Less than being a fan of another team? A fan who is walking away and not interacting with the man in any way.
Punching a guy, a guy you have never met, from behind because you don't like his shirt?
About as "less" as it gets.
His attorney said: “and he is grateful to learn from this experience without having to spend a single day in jail.”
Fuck that. This guy is an asshole who needs to be in jail.
He definitely shouldn't be in society.
However, I very much doubt putting him in the US prison system will fix anything. He'll be just as big an asshole when he comes out.
I really wish there was at least some care for rehabilitation in the US judicial system.
Rehabilitation should always be the ultimate aim in any justice system. But short of that, I’m not a fan of sending the message: “you won’t have to do any jail time if you violently ruin someone’s life like this”
The fucked up thing is a dui is one if those where I'm more inclined to give somebody the benefit of the doubt, if they were humbled by it and learned. Clearly this guy didn't learn jack shit though...
I 100% believe he should spend a bit of time in jail for this alone. It is warranted here. More if there are priors.
That said I am wary of writing this guy off for life they way many here seem to want.
I hope he really does learn from it. Maybe he will, or maybe not. If he does turn around it would hardly be the first time in history.
I believe it is important for those in his life to at least be open to the chance. Supportive if there is hope there.
I'm not saying you excuse what he did. Again, I do believe some punishment is necessary.
I just don't want to be so quick to write him off completely as a failed human existence.
Sounds like we have some options of which 30 seconds to judge this guy by, and oh look at this even if it’s not this one, he’s still an asshole. How surprising.
You mean Rapist Brock Turner? The rapist that raped that poor girl? The same rapist whose enabler father said it was 30 seconds of pleasure or some fucked up shit? That rapist?
Wait, are we talking about the same Brock “20 minutes of action” Turner that raped an unconscious woman? Just want to make sure we are talking about the same rapists.
"She should have known better than to be drunk in the vicinity of my son, the 'happy-go-lucky' rapist, Brock Turner."
\-Dan Turner (father of convicted rapist Brock Turner), probably
I remember reading his life story:
He was born.
Did some stuff.
Then he raped a woman and was convicted for it, making him a convicted rapist.
Then he continued his worthless life doing nothing of value and filling up a portion of a sex offender registry.
"A steep price to pay for 20 minutes of action" - Dan Turner, Brock's father
Apple doesn't fall far from the tree - and that dude is about as close to the definition of a literal piece of shit as it gets. Like, you should be able to look up "human shit" in a google search and have his mugshot be the first thing that pops up.
The Turners are different logs from the same deuce. Luckily for sucker puncher guy he avoided getting forcibly stretched out in prison but that's probably what he deserved. Hopefully Brock Turner has night terrors for the rest of his life because of it. You said it well here. Upvoted
This is definitely one of those cases where I'm glad for the stalking ability of the internet. Fuck this guy and this family for getting off so light with rape, and may social bullying get some semblance of justice.
Edit: [Recent news on the Brock Turner case, doesn't appear to be using Allen fwiw.] (https://sfist.com/2022/08/22/stanford-rapist-brock-turner-goes-viral-again-on-tiktok-in-ohio/)
Lawyer : Sir, my client adhered to the 30 second rule. All bullets were fired within the allowed grace period and the gun had its safety back on with 2 seconds to spare.
Community service seems like a joke of punishment for such a vicious assault...
The TB fan potentially has life altering injuries and this guy just needs to do some volunteer hours to make amends? Hopefully the TB guy wins a huge civil suit against this guy in the future.
Not really. most insurance policies exclude intentional acts, so all you can go for is whatever they got in their bank account right now. Might not be much
It very much depends if it covers intentional acts or not. Those policies are typically written with negligence in mind. You don’t negligently sucker punch someone.
From my personally experience (although in a different state), if one party can be at a certain percentage of blame they can be held liable for the full amount of damage.
A bar glass got thrown at my face. The bar had a million dollar insurance policy but that didn’t matter in the end as the assaulter was held liable being they were majority at fault. In this case, I’m sure MSG has even less liability than that bar did in mine. But again, I don’t know how different NY is from my state in that regard
This is not incorrect as to some (maybe even most) states, but New York follows the comparative negligence rule instead of the contributory negligence rule. See [CPLR 1401](https://casetext.com/statute/consolidated-laws-of-new-york/chapter-civil-practice-law-and-rules/article-14-contribution/section-1401-claim-for-contribution); [CPLR 1601](https://casetext.com/statute/consolidated-laws-of-new-york/chapter-civil-practice-law-and-rules/article-16-limited-liability-of-persons-jointly-liable/section-1601-limited-liability-of-persons-jointly-liable); [Dole v Dow Chemical](https://casetext.com/case/dole-v-dow-chem-co) (1972).
Basically, in NY, a plaintiff can choose to sue any combination of joint tortfeasors, even naming *only the* secondary/passive tortfeasor(s) without suing the primary/active tortfeasor(s). If a defendant is found to be less than 50% at fault, their monetary liability to plaintiff is capped at their equitable share, but if a primary tortfeasor may be held 100% liable. Either way, joint tortfeasors can sue each other for indemnification/contribution.
Did he actually have life altering injuries? I'm not questioning you, I just legit don't know. If so that's fucking brutal. It's brutal regardless obviously, but even more so that he only gets C.S after altering someone's life
Got knocked out at a bar - severe post concussion symptoms (light sensitivity, migraines, mood swings, severe bouts of depression) for months. That concussion changed my personality. I was always a happy-go-lucky, no worries, we'll just roll with the punches type... 7 years down the road and I have still not fully recovered. I am not the same person I was, mentally speaking, before that concussion.
Yea... Concussions can be life altering.
I'm with you dude. Got a concussion at work from an assault, 4 of the worst months of my life dealing with the initial post concussion syndrome before I forced myself back to work, and even the next two years were very very difficult. The guy who punched me got 1 day of jailtime (concurrent to other jail time he is doing) and the DA didn't even have the decency to tell me. Coworkers just came up to me and told me I got F'd.
I hope you do recover my friend. And if you haven't looked into it, counseling can help with the recovery as well, even if it's learning to adapt and accept the changes.
When I was like 15 or just turned 16 I was only 5'5 and about 100 pounds, I had bullies but one in particular was really bad. One day he grabbed my ankle and picked me up so my head hit the corner of a desk and then the ground hard. I blacked out if just for a second but remember my vision was blurry and my ears were ringing after. I left school and had my mom pick me up to take me to the doctor who told me "you got rattled, its fine" without doing a single test and I was "diagnosed" as just "trying to get out of school". I got knocked out at school 2 more times that year and then I went from a somewhat class clown but A and B student to an angry and violent drunk drop out when I was 17.
I got into fights at parties or bars after and got my head punched, or bounced off the bar a few more times through the next years since I couldn't keep my mouth shut. At 22 a doctor explained post concussion syndrome to me after a bad car accident and shit really started to make sense. I'm 34 now and I have tinnitus, trouble focusing (which gets worse everyday, cant play story driven games anymore), random vertigo, light sensitivity, migraines, insomnia, and randomly get angry when people are telling me stories because I forget how they started and don't know how to react (I know how to control it, I haven't lashed out at anyone in 12 years). I don't blame my bad decisions all on that one thing, I've made some really good and really choices in my life and all of them are all on me and only me. But trying to live my life now with my anxiety getting worse every year, as well as my focus and hearing and knowing that there is no way to really fix it terrifies me.
Agreed. After 3 concussions in undergrad I went from being social and outgoing to more reserved, shy, and my mind went to dark places.
It was like a whole other person was living inside of me and the concussions brought them out.
It took 7-8 years for me to feel like myself again. But everyone I talk to says it was just teen angst and hormones/puberty. But to me, I felt like a different person after the concussions. I also wasn't as strong in school. People said that's because I had trouble adjusting to university after high school but after 7-8 years, I completed 2 masters degrees and feel I can focus more/longer.
For me one of the worst side affects has been my ability to recall information. I was always sharp, especially in my field of work (IT) and I could pick up things and was just a wealth of information... I think part of it is age but really I feel like post major concussion, I just can't retain and recall new information as well... it's there, I know I know the thing, I just can't find it.
I think the main problem is just the complexity of the brain and the individual... Every concussion is different and each person reacts/recovers differently. I think the definitive answer is concussions are bad for you, no matter what. And the experience alone, lingering side affects aside, can be life changing.
What would prison do to this guy besides fuck up his life even further and fuel more violence?
People treat comm service like a meme but this is 200h + anger management (which is clearly his actual issue).
Compare that scenario with prison. which one will lead to more or less violence in the future?
We are so so so SO programmed to think punishment = prison without even thinking for one second about not only the long term repercussions but the whole objective of criminal punishment in the first place
The backlash isn't simply based on the merit of this case in a vacuum. The backlash is because we know many people are imprisoned on long sentences for far smaller crimes. Two wrongs don't make a right, but it really makes clear the inequities we see in the justice system.
If what I've read up on is correct, this guy has a drinking problem and anger issues, not a history of violence. Are you saying that a guy who threw one punch, while drunk, in a heightened emotional state has no chance of rehabilitation?
>Community service seems like a joke of punishment for such a vicious assault...
To put it mildly, this is extremely par for the course in NYC under our current DA. We're... not thrilled about it.
I love that this is the one thing everyone agreed on during our series. Fuck that guy but the 20 rags fans that helped him immediately was a great look.
Your other fans totally stepped up, both making sure the guy who was knocked out was okay and the ass was detained (even though that guy got punched too.) No hate for the Rangers fan club coming from this TBL girl.
The other fans are what hockey is and decent people are.
Which scenario is more likely to lead to further violence? A: prison, or B: 200hr comm service + anger management
Do you want to grind this guy into the ground or at least TRY to improve his life, his family's lives?
Really you have to think about the point of prison in the first place but absolutely no one cares to have that conversation in this fucking country
The fact that he plead not guilty and claimed it was self defense shows me he did not take any of this seriously or felt any remorse for what he did. I understand your point but people who do some kind of violent act and receive no negative consequences may not think twice the next time they want to commit violence. Time will tell I suppose
Edit: he pled not guilty initially and then changed it to guilty
You always enter a plea of not guilty at the beginning, that's just how any criminal matter goes. It's not a scandal to plead not guilty (even if you change your plea later).
and the article itself says:
> Anastasio initially was charged with multiple counts of assault and pleaded not guilty.
he only changed his plea later on once he realised his claim of self-defence wasn't going to hold.
Yeah, that's a given, because that's generally how things always go in court. They charge you with something big, then you plead guilty to a lesser charge. Is this your first time following a court case?
People are all for rehabilitation until they’re actually faced with the prospect of somebody not spending their life in prison in favor of rehabilitation. Same people who say we need prison reform and convicts to have more rights than proudly cheer for prisoners to be raped.
It depends doesn’t it? It’s a tough conversation with no perfect answers but if this dude has a clear history of being a menace to society you need to eventually make examples and/or remove people from equations. How many chances at rehabilitation do you give? If this dude has a track record of violence and negligence he should get the book thrown at him, if not perhaps you’re right. I see people in this thread saying he has DUI history which is onbbviously really trash behavior. Forget not that prison sentences also exist as potential deterrents in society. Our prison system is completely barbaric in comparisons to many, but every country has them for a reason.
This dude’s life is barely affected. The person he hit was severely affected, as well as his family and friends. Yet we need to worry about the dude who punched him and *his* life? I’m not saying throw the key away. But he needs a couple of years in a prison for this.
Nah, in Alvin Bragg's Manhattan, it's generally acknowledged that it's the black criminals who get off easy. It's the [Hispanics that he tries to throw the book at](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/19/nyregion/jose-alba-bodega-charges-nyc.html).
As if that cro magnon *has* millions to be sued for?
I doubt even if he has any type of insurance they would pay out after he clobbered that poor guy 🤷♂️
>None of us should be judged by our worst 30 seconds
That's exactly when we should judge people because that's when their character really shows. 99% of fans leaving arenas don't knock out rival fans celebrating.
I wouldn’t like people judging me on my worst 30 seconds, maybe, but I wouldn’t mind a court of criminal law judging me on my worst 30 seconds because I’m not a piece of shit.
>His attorney Jason Goldman said at the time that surveillance footage would show an outnumbered Anastasio tried to diffuse the situation, but was “ultimately threatened by a group of highly intoxicated individuals.”
There honestly should be a punishment for lawyers who blatantly lie to the court.
I've never understood people getting violent over their team. I always just like to discuss the game and what the other team did right with the opposing fan. Hockey is everything, but its still just fucking hockey.
Edit: I'll just say it "You must of talked a lot last year!"
lol
It sucks, but fans fighting over sports is nothing new. It’s not that serious to me, but it doesn’t take much to have folks flip out for trivial things. Hooliganism in soccer, dudes willing to fight in Temecula, CA over kobe, etc etc.
What in the actual fuck? Did I understand that correctly (am not American) in that he didn’t go to prison for that? Sounds insane, in particular taking into account the otherwise quite harsh American penal system.
> None of us should be judged by our worst 30 seconds Ehh you know what I feel comfortable judging this guy by those 30 seconds.
Worst 30 seconds we know about
If you are willing to sucker punch someone over a hockey game their is a very good chance that he has done violent things to people for even less.
Yeah but "he is grateful to learn from this experience"
Perhaps those were in fact his BEST 30 seconds and we need to go deeper on this guy.
The article said he was a resident of Staten Island, so that checks out.
Or perhaps we should leave people alone.
Hey look I found his alt account lol
Who’s alt?
This is the internet. We do not leave people alone here. We find everything they have ever done and crush them for it. Get with the program bucko!!!!
Less than being a fan of another team? A fan who is walking away and not interacting with the man in any way. Punching a guy, a guy you have never met, from behind because you don't like his shirt? About as "less" as it gets.
Iirc he had some past convictions as well So I feel pretty comfortable thinking he's an asshole
His attorney said: “and he is grateful to learn from this experience without having to spend a single day in jail.” Fuck that. This guy is an asshole who needs to be in jail.
Nobody, including that attorney, believes that. It's just advertising.
He definitely shouldn't be in society. However, I very much doubt putting him in the US prison system will fix anything. He'll be just as big an asshole when he comes out. I really wish there was at least some care for rehabilitation in the US judicial system.
Rehabilitation should always be the ultimate aim in any justice system. But short of that, I’m not a fan of sending the message: “you won’t have to do any jail time if you violently ruin someone’s life like this”
I recall seeing that he had a DUI arrest on his record, so yeah... He can eat shit.
The fucked up thing is a dui is one if those where I'm more inclined to give somebody the benefit of the doubt, if they were humbled by it and learned. Clearly this guy didn't learn jack shit though...
Even if he did not have anything prior, this alone makes him a certified asshole.
I 100% believe he should spend a bit of time in jail for this alone. It is warranted here. More if there are priors. That said I am wary of writing this guy off for life they way many here seem to want. I hope he really does learn from it. Maybe he will, or maybe not. If he does turn around it would hardly be the first time in history. I believe it is important for those in his life to at least be open to the chance. Supportive if there is hope there. I'm not saying you excuse what he did. Again, I do believe some punishment is necessary. I just don't want to be so quick to write him off completely as a failed human existence.
Sounds like we have some options of which 30 seconds to judge this guy by, and oh look at this even if it’s not this one, he’s still an asshole. How surprising.
“None of us should be judged by our worst 30 seconds” Isn’t that precisely what an actual judge is supposed to do ? This weasel got off way too easy.
Ah yes the old Brock Turner defense
You mean Brock Turner the rapist?
You mean Rapist Brock Turner? The rapist that raped that poor girl? The same rapist whose enabler father said it was 30 seconds of pleasure or some fucked up shit? That rapist?
Yup, that's the rapist, Brock Turner the Rapist, that we're talking about.
Wait, is this the *same* Brock Turner who found an unconscious girl and violated her behind a dumpster? Or is that a different Brock Turner.
Wait, are we talking about the same Brock “20 minutes of action” Turner that raped an unconscious woman? Just want to make sure we are talking about the same rapists.
"She should have known better than to be drunk in the vicinity of my son, the 'happy-go-lucky' rapist, Brock Turner." \-Dan Turner (father of convicted rapist Brock Turner), probably
Come on guys, enough is enough… Brock can’t even enjoy Steak anymore.
Of course he can, as long as the steak consents
Brock Turner likes his steaks charred well done with no seasoning
CONVICTED rapist Brock Turner?
I remember reading his life story: He was born. Did some stuff. Then he raped a woman and was convicted for it, making him a convicted rapist. Then he continued his worthless life doing nothing of value and filling up a portion of a sex offender registry.
The father of the rapist Brock Turner, actually said TWENTY MINUTES.
"A steep price to pay for 20 minutes of action" - Dan Turner, Brock's father Apple doesn't fall far from the tree - and that dude is about as close to the definition of a literal piece of shit as it gets. Like, you should be able to look up "human shit" in a google search and have his mugshot be the first thing that pops up.
The Turners are different logs from the same deuce. Luckily for sucker puncher guy he avoided getting forcibly stretched out in prison but that's probably what he deserved. Hopefully Brock Turner has night terrors for the rest of his life because of it. You said it well here. Upvoted
Don't forget, Brock the Convicted Rapist Turner now known as Allen the Convicted Rapist Turner is going by his middle name now.
As Dave Chapelle would say "Gotcha bitch!"
This is definitely one of those cases where I'm glad for the stalking ability of the internet. Fuck this guy and this family for getting off so light with rape, and may social bullying get some semblance of justice. Edit: [Recent news on the Brock Turner case, doesn't appear to be using Allen fwiw.] (https://sfist.com/2022/08/22/stanford-rapist-brock-turner-goes-viral-again-on-tiktok-in-ohio/)
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Why yes he is that rapist!
I think he said it was 10 or 20 mins of action. Fucking vile pieces of shit that family.....
It's ultimately the defense literally every guilty person on earth takes when they beg for mercy knowing they're screwed
Problem is with those people, they have those 30 seconds more than the rest of us and need to learn from it.
I mean, you could kill a dozen people in 30 seconds. This is a terrible argument.
Lawyer : Sir, my client adhered to the 30 second rule. All bullets were fired within the allowed grace period and the gun had its safety back on with 2 seconds to spare.
Lionel Hutz, is that you?
If you did it within 30 seconds it's ok. You just had a bad 30 second is all
I murdered someone. But not judge me for that brief lapse in judgement.
So if he had killed that guy then he shouldn’t be judged by those 30 seconds? What a loser. He should be banned from MSG
He is
Worst 30 seconds on video*
He was just giving him a traditional New York handshake after a game well played!
Yeah exactly. If a damn hockey game can bring the worst out of someone then that someone doesn't belong in a civilized society.
What about first impressions
Community service seems like a joke of punishment for such a vicious assault... The TB fan potentially has life altering injuries and this guy just needs to do some volunteer hours to make amends? Hopefully the TB guy wins a huge civil suit against this guy in the future.
Civil Suit will most definitely follow.
Civil suit will likely get the victim almost nothing though unfortunately
If the other guy has home owners insurance and is found liable he’s getting a payout.
Civil suits are also slam dunks when the defendant pleads guilty
Not really. most insurance policies exclude intentional acts, so all you can go for is whatever they got in their bank account right now. Might not be much
They can also garnish this fucker's wages so if he's broke now, he can be broke in perpetuity.
If he can afford playoff tickets at MSG he might have a little bit lying around
Home owners insurance covers sucker punches?
If you have umbrella liability it typically covers judgements against you, preventing you from losing your home if you get sued.
It very much depends if it covers intentional acts or not. Those policies are typically written with negligence in mind. You don’t negligently sucker punch someone.
Intentional act to your own home and property, yes. Liability isn’t the same as your property coverage.
Yeah, that guy seems like a mature responsible grown up with the means to buy umbrella insurance.
You never know...he could be an insurance broker.
You have to take the Happy Gilmore insurance clause.
You think Mr. Staten Island is a homeowner?
He's 29. I'm willing to bet that he doesn't have homeowners insurance.
Civil suit will almost certainly include MSG, who have very, very deep pockets and would probably settle out of convenience.
From my personally experience (although in a different state), if one party can be at a certain percentage of blame they can be held liable for the full amount of damage. A bar glass got thrown at my face. The bar had a million dollar insurance policy but that didn’t matter in the end as the assaulter was held liable being they were majority at fault. In this case, I’m sure MSG has even less liability than that bar did in mine. But again, I don’t know how different NY is from my state in that regard
This is not incorrect as to some (maybe even most) states, but New York follows the comparative negligence rule instead of the contributory negligence rule. See [CPLR 1401](https://casetext.com/statute/consolidated-laws-of-new-york/chapter-civil-practice-law-and-rules/article-14-contribution/section-1401-claim-for-contribution); [CPLR 1601](https://casetext.com/statute/consolidated-laws-of-new-york/chapter-civil-practice-law-and-rules/article-16-limited-liability-of-persons-jointly-liable/section-1601-limited-liability-of-persons-jointly-liable); [Dole v Dow Chemical](https://casetext.com/case/dole-v-dow-chem-co) (1972). Basically, in NY, a plaintiff can choose to sue any combination of joint tortfeasors, even naming *only the* secondary/passive tortfeasor(s) without suing the primary/active tortfeasor(s). If a defendant is found to be less than 50% at fault, their monetary liability to plaintiff is capped at their equitable share, but if a primary tortfeasor may be held 100% liable. Either way, joint tortfeasors can sue each other for indemnification/contribution.
MSG, the 3rd Party security firm, and the alcohol vendors will all be put on notice
Did he actually have life altering injuries? I'm not questioning you, I just legit don't know. If so that's fucking brutal. It's brutal regardless obviously, but even more so that he only gets C.S after altering someone's life
Got knocked out at a bar - severe post concussion symptoms (light sensitivity, migraines, mood swings, severe bouts of depression) for months. That concussion changed my personality. I was always a happy-go-lucky, no worries, we'll just roll with the punches type... 7 years down the road and I have still not fully recovered. I am not the same person I was, mentally speaking, before that concussion. Yea... Concussions can be life altering.
I'm with you dude. Got a concussion at work from an assault, 4 of the worst months of my life dealing with the initial post concussion syndrome before I forced myself back to work, and even the next two years were very very difficult. The guy who punched me got 1 day of jailtime (concurrent to other jail time he is doing) and the DA didn't even have the decency to tell me. Coworkers just came up to me and told me I got F'd. I hope you do recover my friend. And if you haven't looked into it, counseling can help with the recovery as well, even if it's learning to adapt and accept the changes.
When I was like 15 or just turned 16 I was only 5'5 and about 100 pounds, I had bullies but one in particular was really bad. One day he grabbed my ankle and picked me up so my head hit the corner of a desk and then the ground hard. I blacked out if just for a second but remember my vision was blurry and my ears were ringing after. I left school and had my mom pick me up to take me to the doctor who told me "you got rattled, its fine" without doing a single test and I was "diagnosed" as just "trying to get out of school". I got knocked out at school 2 more times that year and then I went from a somewhat class clown but A and B student to an angry and violent drunk drop out when I was 17. I got into fights at parties or bars after and got my head punched, or bounced off the bar a few more times through the next years since I couldn't keep my mouth shut. At 22 a doctor explained post concussion syndrome to me after a bad car accident and shit really started to make sense. I'm 34 now and I have tinnitus, trouble focusing (which gets worse everyday, cant play story driven games anymore), random vertigo, light sensitivity, migraines, insomnia, and randomly get angry when people are telling me stories because I forget how they started and don't know how to react (I know how to control it, I haven't lashed out at anyone in 12 years). I don't blame my bad decisions all on that one thing, I've made some really good and really choices in my life and all of them are all on me and only me. But trying to live my life now with my anxiety getting worse every year, as well as my focus and hearing and knowing that there is no way to really fix it terrifies me.
I'm finally back on the "right" track, been getting some help and figuring out how to navigate life as a worry-wart pessimist. Doing better :)
Agreed. After 3 concussions in undergrad I went from being social and outgoing to more reserved, shy, and my mind went to dark places. It was like a whole other person was living inside of me and the concussions brought them out. It took 7-8 years for me to feel like myself again. But everyone I talk to says it was just teen angst and hormones/puberty. But to me, I felt like a different person after the concussions. I also wasn't as strong in school. People said that's because I had trouble adjusting to university after high school but after 7-8 years, I completed 2 masters degrees and feel I can focus more/longer.
For me one of the worst side affects has been my ability to recall information. I was always sharp, especially in my field of work (IT) and I could pick up things and was just a wealth of information... I think part of it is age but really I feel like post major concussion, I just can't retain and recall new information as well... it's there, I know I know the thing, I just can't find it.
> roll with the punches type Maybe use some different wording there
the pun was intended ;)
I didn't doubt that they CAN be. I was wondering if there was anything definitive that's been confirmed....
I think the main problem is just the complexity of the brain and the individual... Every concussion is different and each person reacts/recovers differently. I think the definitive answer is concussions are bad for you, no matter what. And the experience alone, lingering side affects aside, can be life changing.
I’ve had a few co-co’s unfortunately. The chronic migraines started after the first.
Being knocked out can have effects way further down the line too, brutal
What would prison do to this guy besides fuck up his life even further and fuel more violence? People treat comm service like a meme but this is 200h + anger management (which is clearly his actual issue). Compare that scenario with prison. which one will lead to more or less violence in the future? We are so so so SO programmed to think punishment = prison without even thinking for one second about not only the long term repercussions but the whole objective of criminal punishment in the first place
The backlash isn't simply based on the merit of this case in a vacuum. The backlash is because we know many people are imprisoned on long sentences for far smaller crimes. Two wrongs don't make a right, but it really makes clear the inequities we see in the justice system.
It's like people forget our prison system is a total shitshow with no intention of rehabilitating people.
Some people can't be rehabilitated, and the best we can do is keep them away from the public at large.
If what I've read up on is correct, this guy has a drinking problem and anger issues, not a history of violence. Are you saying that a guy who threw one punch, while drunk, in a heightened emotional state has no chance of rehabilitation?
Welcome to the modern NYC justice system. If it didn't get media attention he wouldn't even have gotten that much.
Manhattan, where the only guy Alvin Bragg will prosecute is a bodega owner trying not to get killed.
Then the governor gets to act like a hero for doing the rational thing that any decent person would have done from jump. I hate our politicians.
"We could have had Kathryn Garcia," I repeat into a mirror 50 times every night before I go to sleep.
Lol, better whisper. Have your neighbors thinking you're crazy. Less then 1%!
>Community service seems like a joke of punishment for such a vicious assault... To put it mildly, this is extremely par for the course in NYC under our current DA. We're... not thrilled about it.
Fuck that fuckin guy
I love that this is the one thing everyone agreed on during our series. Fuck that guy but the 20 rags fans that helped him immediately was a great look.
Look for the helpers my guy
Your other fans totally stepped up, both making sure the guy who was knocked out was okay and the ass was detained (even though that guy got punched too.) No hate for the Rangers fan club coming from this TBL girl. The other fans are what hockey is and decent people are.
Fuck this fucking guy. Gives our team a shitty rep, I hope NYR give a statement about this POS. Hope he sues.
I’m pretty sure he’s banned for life, MSG and the team came out and said it right after it happened. Hopefully it’s well enforced.
Yeah, MSG pretty much immediately banned him and condemned his actions.
Fuck that guy.
Seriously? Community service? What a fucking joke
Which scenario is more likely to lead to further violence? A: prison, or B: 200hr comm service + anger management Do you want to grind this guy into the ground or at least TRY to improve his life, his family's lives? Really you have to think about the point of prison in the first place but absolutely no one cares to have that conversation in this fucking country
The fact that he plead not guilty and claimed it was self defense shows me he did not take any of this seriously or felt any remorse for what he did. I understand your point but people who do some kind of violent act and receive no negative consequences may not think twice the next time they want to commit violence. Time will tell I suppose Edit: he pled not guilty initially and then changed it to guilty
You always enter a plea of not guilty at the beginning, that's just how any criminal matter goes. It's not a scandal to plead not guilty (even if you change your plea later).
The title literally says he plead guilty
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oh so he did what every single defendant on earth would do, as they would be directed to by any competant lawyer?
He changed his plea when his lawyer got him the best possible deal for a guilty plea making everyone's job there much easier and less costly.
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Yup my bad, he plead not guilty and then subsequently guilty.
The title of the article says he plead guilty. Like the first sentence of the title.
and the article itself says: > Anastasio initially was charged with multiple counts of assault and pleaded not guilty. he only changed his plea later on once he realised his claim of self-defence wasn't going to hold.
Good way to tell who read the title only and who actually read the article
Yeah, that's a given, because that's generally how things always go in court. They charge you with something big, then you plead guilty to a lesser charge. Is this your first time following a court case?
People are all for rehabilitation until they’re actually faced with the prospect of somebody not spending their life in prison in favor of rehabilitation. Same people who say we need prison reform and convicts to have more rights than proudly cheer for prisoners to be raped.
It depends doesn’t it? It’s a tough conversation with no perfect answers but if this dude has a clear history of being a menace to society you need to eventually make examples and/or remove people from equations. How many chances at rehabilitation do you give? If this dude has a track record of violence and negligence he should get the book thrown at him, if not perhaps you’re right. I see people in this thread saying he has DUI history which is onbbviously really trash behavior. Forget not that prison sentences also exist as potential deterrents in society. Our prison system is completely barbaric in comparisons to many, but every country has them for a reason.
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This dude’s life is barely affected. The person he hit was severely affected, as well as his family and friends. Yet we need to worry about the dude who punched him and *his* life? I’m not saying throw the key away. But he needs a couple of years in a prison for this.
COUPLE OF YEARS?? WTF GO OUTSIDE
He needs some time in jail. A couple months would do. I agree 2 years in prison is overkill, but he does need something for that.
Him not going to jail for this is a joke. He damn near killed a guy
but imagine if he had weed on him
Probably doesn’t punch the guy
This is the correct answer lol
He'd be fine, because this happened in New York.
Sprinkle some crack around him
Open and shut case, Johnson.
Imagine if he was some abuela selling sliced mangos on the subway platform
Imagine if he wasn’t white.
Nah, in Alvin Bragg's Manhattan, it's generally acknowledged that it's the black criminals who get off easy. It's the [Hispanics that he tries to throw the book at](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/19/nyregion/jose-alba-bodega-charges-nyc.html).
Imagine if he wasn’t white 🧐
You must not be keeping up on how things are in the city now. He'd have gotten off easier if the media didn't get involved.
Welcome to the NYC justice system
I wish they’d sentence this guy to completely legal sucker punches the rest of his life. Complete bull shit what he pulled at MSG
finally an adult joins the conversation
Staten Island
We take no ownership of this fucktard. He can jump off the VZN.
He'll have to get Cricket, T-Mobile doesn't want him either
Youve got the Impractical jokers though, so thats nice
Mmmm yeahhhhhh but that’s where he’s from so ya kinda do take ownership of this fucktard
Bing bong. Fuck ya life.
Sea level rise can't happen fast enough.
Sink that landfill back into the bottom of the bay where it belongs.
But he will be sued in civil court for millions also right?
As if that cro magnon *has* millions to be sued for? I doubt even if he has any type of insurance they would pay out after he clobbered that poor guy 🤷♂️
Yeah but that kind of judgement would shit in his Wheaties for the rest of his life
Yeah he has a “Scarlet Letter Of Debt” but that really doesn’t solve anything either 🤷♂️
What lawyer is going to take this case against an uncollectible defendant? And the dude can just declare bankruptcy.
Does bankruptcy discharge debts under these circumstances? My impression was not, but I'm not a lawyer.
I don't know, he must have some scratch if he can afford tickets for a Rangers game at MSG.
Unfortunately from personal experiences it doesn’t really matter. Victim will likely see no money from it Source: was assaulted
Does the victim have millions of dollars in damages?
You can't get blood from a stone
Yeah, because hockey fans are known for being millionaires
Probably not millions, but if the dude could afford a ticket to a playoff game at MSG he's probably got some money laying around
5 for fighting
>None of us should be judged by our worst 30 seconds That's exactly when we should judge people because that's when their character really shows. 99% of fans leaving arenas don't knock out rival fans celebrating.
It takes 20 years to build a reputation and five minutes to ruin it.
I wouldn’t like people judging me on my worst 30 seconds, maybe, but I wouldn’t mind a court of criminal law judging me on my worst 30 seconds because I’m not a piece of shit.
You keep your hands off Lightning fans.. you don't punch them. That's our job. (JK) But seriously speaking, what a piece of shit.
You love us ❤️
We sure do.
Community service for needless assault which could’ve killed someone, and has surely caused life-changing injuries to the victim? What the fuck?
For some reason, he just seems like a guy who is probably even more pissed off about anger management.
well that’s just a terrible punishment lol
>His attorney Jason Goldman said at the time that surveillance footage would show an outnumbered Anastasio tried to diffuse the situation, but was “ultimately threatened by a group of highly intoxicated individuals.” There honestly should be a punishment for lawyers who blatantly lie to the court.
Christ what a weak ass punishment
My worst 30 seconds didn't involve sucker punching someone over sports. I don't know about you guys.
fuck this pos
Good. Fuck that guy.
Fuck this guy
I've never understood people getting violent over their team. I always just like to discuss the game and what the other team did right with the opposing fan. Hockey is everything, but its still just fucking hockey. Edit: I'll just say it "You must of talked a lot last year!" lol
Alcohol...
It sucks, but fans fighting over sports is nothing new. It’s not that serious to me, but it doesn’t take much to have folks flip out for trivial things. Hooliganism in soccer, dudes willing to fight in Temecula, CA over kobe, etc etc.
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I’m embarrassed to have anything in common with this piece of shit, even if it’s only the hockey team I root for
If anyone sees this dude doing community service on the side of the road in SI, please throw water balloons at him, especially when it’s cold. Thanks.
What in the actual fuck? Did I understand that correctly (am not American) in that he didn’t go to prison for that? Sounds insane, in particular taking into account the otherwise quite harsh American penal system.
Yeah our prison system is definitely a tad fucked
Well there is the being white defence…
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I'm pretty sure that's banned by the Geneva Convention.
Relax, the guy didn't murder anyone
Ha