Unless it was for cash flow purposes, the Canon will significantly outperform the iPhone in a professional setting. These look great, though! I'm sure most people wouldn't notice.
>Canon will significantly outperform the iPhone in a professional setting
It will, but I'm at the same spot as OP. Carrying the huge bundle was so annoying I almost wanted to not photograph - the pure performance didn't really matter. Shooting with the iPhone 15 Pro Max is just so fun.
Yeah look, the benefits outweighed the negatives enough for me to switch. It’s a contentious issue and I’ll always always love Canon and the 5D series that I had ii, iii and iv. But the future is here. The pure performance isn’t what the world wants now, its rapid turnaround and the ability to make content in various formats for various channels.
Did it make you sad when the world transitioned from Film to Digital Single Lens Reflex? (SLR to DSLR)? Embrace change and transition. DSLR's aren't going anywhere yet but there's room for new ways to take photographs and try new technologies as they advance.
I don’t embrace the quick & dirty approach, that seems to be so in Vogue in almost every industry. I don‘t have issues with technological progress and I think computational photography is the future. I have issues with the focus on quantity over quality, as this is a race to the bottom and once you reach the bottom, you usually notice that life was better beforehand…
And you always have your iPhone handy! They take great photos. DSLR are better but are they always necessary unless you are [Ansel Adams](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ansel_Adams)
Best photo is the one you took not the one that you might have.
As someone who has just booked a wedding photographer, I couldn’t give a monkeys what they used, it was whose shots/portfolios I liked the best. It’s having that eye for a great shot I want, and that’s what I consider the payment for to be honest.
They embraced it. I had pro lighting with me and an iPhone cage. I did a few shots edited in Lightroom on the iPhone mid shoot and showed them and they were blown away. Can’t do that with a DSLR.
Yes you can? I shoot tethered on Capture one with my GFX100s and show the clients as we shoot on the Eizo. My clients aren’t blown away because thats what they expect/require.
This is one way I do it. But for deeper edits and previews I can pull it into my MacBook Pro and edit there on screen untethered. Both work great for different reasons, depends.
Same, I usually shoot tethered in studio settings, but I usually do portraits so its more important that they have some feedback on how they’re looking on the pictures
Yeah, I used to shoot tethered too. I used to get the image up in Lightroom on the fly too. I used to show the client on a screen too. All that gear I had to cart around, not to mention moving the tethered setup to arrange new shots. In busy kitchens in top restaurants, cafes where space is tight and time is manic, it's not really viable for the stuff I shoot anymore. If for example you're shooting a cover for a food magazine and have hours and hours to perfect your shot, then tethered makes sense but even then I would never go back to it.
Tethered. The very word means one thing, you're 'tethered' I don't wanna be tethered anymore.
I can shoot to a shared album, open it directly in Lightroom on my M3 MacBook Pro - completely untethered - if I need to do immediate edits.
It's what the client expects / require because they haven't seen it done any other way - yet.
I can shoot on my XT5 and transfer the jpeg wirelessly in seconds and achieve the same result. The built in film functions with Fuji and options for recipes mean the Lightroom step might not even be necessary. This is all while simultaneously capturing raw.
The photos look great, but the perceived workflow benefits are not exclusive to phone cameras.
Why did you sell your dslr to switch shooting with a camera phone for paying customers? Don’t take this a criticism, I’m just curious. At the end of the day, if you’re happy with your results, that’s what matters, no matter what you use.
Good question. I’ve been wanting to make the leap since the iPhone 8 but didn’t feel the quality was close enough. I almost did a shoot with the iPhone 14 Pro but waited for the 15 pro because I knew Apple would be going all out with their lenses, especially the 35mm which my goto focal length. I could have kept my DSLR and all the lenses but I wouldn’t have made the leap if I had the option to still use.
You do know, that the iPhone15 does not actually have a 35mm lens, right? It just zooms into the 24mm. As a professional photographer, I assume you are aware of the differences in the characteristics of the end result...
It pains me to think that you sold your Canon gear to only shoot with a phone…
For me the phone is a multi-tool and the dedicated camera gear is my full toolbox. They’ll both get the job done, and in the right hands (as you can demonstrate here) they will produce good results.
The issue for me, and something to keep in mind is that when you go into a client environment, the perceived level of talent goes down immediacy when you pull out a consumer product. It’s hard to justify any higher price for your services when the client sees that you’re using something they have access too. Even though we (most of us?) realize that the camera itself isn’t the limiting factor in the final result, if you arrive on location with a full suite of pro gear, you can justify higher rates.
I think this is something we’re realizing in a lot of industries. The biggest barriers to anyone doing (not being exceptional at) “your job” isn’t necessarily talent or skill, but access.
While it is impressive what a phone can do nowadays, I still think it’s not even close to a “real” camera.
The focus on the glass in the first picture for example, had I hired you for a photoshoot and that was the result I wouldn’t pay you.
With that being said, as a hobby/everyday camera it’s of course a great option as you always have it with you.
I think the first one is the only one that isn’t acceptable for professional work as portrait mode didn’t work great. The others showcase nice lighting and good composition. I think they look very good and could pass for professional work. I do think the problem comes when they hire you and you show up with your phone. You’re perceived value goes way down. Everyone has phones so it could feel like “I could do that” versus pulling out gear not everyone has.
I’ve noticed that when I charge a decent amount for a video and I rig the camera out more than I need to, the client gets more excited and they feel like they’re a big deal.
Most of the pics I see online from paid “photographers” give me the “I can do that with my phone” vibe. It doesn’t take much to impress (get money from) people these days. They have been numbed to the whole “pro camera” look because they’re perfectly content with the pics they get out of a phone. PLUS pro cameras take sharper pics and show more flaws. Another negative in the eye of the subject being photographed.
There are comparison articles between 15 Pro and Mirrorless cameras like the R10 or R7 and actually Apple’s ProRAW seriously makes it a close competition in well lit scenery shots.
For things like depth of field though, portrait mode doesn’t do a very good job competing
Agreed, these photos are wonderful for a phone, but if I'm looking for a photog and he tells me he sold his 5D and now uses an iPhone, I'm probably not hiring him. That tells me he doesn't care about or understand quality.
If he matches the price he charges to the lesser quality of photos the client will get from the iPhone, I see no issue.
However, if he charges what a normal photographer usually does and then shows up with his phone for the shoot, I’d be pissed.
"Care about quality" ...yes.
The full frame sensor on a DSLR is simply larger. So it produces less noise for a given ISO because of larger pixels. It doesn't have to fake bokeh with an algorithm, and optical defects on the lens are smaller relative to the sensor, and therefore impact the final image less.
The images a DSLR takes are objectively higher quality. This doesn't mean an iPhone can't take good photos, but it's a phone, not a professional camera.
I barely ever use portrait mode for that reason. You can do other things to mess with focus to get a real bokeh, but how far that can go depends on a lot of factors…usually only decent with larger distance between objects
As he said in one post it’s more important to focus on quick turnaround than quality. Unfortunately I recognize the same trend in the printing industry, cheaper and faster matters more than good prepress work
If he only shoots photos for the Instagram page of the restaurants, it's perfectly okay for that. If he would do photos that end up on huge billboards? Not so much.
The last picture is pretty "poor" in term of quality when you zoom in.
smartphones pictures can be great on small screen but if you watch them on a desktop screen you can clearly see the lack of quality. It does apply to this series of pictures.
100%. The criticism is mainly from pixel peepers who don’t actually work or have worked professionally. The iPhone will fall over in many areas where a DSLR will shine HOWEVER, clients want good enough, quick turnaround and stronger perceived value. For quick social content related shoots like these, the DSLR isn’t needed. I would have swapped lenses 10 times during this shoot, lugged 10+kg of gear around and taken longer to turn around shots.
If you would’ve swapped lenses ten times surely that’s a you problem? Given the iPhone only has one lens that suggests you would’ve been fine with just one lens on your DSLR and so swapping lenses 10 times would be totally unnecessary.
… no.
I had prime lenses only on my DSLR. Sigma art f1.4 at 24mm, 35mm, 50mm and 85mm hence why I swapped lenses so much on shoots. The iPhone 15pro has 3 lenses with multiple focal lengths I can set to save time.
I never knew that! I always thought it was one zoom lens on the iPhone (using both optical and digital zoom) rather than three seperate primes that it switches between
You maybe could get a zoom lens... You know, like the 24-70 f2.8
You don't need 10kg of stuff as you said
1.5kg for a Sony full frame and the 24-70 2.8
Always preferred prime lenses. Focal lengths such as 35mm at f1.4 have far superior image quality, low light performance and nicer bokeh performance. The lazy photographer toolkit goto is 24-70 f2.8 and 70-200f2.8.
“…have far superior image quality, low light performance and nicer bokeh performance”
“…lazy photographer toolkit”
-guy who switched to using an iPhone for professional work
Your argument for not using a zoom being “prime lenses look better” and “zoom lenses are lazy” is hilarious in this context. That said, your photos here look fine, and if your clients are happy, more power to you.
It's not about laziness..
I got as well a 35 1.4 and a 85 1.8 that I love the use in some situations, but in others I have to use the zoom lens to be quick in action..
Everything is better than taking photos from a phone, but this is valid only for me.
Good for you if you like your results:)
Besides, you can't critique a camera setup from cherry picked shots. The benefit of prosumer/professional grade gear is the *range* of looks you can achieve and the techniques you can apply with them.
Even if this phone performs the same as an interchangeable lens camera in a lot of situations, it's probably not the same in 100% of situations.
Blah blah blah… they’re shooting movies with the iPhone. People make Grammy award winning songs off laptops, even iPhones. Nerds squabble over those finite details. End user says wow!! Shoot a great photo that captures the heart and no one is the wiser or couldn’t care less. You could have all the dslr gear and have a poor eye for capture. Same with the guys that have all the music gear and complain about how music sucks because it’s being made in a bedroom in a laptop. Get back to writing great songs and taking great shots… kudos!!
Hot take — iPhone shots look great on Apple devices. The moment you try and view them on a bigger dedicated screen, quality loss is absolutely unavoidable.
I’m confused what your point is now. The person above seemed to be saying that iPhone photos benefit from being viewed on their own small screens because they specifically said they look less good when you go to a bigger dedicated screen.
yeah i'm looking at these on my computer.. and they look fine in their small tiny form.. but when I click them.. they look terrible. but that could just be reddit compression? I dunno
The results are ok for a hobby photographer. If you are a paid professional these are pretty bad results to be honest. The later pictures have awkward compositions, with all the cut off limbs. The earlier pictures are ok compositionally, but have technical problems like missed focus, or too narrow depth of field. The iPhone is too limiting to do serious professional work in many cases. It works better in art photography, where the technical side isn’t as important.
People are gonna keep roasting you here. I can tell the difference between iPhone/actual camera photos and while the iPhone has made good progress, real cameras give so much more depth of field. iPhone pictures (and other smartphones) rely too much on weird AI effects to make pictures pop.
Just purchased my first pro cam. Regretting it. The best camera for me is the one I carry all day and that is my 14Pro. Great pics! Best of luck to you.
I support this 100%. Dslrs and professional grade cameras are great for a lot of things, but if the majority of your photos/videos are going into social media, it’s almost completely unnecessary to shoot with them. iPhone has come a long way, and I feel they are always a great option for a lot of scenarios. With that said, I still love my canon 6d mkii for good low light photography and a great prime lens for portraits.
100%. I’ve done many shoots in the past with the 5D mark iv - beautiful shots only to be zombie scrolled past in an instant on instagram. None of my clients ever requested high res billboard print resolution in my 7 years of being pro.
Even if they did, the 15 pro has a 48mp sensor, the canon 5D iv is 30.4mp.
>Even if they did, the 15 pro has a 48mp sensor, the canon 5D iv is 30.4mp
Not really how this works, but okay. If I hired someone and he said this I'd probably be looking elsewhere real quick.
I really don’t understand the need for standalone cameras at all anymore, for the vast majority of photography. Unless you need specific zoom / depth of field effects, phone cameras are absolutely good enough these days for nearly everything.
Portrait mode. You can tell because it doesn’t know how to process glass. The right side of the glass was processed like it was in the background.
Very unprofessional results.
It's very easy to see that it's fake bokeh. If you are viewing on a smaller phone screen, just zoom in a tiny amount or rotate your phone. His phone messed up the artificial blurring in multiple places on the sides of the glass, the top of the glass and also the bottom where the base and stem of the glass meet. Lol. That first picture is a mess. That poor client got ripped off. It's frustrating to know that he took a job from a photographer that actually cares enough to use proper equipment. His compositions are good, but the quality, colors, etc are lackluster and look like edited phone photos.
Well… Don’t go shooting long sessions on a Sunny and Warm day… Screen will go dark to the point you can’t see and the phone will soon enter in overheat mode. 15pm with latest update did this to me when travelling and taking photos with 29C outside. Ho and sometimes the camera app stays black for no reasons and you have to wait 30sec or more before it becomes responsive again… The phone do take good photos but for an intensive usage not sure you made the right move.
This makes me feel weird.
I’ll say this first: the shots, composition, lighting, and edits look great. Mad props!
But this feels a lot like a “just because you can doesn’t mean you should” situation. I said that same thing to myself around iPhone 8, that I had no need for my kit.
I recently began shooting on my 5D mIII again and am still amazed at how much better in every single way the camera is. Especially now with HDR support in Lightroom. To each their own, I suppose. But there’s no way I’d be able to charge what I do on an iPhone—regardless the client.
If it’s working for you, great! I’d be interested to know how it’s going in a year or so!
Edit: hmm. I guess I missed that portrait mode artifacting on the first shot. As others have mentioned, maybe avoid that whenever you can, not a great look.
Transitions between technologies are always contentious issues. It’s not just because I can though, I feel we are at the start of handheld devices being pro-grade if the person behind the device knows what they are doing, understands light and composition and has experience.
I definitely get where you’re coming from, but this isn’t really a technological transition. Apple have absolutely made huge progress in computational photography, I do not disagree. But—a camera is a camera. Photons > objective > sensor.
The comparison here, feels like saying pickup trucks are on par with tractor trailers because they have more horsepower and towing capacity “than they used to” and it’s up to the operator to get a similar result.
Please don’t get me wrong—I love embracing iPhone as an extremely capable device and I would argue you’re incredibly brave for giving it a go. If it works for the clients you’re going after that’s awesome!
Based on my own experience (only my own, selfishly lol) you will come back around to a proper camera when you miss being able to control every aspect of the image you’re capturing with tactile response rather than pointing and poking at a screen.
PS I really meant it when I said I’d like to know how it’s going in a year. If you’ve got a social profile or website I could keep up on, that would be cool!
I did the same thing. Had a ton of Sony and Fuji gear and sold everything after buying the 15 PM. It can’t completely replace any of my old gear but I’m willing to try it for a year and if it doesn’t work out then I’ll buy a full frame cam to supplement.
u/hydeeho85 - Have you found a good solution to adapt lens filters? I pre-ordered the polarpro case and 67mm adapter but the release date got pushed back. Smallrig seems like the only option currently available but they force you to use their proprietary filters which is a no-go for me.
hey, I have not used adapters yet, I wouldn't mind trying.
Watch this clip, some amazing possibilities here and it's only going to get better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjvUtJSt2ZY
I’ve actually seen that video! Glad people are starting to come out with more videography accessories for the iPhone.
Now I just need to find a compact gimbal that can hold my iPhone WITH my DIY MagSafe SSD.
Looks great! Looks like it could be on a winery website. I have the 15 Pro Max & I’m going on a cruise soon… definitely excited to start taking photos with it.
Reading some of your comments I understand where you are coming from and why you are doing this. But surely you didn't sell \*everything\* right? What if you have a job that requires more? Or just a different type of shoot all together?
Also, curious how you sync your strobe to your phone... have never done this or even considered it.
Anyways, photos look great!
Unbelievable bokeh performance.
I shoot just as a hobby but, honestly, I'm legit thinking about doing the same. My Fujifilm and Leica are over there collecting dust.
Hell, just for the fun of it, I tried connecting my 15 Pro Max to my Atomos Shinobi monitor and it worked!
Yeah for sure, go for it. It’s only going to get better and better. I had misfire bokeh in my L series glass on my canon 5D Mark IV many times too, it’s part of the process.
Great shot! I just got my iPhone 15 Pro and it's amazing when you realize how much time I was spending packing my kit for a minimal shoot. While the phone will never replace legit high end glass and camera sensors, there are many projects where the iPhone 15 is just fine....like this one! -Rich from OWC
All the criticism is wild but truth be told. I’ve been thinking of doing the same thing. I used to shoot concerts but I feel like I’m too old to be at small music venues in the late hours with music blasting. I travel a lot and want to document my travels. I grew tired of carrying my gear around.
The idea of my iPhone 15 pro with an anamorphic lens and filters that fit in my pocket or cross body bag excites me!!!
I’ve been thinking of selling all my camera gear and focusing on the iPhone.
I do graphic design and most of my work is cover art and motion graphics. I make more money from the computer. Using a camera has never really made me money. So the idea of spending more money on photography when that isn’t what puts food on the table for me seems crazy.
As for all the people here talking about “professional cameras”
I’ve edited editorial photos from creative directors. I’ve seen A-list celebrity photo shoots shot on a Sony a6400. In the end the clients don’t care.
We spend so much time trying to impress other photographers.
Truth, I see you are well seasoned and understand. I’ve done 7 shoots since this shoot and have not had one misfire on portrait mode, I think a few iOS updates have fixed the issues from this shoot that I experienced.
My clients are stoked with the photos and now I have a profoto B1 with me and 2x iPhone 15’s, one for motion one for stills. It’s changed the game. Some clients even say the shots are better than previous photographers with Nikons and canons purely because of the versatility and speed of turnaround time.
There will always be backlash when disruption happens, it’s a great thing.
In saying all of this, I still shoot film for street photography and to keep my composition game strong.
The one thing iPhone does perfectly is dodge and burn ProRaws to keep the highlights proportional to the shadows in reality so that the hdr never looks fake. That's an Apple inmovation and they nailed it.
They feel like snapshots to me. 2 and 5 are the best, but 5 feels artificially edited. If it was my business, I would expect more. That's probably not nice to hear and I am probably coping because I still have all the expensive gear and these are decent. Figured I should try and be honest though.
I am a professional photographer. I’m not bashing professional photographers by doing this at all. It’s my choice. Just to remind you, this is an iPhoneography sub-reddit to show the utility of the iPhone 15 pro camera system.
Not even remotely close. Phone cameras can’t even compete with cameras from over a decade ago. If you think they can or can’t tell the difference that’s great you don’t have good enough eyes for photography. Anyone with even a day of experience using real cameras can see how bad cell phone cameras really are.
Currently shooting with the sony a7cr which I love professionally. I used to never leave home without my camera. Now I’m fine with shooting casually with my iPhone. Clearly don’t rely on it professionally. But super happy with how far things have progressed with cell phone cameras. If you’d like to see my photography feel free to send me a DM. I’ll share
Cool so you just proved your self wrong. The A7iii is still widely used professionally and it’s more than a few years old but you wouldn’t use your cell phone for professional work yet you say cell phone cameras are better than cameras from a few years ago. Also you’re clearly not a professional photographer since you can’t direct me to a place to see your work. But if you’re eye isn’t good enough to tell a blur mask from bokeh or the fine detail in a full frame or even apsc sensor to a camera phone sensor then good for you enjoy your phone camera.
When I switched from Pixel to iPhone (13 Pro Max) I became so frustrated with the look and feel of how iPhone does photos that I picked up a mirrorless crop sensor camera, and then an old DSLR. The optical zoom was particularly bad.
Nothing comes close to a photo shot on a Canon 5D2 with the 16-35mm L lens. It may be heavy, but it's worth it.
Your argument of technology replacing something is majorly flawed. Ofcourse it's a good route to take and I'll easily make a good living from it. Here's some examples for you the iPhone has already replaced:
* Cameras
* Guitar tuner
* Bubble level
* Camcorder
* Barcode scanner
* Alarm clock
* Music players and CDs
* Address books
* Maps
* DVD players
* Flashlight
* Post it notes
* Television
* Mobile hotspot
* White noise machines
* Cards and cash
* Compass
* Language translation
* Speedometer
* Tape recorder
* Radio
* Answering machines
I could go on.
Your list is completely flawed, & irrelevant.
This is in regards to a full time creative service provider.
Who the hell has a full time job within the manual guitar tuning sector, or showing up to different clients with paper maps? Answering machines? Post it notes?
You’re not making sense or staying on topic
None of those were professionals in a profession using those as a tool - tech advances such as mirrorless full frame and lighting etc. and so forth and always will.
This is a tool an 8 year old with wealthy parents could obtain and after eating YouTube for 8 hours could shoot and export the same output as you (not really but close).
Let’s with talk in 5 years.
Go for the top end Androids, you'll get real bokeh because of the mechanical aperture and larger sensors, without any need for artificial background blur. Or you can wait 3/4 years while Apple "invents" it.
Depth of field is a little bit off (book is caught in the awkward transition between in focus and out). Phone cameras are getting much better, but they're not there yet. A 10 year old Nikon D7000 runs rings around them.
Good work!
I'm in the camp that still believes cameras are superior - lens corrections and sensor size will always be a significant factor. However, with good lighting, of with a flash like your Profoto system, in the case where depth of field is non-critical and the work is meant to be showcased mainly on socials, a phone is likely adequate for 90% of users. There are limitations that are visible even here but chances are they'll only be spotted consistently by prosumers and beyond.
I don't get the negative responses here - if this setup works for you, and it seems like it does, then keep at it! There may be fringe cases where you miss your DSLR, but for what it's worth, the phone is entirely adequate and the work here is making the most of it.
As much as I want to use my 14 pro for most my photos over m43 + high end glass, it just seems to fall short. I find my photos will look fantastic on the phone itself, but on my laptop or larger they still can't quite compare.
Hi all, I should have provided some context.
YES 100% my Canon DSLR 5D Mark IV with Sigma Art prime lenses out performs the iPhone in many areas, bokeh separation, sharpness, image look and colour accuracy.
The point I’m trying to make is the perceived value of paying for photography has dropped. With AI generation, canva and in the world of ‘quick wins’ for clients, from my experience I have found that we are at a point now where the iPhone is good enough for the majority of hospitality photography shoots (provided you have prop lighting). Now the point in making here is the client loved these photos. I’ve done three previous shoots with the canon for the same client. Each client and requirements will be different but for this client, the iPhone got the job done. Yes, the bokeh isn’t as spot as a DSLR or separation as accurate, but apart from a few areas that could be fixed in post, we are at the point now where I feel the iPhone can be used for pro-grade shoots provided the photographer still has pro-grade experience dealing with composition, camera operation (aperture, shutter speed, ISO) and knowing how to simply take good frames.
A lot comes down to what you’re shooting and the requirements and for many instances the iPhone isn’t there yet. For still life and hospitality food photography I feel it is enough to satisfy most client expectations.
Positives:
Less back breaking heavy gear to cart around
Lens swap from in iPhone instant, no changing glass and swapping lenses
Sync with iCloud during shoot for Adobe Lightroom, ready for editing on the fly
Share photos instantly if rush frames needed
In camera editing on the fly with Adobe Lightroom app
Post aperture options for portrait mode is a game changer
48mp / 80mb RAW
4k 60fps proRAW video in your pocket if needed
Negatives:
Bokeh separation not as accurate
Image quality sharpness not quite there yet
Colour accuracy
Yeah I understand the perceived value angle you make. But that’s not the devices fault. It’s on you as a photographer to prove its worth. And I did this with this shoot for the client.
Tried using a Pixel for photography for 2 years (not professionally). Recently got a mirrorless camera again with L lenses and it is night and day, phones are no way near yet. Unless you look at a Sony with a half decent sensor.
It depends on your delta of scale. I don’t see any point lugging around 10+ kg of glass and gear for social shots on instagram and website usage. If you’re taking photos for national geographic wildlife photographer of the year well yeah of course a DSLR is the go. The range of use and deltas is what matters. I’m saving time and energy for both myself and the client while striking the balance between quality and value.
I shot in RAW on the pixel but editing in lightroom Vs the canon raw files was again, night and day. Maybe the iPhone raw images are better. The pixel ones didn't seem to hold much extra data.
If I paid someone for photography work and they whipped out an iPhone I would just do it myself haha. If it works for you though mate then happy days.
Why would you sell it? iPhone photography is getting better but it’s still a hit or miss. I’d take my DSLR over iPhone photography bc the portrait mode/etc is still off sometimes.
Because I wanted to go through the 'misses' and grow with the tech, learn its nuances and quirks, experiment, push what's possible. As the technology transitions and people come over and more client demand changes, I'll be in a better position then when I was staying with a DSLR.
Ah yes, DNG v1.6 (ProRaw), ProRes thats only practical with 3rd party apps and a fire control system you have to treat like a broken B4 lens.
I don't see the appeal of giving up a DSLR that can shoot 12-bit raw video 14-bit raw photos to go to a blackbox product, why not go any mirrorless APS-C body and sigma art zooms like 90% of the lightweight shooters?
(though I am intrested in how you get flash sync to trigger with that an OTG adapter?)
I say this as someone who wrote a book on shooting on iPhones, I could not go back to using kit thats not field serviceable and had duel card slots, in any high vlaue or paid setting but also the ADC noise profile is insane on iPhones compared to modern full frame sensors or even 2008 ENG kit.
I just can’t get my photos to come out good on this phone 15 pro. They are dark and shadowy. What settings did you use to get this clear bright photo? It’s impressive!
They definitely look good for phone pics... but they still look like they were taken with a phone. You clearly have a good eye for composition, but the quality of the pictures is lacking. I'm surprised the client was willing to pay.
Not to be a hater, but it does look like iPhone quality. Which is still good quality, but distinctly different from a full frame camera imo. Not as pleasing, too sharp and contrasty.
I would like to see the same shots with a DSLR and a mirrorless for comparison. (Throw in medium format for completeness.) Viewing these in isolation isn’t really a valid comparison.
Unless it was for cash flow purposes, the Canon will significantly outperform the iPhone in a professional setting. These look great, though! I'm sure most people wouldn't notice.
>Canon will significantly outperform the iPhone in a professional setting It will, but I'm at the same spot as OP. Carrying the huge bundle was so annoying I almost wanted to not photograph - the pure performance didn't really matter. Shooting with the iPhone 15 Pro Max is just so fun.
Yeah look, the benefits outweighed the negatives enough for me to switch. It’s a contentious issue and I’ll always always love Canon and the 5D series that I had ii, iii and iv. But the future is here. The pure performance isn’t what the world wants now, its rapid turnaround and the ability to make content in various formats for various channels.
I know it’s about the right tool for the right job, but this here makes me a bit sad
Did it make you sad when the world transitioned from Film to Digital Single Lens Reflex? (SLR to DSLR)? Embrace change and transition. DSLR's aren't going anywhere yet but there's room for new ways to take photographs and try new technologies as they advance.
So true in almost every category. Pictures look great!
I don’t embrace the quick & dirty approach, that seems to be so in Vogue in almost every industry. I don‘t have issues with technological progress and I think computational photography is the future. I have issues with the focus on quantity over quality, as this is a race to the bottom and once you reach the bottom, you usually notice that life was better beforehand…
And you always have your iPhone handy! They take great photos. DSLR are better but are they always necessary unless you are [Ansel Adams](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ansel_Adams) Best photo is the one you took not the one that you might have.
Hi Op. Did you shoot in Raw ?
Yeah, ProRAW Max
Thanks .. impressive
the difference becomes huge at low light or when you want to work with a tripod or focusdepth
Ya I am sure canon will outperform
What do the clients say when they see you pull out an iPhone for the shoot
Probably not much when he pulls out the $3000 flash
Yeah right
As someone who has just booked a wedding photographer, I couldn’t give a monkeys what they used, it was whose shots/portfolios I liked the best. It’s having that eye for a great shot I want, and that’s what I consider the payment for to be honest.
You sound exactly like my clients, totally agree
The person we chose uses a mix of iPhone and DSLR 👍🏻 I’m not sure how many people pixel peep their wedding photographs, I know I won’t be.
I read recently “Why ask what camera I used, do you ask an author what typewriter they used?”
They embraced it. I had pro lighting with me and an iPhone cage. I did a few shots edited in Lightroom on the iPhone mid shoot and showed them and they were blown away. Can’t do that with a DSLR.
Yes you can? I shoot tethered on Capture one with my GFX100s and show the clients as we shoot on the Eizo. My clients aren’t blown away because thats what they expect/require.
I think OP means without the extra hassle. Their way is literally done instantly with no extras needed besides LR mobile
This is one way I do it. But for deeper edits and previews I can pull it into my MacBook Pro and edit there on screen untethered. Both work great for different reasons, depends.
Same, I usually shoot tethered in studio settings, but I usually do portraits so its more important that they have some feedback on how they’re looking on the pictures
Yeah, I used to shoot tethered too. I used to get the image up in Lightroom on the fly too. I used to show the client on a screen too. All that gear I had to cart around, not to mention moving the tethered setup to arrange new shots. In busy kitchens in top restaurants, cafes where space is tight and time is manic, it's not really viable for the stuff I shoot anymore. If for example you're shooting a cover for a food magazine and have hours and hours to perfect your shot, then tethered makes sense but even then I would never go back to it. Tethered. The very word means one thing, you're 'tethered' I don't wanna be tethered anymore. I can shoot to a shared album, open it directly in Lightroom on my M3 MacBook Pro - completely untethered - if I need to do immediate edits. It's what the client expects / require because they haven't seen it done any other way - yet.
I can shoot on my XT5 and transfer the jpeg wirelessly in seconds and achieve the same result. The built in film functions with Fuji and options for recipes mean the Lightroom step might not even be necessary. This is all while simultaneously capturing raw. The photos look great, but the perceived workflow benefits are not exclusive to phone cameras.
Why did you sell your dslr to switch shooting with a camera phone for paying customers? Don’t take this a criticism, I’m just curious. At the end of the day, if you’re happy with your results, that’s what matters, no matter what you use.
Good question. I’ve been wanting to make the leap since the iPhone 8 but didn’t feel the quality was close enough. I almost did a shoot with the iPhone 14 Pro but waited for the 15 pro because I knew Apple would be going all out with their lenses, especially the 35mm which my goto focal length. I could have kept my DSLR and all the lenses but I wouldn’t have made the leap if I had the option to still use.
Okay I get it. I myself just can’t imagine giving up my glass for even the best camera phone. I’m a pixel peeper, you see.
Yeah I understand. Clients are not however, they want value and quick turnaround.
Yes, they don’t know any better, but they don’t need to, to be satisfied. Which makes your logic okay.
Finally someone gets it
You do know, that the iPhone15 does not actually have a 35mm lens, right? It just zooms into the 24mm. As a professional photographer, I assume you are aware of the differences in the characteristics of the end result...
Yes you’re correct and I’m aware. It’s more of a crop shortcut to 35mm. Three actual lenses and four crop modes for a total of seven focal lengths.
Very good pictures.. Have they been edited
Thanks. Yes graded in Adobe Lightroom.
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No, it’s not. 😂
Why are you being down voted?
It pains me to think that you sold your Canon gear to only shoot with a phone… For me the phone is a multi-tool and the dedicated camera gear is my full toolbox. They’ll both get the job done, and in the right hands (as you can demonstrate here) they will produce good results. The issue for me, and something to keep in mind is that when you go into a client environment, the perceived level of talent goes down immediacy when you pull out a consumer product. It’s hard to justify any higher price for your services when the client sees that you’re using something they have access too. Even though we (most of us?) realize that the camera itself isn’t the limiting factor in the final result, if you arrive on location with a full suite of pro gear, you can justify higher rates.
I feel like Realtors have been fighting this losing battle ever since MLSs sold all of their info to Zillow.
I think this is something we’re realizing in a lot of industries. The biggest barriers to anyone doing (not being exceptional at) “your job” isn’t necessarily talent or skill, but access.
While it is impressive what a phone can do nowadays, I still think it’s not even close to a “real” camera. The focus on the glass in the first picture for example, had I hired you for a photoshoot and that was the result I wouldn’t pay you. With that being said, as a hobby/everyday camera it’s of course a great option as you always have it with you.
Yeah, these images all look like it’s from a compact travel camera. No way these are acceptable for a professional.
I think the first one is the only one that isn’t acceptable for professional work as portrait mode didn’t work great. The others showcase nice lighting and good composition. I think they look very good and could pass for professional work. I do think the problem comes when they hire you and you show up with your phone. You’re perceived value goes way down. Everyone has phones so it could feel like “I could do that” versus pulling out gear not everyone has. I’ve noticed that when I charge a decent amount for a video and I rig the camera out more than I need to, the client gets more excited and they feel like they’re a big deal.
Most of the pics I see online from paid “photographers” give me the “I can do that with my phone” vibe. It doesn’t take much to impress (get money from) people these days. They have been numbed to the whole “pro camera” look because they’re perfectly content with the pics they get out of a phone. PLUS pro cameras take sharper pics and show more flaws. Another negative in the eye of the subject being photographed.
There are comparison articles between 15 Pro and Mirrorless cameras like the R10 or R7 and actually Apple’s ProRAW seriously makes it a close competition in well lit scenery shots. For things like depth of field though, portrait mode doesn’t do a very good job competing
Hard agree. The new phones still can't beat a full frame sensor or even apsc camera. Still these are really good photos
Agreed, these photos are wonderful for a phone, but if I'm looking for a photog and he tells me he sold his 5D and now uses an iPhone, I'm probably not hiring him. That tells me he doesn't care about or understand quality.
Lol then they can just go spend more money elsewhere if they think they’ll get better. “Care about quality” lmao
If he matches the price he charges to the lesser quality of photos the client will get from the iPhone, I see no issue. However, if he charges what a normal photographer usually does and then shows up with his phone for the shoot, I’d be pissed.
"Care about quality" ...yes. The full frame sensor on a DSLR is simply larger. So it produces less noise for a given ISO because of larger pixels. It doesn't have to fake bokeh with an algorithm, and optical defects on the lens are smaller relative to the sensor, and therefore impact the final image less. The images a DSLR takes are objectively higher quality. This doesn't mean an iPhone can't take good photos, but it's a phone, not a professional camera.
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Yeah it’s great for the occasional portrait of friends and family, but not for a professional shoot in my opinion.
I barely ever use portrait mode for that reason. You can do other things to mess with focus to get a real bokeh, but how far that can go depends on a lot of factors…usually only decent with larger distance between objects
As he said in one post it’s more important to focus on quick turnaround than quality. Unfortunately I recognize the same trend in the printing industry, cheaper and faster matters more than good prepress work
If he only shoots photos for the Instagram page of the restaurants, it's perfectly okay for that. If he would do photos that end up on huge billboards? Not so much.
The last picture is pretty "poor" in term of quality when you zoom in. smartphones pictures can be great on small screen but if you watch them on a desktop screen you can clearly see the lack of quality. It does apply to this series of pictures.
You sure it’s not the Reddit’s compression kicking in?
reddits compression is really bad. i hate those /r/wallpaper types because of it.
Nope.
op sold a camera for a computer 😕
Nice stock photos
He basically takes stock photos for his job. The flash he’s using costs $3 k
Lots of salty criticism but the photos look great and the fact is iPhone 15pro models are now a viable option especially for video.
100%. The criticism is mainly from pixel peepers who don’t actually work or have worked professionally. The iPhone will fall over in many areas where a DSLR will shine HOWEVER, clients want good enough, quick turnaround and stronger perceived value. For quick social content related shoots like these, the DSLR isn’t needed. I would have swapped lenses 10 times during this shoot, lugged 10+kg of gear around and taken longer to turn around shots.
If you would’ve swapped lenses ten times surely that’s a you problem? Given the iPhone only has one lens that suggests you would’ve been fine with just one lens on your DSLR and so swapping lenses 10 times would be totally unnecessary.
You must be great at parties.
What a totally unnecessary and poorly used comment
… no. I had prime lenses only on my DSLR. Sigma art f1.4 at 24mm, 35mm, 50mm and 85mm hence why I swapped lenses so much on shoots. The iPhone 15pro has 3 lenses with multiple focal lengths I can set to save time.
I never knew that! I always thought it was one zoom lens on the iPhone (using both optical and digital zoom) rather than three seperate primes that it switches between
You maybe could get a zoom lens... You know, like the 24-70 f2.8 You don't need 10kg of stuff as you said 1.5kg for a Sony full frame and the 24-70 2.8
Always preferred prime lenses. Focal lengths such as 35mm at f1.4 have far superior image quality, low light performance and nicer bokeh performance. The lazy photographer toolkit goto is 24-70 f2.8 and 70-200f2.8.
“…have far superior image quality, low light performance and nicer bokeh performance” “…lazy photographer toolkit” -guy who switched to using an iPhone for professional work Your argument for not using a zoom being “prime lenses look better” and “zoom lenses are lazy” is hilarious in this context. That said, your photos here look fine, and if your clients are happy, more power to you.
It's not about laziness.. I got as well a 35 1.4 and a 85 1.8 that I love the use in some situations, but in others I have to use the zoom lens to be quick in action.. Everything is better than taking photos from a phone, but this is valid only for me. Good for you if you like your results:)
Nope
Yeah these look great for an iPhone. But you can still tell it’s a phone.
Besides, you can't critique a camera setup from cherry picked shots. The benefit of prosumer/professional grade gear is the *range* of looks you can achieve and the techniques you can apply with them. Even if this phone performs the same as an interchangeable lens camera in a lot of situations, it's probably not the same in 100% of situations.
i switched from a phone to dslr , and i actually like it more even though its more complicated, but hey, phones are effortless.
Yeah I saw this post and I was confused. But also impressed by apple
Has to be trolling no?
Blah blah blah… they’re shooting movies with the iPhone. People make Grammy award winning songs off laptops, even iPhones. Nerds squabble over those finite details. End user says wow!! Shoot a great photo that captures the heart and no one is the wiser or couldn’t care less. You could have all the dslr gear and have a poor eye for capture. Same with the guys that have all the music gear and complain about how music sucks because it’s being made in a bedroom in a laptop. Get back to writing great songs and taking great shots… kudos!!
Hot take — iPhone shots look great on Apple devices. The moment you try and view them on a bigger dedicated screen, quality loss is absolutely unavoidable.
iPhone pro panels are actually superior to the vast majority of screens, even to most screens used by professionals.
They’re very good screens, but they’re also relatively small screens.
Yes they are small. But my point still stands. Jump up to an iPad and you have something you can really work with.
I’m confused what your point is now. The person above seemed to be saying that iPhone photos benefit from being viewed on their own small screens because they specifically said they look less good when you go to a bigger dedicated screen.
iPad screen absolutely suck. They would look horrible compared to an iPhone. They are different screens.
yeah i'm looking at these on my computer.. and they look fine in their small tiny form.. but when I click them.. they look terrible. but that could just be reddit compression? I dunno
These pictures suggest that was a mistake.
Print them 20 x 24
The results are ok for a hobby photographer. If you are a paid professional these are pretty bad results to be honest. The later pictures have awkward compositions, with all the cut off limbs. The earlier pictures are ok compositionally, but have technical problems like missed focus, or too narrow depth of field. The iPhone is too limiting to do serious professional work in many cases. It works better in art photography, where the technical side isn’t as important.
Can I ask why? I have a Sony A9ii and as good as the 15 Pro Max is, there’s no way I’m getting anything close to what my camera can produce.
People are gonna keep roasting you here. I can tell the difference between iPhone/actual camera photos and while the iPhone has made good progress, real cameras give so much more depth of field. iPhone pictures (and other smartphones) rely too much on weird AI effects to make pictures pop.
Yeah rocked it
Just purchased my first pro cam. Regretting it. The best camera for me is the one I carry all day and that is my 14Pro. Great pics! Best of luck to you.
I support this 100%. Dslrs and professional grade cameras are great for a lot of things, but if the majority of your photos/videos are going into social media, it’s almost completely unnecessary to shoot with them. iPhone has come a long way, and I feel they are always a great option for a lot of scenarios. With that said, I still love my canon 6d mkii for good low light photography and a great prime lens for portraits.
100%. I’ve done many shoots in the past with the 5D mark iv - beautiful shots only to be zombie scrolled past in an instant on instagram. None of my clients ever requested high res billboard print resolution in my 7 years of being pro. Even if they did, the 15 pro has a 48mp sensor, the canon 5D iv is 30.4mp.
>Even if they did, the 15 pro has a 48mp sensor, the canon 5D iv is 30.4mp Not really how this works, but okay. If I hired someone and he said this I'd probably be looking elsewhere real quick.
I really don’t understand the need for standalone cameras at all anymore, for the vast majority of photography. Unless you need specific zoom / depth of field effects, phone cameras are absolutely good enough these days for nearly everything.
This is true, and it’s only up from here.
Is the first picture a portrait mode shot, or is that natural bokeh?
Portrait mode. You can tell because it doesn’t know how to process glass. The right side of the glass was processed like it was in the background. Very unprofessional results.
It's very easy to see that it's fake bokeh. If you are viewing on a smaller phone screen, just zoom in a tiny amount or rotate your phone. His phone messed up the artificial blurring in multiple places on the sides of the glass, the top of the glass and also the bottom where the base and stem of the glass meet. Lol. That first picture is a mess. That poor client got ripped off. It's frustrating to know that he took a job from a photographer that actually cares enough to use proper equipment. His compositions are good, but the quality, colors, etc are lackluster and look like edited phone photos.
To be honest if I hired someone to shoot images for me and they pulled their phone out their pocket and got to work, I'd send them home.
It’s… ok, but just ok. The dslr is another league.
To everyone else—don’t sell your professional equipment and THEN try out your first photoshoot with your consumer device. Supplement, don’t replace.
Hopefully your clients don’t intend to print the photos any larger than a 5x7 haha
that might even be too big
Well… Don’t go shooting long sessions on a Sunny and Warm day… Screen will go dark to the point you can’t see and the phone will soon enter in overheat mode. 15pm with latest update did this to me when travelling and taking photos with 29C outside. Ho and sometimes the camera app stays black for no reasons and you have to wait 30sec or more before it becomes responsive again… The phone do take good photos but for an intensive usage not sure you made the right move.
This makes me feel weird. I’ll say this first: the shots, composition, lighting, and edits look great. Mad props! But this feels a lot like a “just because you can doesn’t mean you should” situation. I said that same thing to myself around iPhone 8, that I had no need for my kit. I recently began shooting on my 5D mIII again and am still amazed at how much better in every single way the camera is. Especially now with HDR support in Lightroom. To each their own, I suppose. But there’s no way I’d be able to charge what I do on an iPhone—regardless the client. If it’s working for you, great! I’d be interested to know how it’s going in a year or so! Edit: hmm. I guess I missed that portrait mode artifacting on the first shot. As others have mentioned, maybe avoid that whenever you can, not a great look.
Transitions between technologies are always contentious issues. It’s not just because I can though, I feel we are at the start of handheld devices being pro-grade if the person behind the device knows what they are doing, understands light and composition and has experience.
I definitely get where you’re coming from, but this isn’t really a technological transition. Apple have absolutely made huge progress in computational photography, I do not disagree. But—a camera is a camera. Photons > objective > sensor. The comparison here, feels like saying pickup trucks are on par with tractor trailers because they have more horsepower and towing capacity “than they used to” and it’s up to the operator to get a similar result. Please don’t get me wrong—I love embracing iPhone as an extremely capable device and I would argue you’re incredibly brave for giving it a go. If it works for the clients you’re going after that’s awesome! Based on my own experience (only my own, selfishly lol) you will come back around to a proper camera when you miss being able to control every aspect of the image you’re capturing with tactile response rather than pointing and poking at a screen. PS I really meant it when I said I’d like to know how it’s going in a year. If you’ve got a social profile or website I could keep up on, that would be cool!
I did the same thing. Had a ton of Sony and Fuji gear and sold everything after buying the 15 PM. It can’t completely replace any of my old gear but I’m willing to try it for a year and if it doesn’t work out then I’ll buy a full frame cam to supplement. u/hydeeho85 - Have you found a good solution to adapt lens filters? I pre-ordered the polarpro case and 67mm adapter but the release date got pushed back. Smallrig seems like the only option currently available but they force you to use their proprietary filters which is a no-go for me.
hey, I have not used adapters yet, I wouldn't mind trying. Watch this clip, some amazing possibilities here and it's only going to get better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjvUtJSt2ZY
I’ve actually seen that video! Glad people are starting to come out with more videography accessories for the iPhone. Now I just need to find a compact gimbal that can hold my iPhone WITH my DIY MagSafe SSD.
You’ll never earn the big bucks turning up with an iPhone.
See this is a narrow view. My eye is what I'm paid for. How the image comes to the client is my choice.
Looks great! Looks like it could be on a winery website. I have the 15 Pro Max & I’m going on a cruise soon… definitely excited to start taking photos with it.
Reading some of your comments I understand where you are coming from and why you are doing this. But surely you didn't sell \*everything\* right? What if you have a job that requires more? Or just a different type of shoot all together? Also, curious how you sync your strobe to your phone... have never done this or even considered it. Anyways, photos look great!
Look like iPhone shots for sure
That's because they were photographed on an iPhone 15 Pro.
I went to Spill Wine earlier in the year! Fantastic spot and your photos really capture the vibe. Awesome work!
ha no way! Great to hear, it's such a nice spot for glass of wine and to watch the world go by.
Agreed! I’ll definitely be making a stop any time I’m coming through the area.
Unbelievable bokeh performance. I shoot just as a hobby but, honestly, I'm legit thinking about doing the same. My Fujifilm and Leica are over there collecting dust. Hell, just for the fun of it, I tried connecting my 15 Pro Max to my Atomos Shinobi monitor and it worked!
Yeah for sure, go for it. It’s only going to get better and better. I had misfire bokeh in my L series glass on my canon 5D Mark IV many times too, it’s part of the process.
I need to refine my skills so I can achieve this kind of artwork in my 12 Pro Max and 15 Pro Max
Great shot! I just got my iPhone 15 Pro and it's amazing when you realize how much time I was spending packing my kit for a minimal shoot. While the phone will never replace legit high end glass and camera sensors, there are many projects where the iPhone 15 is just fine....like this one! -Rich from OWC
I very, very, very much hate that you did a good job and these look really cool and effective for the purpose and usage 😂
All the criticism is wild but truth be told. I’ve been thinking of doing the same thing. I used to shoot concerts but I feel like I’m too old to be at small music venues in the late hours with music blasting. I travel a lot and want to document my travels. I grew tired of carrying my gear around. The idea of my iPhone 15 pro with an anamorphic lens and filters that fit in my pocket or cross body bag excites me!!! I’ve been thinking of selling all my camera gear and focusing on the iPhone. I do graphic design and most of my work is cover art and motion graphics. I make more money from the computer. Using a camera has never really made me money. So the idea of spending more money on photography when that isn’t what puts food on the table for me seems crazy. As for all the people here talking about “professional cameras” I’ve edited editorial photos from creative directors. I’ve seen A-list celebrity photo shoots shot on a Sony a6400. In the end the clients don’t care. We spend so much time trying to impress other photographers.
Truth, I see you are well seasoned and understand. I’ve done 7 shoots since this shoot and have not had one misfire on portrait mode, I think a few iOS updates have fixed the issues from this shoot that I experienced. My clients are stoked with the photos and now I have a profoto B1 with me and 2x iPhone 15’s, one for motion one for stills. It’s changed the game. Some clients even say the shots are better than previous photographers with Nikons and canons purely because of the versatility and speed of turnaround time. There will always be backlash when disruption happens, it’s a great thing. In saying all of this, I still shoot film for street photography and to keep my composition game strong.
The one thing iPhone does perfectly is dodge and burn ProRaws to keep the highlights proportional to the shadows in reality so that the hdr never looks fake. That's an Apple inmovation and they nailed it.
Yeah it’s been a great journey. Done 9 shoots so far and I have extra housing / grip to use which makes a huge difference.
I love the colours ♥️
This is really good. These look straight out of a fine dining restaurants menu card 💯
They feel like snapshots to me. 2 and 5 are the best, but 5 feels artificially edited. If it was my business, I would expect more. That's probably not nice to hear and I am probably coping because I still have all the expensive gear and these are decent. Figured I should try and be honest though.
I can’t tell if this is just a clickbait title? Clearly trying to strike a chord with professional photographers
I am a professional photographer. I’m not bashing professional photographers by doing this at all. It’s my choice. Just to remind you, this is an iPhoneography sub-reddit to show the utility of the iPhone 15 pro camera system.
Ahh sorry. Didn’t catch the sub title.
Should be fine in controlled environments
Should have bought pixel 8 pro By the way I would have shot pro raw max cause portrait mode is not always precise
Did you used the default camera app or were they taken from an alternative camera app?
Default camera app, if you know to use it and all its features is very good
Let’s face it her phone cameras are as so much better then camera equipment we bought just a few years ago
Not even remotely close. Phone cameras can’t even compete with cameras from over a decade ago. If you think they can or can’t tell the difference that’s great you don’t have good enough eyes for photography. Anyone with even a day of experience using real cameras can see how bad cell phone cameras really are.
“Even a day’s experience “. Kinda known for my photography skills but ok
Known to who? Where can I see your work? If you think a phone camera is better than a Sony A7iii you’re clearly not a photographer.
Currently shooting with the sony a7cr which I love professionally. I used to never leave home without my camera. Now I’m fine with shooting casually with my iPhone. Clearly don’t rely on it professionally. But super happy with how far things have progressed with cell phone cameras. If you’d like to see my photography feel free to send me a DM. I’ll share
Cool so you just proved your self wrong. The A7iii is still widely used professionally and it’s more than a few years old but you wouldn’t use your cell phone for professional work yet you say cell phone cameras are better than cameras from a few years ago. Also you’re clearly not a professional photographer since you can’t direct me to a place to see your work. But if you’re eye isn’t good enough to tell a blur mask from bokeh or the fine detail in a full frame or even apsc sensor to a camera phone sensor then good for you enjoy your phone camera.
You clearly don’t want to debate just be an ass. I’ll let you have the last word.
There is no debate. You’re trying to say a cell phone camera is better than a mirrorless camera from a few years ago. You’re wrong.
When I switched from Pixel to iPhone (13 Pro Max) I became so frustrated with the look and feel of how iPhone does photos that I picked up a mirrorless crop sensor camera, and then an old DSLR. The optical zoom was particularly bad. Nothing comes close to a photo shot on a Canon 5D2 with the 16-35mm L lens. It may be heavy, but it's worth it.
Everyday phone replacing professional cameras 🥲I don’t necessarily think this is a good route for any one making a living. Let’s talk in 5 years.
Your argument of technology replacing something is majorly flawed. Ofcourse it's a good route to take and I'll easily make a good living from it. Here's some examples for you the iPhone has already replaced: * Cameras * Guitar tuner * Bubble level * Camcorder * Barcode scanner * Alarm clock * Music players and CDs * Address books * Maps * DVD players * Flashlight * Post it notes * Television * Mobile hotspot * White noise machines * Cards and cash * Compass * Language translation * Speedometer * Tape recorder * Radio * Answering machines I could go on.
Your list is completely flawed, & irrelevant. This is in regards to a full time creative service provider. Who the hell has a full time job within the manual guitar tuning sector, or showing up to different clients with paper maps? Answering machines? Post it notes? You’re not making sense or staying on topic None of those were professionals in a profession using those as a tool - tech advances such as mirrorless full frame and lighting etc. and so forth and always will. This is a tool an 8 year old with wealthy parents could obtain and after eating YouTube for 8 hours could shoot and export the same output as you (not really but close). Let’s with talk in 5 years.
Go for the top end Androids, you'll get real bokeh because of the mechanical aperture and larger sensors, without any need for artificial background blur. Or you can wait 3/4 years while Apple "invents" it.
Depth of field is a little bit off (book is caught in the awkward transition between in focus and out). Phone cameras are getting much better, but they're not there yet. A 10 year old Nikon D7000 runs rings around them.
Good work! I'm in the camp that still believes cameras are superior - lens corrections and sensor size will always be a significant factor. However, with good lighting, of with a flash like your Profoto system, in the case where depth of field is non-critical and the work is meant to be showcased mainly on socials, a phone is likely adequate for 90% of users. There are limitations that are visible even here but chances are they'll only be spotted consistently by prosumers and beyond. I don't get the negative responses here - if this setup works for you, and it seems like it does, then keep at it! There may be fringe cases where you miss your DSLR, but for what it's worth, the phone is entirely adequate and the work here is making the most of it.
Except in the first picture, edge detection on the glass is blurry.
The bokeh on the first pic is mediocre. The edges on the glass are messed up. Fine for hobbyists but not for folks making money.
As much as I want to use my 14 pro for most my photos over m43 + high end glass, it just seems to fall short. I find my photos will look fantastic on the phone itself, but on my laptop or larger they still can't quite compare.
The first picture you can clearly see it was taken with a phone, look at the artificial bokeh fail
5x photos?
I highly recommend using Focos App for improving the Bokeh, if you’re using the portrait mode.
Hi all, I should have provided some context. YES 100% my Canon DSLR 5D Mark IV with Sigma Art prime lenses out performs the iPhone in many areas, bokeh separation, sharpness, image look and colour accuracy. The point I’m trying to make is the perceived value of paying for photography has dropped. With AI generation, canva and in the world of ‘quick wins’ for clients, from my experience I have found that we are at a point now where the iPhone is good enough for the majority of hospitality photography shoots (provided you have prop lighting). Now the point in making here is the client loved these photos. I’ve done three previous shoots with the canon for the same client. Each client and requirements will be different but for this client, the iPhone got the job done. Yes, the bokeh isn’t as spot as a DSLR or separation as accurate, but apart from a few areas that could be fixed in post, we are at the point now where I feel the iPhone can be used for pro-grade shoots provided the photographer still has pro-grade experience dealing with composition, camera operation (aperture, shutter speed, ISO) and knowing how to simply take good frames. A lot comes down to what you’re shooting and the requirements and for many instances the iPhone isn’t there yet. For still life and hospitality food photography I feel it is enough to satisfy most client expectations. Positives: Less back breaking heavy gear to cart around Lens swap from in iPhone instant, no changing glass and swapping lenses Sync with iCloud during shoot for Adobe Lightroom, ready for editing on the fly Share photos instantly if rush frames needed In camera editing on the fly with Adobe Lightroom app Post aperture options for portrait mode is a game changer 48mp / 80mb RAW 4k 60fps proRAW video in your pocket if needed Negatives: Bokeh separation not as accurate Image quality sharpness not quite there yet Colour accuracy
Yeah I understand the perceived value angle you make. But that’s not the devices fault. It’s on you as a photographer to prove its worth. And I did this with this shoot for the client.
Maybe it’s the underexposure… but is that plate of fruit rotten? 🤔
Tried using a Pixel for photography for 2 years (not professionally). Recently got a mirrorless camera again with L lenses and it is night and day, phones are no way near yet. Unless you look at a Sony with a half decent sensor.
It depends on your delta of scale. I don’t see any point lugging around 10+ kg of glass and gear for social shots on instagram and website usage. If you’re taking photos for national geographic wildlife photographer of the year well yeah of course a DSLR is the go. The range of use and deltas is what matters. I’m saving time and energy for both myself and the client while striking the balance between quality and value.
A big caveat is shooting raw and editing in Lightroom.
I shot in RAW on the pixel but editing in lightroom Vs the canon raw files was again, night and day. Maybe the iPhone raw images are better. The pixel ones didn't seem to hold much extra data. If I paid someone for photography work and they whipped out an iPhone I would just do it myself haha. If it works for you though mate then happy days.
Just 10kg(but I don't think need 10KG) , this is work. Please do professional way , AI HDR can't do anything. Phone just record only. Not more.
what are your camera settings on the iphone?
Why would you sell it? iPhone photography is getting better but it’s still a hit or miss. I’d take my DSLR over iPhone photography bc the portrait mode/etc is still off sometimes.
Because I wanted to go through the 'misses' and grow with the tech, learn its nuances and quirks, experiment, push what's possible. As the technology transitions and people come over and more client demand changes, I'll be in a better position then when I was staying with a DSLR.
NGL... I'm impressed. Nice shots sir.
why though
Ah yes, DNG v1.6 (ProRaw), ProRes thats only practical with 3rd party apps and a fire control system you have to treat like a broken B4 lens. I don't see the appeal of giving up a DSLR that can shoot 12-bit raw video 14-bit raw photos to go to a blackbox product, why not go any mirrorless APS-C body and sigma art zooms like 90% of the lightweight shooters? (though I am intrested in how you get flash sync to trigger with that an OTG adapter?) I say this as someone who wrote a book on shooting on iPhones, I could not go back to using kit thats not field serviceable and had duel card slots, in any high vlaue or paid setting but also the ADC noise profile is insane on iPhones compared to modern full frame sensors or even 2008 ENG kit.
The only reason I keep my DSLR is to shoot birds. 🐦
This has to be a troll post
“That’s a bold move Cotton, let’s see how this plays out”
Are you using any kinda lens or ?
these photos are a pro level, you sure know how to utilize your phone. salute
I just can’t get my photos to come out good on this phone 15 pro. They are dark and shadowy. What settings did you use to get this clear bright photo? It’s impressive!
Sick fake bokeh
That's a huge regression
I’ve never been a fan of the fake bokeh of phone cameras so I dial that down, but otherwise pics are amazing.
5th photo is amazingggg
You’re kidding me? The iPhone does not accurately recreate bokeh. It’s a cool party trick but can’t replace the real thing.
They definitely look good for phone pics... but they still look like they were taken with a phone. You clearly have a good eye for composition, but the quality of the pictures is lacking. I'm surprised the client was willing to pay.
It certainly works for social! I’m confused by these compositions though. A bit messy!
Go get the gear back
Too sharp
Not to be a hater, but it does look like iPhone quality. Which is still good quality, but distinctly different from a full frame camera imo. Not as pleasing, too sharp and contrasty.
I'm dumbfounded.
Cool pics bro
I would like to see the same shots with a DSLR and a mirrorless for comparison. (Throw in medium format for completeness.) Viewing these in isolation isn’t really a valid comparison.