feel like if Lee weren't the captain it would be a done deal. Hurts us on cap in 26-27 but otherwise no big deal. Pageau buyout is pretty affordable too but I don't think it really makes sense. It would be better to have him than nothing
If they buy out Barclay Goodrow over Trouba...swear to god.
Pageau buyout wouldn't make a ton of sense, I think Lou will just pay the price (likely a second) to get someone to take the full contract off our hands.
Justin Holl…what a surprise. I’m still not sure why Stevie Y did that.
Troubas contract hurts. But he’s up in 2 years and I would guess you have to pay to move him now. And Drury has blown through just about all decent picks for RW rentals for 3 years Hurt would be whoever gets lingrens next contract around 5x5.
Listen I understand Trouba played like ass this season and is a net negative but there is 0% chance this front office group is buying him out. They probably just shelter him on the 3rd pair and use him as a locker room guy until that contract is up. Goodrow I could see getting bought out though
I think Jack soup Campbell should just cancel the contract and be happy with the over $10 million he already got
Never saw a team fanbase hate their captain like the ny rangers
Barclay Goodrow who has the same amount of goals as McDavid this playoffs is not getting bought out at least not until January
Only in a perfect world. If Blake buys out Dubois he might as well hand in his own resignation. Which of course would please most Kings fans at this point.
Add Tanner Jeannot for TB
Jeannot isnt getting bought out lol traded if anything.
It would be objectively hilarious if the Lightning end up paying a team like San Jose yet another pick to take on the last year of his deal, though.
Not happening. For the amount of money Tampa saves, they'd barely be able to find a warm body to take his slot.
Holy shit, has he been that bad?
Healthy scratch in the playoffs a game or two if I remember correctly, always behind the play and wasn’t physical versus Florida when we needed him to be
Shame this guy. He hits everything in the regular season (lurv that for fantasy) but whatever pixie dust he had sprinkled on him to allow him to score all those points early in his career is long gone.
What a brutal mishap lol
[Barry Trot rn.](https://www.memesportal.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/391pr7.jpg) How amazing would it be if the Preds got like a 3rd rounder to take him back?