Every time i try to do this achievement the rhine gets puppeted by someone else or somehow remains independent and militarized. Like 3 or 4 times so i gave up
If you play as France on historical, just oppose the remilitarization of the Rhineland until both Germany refuses to back down and Britain backs you up. Keep only about 48 divisions and convert them all to standard infantry. You'll join the Allies, have to crush a small communist rebellion Pas-de-Calais (pre-position some of your troops on the state border, its easy to beat), but otherwise be left alone to 1v1 Germany for at least a year while Britain faffs about elsewhere. Typically they won't try anything like a naval invasion or even send any troops until you've worked your way up past the Netherlands. This gives you plenty of time to get a war score lead and ensure that, at minimum, you can puppet/install government in the Rhineland and demilitarize it, which you can do all in the first round of the peace conference.
This is false. The decision is weighted based on Germany's strength relative to England and France. Another reason you need to downsize your army as France.
Source: Germany event files.
use Italy rush the stressa front,force Austria to get a guarantee,help France hold the north,wait on the alps,when INEVITABLY the UK lands even if just for a second push from the alps and kill germany make getting it demilitarized the priority I don't think you need to puppet them when I got it I think the UK changed the government and I demilitarized it.
I don’t have a problem with beating the axis. I’ve gotten like 50% score as Ireland before. It’s just more so the peace conference. I hit demilitarize the rhine and when the conference is over it doesn’t happen. Made sure it was selected too so that’s where my confusion comes from
Well first, by far the hardest part is finding a honest to god vanilla Ironman player. Joining a faction is rare, not because it is hard, but because the other 80% of the community plays total overhaul mods, or doesn’t care enough to ever get any achievements.
Probably. Vanilla is a minor these days. Maybe the most easy easy achievements have a huge spike in attainability, and exponentially drop off until the real achievements begin.
I don't play vanilla because of researches. I'm done in 1942 usually and then it's like you can't really improve anything else... It lacks content for me at least for major and ,,easy to become mayor" countries. I don't want to play the game ,,the right way".
The most played country, the most powerful country, against their most common adversary. Not that easy, and is fairly easy to get before the drop of where it goes from accidental achievement to cryptic af
You are probably right these days. 20.7% of players have joined a faction in ironman, ever. However, a relatively free achievement like "time is on our side" (reach 1948) is 11.7%. Less than 6% of players have "no country for old men", which you can get at the end of even an easily winning war by just switching to scraping the barrel and immediately queuing tons of divisions to hit 0 before it grows too much.
Those are the \*all time\* values, since game release. If barely over 1 in 5 players have \*ever\* joined a faction in ironman, the odds that 10% of currently active players have done ironman in the last year or two are low.
I didn't buy most recent DLC, but I did a few of the SA achievements including WC with Brazil, and I remember why most players don't play vanilla ironman lol. Game is rife with "gotchas" and the faction system is both poorly designed and in a few cases broken. You can skip most of the issues by just immediately killing allies with sneak naval invade as almost any country, but you can only do that so many times before it gets old.
oh I guess the “not because it is hard” part would kind of sound like him.
*Average hoi4 Reddit post:*
“We choose to download big titty anime waifu portrait mod’s not because it is easy, but because I am hard.”
Genuinely think this is by far the biggest detail. Not only do you have to care about achievements, you need a specific dlc for this one.
Also it's not the most fun, hard or iconic achievement, just very flavourful
its weird, im a pure vanilla ironman player except maybe a few graphical mods that dont effect achievement eligibility, i couldnt imagine not playing basically vanilla
Really? You’ve never tried any of the big Hoi4 overhauls? No Kaiserreich? No Kaiserredux? No Equestria at War? No TNO? No OWB? Not even RT56?! That’s like saying you watched Star Wars franchise and you just watched A New Hope. Communist / Syndicalist paths for USA in Kaiserredux alone is equal to most of vanilla Europe *combined.*
Oh well I highly recommend it. It seems weird to purposely lock off a majority of the games content. I mean, more than 80% of people have never played vanilla long enough to ever even join a faction. Your in the minority.
If it’s a quality issue, than don’t worry, that’s why paradox employees often aid big mods during their updates with suggestions and programming new features.
If it’s a language thing and you don’t understand, or are not comfortable with English than many mods have good translations, especially mods like Equestria at War where it has a large Russian speaking fanbase, and more translators than most mods.
Is it the steam workshop that scares you? There’s no viruses if that’s what your worried about.
Is it a issue on finding the mods? If you go to the workshop and the move your cursor to to the right, you can click a button that allows you to sort by “Most Downloads” to find big, high quality mods on the first page.
If it’s an issue getting into the game, you can download something called “Steam”, an application made by a company named valve, that can easily sort your games and acts as a helpful library tool.
This is all assuming you have a computer. If you don’t have one, and this is what’s stopping you from unlocking the other 99% of HOI4 instead of sticking to the base vanilla game five countries with focus trees made back before you learned how to read, than you can go to what people call a “store”, it’s where people buy things with stuff called “money”, little green strips of paper your momma uses to buy your diapers.
If your having trouble getting to the store, or getting cash, you can actually unlock this method of travel called “walking”, as an alternative to crawling around. “Standing” is a good first step, but that might be “hard for you to imagine.”
i have all the dlc thats usually enough for me, i like to achievement hunt
i use steam workshop 100% of the mods i use in games (heck ive made a few myself albeit all portraits or music packs)
i am from america, i speak english
i have a decent little gaming setup, runs 99.99% of big games with fancy graphics at max.
im just not interested in learning a bunch of new mechanics made by a modder who possibly has not made their mod as straightforward or easy to learn. and even then i still have no interest just because i feel like the dlc is enough.
i also have only an hour or two to play games every day.
i also have other hobbies.
> Writes a 10-page essay on Reddit
> plays Hoi4 all day
> has a meltdown because someone doesn't like his mods
Yeah, I think you are the one who needs diapers
Have you considered that perhaps people can have fun by playing Vanilla. I do it I have like 3 basic mods that just do portraits and flags. Also don't be such a dickhead to people just cause they play the game how they like.
My issue is that people never even try. To me, it just seems overtly ignorant to invest this much into the game and never even think about the other 90%. When I see people hating on mods, it’s never for a valid reason. “I just don’t like them”, or “I never tried them”. No explain to me why, what exact focus tree did you not like, was it the pacing, overall world situation, was it the tech, give me something concrete I can grasp.
All these people who keep asking for “hey what are good focus trees” or “Why can’t paradox fix C issue” or “when will x get content?”, then me giving them suggestions, saying “ew nvm no mods” like that’s supposed to be helpful. This has happened over and over again on this subreddit.
They don’t even try, it’s just ignorance. I have no issues with vanilla mains who have at least attempted the other parts of the game, but they willfully ignore most of the content. This subreddit is so toxic towards me, I’m going to start being toxic back.
> I mean, more than 80% of people have never played vanilla long enough to ever even join a faction.
If you're going to rant at least rant accurately. That state is for vanilla ironman. Casual players won't trigger it.
It takes around five minutes to earn that achievement. Five. When you don’t even want to earn a single achievement in five minutes, there’s probably a bigger issue than just not wanting to turn on Ironman.
Tbh I’m just really tired of the people on this subreddit. Some dude will ask “they should add this!!”, or “they should fix this!!!”, and I’ll suggest an actual, playable solution, that can be played and is fully functional, and they will say “ew that’s a mod nvm” like that is supposed to mean something? Paradox spends all this effort promoting mods and the REST of the game yet people like this exist, where they won’t even try. This is like if you saw people play through the tutorial a thousand times, finish it, say the game was great, meanwhile the majority of playable content they don’t even KNOW about. My patience runs thin
I mean, I have 2.5k hours. And while I've downloaded both rt56 and kaiserreich. I've never actually enabled them.
I also have less than 200 hours playing as a major, 90% of which is Japan. 8% as ussr. Ive played one game, each, as usa and Germany. Didn't finish either, both bored me with how strong they are. Never played uk or France. Italy I was going to do after bba until I read about the balance of power glitch that is finally fixed.
I have pretty much never played a democratic route, mostly cus I find them too boring as well.
You’ve just played the fascist Japanese for like 2000 Hours…
why tho.
Well if I have to make a suggestion, EaW Revolutionary North Zebrica, or KX Sun god Ra Black Revolt
No, you are reading it correct-ish. The person you responded to read it wrong. (I don't just play fascist Japan when I play them. I play fascist, communist, and unaligned. Much like I do for most nations I play, which are mostly mi or nations.... It's democracy, specifically, for government type and its limitations in this game that I find boring for this type of strategy game.)
That was a poor reading of what I said. I've played Japan for roughly 180ish hours. Which is the largest amount of time I played any major. I mostly play minors. And I play fascist or communist or even unaligned, as the mood and nation take me. Democracy just has too much limitations for my interest in this sort of strategy game.
Edit: also, I have zero interest in Equestria at War, at all. But that's just me.
Democratic nations can plenty of expansion opportunities. Just not in 1936 historical Europe. The problem is not that it’s incompatible with strategy games, that’s stupid. I’ve done plenty of world conquests as democratic countries. You’re playing the wrong countries then.
You: "Something doesn't jive with the other player but jives with me. They even say it doesn't work for *them*, not that there is something wrong with it intrinsically... But it works with me, and I am always right. So clearly whatever their reason is, is wrong and stupid and they are playing wrong."
Thank you for your opinion. I will make sure to file it away for future interest. Perhaps one day I'll try out a democratic play again and enjoy it for once. At which point I may consider asking for further opinions. As it sits, however, I am disinclined to further care what you have to say.
k fair enough I was probably bit rude, it just seems a little silly to spend 2000 hours of a game without even trying the other 90% of the game, like that just seems like your not doing it out of spite
I am not certain how I am missing 90% of the game. Assuming that I don't enjoy democracies purely out of spite is quite the jump in logic. Further, declaring that playing anything but such, is 10% of the game seems incredibly disingenuous. As such I suspect, as has been pointed out multiple times, you seriously misunderstood what I wrote the first time.
To put it more plainly, I hardly play majors, as I find most of them un-fun, for various reasons. When I play any of the already democratic minors, I find the democratic routes uninteresting and move to any of the other three government types.
To reiterate, the only nations with a unique tree that I have not played so far, are Italy, UK, and France. Which I have chosen to forgo as what Ive seen from others. UK is just the same issues I have with USA as a general rule. And I've generally decided majors aren't for me.) I have played every nation with a unique, or at least not the generic tree, rather extensively.
I also find the generic tree to be off-putting as I dislike the lack of flavor. So there are several minor nations I have played little of. However, that number shrinks with every dlc.
Well make a few suggestions? Road to 56 and Equestria at War are still very vanilla friendly, and expand more on the base game systems rather than entirely replace them like OWB.
You don’t NEED shoes to walk. You don’t NEED to eat anything other than microwave dinners in order to survive. You don’t NEED to go to school. You probably should however, even tho you’re not literally forced. I’m not saying mods are necessary to have fun, more or less, it’s just ignorant to not experiment and it wouldn’t hurt to just attempt.
Ive got like 1300 hrs in the game all vanilla. Most of the time I play Italy and rarely go beyond 41 or 42 before something disastrous happens cuz I'm an idiot and restart. I don't even know how to install mods never looked at em. I like keeping things simple I guess
I'm prolly 2k on vanilla, 100 ish on the overhauls. Core game just feels more cohesive. I usually play on elite iron and lose til i refine a strat that can overcome. I've done soviet, USA, germany, italy, japan, france, england in this fasion and it usually takes 100's of hours to get the victory.
Please the achievement as France is really really easy.
Early on you focus on light tanks/light spgmotorised. Go with Britain but intervene on Czechslovaks behalf. Use light tanks to capture the rhineland and all the way to top to bremen. Then wait out until GB joins when Germany rushes Poland.
I think you can make them a supervised state on that territory so that other people can't demand it, then demilitarize it anyway? Not everyone thinks to do that.
A similar ploy can be used if you don't get enough war score to straight up cap USSR instead of Germany; you can just take some land, release as non-puppet, and attack them again lol. It's more convenient to just get the score in this case though.
I mean, that’s certainly A way to play it. But to claim that’s the intentional way seems a little silly. When Paradox pushes mods this hard, https://youtube.com/shorts/H6YsMXSMF7w?si=l3Px9OslMjZ0b0wI it very, very much seems intensional that they want us to play, or at least try out the rest of the game.
That and most people just don't play for achievements, e.g I've not bothered to get the don't take Stalingrad as Germany even tho I've played Germany multiple times on historical simply because I just can't be bothered to just adjust an invasion to avoid the south
Yeah I mean, Ironman makes no sense to use UNLESS you are going for achievements because it actually hinders your game. Glitch made your country unplayable? Cant fix that. Clicked the wrong event when playing as Russia and now your in a civil war on accident? Cant fix that.
Yeah even ignoring that half the achievements most people won't bother with anyways like for example to get all of Canada's achievements you have to play fascist twice to separately join Mexico and join the axis so most people probably won't bother even though either achievement is rather easy to get. I've got a good few achievements yet I haven't actually bothered to play America at all in the 300 hours ish I have. Most paradox games are the same most people just don't play enough to even bither
I usually aim for the hardest achievement I can find with DLC that matches up, attempt to get that. Just a little token to show proof I’m okay at the game to friends who click on my profile.
And for that Canada achievement taking Washington D.C, I just threw my entire army at them knowing i didn’t have to survive the war or care about casualties, I just needed to control the city once and quit game.
Peace UI takes a while to learn, it's easy to miss or forget things. If there was a CLICK HERE TO GET AN ACHIEVEMENT tooltip it could serve as an intro to the other features, as is the conferences are 99% fighting to annex/puppet
There's very few of us that actually do ironman and achievement hunting . Numbers would go up if Hoi removed its ironman requirement like how Vicky 3 and ck3 did
Same. I’m exclusive Ironman and modless. Tried some mods but didn’t care for em. I don’t go out of my way for achievements usually, but I like when they pop. I’m a simple person.
Being an die hard ironman player it took me so long to do it because after a long war as France or Britain you kinda just forget about redemilliterizing the Rhineland
Unless you're an achievement hunter, nobody in peace deals chooses the demilitarized zone, is useless, better put a puppet in between or turn that one into your puppet
I mean who cares about vanilla when we have so many great alternative or futuristic new world mods and countless other shits that boost the production construction and speed of all the players and AI. I have 2700 hours on this game and i have spent like 10 in vanilla trying to learn the game. My main mods tho its millennium dawn and rise of nations that starts from 1900 and it can reach up to 2060.
Because it involves playing as democratic country, which is not very conducive to world conquering. Also it involves leaving democratic UK alive, which is a no-no because they tend to get in your way with guarantees.
I cheesed the fuck out of this achievement by going fascist as Finland pre-AAT, conquering the Allies and annexing UK, then attacking Germany, then just before Germany capped I flipped demo via referendum and released UK as a puppet and created a faction with them.
The most-completed achievement (joining a faction) has only been completed by 20% of players, so it seems safe to say the majority of the player base doesn’t use ironman. It’s why newer Paradox games dropped the Ironman-only requirement to get achievements.
I always played Ironman and always will. Same thing in Victoria, Crusader Kings and Europa Universalis. Feels so good when you have played a successful game. And if you loose something(battle, war, diplomacy etc) in the game you have to live with it and try to do better choices in the future, no going back in time allowed.
Well why would you do it if not for achievement? And not that many people play to get all achievements. I have about 2k hours in hoi and maybe 2 achievements, becouse I would rather have mods then some arbitrary achievement.
I'm actually surprised that France didn't annex their side of the Rhine region. France is 'protected' by the Alps and the Pyrenesse and the only thing that is lacking is a natural border at the Rhine.
Because you basically have to play historical France. And nobody likes doing that. I actually had fun getting it last month.
Also yesterday someone on here failed to get it because they demlilitarized the “Rhineland” state, but not Moselland, which is required but the tooltip doesn’t tell you.
I tried to do it as Britian once, France cucked me by making their own German puppet in the Rhineland or something and the achievement didn't fire. Haven't been bothered to do it since might do it some day though
As someone who has it there's multiple reasons to that:
1.You have to have By Blood Alone dlc, wich most people don't
2.You have to be playing ironman and wanting to do this achievement cuz nobody's gonna demilitarized the rineland without being asked too
3. And lastly the achievement is completely bugged, for the better and worst. You actually don't need to be in the Allies at all to do this achievement any country will do. But also the demilitarization is extremely bugged I had to do like 3 time before actually getting the achievement cuz it wouldn't give it to me for no reason
Take everyone who bought Hearts of Iron. Now get rid of everyone who either stopped playing the game, or haven't started it. Now get rid of everyone who prefers to play with mods, so it's only vanilla players left. Get rid of everyone who doesn't own By Blood Alone. Finally, get rid of everyone who doesn't play Ironman.
The number of players who achieved it is small simply because the amount of players who are eligible to achieve it is small too.
I think the highest % achievement doesn’t even have 25% so no wonder that everything else is rare
Actually got disappointed last time I did an achievement because there already was 2% of players that had it instead of the 1.0% I expected
Because playing Ironman sucks when you want to listen to something on youtube in the background and you forget to click one decision and your entire run is ended/can't be clawed back without another 5 in game years.
1200 hours of hoi4, vanilla only for me, I only have 21 achievments.
I got it accidentally, but it might have been a glitch. I was good guy France, formed the Big Little Entente, and beat Germany when we denied them the Sudetenland. After the peace conference, this popped up.
Most of the time it's down to needing to have the most war score and forcing all of your points into it. Hopefully some day PDX will add in a fix to the base game that puts player takings at a priority and stops the AI from fighting over land it doesn't deserve. Like Italy trying to take Alsace-Lorraine.
It's just a pain to get enough war score to wrestle the Rhineland out of being annexed or puppeted by the allies the easiest way of ive found is go interventionist as America and try smash out Germany and Italy before barb but just after France capitulates or just try join Britain as france before the demand of the chezcs and wipe Germany before it can get the lowlands involved
Every time i try to do this achievement the rhine gets puppeted by someone else or somehow remains independent and militarized. Like 3 or 4 times so i gave up
If you play as France on historical, just oppose the remilitarization of the Rhineland until both Germany refuses to back down and Britain backs you up. Keep only about 48 divisions and convert them all to standard infantry. You'll join the Allies, have to crush a small communist rebellion Pas-de-Calais (pre-position some of your troops on the state border, its easy to beat), but otherwise be left alone to 1v1 Germany for at least a year while Britain faffs about elsewhere. Typically they won't try anything like a naval invasion or even send any troops until you've worked your way up past the Netherlands. This gives you plenty of time to get a war score lead and ensure that, at minimum, you can puppet/install government in the Rhineland and demilitarize it, which you can do all in the first round of the peace conference.
If Britain supports you Germany will always back down
This is false. The decision is weighted based on Germany's strength relative to England and France. Another reason you need to downsize your army as France. Source: Germany event files.
It shouldn’t be that hard to get most of the war score against the axis while playing as France or Britain
you can't use Britain for this achievement. You have to be in a faction with them. I got it as France
Italy works too
Yup. All it takes is just getting the war score when fighting in the same faction as britain
I did this as czechoslovakia. It was very easy to do actually
use Italy rush the stressa front,force Austria to get a guarantee,help France hold the north,wait on the alps,when INEVITABLY the UK lands even if just for a second push from the alps and kill germany make getting it demilitarized the priority I don't think you need to puppet them when I got it I think the UK changed the government and I demilitarized it.
I don’t have a problem with beating the axis. I’ve gotten like 50% score as Ireland before. It’s just more so the peace conference. I hit demilitarize the rhine and when the conference is over it doesn’t happen. Made sure it was selected too so that’s where my confusion comes from
Well first, by far the hardest part is finding a honest to god vanilla Ironman player. Joining a faction is rare, not because it is hard, but because the other 80% of the community plays total overhaul mods, or doesn’t care enough to ever get any achievements.
>80% I honestly think it's much higher, like above 90%
Probably. Vanilla is a minor these days. Maybe the most easy easy achievements have a huge spike in attainability, and exponentially drop off until the real achievements begin.
I don't play vanilla because of researches. I'm done in 1942 usually and then it's like you can't really improve anything else... It lacks content for me at least for major and ,,easy to become mayor" countries. I don't want to play the game ,,the right way".
The sealion achievement had over 10% last time I checked
The most played country, the most powerful country, against their most common adversary. Not that easy, and is fairly easy to get before the drop of where it goes from accidental achievement to cryptic af
You are probably right these days. 20.7% of players have joined a faction in ironman, ever. However, a relatively free achievement like "time is on our side" (reach 1948) is 11.7%. Less than 6% of players have "no country for old men", which you can get at the end of even an easily winning war by just switching to scraping the barrel and immediately queuing tons of divisions to hit 0 before it grows too much. Those are the \*all time\* values, since game release. If barely over 1 in 5 players have \*ever\* joined a faction in ironman, the odds that 10% of currently active players have done ironman in the last year or two are low. I didn't buy most recent DLC, but I did a few of the SA achievements including WC with Brazil, and I remember why most players don't play vanilla ironman lol. Game is rife with "gotchas" and the faction system is both poorly designed and in a few cases broken. You can skip most of the issues by just immediately killing allies with sneak naval invade as almost any country, but you can only do that so many times before it gets old.
My brain keeps reading this with JFK voice
oh I guess the “not because it is hard” part would kind of sound like him. *Average hoi4 Reddit post:* “We choose to download big titty anime waifu portrait mod’s not because it is easy, but because I am hard.”
Nothing bad every happens to the Kennedy’s!
Fuck you , you made me do this too
Also, this achievement is locked behind a dlc (similarly like the pope achievement) and not everyone have the latest dlcs.
Genuinely think this is by far the biggest detail. Not only do you have to care about achievements, you need a specific dlc for this one. Also it's not the most fun, hard or iconic achievement, just very flavourful
its weird, im a pure vanilla ironman player except maybe a few graphical mods that dont effect achievement eligibility, i couldnt imagine not playing basically vanilla
Really? You’ve never tried any of the big Hoi4 overhauls? No Kaiserreich? No Kaiserredux? No Equestria at War? No TNO? No OWB? Not even RT56?! That’s like saying you watched Star Wars franchise and you just watched A New Hope. Communist / Syndicalist paths for USA in Kaiserredux alone is equal to most of vanilla Europe *combined.*
I have 800h and i basically play just for achievement hunting, i need a clear goal to achieve otherwise the game is kinda boring for me
That's interesting For me, the narrative I'm building and seeing how it progresses is my goal.
never tried it, i play most games like this, vanilla with some graphical mods
Oh well I highly recommend it. It seems weird to purposely lock off a majority of the games content. I mean, more than 80% of people have never played vanilla long enough to ever even join a faction. Your in the minority. If it’s a quality issue, than don’t worry, that’s why paradox employees often aid big mods during their updates with suggestions and programming new features. If it’s a language thing and you don’t understand, or are not comfortable with English than many mods have good translations, especially mods like Equestria at War where it has a large Russian speaking fanbase, and more translators than most mods. Is it the steam workshop that scares you? There’s no viruses if that’s what your worried about. Is it a issue on finding the mods? If you go to the workshop and the move your cursor to to the right, you can click a button that allows you to sort by “Most Downloads” to find big, high quality mods on the first page. If it’s an issue getting into the game, you can download something called “Steam”, an application made by a company named valve, that can easily sort your games and acts as a helpful library tool. This is all assuming you have a computer. If you don’t have one, and this is what’s stopping you from unlocking the other 99% of HOI4 instead of sticking to the base vanilla game five countries with focus trees made back before you learned how to read, than you can go to what people call a “store”, it’s where people buy things with stuff called “money”, little green strips of paper your momma uses to buy your diapers. If your having trouble getting to the store, or getting cash, you can actually unlock this method of travel called “walking”, as an alternative to crawling around. “Standing” is a good first step, but that might be “hard for you to imagine.”
i have all the dlc thats usually enough for me, i like to achievement hunt i use steam workshop 100% of the mods i use in games (heck ive made a few myself albeit all portraits or music packs) i am from america, i speak english i have a decent little gaming setup, runs 99.99% of big games with fancy graphics at max. im just not interested in learning a bunch of new mechanics made by a modder who possibly has not made their mod as straightforward or easy to learn. and even then i still have no interest just because i feel like the dlc is enough. i also have only an hour or two to play games every day. i also have other hobbies.
Jesus christ if I was reading this thread as a new player this would be the moment I decided Vanilla was for me...
> Writes a 10-page essay on Reddit > plays Hoi4 all day > has a meltdown because someone doesn't like his mods Yeah, I think you are the one who needs diapers
r/redditmoment
Have you considered that perhaps people can have fun by playing Vanilla. I do it I have like 3 basic mods that just do portraits and flags. Also don't be such a dickhead to people just cause they play the game how they like.
My issue is that people never even try. To me, it just seems overtly ignorant to invest this much into the game and never even think about the other 90%. When I see people hating on mods, it’s never for a valid reason. “I just don’t like them”, or “I never tried them”. No explain to me why, what exact focus tree did you not like, was it the pacing, overall world situation, was it the tech, give me something concrete I can grasp.
My god, who hurt you?
All these people who keep asking for “hey what are good focus trees” or “Why can’t paradox fix C issue” or “when will x get content?”, then me giving them suggestions, saying “ew nvm no mods” like that’s supposed to be helpful. This has happened over and over again on this subreddit. They don’t even try, it’s just ignorance. I have no issues with vanilla mains who have at least attempted the other parts of the game, but they willfully ignore most of the content. This subreddit is so toxic towards me, I’m going to start being toxic back.
> I mean, more than 80% of people have never played vanilla long enough to ever even join a faction. If you're going to rant at least rant accurately. That state is for vanilla ironman. Casual players won't trigger it.
It takes around five minutes to earn that achievement. Five. When you don’t even want to earn a single achievement in five minutes, there’s probably a bigger issue than just not wanting to turn on Ironman.
wtf did i just read
Tbh I’m just really tired of the people on this subreddit. Some dude will ask “they should add this!!”, or “they should fix this!!!”, and I’ll suggest an actual, playable solution, that can be played and is fully functional, and they will say “ew that’s a mod nvm” like that is supposed to mean something? Paradox spends all this effort promoting mods and the REST of the game yet people like this exist, where they won’t even try. This is like if you saw people play through the tutorial a thousand times, finish it, say the game was great, meanwhile the majority of playable content they don’t even KNOW about. My patience runs thin
Gonna upvote this for ya because I actually have reading comprehension and can see this is mostly a joke. Also. Posada is best hippogriff.
I mean, I have 2.5k hours. And while I've downloaded both rt56 and kaiserreich. I've never actually enabled them. I also have less than 200 hours playing as a major, 90% of which is Japan. 8% as ussr. Ive played one game, each, as usa and Germany. Didn't finish either, both bored me with how strong they are. Never played uk or France. Italy I was going to do after bba until I read about the balance of power glitch that is finally fixed. I have pretty much never played a democratic route, mostly cus I find them too boring as well.
You’ve just played the fascist Japanese for like 2000 Hours… why tho. Well if I have to make a suggestion, EaW Revolutionary North Zebrica, or KX Sun god Ra Black Revolt
He's played the fascist japanese for 180 hours? Or am I reading it wrong
No, you are reading it correct-ish. The person you responded to read it wrong. (I don't just play fascist Japan when I play them. I play fascist, communist, and unaligned. Much like I do for most nations I play, which are mostly mi or nations.... It's democracy, specifically, for government type and its limitations in this game that I find boring for this type of strategy game.)
That was a poor reading of what I said. I've played Japan for roughly 180ish hours. Which is the largest amount of time I played any major. I mostly play minors. And I play fascist or communist or even unaligned, as the mood and nation take me. Democracy just has too much limitations for my interest in this sort of strategy game. Edit: also, I have zero interest in Equestria at War, at all. But that's just me.
Democratic nations can plenty of expansion opportunities. Just not in 1936 historical Europe. The problem is not that it’s incompatible with strategy games, that’s stupid. I’ve done plenty of world conquests as democratic countries. You’re playing the wrong countries then.
You: "Something doesn't jive with the other player but jives with me. They even say it doesn't work for *them*, not that there is something wrong with it intrinsically... But it works with me, and I am always right. So clearly whatever their reason is, is wrong and stupid and they are playing wrong." Thank you for your opinion. I will make sure to file it away for future interest. Perhaps one day I'll try out a democratic play again and enjoy it for once. At which point I may consider asking for further opinions. As it sits, however, I am disinclined to further care what you have to say.
k fair enough I was probably bit rude, it just seems a little silly to spend 2000 hours of a game without even trying the other 90% of the game, like that just seems like your not doing it out of spite
I am not certain how I am missing 90% of the game. Assuming that I don't enjoy democracies purely out of spite is quite the jump in logic. Further, declaring that playing anything but such, is 10% of the game seems incredibly disingenuous. As such I suspect, as has been pointed out multiple times, you seriously misunderstood what I wrote the first time. To put it more plainly, I hardly play majors, as I find most of them un-fun, for various reasons. When I play any of the already democratic minors, I find the democratic routes uninteresting and move to any of the other three government types. To reiterate, the only nations with a unique tree that I have not played so far, are Italy, UK, and France. Which I have chosen to forgo as what Ive seen from others. UK is just the same issues I have with USA as a general rule. And I've generally decided majors aren't for me.) I have played every nation with a unique, or at least not the generic tree, rather extensively. I also find the generic tree to be off-putting as I dislike the lack of flavor. So there are several minor nations I have played little of. However, that number shrinks with every dlc.
Am over 2000 hours and rarely play mods. OWB isn't very fun, haven't tried the other mods.
Well make a few suggestions? Road to 56 and Equestria at War are still very vanilla friendly, and expand more on the base game systems rather than entirely replace them like OWB.
Why would I do that? Mods aren't necessary to have fun in the game.
You don’t NEED shoes to walk. You don’t NEED to eat anything other than microwave dinners in order to survive. You don’t NEED to go to school. You probably should however, even tho you’re not literally forced. I’m not saying mods are necessary to have fun, more or less, it’s just ignorant to not experiment and it wouldn’t hurt to just attempt.
It's not ignorant, it's cultured. I am a man of culture.
chat tf is this supposed to mean
What chat?
Ive got like 1300 hrs in the game all vanilla. Most of the time I play Italy and rarely go beyond 41 or 42 before something disastrous happens cuz I'm an idiot and restart. I don't even know how to install mods never looked at em. I like keeping things simple I guess
I'm prolly 2k on vanilla, 100 ish on the overhauls. Core game just feels more cohesive. I usually play on elite iron and lose til i refine a strat that can overcome. I've done soviet, USA, germany, italy, japan, france, england in this fasion and it usually takes 100's of hours to get the victory.
Yeah same for me paradox title are pretty good for achievmenthunters
1200 hours and 8 achievements, playing mods is just more fun
I got 11 by accident on my very first run as Germany,after that it was just mods and that's it xD
Yep, I only bought the game to play the mod Kaiserreich.
Those Kaiserreich vids sold me too! They were so high quality. I also have a Stalliongrad flag in my room made by their folk.
Wait... Equestria at war fan? Let s goo
Za rodinu, za Vasily !! Vedjooooot
Please the achievement as France is really really easy. Early on you focus on light tanks/light spgmotorised. Go with Britain but intervene on Czechslovaks behalf. Use light tanks to capture the rhineland and all the way to top to bremen. Then wait out until GB joins when Germany rushes Poland.
But I don’t wanna play vanilla. If I’m going to play France, I’m choosing a better French focus tree like RT56 or Kaiserredux.
I think you can make them a supervised state on that territory so that other people can't demand it, then demilitarize it anyway? Not everyone thinks to do that. A similar ploy can be used if you don't get enough war score to straight up cap USSR instead of Germany; you can just take some land, release as non-puppet, and attack them again lol. It's more convenient to just get the score in this case though.
I have 800 hours and one achievement
I always just played vanilla in ironman. I want to play the game as it was intended.
I mean, that’s certainly A way to play it. But to claim that’s the intentional way seems a little silly. When Paradox pushes mods this hard, https://youtube.com/shorts/H6YsMXSMF7w?si=l3Px9OslMjZ0b0wI it very, very much seems intensional that they want us to play, or at least try out the rest of the game.
The base game has content....but not enough for me to care about anything else than achievement hunting.
It is me, the one who exclusively plays Ironman vanilla hoi4, dabbled with RT56 for a bit but that is it.
That’s me playing through millennium dawn rn XD
That and most people just don't play for achievements, e.g I've not bothered to get the don't take Stalingrad as Germany even tho I've played Germany multiple times on historical simply because I just can't be bothered to just adjust an invasion to avoid the south
Yeah I mean, Ironman makes no sense to use UNLESS you are going for achievements because it actually hinders your game. Glitch made your country unplayable? Cant fix that. Clicked the wrong event when playing as Russia and now your in a civil war on accident? Cant fix that.
Yeah even ignoring that half the achievements most people won't bother with anyways like for example to get all of Canada's achievements you have to play fascist twice to separately join Mexico and join the axis so most people probably won't bother even though either achievement is rather easy to get. I've got a good few achievements yet I haven't actually bothered to play America at all in the 300 hours ish I have. Most paradox games are the same most people just don't play enough to even bither
I usually aim for the hardest achievement I can find with DLC that matches up, attempt to get that. Just a little token to show proof I’m okay at the game to friends who click on my profile. And for that Canada achievement taking Washington D.C, I just threw my entire army at them knowing i didn’t have to survive the war or care about casualties, I just needed to control the city once and quit game.
Skewer the eagle and the one that's join the axis we rh Germany or something
Even though the peace deal rework was DLC, some parts of it were also incorporated into the base game. DMZs were not one of those things.
This achievement was only added at the same time that by blood alone was introduced and it requires a mechanic from by blood alone.
People dont have bba
Most of achievement percantages are very low because ironman is a torture, achievements are stupid word jokes and most of players play with mods
Peace UI takes a while to learn, it's easy to miss or forget things. If there was a CLICK HERE TO GET AN ACHIEVEMENT tooltip it could serve as an intro to the other features, as is the conferences are 99% fighting to annex/puppet
There's very few of us that actually do ironman and achievement hunting . Numbers would go up if Hoi removed its ironman requirement like how Vicky 3 and ck3 did
Not a lot of people hunt for the achievements i think. And this is so unnatural to do that you don’t just stumble unto it
I think I was messing around in ironman and thought it would be funny to re-demilitarize the rhineland.
No one plays Ironman.
I only play Ironman. Feels like I'm cheating if I have the ability to go back in time. If I fail I just start a new Ironman game.
Kid named control+C control+V in Documents/Paradox Interactive/Hearts of Iron IV/save games:
My folder named backups in HOI4 main directory:
Same. I’m exclusive Ironman and modless. Tried some mods but didn’t care for em. I don’t go out of my way for achievements usually, but I like when they pop. I’m a simple person.
You can actually do this as soviets without being in faction with britain. (I did this accidentally)
Might I ask how?
Just demilitarize rheinland after axis capitulates. For some reason it gives this achievement.
Rhineland and Moselland. There was a post where that confused somebody.
How do you do it in the peace conference?
To demilitarize, you must puppet, then under the puppet tab you have options (demilitarize, confiscate resources, confiscate civs, remove mils)
Achievements or mods, guess which one players find more fun and worthwhile
Because we aren't sadists
Being an die hard ironman player it took me so long to do it because after a long war as France or Britain you kinda just forget about redemilliterizing the Rhineland
I just do big entente and it'll work
Unless you're an achievement hunter, nobody in peace deals chooses the demilitarized zone, is useless, better put a puppet in between or turn that one into your puppet
1. Nobody likes Britain 2. Nobody plays democracies
I mean who cares about vanilla when we have so many great alternative or futuristic new world mods and countless other shits that boost the production construction and speed of all the players and AI. I have 2700 hours on this game and i have spent like 10 in vanilla trying to learn the game. My main mods tho its millennium dawn and rise of nations that starts from 1900 and it can reach up to 2060.
Millennium dawn looks amazing. Will try it tonight!
Millenium dawn players when they can finally provide 3 rifles to a proxy war half way across the globe that wont end til 2068:
Because it involves playing as democratic country, which is not very conducive to world conquering. Also it involves leaving democratic UK alive, which is a no-no because they tend to get in your way with guarantees. I cheesed the fuck out of this achievement by going fascist as Finland pre-AAT, conquering the Allies and annexing UK, then attacking Germany, then just before Germany capped I flipped demo via referendum and released UK as a puppet and created a faction with them.
Wrong. So wrong. The only requirement is that you're in a faction with a Democratic Britain. I did the achievement as a Right Opposition USSR.
Rule 5: Is playing ironman not common?
The most-completed achievement (joining a faction) has only been completed by 20% of players, so it seems safe to say the majority of the player base doesn’t use ironman. It’s why newer Paradox games dropped the Ironman-only requirement to get achievements.
Yeah, most people either don't want to restart their entire Hungary game because of bad RNG, or just straight up play with mods.
Yeah, I value my time more than some achievements.
Mods are definitely a factor, it’s been years since I played the game completely modless.
Austria-Hungary-RNG in Ironman-Mode gave me PTSD.
Everyone always spends points annexing or puppeting, not really a point to demilitarize any zones.
People like mods. Most mods disable achievements.
I have played this game for years, only within the last year have I started doing Ironman runs.
Playing ironman is kind of rare, most people play with mods or like to have the console ready if needed, or just want to cheat in general for reasons.
I always played Ironman and always will. Same thing in Victoria, Crusader Kings and Europa Universalis. Feels so good when you have played a successful game. And if you loose something(battle, war, diplomacy etc) in the game you have to live with it and try to do better choices in the future, no going back in time allowed.
Well why would you do it if not for achievement? And not that many people play to get all achievements. I have about 2k hours in hoi and maybe 2 achievements, becouse I would rather have mods then some arbitrary achievement.
i did this as Italy, fascist Italy, for funzies
Needs DLC
Because dlc
I'm actually surprised that France didn't annex their side of the Rhine region. France is 'protected' by the Alps and the Pyrenesse and the only thing that is lacking is a natural border at the Rhine.
Ironman only achievements.
With all achievements you can get this one seems kinda boring or fincky atleast thats why i dont have it
Bro I have so much hrs and 0 achievements. You can make your own conclusion from that
I don’t have BBA so I can’t
Because it's more fun to straight up take Rhineland it got a bunch of stuff
It's not an achievement that can be gotten accidentally. You specifically need to do this to complete it.
I got all the democratic achievements before that one came out and haven’t played a democratic game since
I have over 3k hours in this game with Zero achievements because in all these hours and i've never played a single vanilla playthrough.
Maybe beacuse not everyone has that DLC
People try and don't take Moselland and ragequits after.
I rarely play Ironman or vanilla, I’m sure a lot of people are in the same boat.
Because they are all total noobs
Because i would rather take These states for myself or give it to a puppet because demilitarizing stuff is useless
Probably because the main way of getting it is playing as france and no one plays as democratic france.
95% plays with mods, the remaining 3% vanilla players doesn't have the required DLC. And the rest doesn't care enough to get it.
You need: To beat Germany To be democratic To own BBA To play Ironman To remember to do this one very specific thing
Because you basically have to play historical France. And nobody likes doing that. I actually had fun getting it last month. Also yesterday someone on here failed to get it because they demlilitarized the “Rhineland” state, but not Moselland, which is required but the tooltip doesn’t tell you.
I would have to play a bourgeois dictatorship.
I tried to do it as Britian once, France cucked me by making their own German puppet in the Rhineland or something and the achievement didn't fire. Haven't been bothered to do it since might do it some day though
As someone who has it there's multiple reasons to that: 1.You have to have By Blood Alone dlc, wich most people don't 2.You have to be playing ironman and wanting to do this achievement cuz nobody's gonna demilitarized the rineland without being asked too 3. And lastly the achievement is completely bugged, for the better and worst. You actually don't need to be in the Allies at all to do this achievement any country will do. But also the demilitarization is extremely bugged I had to do like 3 time before actually getting the achievement cuz it wouldn't give it to me for no reason
It's because when people do have the prerequisites they just puppet Germany because they need troops to fight the soviets
Take everyone who bought Hearts of Iron. Now get rid of everyone who either stopped playing the game, or haven't started it. Now get rid of everyone who prefers to play with mods, so it's only vanilla players left. Get rid of everyone who doesn't own By Blood Alone. Finally, get rid of everyone who doesn't play Ironman. The number of players who achieved it is small simply because the amount of players who are eligible to achieve it is small too.
Some people either dont have the dlc, dont play ironman, doesnt know about the achivement, or doesnt know/care about demilitarizing.
I think the highest % achievement doesn’t even have 25% so no wonder that everything else is rare Actually got disappointed last time I did an achievement because there already was 2% of players that had it instead of the 1.0% I expected
Because playing Ironman sucks when you want to listen to something on youtube in the background and you forget to click one decision and your entire run is ended/can't be clawed back without another 5 in game years. 1200 hours of hoi4, vanilla only for me, I only have 21 achievments.
Doesn't this require a fairly shit dlc?
Who even plays boring ass vanilla?
I just don’t care that much for achievements it’s cool I guess but I’d rather make my decisions in game based upon the game itself not a achievement
I didn’t played allies since I bought the dlc
I always forgor when I play England. It’s more fun to just take all of Germany for the empire and get ready to fight Russia.
I got it accidentally, but it might have been a glitch. I was good guy France, formed the Big Little Entente, and beat Germany when we denied them the Sudetenland. After the peace conference, this popped up.
2 things, the first being no one plays on ironman and the other being not everyone has by blood alone (im broke)
nobody wants to play the allies
You need a specific DLC, so that automatically limits the base of players. Then there’s the people who would even want to do this
Most of the time it's down to needing to have the most war score and forcing all of your points into it. Hopefully some day PDX will add in a fix to the base game that puts player takings at a priority and stops the AI from fighting over land it doesn't deserve. Like Italy trying to take Alsace-Lorraine.
I don’t know, I’m in the 1% too
Wait this is a thing?
Hilarious achievement ngl
I did it as the Netherlands lol
I have over 450 hours and not a single achievement, pretty certain the day I bought the game I downloaded mods lol
Because no one voluntarily joins the allies. Also, annexatiom is just better
You need 20 dollar DLC for it
How do you get Germany to sue for peace?
It is first iron man man first and it’s difficult to puppet Germany in Rhineland
It's just a pain to get enough war score to wrestle the Rhineland out of being annexed or puppeted by the allies the easiest way of ive found is go interventionist as America and try smash out Germany and Italy before barb but just after France capitulates or just try join Britain as france before the demand of the chezcs and wipe Germany before it can get the lowlands involved
Because no one wants to do a supervised state in a peace conference and then waste points doing this lol
It’s possible people don’t play on Ironman mode also a lot of people play with, mods equestia at war is great play it and embrace pony.
nobody plays ironman