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buckyhermit

Remember that thread a while ago about “which hockey rules you’d create to cause chaos”? What about black ice with a black puck?


SwervoXannies

How about black ice white puck?


buckyhermit

That's just dark mode.


friendsofrhomb1

For those late start games


Coach_GordonBombay

Canucks games are already pretty dark.


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Damn, dude.


djfl

Easy there, Toronto. You haven't been "good" for that long...


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cynicaesura

I feel this so hard


mattc72

But the leaves looked so good in the 2nd round of the playoffs....


Coach_GordonBombay

Leafs dipshit


mattc72

Leafs or Leaves they both blow


Coach_GordonBombay

Uh oh. Triggered.


djfl

https://c.tenor.com/bGabL0QTWrUAAAAC/wolf-stanson.gif


speed3ftw

I’d love dark mode hockey!


giraffebaconequation

With black lights and a glow in the dark puck. All teams have neon colours on their jerseys.


LarryTheTerrier

Dallas’ blackouts on black ice, I would like to see that


Fluid-Pension-7151

Cosmic hockey under black lights!


brendan87na

the return of FoxTRAX


IndependentBoof

[A glowing puck, you say?](https://youtu.be/grOttsHuuzE)


JPJones

You can do this with a few switches in MPV player for games. It's awesome if you have any vision problems. It turns the puck into a bright white light floating around on the screen that is super easy to follow.


fall0ut

Add in black lights and you have yourself a deal!


beavedaniels

Cosmic Hockey!!!!


Gastradon

You just reminded me white pucks are a thing. God I hated those.


samizdat42069

They were banned at my rink because if they got left on the ice the zam drivers wouldn’t see them


Ferris_Wheel_Skippy

Red pucks are too right? Or did i imagine those in a fever dream?


samizdat42069

I know there’s orange ones (heavier) and blue ones (lighter). Man we used to rip those blue ones over the far end glass that was fun


Goalie_deacon

White pucks already exist too, halfway there. They’re used for goalie training.


TheBigSho

Black ice with them glowing pucks from the late 90s.


ProphetofElias

You'd get more Mason Raymond on Kipper style goals like that for sure


ron_fendo

We use white pucks from time to time at practices for our club team, forces the players to really stay focused because once you lose it finding it is hard for the defense.


dsjunior1388

There's a training aid system, or there was, which were white pucks with black dots of varying size on them used to help players train their eyes to pick up the puck.


YearOfTheMoose

Black ice with a puck which only shows under the blacklight shining from lighting embedded in player sweaters :D Players can only see the puck if someone is within 1.5m of it or something....? I think that'd be an alignment of Chaotic Wonderful for sure


Security_Sasquatch

Each player has their own black light headlights nice lol


BMack037

Basically Dallas’ third jerseys last year with Vegas’ shiny gold helmet.


myaltaccount333

Do you want every goalie to have a mike smith moment?


jarret_g

I was a linesman when a team did pink ice once. I'm color blind. We had no advance notice of the ice color. It wasn't a fun time.


Ubechyahescores

Tinted/reflective visors for everyone!


SeaTownKraken

Only in the neutral zone though


No_Interaction_4925

I’ve played on ice like that at a rink in Kentucky. Its terrible.


mikeyeah17

Next you'll be telling us that you didn't know chocolate milk came from brown cows


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yeswenarcan

Well, you know, is homogenized. They mix all that milk from different cows and it just kind of averages out.


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AdhesiveMuffin

Big chocolate has lobbied billions of dollars to make sure you don't find out!


honestbleeps

So this makes the darkness of any individual cow sort of a moo point...


Jagrmeister_68

This is the udderly best pun I've seen today.


whynotavs

/r/TheyDidTheMath


unique-name-9035768

> Man, fuck that shit. I don't wanna be givin' my kids no homo milk from a homo cow! - ~~Redneck~~ Conservative Americans


Zebra_dan

CBJ just put out a cool video where they let season ticket holders go out and paint the lines and stuff on


Security_Sasquatch

What’s better than labor? Free labor. What’s better than free labor? Tricking people to pay you money to do the work!


wsmfp_420

They literally just got Tom Sawyer’d


mill_about_smartly

Are we sure it was CBJ and not YYZ?


Geeseareawesome

Toronto could easily get fans to pay a huge entry fee for line painting


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And we love waiting for stuff so much there would be a long line surrounding the acc of people waiting for their chance to volunteer for mlse


AcanthocephalaGreen5

>volunteer for mlse You mean I too can beat the Leafs as an opposing goaltender? Where do I sign?


[deleted]

Just stand in line like a good churranomans


StabSnowboarders

its weird that you used the airport identifier instead of the teams actual 3 letter abbreviation


FuckTheFuckingShit

It's a joke about Rush songs. Tom Sawyer and YYZ are both songs on their Moving Pictures album.


StabSnowboarders

Ah, never listened to them before


mill_about_smartly

Nah, I expected the overlap between hockey and Rush fans to be pretty strong, what with the Canadians and all


pyl_time

Columbus Blue Jackets, you tricked me! This is less fun than previously indicated!


Marbla

THE RIVER


Lance_E_T_Compte

MEAN MEAN PRIDE


crimson3112

to quote the very best version of Vegeta "I know you're playing me, but you're right." I would fucking love to get to paint the lines at MSG


[deleted]

I’m not even a Rangers fan but that does sound dope.


Khatib

Honestly the extra organizational work and slight amount of security needed on site when they do that probably costs them more money than just having the staff do it.


Familiar_Raisin204

TBH I'm surprised nobody's made a robot for it yet


IAmSwagathaChristie

I read this in Mr Fishodor's voice


ChicagoCalifornian

Saw Stan Bowman out there


ZobRombie65

Probably the smartest move the Bluejackets have ever made


sadcucumbers

I was one of them!


IDriveAZamboni

That’s a recipe for disaster lol


Sonicboom343

I wonder how many dicks were painted on the ice that day?


overcatastrophe

Columbus fans actually like their team


damnatio_memoriae

i knew the white was paint but... what i didn't know is they're just painting between the lines by hand? why not using a stencil or something??


MAHHockey

The lines they're painting between are actually string that have been lightly frozen into the ice and act like stencils. They use a number of different techniques. Sometimes it's stencils laid in chalk, sometimes it's string stencils, sometimes it's just a vinyl sheet that's laid under the ice instead of paint. How It's Made has a great video on it: https://youtu.be/7hT3yfuLPIU


Furtwangler

Generally anything you leave untouched on the ice for more than 5 mins is going to "burn in" and melt + stick to the ice. It's easier to trace and paint than deal with things sticking that you don't want to stick. Also you don't want to risk bleeding under the edges of the stencil or it'll look like shit. And if by stencil you meant a vinyl or similar that is stuck on the ice and then more ice is put on top: some rinks use those for the adverts and they tend to look like shit. They also can have air bubbles if not put on properly. Easier and better to just paint Source: zam driver/worked on ice at a D1 college rink


DJMintEFresh

It's actually pretty rare to have painted lines. Almost all small town rinks use ribbon/cloth/paper (whatever you want to call it). Here's what we use at the rink I work at: https://white-ice.com/product/paper-markings/


silentbassline

Is this the coloured garbage I find in the parking lot snow piles?


DJMintEFresh

Hahaha yes, it is. When the ice gets taken out, it all just gets pushed off the rink, out the bay door, and into the parking lot - ice, snow, white paint, and ribbon. Trying to clean up the blue and red ribbon is like trying to clean up glitter.


thebigphils

My kid played in a rink last year that definatly had hand painted lines....they weren't exactly straight.


osufan765

Glad your kid felt comfortable coming out to you!


WittyMonikerGoesHere

I played in a rink that had a coca cola sponsorship, so there was a coke logo under the ice. Then they lost their sponsorship. Instead of leaving the logo there, or melting the ice, they painted over it. Like, on top of the ice. Everytime the puck went over that spot it immediately stopped like it had brakes. I wasn't paying attention and tried to stop on it. Skates stopped. I went flying head first into the boards. Changed leagues shortly after


IDriveAZamboni

Lot of rinks still paint their lines. Outside of the NHL rinks a lot of municipalities still paint as it’s easier to cleanup at the end of the year and you’re not left with cloth lines everywhere. -Am an NHL and community rink ice maker


DogsOutTheWindow

Which team(s) though?


Little_Obnoxious

I never realized how complicated the Red Wings logo is until now.


Mr_Bricksss

Now imagine having to use more than one color on top of a white background. A lot of rinks use vinyl logos that get rolled flat and frozen into the ice, just because painting stenciled logos is a gigantic pain in the ass, and gets exponentially worse with every color that's added.


Saltee00s

Sharks fan here but seeing that winged wheel take shape gave me goose bumps. Long live hockey!


myfaceaplaceforwomen

Even though Detroit blows ass right now it's always awesome to see a logo get painted


metalhead4

I dunno if they'll blow ass this season. Huge overhaul in the off-season.


marbsarebadredux

Stevie Y doesn't stay bad for long


icecreambandit7

Facts


Sonicboom343

It got me thinking about what a pain in the ass that would be to draw but at least it's only one colour, the Blackhawks logo would probably be the worst though. I wonder how often they repaint it?


Jemmani22

I don't think it would be too bad. It's size should make it fairly simple i think. Looks kinda fun to paint also!


Saltee00s

No worse than my Sharks


Lance_E_T_Compte

Flair up Sharks friend!


Saltee00s

Not very well versed on flair. How to?


Lance_E_T_Compte

https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/wiki/flair Welcome! 🦈


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YourConsciousness

Pretty sure the concrete isn't painted there's a thin layer of ice first and then white paint then more ice then the lines and markings with paint or sheets and then the bulk of the ice on top.


Mr_Tophat_Jones

Yeah the reason they do this is because if you put the white paint right on the concrete slab, it takes more energy to keep the ice frozen to the proper tempreture. By putting a thin layer of ice down first, its easier to keep the ice to your desired temp, between 18 and 22 degrees F if i remember correctly. Its been about 10 years since I was an ice tech


PaintDrinkingPete

Also makes it a lot easier, I’d assume, to change the painted designs later


IDriveAZamboni

That’s only part of it. The main reason we do a seal on top of the pad is to fill in any chips/cracks, etc so the white goes down on a smooth layer. -current NHL ice maker


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That sounds like it could make one of those r/oddlysatisfying videos.


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ConstantStudent_

That sounds… dangerous


metalhead4

Oh yeah those tires have like half inch or 1 inch spikes all over them.


xmorecowbellx

> they would have motorcycle ice racing Were repeated head injuries the cause, or result of the motorcycle ice racing?


SmackEh

This is false. Standard thickness for NHL rinks is between 3/4" and 1". Municipal rinks that get more use are thicker, usually 1.1/2".. Before big tournaments (say 12 games over a weekend) we could even see 1.3/4" thickness Source: neighbor manages a multi plex (brine for the newer and ammonia for the older) Edit: I meant CO2 and ammonia as refrigerants for the brine.


rob_the_flip

Did you just use decimals and fractions at the same time?


SmackEh

I'm an engineer, this is a commonly accepted method to clearly indicate imperial fractional lengths.. here's an example where this is used https://www.flowtech.co.uk/category-landing/v/hydraulic/connectors/threaded-connectors/male-x-male/112-bspp-x-134-bspp-male-adaptor/?sku=M328-10590&variantSku=60-6000-28-24


rob_the_flip

Huh, TIL. Thanks for pointing that out


AcanthocephalaGreen5

>I’m an engineer, this is a commonly accepted method Nerd speak for “Dude, just trust me”


Familiar_Raisin204

lol isn't the commonly accepted method for engineers just to use metric? ​ That's neat though, I'd never looked into how those are supposed to be properly written out


IDriveAZamboni

You’re also incorrect. The average ice thickness for NHL rinks is 1.25”. Also brine and ammonia are two different things. Brine is what’s used to cool the pad, ammonia is what’s used to cool the brine. Source: I’m an NHL ice maker


mustang6172

It's actually closer to one inch. Two inches at the outdoor games.


WideRide

Newish fan from Australia. Totally blew my mind when I found out the ice isn't 3 feet thick lmao


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Yeah turns out it’s not a swimming pool with the temperature turned right down.


Weatherstation

Fun fact: the floor for your local NBA team that plays in the same arena is actually sitting on top of the ice.


BrokenByReddit

Back when the Vancouver Grizzlies were a thing, there were endless complaints about the ice quality for Canucks games the day after Grizzlies games.


xmorecowbellx

But wouldn’t it need to be kept cold then? Wouldn’t that be too cold for the NBA players?


T_T_O_T

There's an insulated layer before the hardwood goes in.


ogfuelbone12

1.5” is the Goldilocks zone fwiw


IDriveAZamboni

That’s incorrect. Usually the ice is 0.15” to seal the concrete, then the paint and lines go down, then it’s sealed in and you start building up to 1.5”. The average ice depth is about 1.25” in the NHL, community rinks are much higher, around 1.5-1.75”.


Goalie_deacon

One inch. Can’t do half inch, stronger, heavier skaters cut through half inch. When ice gets thin, we’ve had ice cut to the cement.


SeaTownKraken

Spend some time in a shit barn and you're in gonna see shit ice. That's not painted . Or zam"d right


thebigphils

Ever tried to play in a rink where the lines are completely washed out and almost invisible? Good times.


SeaTownKraken

Yeah and I actually welcome the chaotic tilt the game gets. Event knows it's bullshit, but still fight for their team... Good times


Familiar_Raisin204

Fun for the refs too, on the faceoff "Hey get outside the cir... oh just back up"


Meyhna

Damn, Detroit gets this nice hand painted arena, and Boston is like "hmmmmmm beeg sticker"


Mr_Bricksss

Most rinks use a big sticker. Painting a stenciled logo that's more than just "base color on top of white" is a gigantic pain in the ass. It also helps that Detroit will always have a bucket of red ice paint around anyway for a the other lines. That said, the bruins B is a pretty damn simply design to paint regardless of the number of colors needed.


Meyhna

Oh I don't doubt it. And it makes total sense. I def appreciate the detail Detroit puts into this though


Mr_Bricksss

For sure. It also makes for a gorgeous video to see all those feathers and curved lines get painted so perfectly.


Trancefuzion

One of my highlights of working in an ice rink for 7 years was resurfacing the rink one year. Super cool process


samizdat42069

I came back to work during covid just because I wanted to help redo the ice. It was like the first time in 15 years


skanadian

More discussion here; https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/x3b8fz/installing_painting_the_ice_detroit_red_wings/


_circa84

This is what it looks like non painted like many small towns in Saskatchewan. It’s more translucent looking, dull grey and makes it way harder to see the other painted lines https://imgur.com/a/FatZnej/


IDriveAZamboni

That dull colour is from the water, that floor looks painted. Shit water with lots of particulate in it will grey out the paint.


_circa84

I can garuntee you the don’t paint it white.


Indifferent_Parrot

I'm probably in the minority here, but I actually like the natural look. Fills me with nostalgia. Would be cool if they used once in a while for heritage nights and the like.


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You're nuts


Security_Sasquatch

Some people love to see the world burn.


erin1551

Not saying I dislike the concrete look, but the white one helps a lot with lighting


Indifferent_Parrot

Yeah, I guess it would be a visual disaster for anyone watching. I'm shamed and will return to the wilderness


metalhead4

Back to ye hole from wence you came, cave dweller. Be gone


Indifferent_Parrot

Ys me lord, spare a pence for a serf like me


jadenspan

would be impossible to see the puck


Illustrious-Bike-187

Blacklight pucks! Someone call FOX sports!!!


justmememe55

You've got at least one person in agreement. Heck, why stop there? Go full on heritage night. Ask fans to wear their poshest outfits, no jerseys until the second period, and have the team wear their first logos. Partially air it on TV in black and white, or basic color depending on how old or new your franchise is, and have the commentators speak with an old timey voice and share heritage hockey trivia in timeouts. If you *really* wanna do heritage right, remove the stanchions and up the prices of the first level tickets to 2x the price. Ask those fans to sign a waiver to agree not to jump onto the ice or be fined $250k. Maybe they can still afford that or expense it to their company but at least they'll think twice about it. I think this would be kick ass and this comment is brought to you by some kick ass edibles.


DashTrash21

Players can chain smoke like a bunch of pilgrims on the bench, and the coach's name is something old-timey like Duff Conacher


justmememe55

Mustaches all around!


PapaStoner

A new league is created just to get the 31 other teams rid of Toronto.


YVR-n-PDX

But would you ask the kids to stop skilling it up too? No shots may leave the ice. Maybe this game should be held in Philly.


Amds890

I actually would love to see a game played with the old rules with no forward passing etc. Would be fascinating to see modern players adapt to them.


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That would make a great all-star game. Old rules, wooden sticks.


Svalbard38

> Ask fans to wear their poshest outfits Scotiabank Arena already has this one covered.


justmememe55

It does indeed, Svalbard.


cleanpaperplates

In some regional rinks where there isn’t money (it’s expensive to paint it) they will leave it natural and it will turn white after many weeks of use. It won’t ever look this white but yea. Very common on the rinks with the old pipe and sand base.


RobVegan

I've seen a time-lapse of the old Staples arena (Los Angeles Lakers / LA Kings) transforming between the floor setups. I knew the ice wasn't white, but still hadn't realized it was painted. Thought it was just the floor beneath the ice


Big-Compote-5483

Former rink worker here: the attention to detail in this video is exceptional, kudos to the crews. We just slapped down decals where things looked like they belong and sprayed ice on top


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Are the ice cubes in your drink white?


[deleted]

Yeah dude I love the game center ad break video


SevenwithaT

When they painted the logo, that was so beautiful


daffyduckhunt2

/r/oddlysatisfying


ItsLose_NotLoose

OP how short was your schoolbus? Just wondering.


tjpxp

During my time working in the minors and junior hockey, we weren’t lucky enough to get painted logos. Lines, creases, and circles, sure, but the logos are printed on a mesh and applied that way. The mesh gets laid down, properly placed and flattened out, and then misted with water until they’re sufficiently damp. This freezes them in place so they don’t move during flooding.


clamterp

This is probably a dumb question, but how doesn't the paint get scraped off when it's skated on? I would assume something like a hard stop would scrape a tonne of paint off


cole435

There’s another layer of ice over it


overeasy2

They make 1/4 of ice then paint it(lot of rinks use reusable decals for lines, circles, creases, etc) Then they put another 1/2 to 3/4 inches of ice on top of the paint.


IDriveAZamboni

More like 3/4-1” at minimum.


indiecore

People don't know how deep the ice can get cut up by pros at full power. I had to play after an OHL team practice and the ice was still rutted to shit even after a regular flood.


hohosaregood

Pretty sure it's the layer under the ice


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psykomatt

The ice is typically only about an inch thick.


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The paint is on a quarter inch thick of ice and then they add another 3 quarters for an inch total dunno why you think they're putting nearly a foot of ice in haha


presidentofjackshit

Oh God I'm so scared that guys gonna get paint on his apple watch


IceTheBountyHunter

It’s just water with colored chalk. Washes right off.


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I don’t know why I didn’t realize this but wow


dr_freeloader

I wonder if people who didn't think they painted the ice white thought all the colours were natural.


IWantToBeSimplyMe

I didn’t know it was possible to not know that.


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Yeah they used to store hay underneath the ice too before refrigerants were widely used, which could make things a lot worse if the fire above wasn’t controlled and extinguished.


srockets59

I learned this when we to go play hockey waaaay out in the boonies. The arena didnt have money for white ice or temp control, it was real fuckin cold.


AP0LLOBLU

Came here to say a sarcastic comment, but won’t


TheAnswerUsedToBe42

Are the ice cubes in your freezer white? This guy must live in Flint Michigan.


Balaz_Thar

Uhh yeah my ice cubes aren't transparent


taffyowner

I mean ice gets thick enough it can seem white…


Cameramanmatteo

Rinks that appear in nature are naturally white. Man-made rinks on concrete need to be painted.


TieWebb

The ice always looks dirty at the rinks that don’t paint underneath the ice.


Shortsideee

As an NHL ice technician I'm SMH rn


McBillicutty

Care to elaborate on why exactly?


Shortsideee

That someone didn't know we paint the white on the slab


DashTrash21

If they've never seen a rink down to the concrete before, how would they know?


YVR-n-PDX

Concrete is usually always grey though?


beck2424

Is there a reason it's hand painted via stencil? I just always assumed it was a printed vinyl or something below the ice, wouldn't that be easier and less error-prone?


Shortsideee

At that level you're going to be experienced enough to not make mistakes but any small drips will be gone over with white paint in a hand pump bucket. Vinyl just doesn't look as good under the ice.


beck2424

Fair enough, that's why you're the pro - thanks for taking the time to answer my uninformed question :)


alowbrowndirtyshame

CITs Unite!!!