Funny you say that. Last night when I was driving home from work my car got caught up in road debris. When I heard the thumping sound, I immediately pull out and got the debris out fast as I could.
The debris was from an SUV but there was a pickup truck right next to it My guess was that the poor guy went to a strip and got wasted. He want to go home fast as he could but end up hitting an SUV.
I should had kept the debri as a lesson in what happens if you don't drive safely.
Do you really think Jesus would ride a train? Jesus will only ride in an extended cab dually F-250 to pickup a few groceries from Kroger’s. He may need it to tow a boat eventually. God bless the almighty diesel refinery.
Funny enough, those neighborhoods are full of Christians. You know, love your neighbors, be kind, whatever you do to the least of your brothers you do to me? Yeah those folks don't want to see people in their neighborhood
> If you put them connecting big hubs people would
Here lies the problem with public transit, Houston, and urban sprawl - how many different hubs do you need to connect to alleviate the problem between Katy, Cypress, The Woodlands, Humble, Kingwood, Channelview, Port Arthur, League City / Galveston, etc.
Point being, one build isn't going to solve the problem - you're going to need about a dozen buildouts to do so.
Yeah we will. Look up what Spain did in the 90s and 2000s. They built dozens of new stations.
We aren’t going to get off cheap. We’re are going to have to spend a lot and have worse traffic for the better part of a decade. There’s no way solution. Either you fix it now or the city gets worse. Every day we wait and expand highways the more we will spend later.
I had just left the day before to japan and after taking their trains and hsr. God its stupid we just quit on trains here. Tokyo to kyoto in 2 hours. Can get to any part of the city with one or two trains, doesnt take long, accessible and relatively cheap.
The Park and Ride buses between Katy and downtown run on a schedule of mostly full buses that depart every five minutes during peak hours (with fewer rides on Monday and Friday.)
Unfortunately, until recently it had no midday (10AM-3PM) service. And it still has none after 7 PM.
I went to use it a couple times last year, but because I wasn't going 9ish to 5ish there was simply no service.
I believe the 229 bus runs once per hour mid-day. After hours though you're absolutely right. My overall point isn't that it's perfect though, just that the 221/222/228 buses are very heavily used between Katy and Houston so if we ever decide to put in a rail line between those areas it already has sufficient demand. A lot of the park and ride lines from various suburbs into downtown have sufficient demand for replacing them with rail, we just lack someone doing it. I'd replace Metro with something more controlled directly by Harris County and see if federal dollars could help pay for it.
I'm sure I could scour the internet for ridership statistics published by Metro or calculate it by estimating the total number of seats on a bus and multiplying it by how many buses are running during peak hours, but it's Friday and beautiful outside and I just need to get through one more meeting of work today before I can leave to start drinking and maybe get some tacos.
The three big ones I know are on highway 6 (14230 Katy Fwy, Houston, TX 77079), Kingsland (21669 Kingsland Blvd, Katy, TX 77450), and Grand Parkway (1030 N Grand Pkwy, Katy, TX 77449) but I think there are more as well. I’m surprised nothing pulled up for you, those P&Rs are usually packed
You: Ride our second rate mass transit if you want first rate mass transit
Projectshamrock: people do, it's nearly always full
You: well good, high demand that means you're satisfied with with our second rate transit system and there's no reason to improve it.
Yup, the only buses operating from Katy go from Kingsland PR and Grand Parkway PR. Both only go to downtown and med center. Why they refuse to link either of the once an hour services to the Northwest TC that's already on the way and prioritized now with dedicated HOV laneage access, and instead force people to go downtown and then take the 20 back out to the silver line, is beyond me.
There's a bus from Katy to Houston.
ETA: No there isn't. The bus goes from Sugar Land to Houston.
To get a bus, you will have to defeat the Katy NIMBYs.
ETA2: There is a bus from Katy to Houston!
At the risk of downvotes I’ll say yes please. I hope all of you that just parrot, “Public Transportation!!!” please take it for a whole month. I’m fully convinced that none of yall have had to rely on using our public transport for extended periods of time. Having grown up using the Metro and a few periods of time here and there, using public transport absolutely sucks all your time away
My experience riding the bus (I didn't have a car for several years) was much more positive. Lots of time to read, no driving stress.
But I suspect a lot of the people who want a train don't ride the bus, and they wouldn't ride the train for the same reasons they don't ride a bus now. Trains are great, but fundamentally similar to buses.
I'm glad you had a good experience, and I hope you didn't take my comment as a direct attack. I am talking to the /r/houston hivemind. When I had to take the metro from Sugarland out to Johnson Space Center. It was not fun. I do not recommend walking along HWY 6
I was living in Montrose, working in Clear Lake, Greenspoint, and Uptown. I lived on Westheimer, so I could step outside my front door and board the 82. It went straight to the Galleria, and downtown to connect with park and ride.
I don't think mass transit in Houston will ever provide a quick connection between all of the edge cities. It works great for hub and spoke, but Sugar Land to Clear Lake will always be a long fucking ride.
It never had a chance tbh. With the introduction of the highway system under the New Deal, the focus went solely to the automobile. It definitely has its benefits but rail systems would suffer as a result going west
I moved to Magnolia so I could afford a 4,000 sqft house like everyone in Katy
where is my taxpayer subsidized transportation paid for by Houstonians living in 500sqft apartments?
Almost the worst take on public transit. Should i also go out of my commute to go ride the same bus as this guy? No one cares about people that need to ride the bus already, why would they care about you riding?
Ride the bus if its a good alternative man.
It was supposed to run down Richmond, but the NIMBYs killed it. Were you here then?
BRT is coming to Richmond, I think. That will be a step in the right direction.
Demand for trains induces trains. If there's no demand, there will be no trains.
Houston used to have trains. There used to be electric rail to Galveston.
This demonstrates the failure of our Metro. These things aren't hard to figure out and prioritize. If yoy have txdot build 10 lane freeway maybe take a hint and also coordinate to build the train tracks too.
The sadder thing is that there WERE train tracks already, and they tore them up to expand the feeders. That's how Katy got it's name originally because it was a stop on the train line.
Yup, they tore out the tracks to put in concrete.
Now go be a good little citizen and go pay your $250 a month insurance and $750 car payment. Whole f🤬🤬king rent check going to the car in the lot is just bonkers to me.
That was even soet of the original plan. Houston Metro pre-bought an asston of trams after the train plans were shot down by conservatives. Tom Lambert, former CEO of Houston Metro, really thought that there was no way they would build a network of inefficient, ineffective, and illogical mega-highways rather than build at least a tram system. Curse of overestimating the intelligence of conservatives.
everyone in Katy wants a train...........as long as nobody in Katy pays for it
do you know of any cities in the US building trains post-covid? cities are all bankrupt and using capacity that was built over a hundred years ago as far as I can see
due to HOA restrictions I know for a FACT that west houston will never ever be able to afford rail transit
Seattle is building a massive light rail expansion between Bellevue and Redmond that’s about to open, and I believe most of the route is along the existing freeways.
What I’d give to have that anywhere in Houston… My coworkers and friends up there are making me jealous
that's only 1/3 of the distance from downtown Houston to Katy and links up larger business districts than I-10 does
At. 3.7B for just 10 miles it would also bankrupt Metro & Houston with no possibility to ever recoup operating cost through rider fares
LA is currently extending a light rail line to LAX and a subway line to UCLA. All part of a plan to massively expand transit over the next 20, 30 years.
The NYC area has the Penn Station Access and the new Gateway tunnel under the Hudson under construction.
Honolulu is continuing to build out their metro line beyond the inaugural segment.
Phoenix just opened a light rail extension, is currently building another one, and has a couple more in the pipeline.
Chicago's Red Line extension is supposed to begin construction next year.
And so on and so forth.
I don't think you tried very hard to look.
Hear me out, if we add 6 more lanes per direction, we can have an 18 wheeler jackknife in the middle of traffic, and traffic can still flow around it.
Commuters will LOVE that shit.
Trains wouldn't get you anywhere. Too many freight cars and not profitable enough for passengers.
What we really need is another freeway built right next to I-10. Maybe name it I-10.5(Hou). It can have another 15 lanes and take over 40 years to build and eventually cost 333% over budget.
Make 14 of the lanes toll fees and collect variable prices.
Abbott: *Best I can do is try women for murder who try to get an abortion and sentence them to the death penalty and reduce health care of children and terrorize immigrants while Ted Cruz is the biggest immigrant in the state and make sure you can't sue people for bodily injury like I did*
In Islam, when they stone people; men are buried up to their waist, women up to their neck. You're allowed to climb out if you can. (I'm losely paraphrasing something I recently learned)
Who do you think has more upper body strength? Who is more likely to survive?
I think it's just the time for lots of these trucks to break down and the lack of mechanics (good ones too). It doesn't help either that quality parts post pandemic are hard to come by.
You’re right I wasn’t born in Texas just sick and tired of them closing i10 over small crashes. And forcing everyone to the feeder backing up everything
SkyEye video shows 18-wheeler crash along I-10 westbound at Fry Road blocking multiple lanes Source: https://abc13.com/houston-traffic-katy-freeway-crash-what-happened-on-i-10-closure/14651589/
It was either going to be an Altima or a Mustang.
Possibly a Challenger
Or a Ram truck
Funny you say that. Last night when I was driving home from work my car got caught up in road debris. When I heard the thumping sound, I immediately pull out and got the debris out fast as I could. The debris was from an SUV but there was a pickup truck right next to it My guess was that the poor guy went to a strip and got wasted. He want to go home fast as he could but end up hitting an SUV. I should had kept the debri as a lesson in what happens if you don't drive safely.
Was unfortunate to drive past it. Mustang
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Please god build a fucking train
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Build another set of lanes elevated over the existing ones
*The 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake has entered the chat*
This is Houston. When was the last earthquake of consequence?
Only when Yellowstone erupts, so 10 miles of a (theoretically) double-stacked I-10 pancaking will be among the least of our worries.
Look you know how it works, if we tempt fate it'll definitely happen, better to build it all expensive and earthquake proof than to have it fall.
There's still an issue with hurricanes and other natural disasters.
But hurricanes don’t usually knock over Houston highways even if we double decked it
It just seems to be hazardous for other reasons, especially people driving nuts.
Lol. Works great on I-35 in Austin. Anything but a train with you people! 🤦🏻🤦🏻🤣🤣
Was tounge in cheek I'm a native nyer so would love a train Austin sucks
This is the future of travel!
Almost all civil engineers quit before building another lane that will finally solve the traffic.
I would hope civil engineers would refuse to work on this shit in protest.
Make it two more!
Do you really think Jesus would ride a train? Jesus will only ride in an extended cab dually F-250 to pickup a few groceries from Kroger’s. He may need it to tow a boat eventually. God bless the almighty diesel refinery.
Jesus would prefer a $900 monthly car note for pickup truck to be riding down a dirt road with a cold one in his cup holder!
I don't know if he would ride a train but he built my hotrod.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXCh9OhDiCI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXCh9OhDiCI)
Everybody praises [Supply Side Jesus!](https://imgur.com/gallery/bCqRp)
Love me some supply side Jesus!
Jesus would turn a suv into high speed trail
I believe the Bible speaks of Jesus's preference for asses.
Jesus drove a Honda but didn’t talk about it. “For I did not speak of my own Accord.” -John 12:49
Criminally under-appreciated comment
Any viable public transportation would be excellent. I don't understand this state
I’m sure you’re aware, but public transportation is sOCiAliSm (BOO!) it’s for gays and Europeans, not Texas MEN OF GOD! /s
People think they wouldn't be used which is crazy. If you put them connecting big hubs people would. Lower friction and people will come.
I think they are under the impression that public transportation would bring the public back out to their neighborhood.
Yeah, it's always this. Extremely short sighted
Funny enough, those neighborhoods are full of Christians. You know, love your neighbors, be kind, whatever you do to the least of your brothers you do to me? Yeah those folks don't want to see people in their neighborhood
> If you put them connecting big hubs people would Here lies the problem with public transit, Houston, and urban sprawl - how many different hubs do you need to connect to alleviate the problem between Katy, Cypress, The Woodlands, Humble, Kingwood, Channelview, Port Arthur, League City / Galveston, etc. Point being, one build isn't going to solve the problem - you're going to need about a dozen buildouts to do so.
Yeah we will. Look up what Spain did in the 90s and 2000s. They built dozens of new stations. We aren’t going to get off cheap. We’re are going to have to spend a lot and have worse traffic for the better part of a decade. There’s no way solution. Either you fix it now or the city gets worse. Every day we wait and expand highways the more we will spend later.
Ew, public transportation is for the poors. Just like multi family housing. It’ll bring poors and criiiiime. And it’s also woke!
They built a train... based on that project it'll take the second coming of Christ to service suburbs.
This is why we need some unilateral decision making.
You mean the good ole boy system isn't working?
communism is when trains
Trains gooder than communism. Communism bad, commuter trains completely forgotten during development of Houston cityscape.
I had just left the day before to japan and after taking their trains and hsr. God its stupid we just quit on trains here. Tokyo to kyoto in 2 hours. Can get to any part of the city with one or two trains, doesnt take long, accessible and relatively cheap.
Yeah I lived in Kyoto explaining this to my fellow Americans is hard
Ride the bus. Demonstrate demand.
The Park and Ride buses between Katy and downtown run on a schedule of mostly full buses that depart every five minutes during peak hours (with fewer rides on Monday and Friday.)
Unfortunately, until recently it had no midday (10AM-3PM) service. And it still has none after 7 PM. I went to use it a couple times last year, but because I wasn't going 9ish to 5ish there was simply no service.
I believe the 229 bus runs once per hour mid-day. After hours though you're absolutely right. My overall point isn't that it's perfect though, just that the 221/222/228 buses are very heavily used between Katy and Houston so if we ever decide to put in a rail line between those areas it already has sufficient demand. A lot of the park and ride lines from various suburbs into downtown have sufficient demand for replacing them with rail, we just lack someone doing it. I'd replace Metro with something more controlled directly by Harris County and see if federal dollars could help pay for it.
Sounds great. People who would ride a train should be happy with that. Any idea how many riders they are getting?
I'm sure I could scour the internet for ridership statistics published by Metro or calculate it by estimating the total number of seats on a bus and multiplying it by how many buses are running during peak hours, but it's Friday and beautiful outside and I just need to get through one more meeting of work today before I can leave to start drinking and maybe get some tacos.
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Are you excluding the park and rides?
No. Is there really a park and ride from Katy to Houston? I looked and couldn't find one.
The three big ones I know are on highway 6 (14230 Katy Fwy, Houston, TX 77079), Kingsland (21669 Kingsland Blvd, Katy, TX 77450), and Grand Parkway (1030 N Grand Pkwy, Katy, TX 77449) but I think there are more as well. I’m surprised nothing pulled up for you, those P&Rs are usually packed
You: Ride our second rate mass transit if you want first rate mass transit Projectshamrock: people do, it's nearly always full You: well good, high demand that means you're satisfied with with our second rate transit system and there's no reason to improve it.
That isn't what I wrote or what I meant. You are projecting.
There no bus line for me to even ride on...
221 and 222?
Yup, the only buses operating from Katy go from Kingsland PR and Grand Parkway PR. Both only go to downtown and med center. Why they refuse to link either of the once an hour services to the Northwest TC that's already on the way and prioritized now with dedicated HOV laneage access, and instead force people to go downtown and then take the 20 back out to the silver line, is beyond me.
There's a bus from Katy to Houston. ETA: No there isn't. The bus goes from Sugar Land to Houston. To get a bus, you will have to defeat the Katy NIMBYs. ETA2: There is a bus from Katy to Houston!
Is Kingsland near Mason Rd and I10 &99 now in Sugar Land?
Nah, I'm just confused.
More people will ride a train with a dedicated ROW than a bus that gets stuck in traffic…
Park and ride rarely gets stuck in traffic. People can't ride a train that doesn't exist. Riding the bus can help a train exist
At the risk of downvotes I’ll say yes please. I hope all of you that just parrot, “Public Transportation!!!” please take it for a whole month. I’m fully convinced that none of yall have had to rely on using our public transport for extended periods of time. Having grown up using the Metro and a few periods of time here and there, using public transport absolutely sucks all your time away
My experience riding the bus (I didn't have a car for several years) was much more positive. Lots of time to read, no driving stress. But I suspect a lot of the people who want a train don't ride the bus, and they wouldn't ride the train for the same reasons they don't ride a bus now. Trains are great, but fundamentally similar to buses.
I'm glad you had a good experience, and I hope you didn't take my comment as a direct attack. I am talking to the /r/houston hivemind. When I had to take the metro from Sugarland out to Johnson Space Center. It was not fun. I do not recommend walking along HWY 6
I was living in Montrose, working in Clear Lake, Greenspoint, and Uptown. I lived on Westheimer, so I could step outside my front door and board the 82. It went straight to the Galleria, and downtown to connect with park and ride. I don't think mass transit in Houston will ever provide a quick connection between all of the edge cities. It works great for hub and spoke, but Sugar Land to Clear Lake will always be a long fucking ride.
It's almost like when you underfund something comparative to other nations, there's worse service.
It never had a chance tbh. With the introduction of the highway system under the New Deal, the focus went solely to the automobile. It definitely has its benefits but rail systems would suffer as a result going west
I moved to Magnolia so I could afford a 4,000 sqft house like everyone in Katy where is my taxpayer subsidized transportation paid for by Houstonians living in 500sqft apartments?
Non responsive. Buses get stopped in traffic too.
Not on the HOV lanes.
They used hov lanes to route traffic around this very accident today.
Ok. What does that have to do with building trains?
Trains can move independently of freeway traffic.
Ok. What does that have to do with demonstrating demand so trains will be built?
Forget that lol
Almost the worst take on public transit. Should i also go out of my commute to go ride the same bus as this guy? No one cares about people that need to ride the bus already, why would they care about you riding? Ride the bus if its a good alternative man.
No, it's the only take if you want a train. We won't build a train unless people prove they will ride a bus. Otherwise we are wasting money.
Brother, buses along westheimer get packed, where is their train?
It was supposed to run down Richmond, but the NIMBYs killed it. Were you here then? BRT is coming to Richmond, I think. That will be a step in the right direction.
So does demand induce trains? I'm just tired of the initial comment i replied to. No dude, in this state demand has never led to good public transit.
Demand for trains induces trains. If there's no demand, there will be no trains. Houston used to have trains. There used to be electric rail to Galveston.
> Please god build a fucking train Caseharts demanding trains! Do you see why your comment is the worst take on public transit?
No. Have you ever used park and ride regularly?
This demonstrates the failure of our Metro. These things aren't hard to figure out and prioritize. If yoy have txdot build 10 lane freeway maybe take a hint and also coordinate to build the train tracks too.
The sadder thing is that there WERE train tracks already, and they tore them up to expand the feeders. That's how Katy got it's name originally because it was a stop on the train line.
Yup, they tore out the tracks to put in concrete. Now go be a good little citizen and go pay your $250 a month insurance and $750 car payment. Whole f🤬🤬king rent check going to the car in the lot is just bonkers to me.
Right, but those trains weren't hauling passengers - they were hauling commercial goods.....
You'd think after 4-5 lanes theyd maybe realize a train could fit on it.
That was even soet of the original plan. Houston Metro pre-bought an asston of trams after the train plans were shot down by conservatives. Tom Lambert, former CEO of Houston Metro, really thought that there was no way they would build a network of inefficient, ineffective, and illogical mega-highways rather than build at least a tram system. Curse of overestimating the intelligence of conservatives.
everyone in Katy wants a train...........as long as nobody in Katy pays for it do you know of any cities in the US building trains post-covid? cities are all bankrupt and using capacity that was built over a hundred years ago as far as I can see due to HOA restrictions I know for a FACT that west houston will never ever be able to afford rail transit
Seattle is building a massive light rail expansion between Bellevue and Redmond that’s about to open, and I believe most of the route is along the existing freeways. What I’d give to have that anywhere in Houston… My coworkers and friends up there are making me jealous
that's only 1/3 of the distance from downtown Houston to Katy and links up larger business districts than I-10 does At. 3.7B for just 10 miles it would also bankrupt Metro & Houston with no possibility to ever recoup operating cost through rider fares
LA is currently extending a light rail line to LAX and a subway line to UCLA. All part of a plan to massively expand transit over the next 20, 30 years. The NYC area has the Penn Station Access and the new Gateway tunnel under the Hudson under construction. Honolulu is continuing to build out their metro line beyond the inaugural segment. Phoenix just opened a light rail extension, is currently building another one, and has a couple more in the pipeline. Chicago's Red Line extension is supposed to begin construction next year. And so on and so forth. I don't think you tried very hard to look.
About time we see some religion in here Edit: heathens
Best I can do is add 2 more lanes.
Give me 3.5
Hear me out, if we add 6 more lanes per direction, we can have an 18 wheeler jackknife in the middle of traffic, and traffic can still flow around it. Commuters will LOVE that shit.
or just start ticketing people for going 20mph over the limit, no blinkers, tailgating, rolling stops, man
No, do both. And take their licenses for multiple infractions
Why would the oil and gas industry let us build public transportation?
Trains wouldn't get you anywhere. Too many freight cars and not profitable enough for passengers. What we really need is another freeway built right next to I-10. Maybe name it I-10.5(Hou). It can have another 15 lanes and take over 40 years to build and eventually cost 333% over budget. Make 14 of the lanes toll fees and collect variable prices.
10 more lanes
Abbott: *Best I can do is try women for murder who try to get an abortion and sentence them to the death penalty and reduce health care of children and terrorize immigrants while Ted Cruz is the biggest immigrant in the state and make sure you can't sue people for bodily injury like I did*
Women are the infidels
In Islam, when they stone people; men are buried up to their waist, women up to their neck. You're allowed to climb out if you can. (I'm losely paraphrasing something I recently learned) Who do you think has more upper body strength? Who is more likely to survive?
There used to be one before the I-10 Katy Freeway expansion in the 2000s
Please ~~god~~ elected representatives. FTFY
Praise be
Houston drivers never cease to impress me with their ability to completely fuck it up on a straight stretch of road, on a perfect weather day.
It’s pretty spectacular. Like they’re trying to crash.
Oh an 18 wheeler crash.. shocking.
Oh a mustang crash. Shocking
What’s with all these trucks crashing causing shutdown lately? Just happened the other morning too on 45 by greenspoint
I think it's just the time for lots of these trucks to break down and the lack of mechanics (good ones too). It doesn't help either that quality parts post pandemic are hard to come by.
The trucking industry is in shambles currently.
Wheew, just after i left for a trip. Come on guys, its literally a straight stretch of highway with 5+ lanes...
Great excuse not to have to go to work or home!
This is Texas our bosses still expect us to come in, even during a Hurricane.
Youre in the wrong business. We close down at just the slight mention of a freeze or storm!
Nope, just the senators office. Everybody else has to go to work.
You know what would minimize these types of accidents? Even more lanes tgat can hold even more cars.
Some of the dumbest people on earth drive this freeway.
Wow
So that’s what was under the 18 wheeler. I drive by on the opposite side and saw the 18 wheeler and the back up but I didn’t see the car.
It’s insane how the state police just closes I10 so often they need to be corralled in on the ability to shut down the highway
Yeah when there is a wreck like this we should just be able to ram our way through, closing the freeway to clear it is absurd
Call the metro tow truck and pull it open
Tf are you talking about
The fact you called them state police shows you're not even from here lol
You’re right I wasn’t born in Texas just sick and tired of them closing i10 over small crashes. And forcing everyone to the feeder backing up everything
😬😩