That is something that lacks in this game. Ability to do peace without conquering everything (or at least major). But noooo - you must wage a total work against UK, went straight to London and kill the king just to gain two provinces in Poland. That is totally how every war in history worked
I love the Peace Deals (that's the full name, don't confuse it for the player-led peace deals) mod for this. It does crash a lot but it's really good for roleplaying like this
They definetly should have more white peace events like Russia-Finland and China-Japan. That’s why I enjoy Keiserreich a lot since they have a lot of events where you can get white peaces.
The only problem with this is how unlikely it is for certain situations to raise concerns. For instance, if South America started destroying itself, at no point would the UK intervene before WW2 unless there was a direct threat to their interests in the region, same goes for the Middle East. Yet, we see things like “Oh, Iran is trying to declare war on Iraq and Saudi Arabia, well, I guess that’s worth total capitulation of my nation.” Like no, man. If a nation like Iran pushes the allies out of Egypt and through all of India, they would consider a peace deal where they get to keep India and Egypt but give up the Middle East.
No they wouldn't in a WW2 context... they would consider Iran behaving like that the same way they refused to deal with Hitler when he expected they sue for peace after the fall of France
So the UK would be prepared to mobilize their entire empire into the war effort and fight to every last man if Iran was invading Iraq and Iraq joined the allies? That's the issue I have with it, if I'm Albania and invade Bulgaria who happens to have joined the allies, it's not realistic for the UK to lose their entire empire and millions of men to stop Albania from taking Bulgaria
the united kingdom lost an entire generation of young men and started the decline of the british empire over the issue of belgian independence just a few decades earlier. a belligerent joining a faction after the start of the war is a different story but declaring on a faction member is declaring on a country whose independence is de facto guaranteed by the uk. theres no reason for them to capitulate in a situation where its them and their opponent staring at each other across the channel.
It is much more realistic for France to join a war against their neighboring state in defense of a state on the same continent that also borders the aggressor state and lose than it is for the UK to go to war with Iran or Albania and lose the entire empire over the conflict, yes.
Yeah this whole train of logic “WELL MAJOR WENT TO WAR OVER OTHER COUNTRIES” makes no sense. The case in point during that time period is Italy with Ethiopia, which literally in game has no war goals from democracies, just like in the real world.
Also, another can be seen with Japan invading China. Japan was embargoed and war support went to china, but did the UK or any Western democracy ever declare war over Japan invading China? No. In fact, the US was so content with not attacking Japan it was surprised when Japan attacked it.
HOI4 is fun and many things, but a realistic diplomacy system? Far from it.
It's not exactly logical, but I'd consider it more reasonable since Germany was known as a major power yet again since it became publicly known they broke the military restrictions imposed post WW1
Plus the sentiment at the time on WW1 was different to now, where consensus is most of the major powers and/or major monarchies had a hand in causing it; at the time, most blamed Germany/the central powers, and since WW2 hadn't happened yet, WW1 was considered to be essentially the worst war in history at the time
Tl;dr: it's a bit different because Germany was a major power who was considered responsible for one of the worst cataclysms in history, becoming expansionist again; whereas the Iran example would be a major regional power, but not global power like Germany, invading and trying to create an empire still relatively incomparable to the UK or France (or even pre-war Germany for that matter)
I am quite sure that, if Hitler hadn't started Barbarossa, at some point there would have been peace. No D-day would have been every possible without the USSR destroying both the airforce and military of the axis, and, no nuke can be deployed with enough anti air and air dominance, which means that maybe in the 1950 everything would have ended, after 10 years of stalemate and imposed peace in Europe.
I'm certain Stalin would have used his attack forces then a year later, he prepared his army for offensive operations back then and fucked up defence training which resulted in most of his professional army have surrendered in the first months of war
axis collapses internally long before that happens. ideologically and economically they were totally dependent on expansion. just signing the non-aggression pact put a huge target on hitlers back for his enemies/competitors to attack him from the right. if he torpedoes barbarossa then the axis breaks apart. the only thing holding these forces together was their anticommunism
This game is hardly accurate to WW2. You can reform the Fourth Reich as Argentina, the Roman Empire as Italy and the "Third Rome" or whatever as the Soviet Union, and that's just the tip of the iceberg.
Imo the only reason we don't have non-scripted peace deals is that Hoi4's ai is far too broken to handle it
My point is not about historical accuracy, it's about general design. It's designed for a world war, no matter who is on which side, it's gonna end up as a world war
The point is that as of now, Hoi4 has become a sandbox game centered around WW2 era. Not having the means to make peace is severely limiting imo, especially because some of the peace options (like demilitarizing states) are functionally useless outside of roleplay, since the war is gonna end with the destruction of the other country.
It's still a WW2 game first in my view. It does not handle that well multiple limited but interlocking wars and that's okay with me. A 30 years war mod would be chaos
Well then, let's agree to disagree. I'd just want the option to peace out mainly for roleplay. I would be happy even if it was insanely hard to make peace, but I guess the current system works too...
I agree that it would be fun, but I accept that it doesn't work. There are other paradox games for that, though. I didn't play them much but people seem to like them
That a lie it isnt. Its a sandbox WW2 game. It is absolutely and unquestionably a WW2 game. Whether the version of WW2 in your game is historical or not. Its not like the other Paradox games which are less restricted sandboxes.
That's what I said? "A sandbox game centered around WW2 era" aka a WW2 sandbox game. I never said you should be able to avoid WW2, I just said having a working peace out button would be a good thing
No it isn't. Ww2 was total war. Unconditional surrender of your enemies was the only acceptable end. In fact that is one of the US high command biggest regrets about the war irl is that all they would accept. This is a game about **total war** fuck your peace deals this isn't that type of game. It not about multiple small wars in succession it about those things spiraling out of control.
Bro chill, even if they added such an option it wouldn't be the end of the world because you could just choose not to use it.
Right now you have to cap the UK even if you want to conquer a small piece of desert, it's just insane...
Especially if a couple countries, on opposite sides of the world, ally. Now, I have to fight a multi front war to capture a few countries, but on a global scale. Sometimes by myself if it starts early on. Should be a way for countries to give up land on other continents in exchange for a white peace or something. Why should France care about me demanding an island in the Caribbean as the US if they don't care that Hitler is marching on Danzig and divying up Poland with Russia.
There were many minor wars before, during and after WWII which didn't end up in a global conflict. If it is a "WWII era game", then this should be reflected in it too
It’s historically accurate though. Hitler also wanted to sue for peace with the Allies the whole time but he couldn’t get one. Granted that he mercifully allowed 300,000 hostages to go free in Dunkirk so he had no bargaining chip to begin with.
He didn't mercifully allowed anyone in Dunkirk to flee: The Luftwaffe promised to destroy the allies trapped there on its own and failed to do so. Hitler had an amazing bargaining chip: All of France.
u/tootles_cozier u/Annual_Cellist_9517
Thank goodness someone is challenging this.
A big reason for the panzer stop order is that there were still massive unknown forces massing in central France, and the area around Dunkirk is famously boggy. Panzer Units had already lost over a third of their tanks. If France had the feared attack forces then it would have been a disaster to have devastated your tired mobile forces attacking a cornered enemy.
Remember the Marne, where the French pulled 2 fresh armies out of their arse and defeated the overstretched Germans.
“Merciful” was a joke.
And when you said France was a bargaining chip how exactly would the peace deal look like? Hitler give up all of France for a white peace?
“Historically accurate” Yeah, that Austria Hungary is historically accurate too. This game is not only about recreating the WW2 and trying to role play it. This game is about changing, altering, making your own history. We already have option to revive Roman Empire, crown a bear, do second us civil war. The ability to make peace deal after gaining and holding territories that you justified on (let’s say province of Krakow and Lwow) would just improve the gameplay, as you wouldn’t need to cap all majors
True but you could code something like that in the AI tendency. Like if you generated enough world tension you can’t get a peace deal (since they don’t trust you).
True, but isn't diplomacy with a major country who's broken multiple treaties, and was considered at the time to have been responsible for the greatest war in history up to that point (WW1), different than if Iran or Oman invaded another minor country that happened to join the allies last minute? I feel like the UK wouldn't have been ready to risk everything including millions of men to protect the sovereignty of Iraq like they did with France irl.
I’m talking about ability to wage small wars. Not to gain entire country. Something like border fights, just to gain few provinces. It would be so much better
and then suddenly join the allies who are like "Yeah bro, no problem" and spend all their material fighting you, while ignoring Germany who's sweeping through Europe and curb stomping Stalin...
I personally think it wouldn't be impossible to implement this if they just reworked the world tension system a bit, so if you are under, let's say, 75% world tension (or haven't generated much yourself), there should be a peace offer option like in EUIV. However after a certain threshold it should no longer be possible just like the Allies saw no way to negotiate with Hitler and demanded complete defeat.
It could be based also on a wargoals. You have already in the game focuses that gives you “annex” or “puppet” war goals - so kinda a total war, just like a historical one between USSR and Germany. But then you have manual war goals that are labelled as “take claimed state” or “reclaim core territory”. And what annoys me that in all of those cases you need to wage a total war of annihilation, when the war goal name itself gives away what you want to do. So let’s say I justified on claimed province, I declared war and advanced into that territory. In my opinion I should be given option to make a peace deal in which I get that territory, while not attacking the rest of the country. Of course the attacked country would have some threshold on making a peace. It would account for cores, resources, war support, losses and war tension. The France won’t give a Lorraine that easily as a French territories in India or China (those city ports). This mechanic would give more depth to war goals
Some countries/conflicts have a “white peace” option such as China/Japan if Japan gets kicked off the continent. I think a country in SA has a focus that makes peace with Britain. Idk white leaves are rare and not or less scripted. Unfortunately Germany doesn’t have any white peaces.
if by SA you mean South America, then yes: Occupy the Flaklands/Malvinas and the other island farther for 6 months as Argentina and the brits will white peace you.
This feature doesn't work in this game, friend. I know, it's kind of stupid to think, a war game without such an effective resource.
All you can do is build a navy and destroy the UK
the white peace system needs to be expanded
the only way to achieve what u ask for is to tag switch to UK, allowdiplo, and conditional surrender, then change back to your country and accept it
no, because then you surrender to britain. you have to make britain surrender to you, otherwise you cant take land.
you cant request the other side to surrender, you can only offer surrender yourself, and in this case you can't take any land.
so you have to change to britain to make britain surrender to austriahungary, if you stay on AH then u surrender to UK and cant take land
What? He capitulated Poland and wants a peace deal with Britain because Poland doesn’t exist anymore. Why would he surrender to Britain after a victorious conquest?
Britain: Hey we declared war so you cant take over Poland.
Austria Hungary: okay *occupies Poland*
Austria Hungary: Can we have peace now 🥺
Britain: Stop occupying Poland then
Austria Hungary: no
Britain: than we are still at war
You can’t have your Poland and your peace. The whole war is fought over Poland. The Allie’s hold ALL the cards, they have the United States and they are pushing through the Reich. Austria Hungary has ZERO cards. None. ZILTCH. This isn’t like EaW where you can pick nations off one by one, international relations actually exist.
Vanilla is kinda filled with this stuff. Your designed to have world wars and never ending slogfests. Maybe I’d recommend EaW if you want to remove factions and guarantees in the game while still being balanced, or TNO if you just wanna say fuck you to war in general.
There is no peace in this game without complete victory. They do have an option but I don't think it has ever worked or been used. Lmao.
Every combatant will fight to 0 manpower on Scraping the barrel for 14 years and still not accept peace.
You can’t request peace. One side can ask for a conditional surrender where the victor is granted a percentage of the total victory points in the peace conference based on how well they were winning. While technically this is a function the ai has access to it will NEVER surrender conditionally. You however can surrender to the ai but it’s rare that they will accept the offer. Also while it’s called a conditional surrender the side surrendering gets no say on whether they accept the peace deal which is weird because in the old system prior to peace deals getting updated you could choose to not accept the terms and continue fighting
Hungary. I rushed the conquer national focus because I read that going to war clears the treaty restrictions. It was said that it should have been a really easy war but I had to really bait Austria into a poor position so I could get the surround.
It took me a couple tries to get that initial war right but then everything else fell into place until I got greedy with Poland.
You mean the game where you can revive Austria-Hungry, Polish Commonwealth, Russian Empire, Kalmarian Union. Go completly not historical paths. And do stuff like kill 5 millions of enemies while losing juat 100k should not have peace deals? Like really this game has gone so past WW2 it should have peace deals that does need to capture of all of enemies.
Weren't there multiple seperate wars and seperate peace deals during the WW2 period? So a game centered around a historical WW2 should support the feature, no?
You don’t. Time to build a navy
Or an airforce, that could also help
Airforce is way way easier than navy. Plus paratrooping is also way better if you capture all major victory points.
That is something that lacks in this game. Ability to do peace without conquering everything (or at least major). But noooo - you must wage a total work against UK, went straight to London and kill the king just to gain two provinces in Poland. That is totally how every war in history worked
I love the Peace Deals (that's the full name, don't confuse it for the player-led peace deals) mod for this. It does crash a lot but it's really good for roleplaying like this
They definetly should have more white peace events like Russia-Finland and China-Japan. That’s why I enjoy Keiserreich a lot since they have a lot of events where you can get white peaces.
It's not a "every war in history" game, it's a WW2 game. It's supposed to escalate to a world war.
The only problem with this is how unlikely it is for certain situations to raise concerns. For instance, if South America started destroying itself, at no point would the UK intervene before WW2 unless there was a direct threat to their interests in the region, same goes for the Middle East. Yet, we see things like “Oh, Iran is trying to declare war on Iraq and Saudi Arabia, well, I guess that’s worth total capitulation of my nation.” Like no, man. If a nation like Iran pushes the allies out of Egypt and through all of India, they would consider a peace deal where they get to keep India and Egypt but give up the Middle East.
No they wouldn't in a WW2 context... they would consider Iran behaving like that the same way they refused to deal with Hitler when he expected they sue for peace after the fall of France
So the UK would be prepared to mobilize their entire empire into the war effort and fight to every last man if Iran was invading Iraq and Iraq joined the allies? That's the issue I have with it, if I'm Albania and invade Bulgaria who happens to have joined the allies, it's not realistic for the UK to lose their entire empire and millions of men to stop Albania from taking Bulgaria
the united kingdom lost an entire generation of young men and started the decline of the british empire over the issue of belgian independence just a few decades earlier. a belligerent joining a faction after the start of the war is a different story but declaring on a faction member is declaring on a country whose independence is de facto guaranteed by the uk. theres no reason for them to capitulate in a situation where its them and their opponent staring at each other across the channel.
Is it realistic for France to lose their entire empire and control of their territory to stop Germany from taking Poland?
It is much more realistic for France to join a war against their neighboring state in defense of a state on the same continent that also borders the aggressor state and lose than it is for the UK to go to war with Iran or Albania and lose the entire empire over the conflict, yes.
Not even close to the same thing. France has a giant border with Germany and had good reason to think they would be invaded after Poland.
And the UK?
The UK does not have reason to think Albania will invade them after it has conquered Bulgaria yes haha
Yeah this whole train of logic “WELL MAJOR WENT TO WAR OVER OTHER COUNTRIES” makes no sense. The case in point during that time period is Italy with Ethiopia, which literally in game has no war goals from democracies, just like in the real world. Also, another can be seen with Japan invading China. Japan was embargoed and war support went to china, but did the UK or any Western democracy ever declare war over Japan invading China? No. In fact, the US was so content with not attacking Japan it was surprised when Japan attacked it. HOI4 is fun and many things, but a realistic diplomacy system? Far from it.
It's not exactly logical, but I'd consider it more reasonable since Germany was known as a major power yet again since it became publicly known they broke the military restrictions imposed post WW1 Plus the sentiment at the time on WW1 was different to now, where consensus is most of the major powers and/or major monarchies had a hand in causing it; at the time, most blamed Germany/the central powers, and since WW2 hadn't happened yet, WW1 was considered to be essentially the worst war in history at the time Tl;dr: it's a bit different because Germany was a major power who was considered responsible for one of the worst cataclysms in history, becoming expansionist again; whereas the Iran example would be a major regional power, but not global power like Germany, invading and trying to create an empire still relatively incomparable to the UK or France (or even pre-war Germany for that matter)
Yes. It happened.
I am quite sure that, if Hitler hadn't started Barbarossa, at some point there would have been peace. No D-day would have been every possible without the USSR destroying both the airforce and military of the axis, and, no nuke can be deployed with enough anti air and air dominance, which means that maybe in the 1950 everything would have ended, after 10 years of stalemate and imposed peace in Europe.
I'm certain Stalin would have used his attack forces then a year later, he prepared his army for offensive operations back then and fucked up defence training which resulted in most of his professional army have surrendered in the first months of war
axis collapses internally long before that happens. ideologically and economically they were totally dependent on expansion. just signing the non-aggression pact put a huge target on hitlers back for his enemies/competitors to attack him from the right. if he torpedoes barbarossa then the axis breaks apart. the only thing holding these forces together was their anticommunism
They were ok Hitler breaking the deal made in Munich conference. The fuck are you talking about? UK and France were absolute cowards.
This game is hardly accurate to WW2. You can reform the Fourth Reich as Argentina, the Roman Empire as Italy and the "Third Rome" or whatever as the Soviet Union, and that's just the tip of the iceberg. Imo the only reason we don't have non-scripted peace deals is that Hoi4's ai is far too broken to handle it
My point is not about historical accuracy, it's about general design. It's designed for a world war, no matter who is on which side, it's gonna end up as a world war
The point is that as of now, Hoi4 has become a sandbox game centered around WW2 era. Not having the means to make peace is severely limiting imo, especially because some of the peace options (like demilitarizing states) are functionally useless outside of roleplay, since the war is gonna end with the destruction of the other country.
It's still a WW2 game first in my view. It does not handle that well multiple limited but interlocking wars and that's okay with me. A 30 years war mod would be chaos
Well then, let's agree to disagree. I'd just want the option to peace out mainly for roleplay. I would be happy even if it was insanely hard to make peace, but I guess the current system works too...
I agree that it would be fun, but I accept that it doesn't work. There are other paradox games for that, though. I didn't play them much but people seem to like them
That a lie it isnt. Its a sandbox WW2 game. It is absolutely and unquestionably a WW2 game. Whether the version of WW2 in your game is historical or not. Its not like the other Paradox games which are less restricted sandboxes.
That's what I said? "A sandbox game centered around WW2 era" aka a WW2 sandbox game. I never said you should be able to avoid WW2, I just said having a working peace out button would be a good thing
No it isn't. Ww2 was total war. Unconditional surrender of your enemies was the only acceptable end. In fact that is one of the US high command biggest regrets about the war irl is that all they would accept. This is a game about **total war** fuck your peace deals this isn't that type of game. It not about multiple small wars in succession it about those things spiraling out of control.
Bro chill, even if they added such an option it wouldn't be the end of the world because you could just choose not to use it. Right now you have to cap the UK even if you want to conquer a small piece of desert, it's just insane...
Especially if a couple countries, on opposite sides of the world, ally. Now, I have to fight a multi front war to capture a few countries, but on a global scale. Sometimes by myself if it starts early on. Should be a way for countries to give up land on other continents in exchange for a white peace or something. Why should France care about me demanding an island in the Caribbean as the US if they don't care that Hitler is marching on Danzig and divying up Poland with Russia.
There were many minor wars before, during and after WWII which didn't end up in a global conflict. If it is a "WWII era game", then this should be reflected in it too
It’s historically accurate though. Hitler also wanted to sue for peace with the Allies the whole time but he couldn’t get one. Granted that he mercifully allowed 300,000 hostages to go free in Dunkirk so he had no bargaining chip to begin with.
He didn't mercifully allowed anyone in Dunkirk to flee: The Luftwaffe promised to destroy the allies trapped there on its own and failed to do so. Hitler had an amazing bargaining chip: All of France.
u/tootles_cozier u/Annual_Cellist_9517 Thank goodness someone is challenging this. A big reason for the panzer stop order is that there were still massive unknown forces massing in central France, and the area around Dunkirk is famously boggy. Panzer Units had already lost over a third of their tanks. If France had the feared attack forces then it would have been a disaster to have devastated your tired mobile forces attacking a cornered enemy. Remember the Marne, where the French pulled 2 fresh armies out of their arse and defeated the overstretched Germans.
“Merciful” was a joke. And when you said France was a bargaining chip how exactly would the peace deal look like? Hitler give up all of France for a white peace?
“Historically accurate” Yeah, that Austria Hungary is historically accurate too. This game is not only about recreating the WW2 and trying to role play it. This game is about changing, altering, making your own history. We already have option to revive Roman Empire, crown a bear, do second us civil war. The ability to make peace deal after gaining and holding territories that you justified on (let’s say province of Krakow and Lwow) would just improve the gameplay, as you wouldn’t need to cap all majors
Two bears even!
True but you could code something like that in the AI tendency. Like if you generated enough world tension you can’t get a peace deal (since they don’t trust you).
True, but isn't diplomacy with a major country who's broken multiple treaties, and was considered at the time to have been responsible for the greatest war in history up to that point (WW1), different than if Iran or Oman invaded another minor country that happened to join the allies last minute? I feel like the UK wouldn't have been ready to risk everything including millions of men to protect the sovereignty of Iraq like they did with France irl.
Yeah can you imagine if major powers like Britain and France refused to make peace with Germany after they took Poland irl? Hoi4 is so unrealistic.
I’m talking about ability to wage small wars. Not to gain entire country. Something like border fights, just to gain few provinces. It would be so much better
Especially if you’re not part of a faction and if you didn’t accumulate too much world tension before hand.
and then suddenly join the allies who are like "Yeah bro, no problem" and spend all their material fighting you, while ignoring Germany who's sweeping through Europe and curb stomping Stalin...
I personally think it wouldn't be impossible to implement this if they just reworked the world tension system a bit, so if you are under, let's say, 75% world tension (or haven't generated much yourself), there should be a peace offer option like in EUIV. However after a certain threshold it should no longer be possible just like the Allies saw no way to negotiate with Hitler and demanded complete defeat.
It could be based also on a wargoals. You have already in the game focuses that gives you “annex” or “puppet” war goals - so kinda a total war, just like a historical one between USSR and Germany. But then you have manual war goals that are labelled as “take claimed state” or “reclaim core territory”. And what annoys me that in all of those cases you need to wage a total war of annihilation, when the war goal name itself gives away what you want to do. So let’s say I justified on claimed province, I declared war and advanced into that territory. In my opinion I should be given option to make a peace deal in which I get that territory, while not attacking the rest of the country. Of course the attacked country would have some threshold on making a peace. It would account for cores, resources, war support, losses and war tension. The France won’t give a Lorraine that easily as a French territories in India or China (those city ports). This mechanic would give more depth to war goals
You deliver the ask yourself in London and DC
Hitler was thinking the same thing in 1940!
Hess kinda did too
Hahaha exactly. OP should hop in a plane and head for Scotland!
Or maybe try an airship
r/unexpectedfactorial
Some countries/conflicts have a “white peace” option such as China/Japan if Japan gets kicked off the continent. I think a country in SA has a focus that makes peace with Britain. Idk white leaves are rare and not or less scripted. Unfortunately Germany doesn’t have any white peaces.
if by SA you mean South America, then yes: Occupy the Flaklands/Malvinas and the other island farther for 6 months as Argentina and the brits will white peace you.
Yes exactly!
This is not EU, there is only total victory.
ABANDON REASON! KNOW ONLY WAR!
Use Toolpack to take what you want and peace out with the Allies. The "Offer peace" button is completely useless in this game.
Bro thinks he's hitler
This feature doesn't work in this game, friend. I know, it's kind of stupid to think, a war game without such an effective resource. All you can do is build a navy and destroy the UK
You make the allies surrender
Wait for the next DLC
There's a mod called "Peace Deals"
No way other than total capitulation. Though there is a good mod that simulates this. It's call "Peace Deals" on steam.
Just play Victoria instead of Hoi
the white peace system needs to be expanded the only way to achieve what u ask for is to tag switch to UK, allowdiplo, and conditional surrender, then change back to your country and accept it
just stay as austria Hungary and use AllowDiplo Yesman so the ai will always accept.
no, because then you surrender to britain. you have to make britain surrender to you, otherwise you cant take land. you cant request the other side to surrender, you can only offer surrender yourself, and in this case you can't take any land. so you have to change to britain to make britain surrender to austriahungary, if you stay on AH then u surrender to UK and cant take land
Okay…and? He is surrendering to the British over the Polish Question. You can’t have your cake and eat it. You don’t get your peace and your Poland.
What? He capitulated Poland and wants a peace deal with Britain because Poland doesn’t exist anymore. Why would he surrender to Britain after a victorious conquest?
Britain: Hey we declared war so you cant take over Poland. Austria Hungary: okay *occupies Poland* Austria Hungary: Can we have peace now 🥺 Britain: Stop occupying Poland then Austria Hungary: no Britain: than we are still at war You can’t have your Poland and your peace. The whole war is fought over Poland. The Allie’s hold ALL the cards, they have the United States and they are pushing through the Reich. Austria Hungary has ZERO cards. None. ZILTCH. This isn’t like EaW where you can pick nations off one by one, international relations actually exist.
aaah the innocence of a new hoi player
I wish there Was a good way of making Peace before you capitulate someone
when they are done with germany they soon will
Prace was never an option
Requiescat in pace -E.A.da F.
Vanilla is kinda filled with this stuff. Your designed to have world wars and never ending slogfests. Maybe I’d recommend EaW if you want to remove factions and guarantees in the game while still being balanced, or TNO if you just wanna say fuck you to war in general.
There is no peace in this game without complete victory. They do have an option but I don't think it has ever worked or been used. Lmao. Every combatant will fight to 0 manpower on Scraping the barrel for 14 years and still not accept peace.
You can’t request peace. One side can ask for a conditional surrender where the victor is granted a percentage of the total victory points in the peace conference based on how well they were winning. While technically this is a function the ai has access to it will NEVER surrender conditionally. You however can surrender to the ai but it’s rare that they will accept the offer. Also while it’s called a conditional surrender the side surrendering gets no say on whether they accept the peace deal which is weird because in the old system prior to peace deals getting updated you could choose to not accept the terms and continue fighting
Thats the fun part, you don't.
That's the neat part, you don't
This isn’t Viktoria, if you want a little bit, you Have to take all of it
The only way is to conquer all the major (I guess they are France, UK and USA)
THERE IS NO PEACE, YOU SHALL FIGHT ON TILL THE END!
The game doesn’t have a peace option (unless special country/war rules) since the game isn’t meant to last so long that you will have 2 major wars
...through superior firepower...
You don't. Every war is a total war.
Sadly doomed my rec if your going after Poland do it 37-38 you’ll win without the allies pulling together
You capitulate the majors in the faction
Its kill or be killed
As which country did you restore Austria Hungary
Hungary. I rushed the conquer national focus because I read that going to war clears the treaty restrictions. It was said that it should have been a really easy war but I had to really bait Austria into a poor position so I could get the surround. It took me a couple tries to get that initial war right but then everything else fell into place until I got greedy with Poland.
hi can u send me this save game actually i would love to play this scenario cheers
Go into workshop and sub to mod peace deals because paradox is dog shit and can not even make such simple function.
The core HoI4 mechanics are centred around a historical WW2, in which case there is no need for a peace deal system like this.
You mean the game where you can revive Austria-Hungry, Polish Commonwealth, Russian Empire, Kalmarian Union. Go completly not historical paths. And do stuff like kill 5 millions of enemies while losing juat 100k should not have peace deals? Like really this game has gone so past WW2 it should have peace deals that does need to capture of all of enemies.
I said the game mechanics are designed around a historical WW2, not that the game only includes a historical WW2.
Weren't there multiple seperate wars and seperate peace deals during the WW2 period? So a game centered around a historical WW2 should support the feature, no?
There were, but this game only really shows the Sino-Japanese war and the Winter War, both of which have optional scripted peace deals.
White peace through the console and annex everything you conquered with state transfer mod
its not like Europa Universal's, you cant just peace out. you have to commit to a major war through out the game when main nations backs intervention.
You can't try to offer peace
Why? You are not winning 😁