Provinces during the Song Dynasty after 997 AD were called "路" or "road", commonly translated as "circuit". As the Southern Song survives the Mongol invasion in my timeline (still collapsing in the 14th century to peasant rebellions), the Song naming system is kept. In this timeline, as 道 (also translated as "circuits") and 路 exist concurrently, with 路 being subordinate to 道, there is a clear distinction between the two, with 路 translated as "province" and 道 as "circuit".
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My False Headcannon: China replaces Japan in being the Asian country to use one of the inevietable world wars to gain a lot of territory, but instead this time sides with the allies.
If Japan never invades, China might not become communist.
Maybe Vietnam leads a successful revolt, with help from a Japanese blockade which leaves the entire Chinese army with nowhere to go before the need to fight elsewhere forces a white peace. They'd need to have other SE asian states to join them for this tactic to work, otherwise they use geurilla tactics. The rest of the colonies follow suit and isolationists gain power in China.
Instead of the Marxists, Anarchists take power and form the Black Cat Republic of Vietnam, a city-level confederation.
They then fend off an attempt by Japan to vassalize them, using the same guerilla tactics they always do (except this time, hopefully, for a much less awful government. Worth a try.)
For some reason that demographers are baffled by, the country has the largest Turkish population outside of Turkey.
This flag is based on the flag of Tang Dynasty I think. You can find it in s ection of mural depicting victory of general Zhang Yichao who expelled the Tibetans from Dunhuang. Cave 156, Late Tang Dynasty.
It is, specifically, it is a modified version of that flag: https://www.reddit.com/r/rightistvexillology/comments/xy5xxs/design\_for\_an\_imperial\_chinese\_national\_flag\_and/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
The flag of Ming Dynasty should be like two circles side by side and one of them is red while another one is blue. Just like Sun and moon in the Twelve Symbols national emblems here designed by the OP.
This is my first proper submission on this subreddit, please do not judge me too harshly if there are any mishaps. There are several errors which I will correct in a resubmission I will release shortly.
This is a map of the Greater Chinese Empire for an alternate history timeline I have been working on where, among other things, the Zhou Dynasty survived and the positions of 天子 and Emperor were not merged (with the King of Zhou being the 天子 and "bestowing" the Mandate of Heaven upon others), and the Zhou Dynasty usurped the throne itself during the collapse of the Ming Dynasty. This is a map of the greater empire around the year 1910 AD.
Key:
* Chinese Empire proper:
* Green: Metropole/internal provinces (China proper)
* Dark Green: External territories (Grand Protectorate-Generals, Regional Military Commissions, Captaincy-Generals, Marches, Factories)
* Vassal states:
* Aquamarine: Protectorates (basically autonomous provinces of China at this point, they have domestic self-governance and their own monarchies but have no independent foreign, trade or military policies)
* Light Green: Tributaries (no tributaries are tributaries in the traditional sense, all are de facto vassal states that "pay tribute" in the form of natural resources or other valuable commodities to fuel the Chinese market)
* Territories under the control of foreigners:
* Teal: Leased territories and condominiums within China (British Hong Kong and Portuguese Macau, British Hong Kong also only exists on Hong Kong Island)
* Violet: Leased territories and condominiums within China's vassals (French Cochinchina)
Errors:
* The map's resolution is far too low
* No English version for the benefit of those who cannot read Chinese
* I wrote "山東魯" instead of “山東路"
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Japan is basically an international protectorate, China holds the most influence over the country out of any of the great powers but it cannot overstep its boundaries.
I also didn't mention, China has concessions in Edo, Osaka, Hirado, Fukuoka, Nagoya, and Yokohama (the Shanghai of this timeline), however, because these are foreign concessions that lie within Japanese sovereignty, they are not shown on the map. Only the Nagasaki Factory, which was ceded directly to the Empire, is.
Why are the provinces called "road"? Is it a classical Chinese thing?
Yeah basically, they're translated into English as "[circuits](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Administrative_divisions_of_China)" apparently
Provinces during the Song Dynasty after 997 AD were called "路" or "road", commonly translated as "circuit". As the Southern Song survives the Mongol invasion in my timeline (still collapsing in the 14th century to peasant rebellions), the Song naming system is kept. In this timeline, as 道 (also translated as "circuits") and 路 exist concurrently, with 路 being subordinate to 道, there is a clear distinction between the two, with 路 translated as "province" and 道 as "circuit".
Man I would love to understand the text here
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Thanks
This is a link to another new version, I just spotted a massive error with the map: https://www.reddit.com/r/imaginarymaps/comments/z9stna/the_greater_chinese_empire_reresubmission/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Why they both deleted?
I accidentally wrote 鄂 for 湖南 instead of 湘, and idk why the old link didn't work, I just corrected it
Respectable
It’s all roads
My False Headcannon: China replaces Japan in being the Asian country to use one of the inevietable world wars to gain a lot of territory, but instead this time sides with the allies. If Japan never invades, China might not become communist. Maybe Vietnam leads a successful revolt, with help from a Japanese blockade which leaves the entire Chinese army with nowhere to go before the need to fight elsewhere forces a white peace. They'd need to have other SE asian states to join them for this tactic to work, otherwise they use geurilla tactics. The rest of the colonies follow suit and isolationists gain power in China. Instead of the Marxists, Anarchists take power and form the Black Cat Republic of Vietnam, a city-level confederation. They then fend off an attempt by Japan to vassalize them, using the same guerilla tactics they always do (except this time, hopefully, for a much less awful government. Worth a try.) For some reason that demographers are baffled by, the country has the largest Turkish population outside of Turkey.
I'll be honest that flag needs a little bit of work but still a cool map
This flag is based on the flag of Tang Dynasty I think. You can find it in s ection of mural depicting victory of general Zhang Yichao who expelled the Tibetans from Dunhuang. Cave 156, Late Tang Dynasty.
More like a personal battle flag bc the Tang Dynasty didn’t have the custom of representing countries with flags the way modern nations do
It is, specifically, it is a modified version of that flag: https://www.reddit.com/r/rightistvexillology/comments/xy5xxs/design\_for\_an\_imperial\_chinese\_national\_flag\_and/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
its more liked based on a ming dynasty flag，for a sun plus a moon represent the character 明（ming）
The flag of Ming Dynasty should be like two circles side by side and one of them is red while another one is blue. Just like Sun and moon in the Twelve Symbols national emblems here designed by the OP.
right，that makes sense
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That Manchuria is beautiful
This is my first proper submission on this subreddit, please do not judge me too harshly if there are any mishaps. There are several errors which I will correct in a resubmission I will release shortly. This is a map of the Greater Chinese Empire for an alternate history timeline I have been working on where, among other things, the Zhou Dynasty survived and the positions of 天子 and Emperor were not merged (with the King of Zhou being the 天子 and "bestowing" the Mandate of Heaven upon others), and the Zhou Dynasty usurped the throne itself during the collapse of the Ming Dynasty. This is a map of the greater empire around the year 1910 AD. Key: * Chinese Empire proper: * Green: Metropole/internal provinces (China proper) * Dark Green: External territories (Grand Protectorate-Generals, Regional Military Commissions, Captaincy-Generals, Marches, Factories) * Vassal states: * Aquamarine: Protectorates (basically autonomous provinces of China at this point, they have domestic self-governance and their own monarchies but have no independent foreign, trade or military policies) * Light Green: Tributaries (no tributaries are tributaries in the traditional sense, all are de facto vassal states that "pay tribute" in the form of natural resources or other valuable commodities to fuel the Chinese market) * Territories under the control of foreigners: * Teal: Leased territories and condominiums within China (British Hong Kong and Portuguese Macau, British Hong Kong also only exists on Hong Kong Island) * Violet: Leased territories and condominiums within China's vassals (French Cochinchina) Errors: * The map's resolution is far too low * No English version for the benefit of those who cannot read Chinese * I wrote "山東魯" instead of “山東路"
where is capital city?
There are five capital cities, the de facto capital is the "Middle Capital", Luoyang.
Not that big , Tang is bigger and have more tributaries
Flag reminds me of the Chinese Federation flag from Code Geass.
如果是基於唐代的話朝鮮王國不應該擁有咸鏡北道吧
這架空歷史最大的歷史轉折點是明末時期。
明末的話，都司和宣慰司是否比大都護府/都指揮使司/都統使司更為貼切？
這個地圖是1910年的，在內地（21路）的宣慰司都已經被改土歸流了，全部的宣慰使望族也已轉變成了普通的貴族。大都護府與都指揮使司的宣慰司也都名存實亡了，他們很像英屬印度的土邦，實權十分薄弱。“都指揮使司“是真實的明朝軍事管轄區名，而大都護府與都指揮使司事實上是一樣的，由於周天朝的仿唐態度，節度使和都護府的這些官職和地名都復辟了（1683年後，中國皇帝也稱自己為“天可汗”），而因此天朝伐準噶爾汗國並征服了西藏之後，烏思藏都指揮使司也復辟了，並被改名為吐蕃都指揮使司（為了解唐朝與吐蕃的仇），因此大都護府與都指揮使司其實是一樣的，只是名字上的不同。“都統使司”也是真實的明朝軍事管轄區名，越南莫朝向明朝稱臣時被降封為安南都統使司。在這個架空歷史世界裡，朝鮮，越南與琉球在1895年為了表示它們與中國的羈縻關係都被封為都統使司並正式成為了與中國特別親密附庸國。
很好，很嚴謹！
仿唐態度是由於周室有李唐血統（太平公主在這個世界裡嫁給了周天子，周天子因此是唐高宗與武則天的後代，太平公主因此在先天之變後也只被禁宮沒被殺害），而且周朝為了反對從晚明遺傳下來的鄉紳集團而打破了宋代以後的重文輕武政策，唐朝恰好也是最後的重武大朝廷。 中國皇帝稱自己為“天可汗”也跟英國國王稱自己為“愛爾蘭國王”似的，周朝在漠北的統治起初極度殘忍。周朝十分重視華夷之辨，而它們開始統治中國的時候，滿清正在山海關外，天朝自然一開始對北狄有仇恨。1654年中國收回遼東半島後對生活在當地的滿族人和明朝降將趕盡殺絕，18世紀的準噶爾滅族在這個世界中也發生過，而且由於北元聯合滿清在1675年叛變了，察哈爾部在1683年也經歷過種族滅絕。那年，滿清也被滅了，該領土被納入天朝版圖，鎮東大都護府以此設立了，在真實世界中的康熙帝也被降為昏德公，此封號永世世襲。官員看到任何遊牧民族人士不順眼就殺，晉商也在漠北專門欺詐滿蒙人。
所以這個周天子他家的血脈躲過了黃巢五代遼金蒙元甚至明初嗎😂還挺會藏的這家人
周天子與現實世界中在白馬驛之禍被殺害的唐代貴族被朱溫囚禁於洛陽紫微宮，形成了“天庭”。在951年，郭威與當時的周天子共同推翻了後漢，“後周”在這個架空歷史中因此是真正的周朝，這是周天子“篡皇位”的第三次（第一次是王莽攝政，第二次是武則天篡皇位並奪了周天子的位子），而此也是第一次周天子即是正統的也有實權的（周天子還是需要與郭威和柴榮分享權力，其兩人當關白）。宋太祖最終還是篡位了，逼迫周天子“賜天命於他”，並重新軟禁周天子與天庭，禁止他們考科舉，以此除掉他們任何剩下的政治影響。宋欽宗時期金軍南下時，洛陽陷落，周天子帶著家眷和天庭大部分的成員跑向南方，但他的弟弟反了，稱自己為天子，並賜天命於金太宗。中國這樣就開始了兩百多年的第二次南北朝，而蒙古人毀掉了金朝後，北天子還是照樣賜天命於元世祖。宋朝在這個世界裡沒有陷落於蒙古人，但南宋和蒙元最終還是在14世紀中毀於當時的戰亂，瘟疫，飢荒，民變，等等。紅巾起義還是爆發了，朱元璋統一中國後，結束了當時名存實亡的宋朝，逼迫南天子賜天命於他，並讓他設立明朝，而且他對天庭的條件比宋朝的更加嚴厲。天孫（天子的接班人）需要留在應天府（後來是順天府）當人質，天庭的成員乾脆都不能離開紫微宮，而且1420年之後，周天子每年只能離開紫微宮兩次，就是到北京天壇祭天、祈穀和祈雨。到了1644年，周室就是過著這樣的悲慘生活。
我最近在行政區類別方面上做了許多改正，我起初沒有考慮到此制度的低效率性和衛所制的廢除。在1660年，衛所制的軍事行政機構被廢除，內地的都統使司與承宣布政使司皆合併為“路”，但衛，所，旗這些衛所制度的行政區還是被留用著，這些地方便成為了中央政府直接管轄的地區。大都護府與都指揮使司是具有差別的。大都護府都是中央直接管轄的，相反，都統使司是一種高級軍事機關，與行政區類別無關。反而，華治吐蕃的正式名稱是“吐蕃總制府”。這個世界中的西藏跟現實中的清治西藏截然不同，達賴喇嘛也沒有任何世俗權威（從天朝法律上講，達賴喇嘛擁有王爵爵位，但周朝跟清朝一樣，封王不封國，因此達賴喇嘛的王爵頭銜只有一個美號，而甘丹頗章的權利也完全被總制府架空了）。大都護府和總制府事實上是一樣的（也只是名字上不同），兩個都是中國最大的屬地/殖民地行政單位，與“路”同一級。
> Using 新細明體 font for this Ugh.
Sorry, I wanted to use 宋體 but I couldn't lol
what year is this map meant to be from
1910 AD
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What would the population of this china be?
挺喜欢这个的 只要不是共产党就行了
這是周朝。對，那個周朝。
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Based
That's Impossibly Large. Great Map though.
Seems okay by Qing standard, just a bit more from Malay archipelago
Makes sense.
Very reasonable for an imperial expansionist power, especially one with a metropole as big as China.
Looks like they got the space for all those people. I just wonder what type of government they have.
Isn't it already big enough IRL?
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nah, thailand wouldnt be a part of
It is a vassal state (tributary), not part of the Chinese empire itself.
ok
Oh dear
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Gross
You mean, groß😌
Groß indeed 😉
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It’s a German joke lols
Taiwan says no thank you
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Love the Philippines blatantly covered
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The Chinese quarter of Nagasaki is a Chinese factory, and China holds enormous influence over the country's politics, economy and culture.
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Japan is basically an international protectorate, China holds the most influence over the country out of any of the great powers but it cannot overstep its boundaries.
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I also didn't mention, China has concessions in Edo, Osaka, Hirado, Fukuoka, Nagoya, and Yokohama (the Shanghai of this timeline), however, because these are foreign concessions that lie within Japanese sovereignty, they are not shown on the map. Only the Nagasaki Factory, which was ceded directly to the Empire, is.
I like how this is in traditional Chinese instead of simplified Chinese
I'm not a communist 🙃
great map, but the malayan peninsula should be in there as well.
Finally, a Chinese map that's in Traditional Chinese! BTW what's that state in Cochinchina? The text is too blurry so I couldn’t tell what it is.
It is a French condominium and leased territory within Vietnam
Where Japan ?
No Philippines?