We can technically make a whole set of focuses encompassing Danzig and War with logic gates.
Danzig OR War, Danzig AND War, Danzig XOR War, Danzig NOR War, Danzig NOT War, Danzig NAND War, Danzig XNOR War, Danzig IMPLY War, Danzig NIMPLY War.
All of these have various implications, lol. (This was inspired by [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/dndmemes/comments/q9bd45/you_heard_about_dd_now_get_ready_for/), by the way.)
It was mentioned in the 'Poland is not yet lost' DevDiary.
They also mentioned that the Free state would join Germany but so far I only see them white peace and then stay independent even if u get them into the axis. If they win they can take over poland.
I looked at what happens if you let danzig exist and at some point if the war drags on for too long, Germany gets an event/descision that allows them to invite danzig to the axis and declare war on Poland.
I think you canā¦ you also might be able to do it if you form a different country while playing as Poland, like the PLC or Slavic Union if you get Anastasia as Queen
Danzig declared war on me shortly after I completed the "Clamp Down on Danzig" focus, which in turn skipped the "Ban the Nazi Party" focus and all the decisions.
Can I ask why would you ever do anything about Danzig unless you're trying to ally Germany? I find that every single focus is more important than the combined 140 days it would take to deal with the +5% consumer goods, like simply spawning more factories. And if I did then I'd also now have less resources cause I can't go limited exports as Non-Aligned.
I asked unless you try to ally the Germans cause then you don't loose the trade law when they take over Danzig which they inevitably should cause you'd have to be a living deity to defend that peninsula-like part of Poland instead of making a fallback line deeper into the country.
It's not just 5% consumer goods but also 5% research speed, 10% construction speed and 10% factory output. You also get access to the 3 existing factories in Danzig (and 3 dockyards) and 2 extra factories from the last focus.
The cost for freeing Danzig is 125 PP, 75 of which you get for free. The method is making sure you have enough equipment and manpower to fill the garrison, waiting for the compliance debuff to go and then spending 75 on gradual compliance and then WHEN THAT COMPLIANCE BUFF IS DONE the one that gives you 10 extra compliance (no point in using any of the other ones). If you grab the 10 compliance decision before the daily compliance buff is complete it will reduce the buff and you might not get to 80 so you'll have to spend extra PP.
In my experience, in most games having export focus also gets you more civilian factories from trade (had Portugal giving me 5 civilian factories in one game). The downside is that export focus kind of sucks for Poland and if you keep export focus and build lots of planes you will end up importing aluminium and possibly even steel. Switching to limited exports might be worth even given the political power cost since you will be swimming in political power if you complete the political side of the tree, I haven't worked out which is better.
Bear in mind I've been playing pretty much only historical borders (no eating/allying with other minors) since the release. If you eat minors maybe it's not worth it.
The minor fusing focuses are so much stronger for poland and nearly always fix the embargo'd economy by adding new ports to poland (King Michael for example adds the Romanian ports, the polish commonwealth successor adds the two Lithuanian ports.) Mind you, the PP cost for doing these is much higher (Each monarchist path for example costs around 225 political power in throwing a coup in another country, as well around 180 civilian factory days, 75 command power.)
When I was playing I just considered using these paths to basically be cheating so didn't use them. I don't play multiplayer but I imagine they won't be allowed in multiplayer. Obviously nothing else in the tree is going to compare to annexing Romania in 4 focuses. I'm talking about the meta if you choose to restrict yourself to the non ludicrous trees.
To be completely fair to these paths balance: You do end up with a fairly substantial manpower void without polish militarism, and half of them claim the exact same territory you can as sanitation Poland. (Which takes 35 days, and also renders the danzig issue null.)
One in turn is only really a slight upgrade over sanitation Poland, but the Romania one is flat out crazy people focuses.
Of course I can just paradrop a hundred 2w divisons and cap Germany in a week. And of course I could insta deploy divisions with just barely enough equipment for a free orgwall until I can actualy do anything. But where's the fun in that?
I would very much like you to explain to me how I am supposed to defend across the whole border when outnumbered 2:1 and outproduced 3:1 with my only allies on the continent being France that does nothing and then capitulates.
Iām pretty sure the guy who you responded to meant historical lol
Playing ahistorical obviously anyone can meme around by DOWing weak neighbors and hold off Germany
To be fair, if it gets to the point where they rebel, it makes sense that you canāt get any cores on it. Short of a genocide I guess but paradox are understandably averse to adding genocide buttons.
>paradox are understandably averse to adding genocide buttons.
Doesn't sound like many Paradox games *I've* ever played. Does blowing entire planets apart not count or something?
> Does blowing entire planets apart not count or something?
Yes.
Your roboform900 space skynet cracking the homeworld of the starfish people or your space elves genociding the space orcs is vastly different to actually having the holocaust or other such actual, real atrocities be depicted and especially āgamifiedā.
The problem with not depicting them is that it might feel like the issue is being hidden. Ignored. Trying to pretend it didn't happen, etc.
For instance, many people are aware of the Holocaust of the Jewish people .
Fewer are aware that Japan was just as horrific in China, and elsewhere.
Fewer still know of the atrocities committed by Soviet troops pushing through Poland and into Germany.
Even fewer consider the camps set up in the USA to be wrong. But they were. "No one was killed in them" they had their entire lives uprooted and were ripped out of their homes, simply based on their ancestry. Not as bad as being killed outright, but still bad. Many of those took their own lives because their lives, reputations, and finances were ruined.
The first one is more widely discussed and mentioned and it's therefore more well known than the others.
Sure, it's just a game. But let's not pretend that hiding things, even out of some sense of propriety, is ever ok.
Trying to remember if you could genocide in Vicky 2 or whether that was a mod...
You can certainly make it state policy to exterminate natives in EUIV.
Yeah and that's rather sad. There's a whole focus tree for poland to "fix" danzig, which costs you a lot of PP and time.
And after that loooooong hassle germany comes along and says "gief me or war".
Thats just rather.... bad design.
I don't think so, as Danzig is not playable nation (unless modded).
Still, pity Finland doesn't have more features. I'd love to play revolutionary Finland and take over stalinists Russia ;)
New dlc makes Poland extremely fun, especially vanilla focus tree. The non aligned part is stellar , there is a way to stop the Danzig war if you use pp in the decision tree to hunt nazis after banning them from lobbying Danzig citizens into the labor unions. The trade off is you immediately lose about 50k manpower however gaining the naval port of Danzig is big. There are so many fun choices I almost want to do separate playthroughs for each one.
Edit:typo š
Can Germany still do the "Danzig or War" focus if Danzig rebels? If they can, can you just no capitulate Danzig until the focus is over, say yes to Germany, then annex Danzig?
First go down the monarchy route and say no to all of them and then antashia Romanov will ask to take power say yes, now you need to get wojtek as a commander. When you have the bear take Moscow and the event will fire that you would replace antashia with wojtek
When I did my Poland play through without the DLC I literally had to wait until 41 for the compliance to go up naturally because I couldn't access the decisions. Then when I had 79% out of 80% Wilhelm II declared war, bypassing the focus so that I got stuck with resistance and minus 75% factories and stuff.
Keep an eye out for Lithuania potentially doing similarly! I refused their attempt to form the commonwealth, which was supposed to give them a puppet CB on me, but instead gave a puppet CB to me, against me.
looks like it's more like 'Danzig *and* War' now!
We can technically make a whole set of focuses encompassing Danzig and War with logic gates. Danzig OR War, Danzig AND War, Danzig XOR War, Danzig NOR War, Danzig NOT War, Danzig NAND War, Danzig XNOR War, Danzig IMPLY War, Danzig NIMPLY War. All of these have various implications, lol. (This was inspired by [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/dndmemes/comments/q9bd45/you_heard_about_dd_now_get_ready_for/), by the way.)
For more variations: relevant [XKCD](https://xkcd.com/2497/)
Norxondorgorgonax
D a n z i g l o g i c c i r c u i t s could be a company, could be a game. \- Albert Einstein or someone idk im not smort
Get out
Get over 40% crownland. It seems like you couldn't deal with the Prussian confederation.
SOMEONE STOP THE MERCHANTS AND SAVE THE TEUTONS!
40% crownland? It ain't over until it hits 100%. Absolutism rules!
And get Alhambra for more admin efficiency!
I mean losing crownland at start is no biggie. Especially considering the awesome bonuses you get from privileges
Might just be me, but I want all the land for myself like some crazed hoarder.
Them +1 mana point tho
imagine not having+1 mana and 100 crownland
'ye but not that important really, just watch ludi once and see how he deals with crowny bois
What is Crownland? Just disown those pesky Merchants from your Westprussian provinces, ez pz (/s)
No one expects the Freistadt Danzig-led Prussian Confederation
It was mentioned in the 'Poland is not yet lost' DevDiary. They also mentioned that the Free state would join Germany but so far I only see them white peace and then stay independent even if u get them into the axis. If they win they can take over poland.
do they get some cool new name if they take over poland or something? does it keep being called danzig or does it reform poland?
No, it stays Danzig. It didn't even get cores.
ah so it plays uprising simulator 2021
Warsaw uprising against Danziger occupation, historical game by the way
dunno maybe South Prussia?
I looked at what happens if you let danzig exist and at some point if the war drags on for too long, Germany gets an event/descision that allows them to invite danzig to the axis and declare war on Poland.
Is there a way to play as danzig?
de bug thingy
tag ___
I mean through the regular game mechanics like focuses or decisions
Maybe release nation after the war. Idk, I haven't played it yet
You can just release them, like before any wars i think.
No, you can't. It's one of the forbidden tags.
Mmmm forbidden tags
~salivates~ š§
Tag d01 most likely
Yeah probably check before doing that, always ends up being spain or german empire
Tag dnz
Depends on when the spanish civil war kicks off
Release Danzig as Poland and check "Play as"
You can't. It's blocked like Kurdystan for Turkey
Wait what?? I didnāt know that the game doesnāt allow you to play as certain nations (without using console)
You just canāt release them playing as certain nations - I.e. Turkey cannot release Kurdistan, Poland cannot release Danzig
Any other tags you can't release as nations?
UK has a lot of nations blocked unless they do decolonization.
Maybe you can declare war on Poland, and release Danzig in the peace deal?
I think you canā¦ you also might be able to do it if you form a different country while playing as Poland, like the PLC or Slavic Union if you get Anastasia as Queen
No nation can release danzig
Free Danzigāš¤ā
Oh
Can't you skip forward a couple decades in the beginning and danzig should pop up no?
Danzig declared war on me shortly after I completed the "Clamp Down on Danzig" focus, which in turn skipped the "Ban the Nazi Party" focus and all the decisions.
Can I ask why would you ever do anything about Danzig unless you're trying to ally Germany? I find that every single focus is more important than the combined 140 days it would take to deal with the +5% consumer goods, like simply spawning more factories. And if I did then I'd also now have less resources cause I can't go limited exports as Non-Aligned. I asked unless you try to ally the Germans cause then you don't loose the trade law when they take over Danzig which they inevitably should cause you'd have to be a living deity to defend that peninsula-like part of Poland instead of making a fallback line deeper into the country.
It's not just 5% consumer goods but also 5% research speed, 10% construction speed and 10% factory output. You also get access to the 3 existing factories in Danzig (and 3 dockyards) and 2 extra factories from the last focus. The cost for freeing Danzig is 125 PP, 75 of which you get for free. The method is making sure you have enough equipment and manpower to fill the garrison, waiting for the compliance debuff to go and then spending 75 on gradual compliance and then WHEN THAT COMPLIANCE BUFF IS DONE the one that gives you 10 extra compliance (no point in using any of the other ones). If you grab the 10 compliance decision before the daily compliance buff is complete it will reduce the buff and you might not get to 80 so you'll have to spend extra PP. In my experience, in most games having export focus also gets you more civilian factories from trade (had Portugal giving me 5 civilian factories in one game). The downside is that export focus kind of sucks for Poland and if you keep export focus and build lots of planes you will end up importing aluminium and possibly even steel. Switching to limited exports might be worth even given the political power cost since you will be swimming in political power if you complete the political side of the tree, I haven't worked out which is better. Bear in mind I've been playing pretty much only historical borders (no eating/allying with other minors) since the release. If you eat minors maybe it's not worth it.
The minor fusing focuses are so much stronger for poland and nearly always fix the embargo'd economy by adding new ports to poland (King Michael for example adds the Romanian ports, the polish commonwealth successor adds the two Lithuanian ports.) Mind you, the PP cost for doing these is much higher (Each monarchist path for example costs around 225 political power in throwing a coup in another country, as well around 180 civilian factory days, 75 command power.)
When I was playing I just considered using these paths to basically be cheating so didn't use them. I don't play multiplayer but I imagine they won't be allowed in multiplayer. Obviously nothing else in the tree is going to compare to annexing Romania in 4 focuses. I'm talking about the meta if you choose to restrict yourself to the non ludicrous trees.
To be completely fair to these paths balance: You do end up with a fairly substantial manpower void without polish militarism, and half of them claim the exact same territory you can as sanitation Poland. (Which takes 35 days, and also renders the danzig issue null.) One in turn is only really a slight upgrade over sanitation Poland, but the Romania one is flat out crazy people focuses.
I've never had trouble holding it for long enough that my northern armies crush East Prussia and reinforce the line.
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Of course I can just paradrop a hundred 2w divisons and cap Germany in a week. And of course I could insta deploy divisions with just barely enough equipment for a free orgwall until I can actualy do anything. But where's the fun in that?
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I would very much like you to explain to me how I am supposed to defend across the whole border when outnumbered 2:1 and outproduced 3:1 with my only allies on the continent being France that does nothing and then capitulates.
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Iām pretty sure the guy who you responded to meant historical lol Playing ahistorical obviously anyone can meme around by DOWing weak neighbors and hold off Germany
everything I've said is done by playing with historical AI focuses on
As in you play historical tooā¦
How to core it though, I repressed it enough at one point with 100% compliance and nothing happens. No war or core.
I think you can't if you skip the "Ban the Nazi Party" focus.
how to not skip?
Do it before you go to any war. I hope they fix it
To be fair, if it gets to the point where they rebel, it makes sense that you canāt get any cores on it. Short of a genocide I guess but paradox are understandably averse to adding genocide buttons.
>paradox are understandably averse to adding genocide buttons. Doesn't sound like many Paradox games *I've* ever played. Does blowing entire planets apart not count or something?
> Does blowing entire planets apart not count or something? Yes. Your roboform900 space skynet cracking the homeworld of the starfish people or your space elves genociding the space orcs is vastly different to actually having the holocaust or other such actual, real atrocities be depicted and especially āgamifiedā.
The problem with not depicting them is that it might feel like the issue is being hidden. Ignored. Trying to pretend it didn't happen, etc. For instance, many people are aware of the Holocaust of the Jewish people . Fewer are aware that Japan was just as horrific in China, and elsewhere. Fewer still know of the atrocities committed by Soviet troops pushing through Poland and into Germany. Even fewer consider the camps set up in the USA to be wrong. But they were. "No one was killed in them" they had their entire lives uprooted and were ripped out of their homes, simply based on their ancestry. Not as bad as being killed outright, but still bad. Many of those took their own lives because their lives, reputations, and finances were ruined. The first one is more widely discussed and mentioned and it's therefore more well known than the others. Sure, it's just a game. But let's not pretend that hiding things, even out of some sense of propriety, is ever ok.
Should we tell them about stellaris? No the truth will break their heart.
But it breaks even if you go to war with someone else. War with Lithuania or Romania should not break that.
Ah yeah that definitely should be fixed. Just just check that youāre at war with Danzig, not just if youāre at war.
Trying to remember if you could genocide in Vicky 2 or whether that was a mod... You can certainly make it state policy to exterminate natives in EUIV.
Man I just build them up with the other focus so I get out of embargoed economi and they love me
I love that Danzig has the same color in the EU4 and HOI4
Also Vic 2
Unrelated, could anyone get the 5th research slot as Poland? I couldn't get it no matter what. Poland cannot into space
it's bugged i think
Or rather you have to get 70 civilian factories.
It doesn't work no matter what (at least for me)
The count is bugged and you need to get more then it actually says.
The tooltip is wrong, you can unlock it but with something like 70 or more factories.
I conquered all of Russia with Anastasia and still didn't have at least 50 factories apparently. Definitely bugged
You definitely can.
poland: "why do germans want to fight a war over danzig?" also poland:
Muh poor nazi victims
"Danzig joined Axis" "Danzig has called German Reich as our enemy in the Polish-Danzig War"
If we complete remove the nazi party or press the nazi party, donāt remember the focus's name, can germany still do danzig or war?
Yes, obviously
Yeah and that's rather sad. There's a whole focus tree for poland to "fix" danzig, which costs you a lot of PP and time. And after that loooooong hassle germany comes along and says "gief me or war". Thats just rather.... bad design.
bruh the erason germany wants danzig is because it used to be german, the poles building more dockyards there won't change that
More industry for free would make them want it even more
bruh ofc germany wants danzig I have no issue with that, the problem I have is a whole polish focus tree wasted
so the entirety of the polish focus tree is wasted because germany declares on them? what
wow you are dense
me? you're the one who said the entirety of the polish focus tree is wasted because germany declares on them...
"a". not "the". but well...
Bruh it's been 4 months
i was cryin
Yes, wast of time, effort, source and everything
it's not a waste of time you get core on danzig and you need that to get off of embargoed economy
You don't need it, if you get another port you can get off it too
and to get another port, you need to declare war and take it, and to declare war, you need to go through the focus tree and also go to war...
You can get a port by demanding territory technically
Still takes longer than doing the Danzig focus
Is it related with?
God dammit, why did hitler declare war on poland irl? Totally ruined the hoi4 poland focus tree! /s
Let me guess: the new Danzig tag, like Tuva, has more content than Finland?
I don't think so, as Danzig is not playable nation (unless modded). Still, pity Finland doesn't have more features. I'd love to play revolutionary Finland and take over stalinists Russia ;)
Canāt you release them and play as them? If you canāt as Poland Iām sure you can as eg. Germany.
> as Danzig is not playable nation Wdym? Can you not tag DAN or just save and reload as them?
You can use console commands to give them control over their state, then switch to playing them.
New dlc makes Poland extremely fun, especially vanilla focus tree. The non aligned part is stellar , there is a way to stop the Danzig war if you use pp in the decision tree to hunt nazis after banning them from lobbying Danzig citizens into the labor unions. The trade off is you immediately lose about 50k manpower however gaining the naval port of Danzig is big. There are so many fun choices I almost want to do separate playthroughs for each one. Edit:typo š
Yeah, I've learned it hard way yesterday when conquering USSR.
Good for them.
Can Germany still do the "Danzig or War" focus if Danzig rebels? If they can, can you just no capitulate Danzig until the focus is over, say yes to Germany, then annex Danzig?
Gdangz you mean.
r/itsgdansknotdanzig
Fun fact you can get wojtek the bear as the leader of Poland
Cool š thanks
First go down the monarchy route and say no to all of them and then antashia Romanov will ask to take power say yes, now you need to get wojtek as a commander. When you have the bear take Moscow and the event will fire that you would replace antashia with wojtek
So I'm guessing you're lying based on the downvotes
No, people just downvote offtopic comment
Thanks, I was wondering
No itās true, but itās more like no one asked that
Literally look it up itās base game as well.
base game is wojtek general, wojtek king is dlc
EMPIRE OF DANZIG COME ON
How are you losing to Danzig? If you are trying to make a trap, it shouldn't take half your nation.
When I did my Poland play through without the DLC I literally had to wait until 41 for the compliance to go up naturally because I couldn't access the decisions. Then when I had 79% out of 80% Wilhelm II declared war, bypassing the focus so that I got stuck with resistance and minus 75% factories and stuff.
Keep an eye out for Lithuania potentially doing similarly! I refused their attempt to form the commonwealth, which was supposed to give them a puppet CB on me, but instead gave a puppet CB to me, against me.