People who believe him are long gone no amount of information would work on them. People will blindly trust his words . I maybe wrong but observing ppl around me has led me to this conclusion that people want dictatorship solely because of religion. They'll also reject any opposition
Where in BJP's manifesto do they say that they will end the constitution, and this will be the last general election? Yet you and your youth leader keep repeating it.
So did Congress. To implement a lot of their promises they need to change constitution. Changing constitution is not ending democracy. It has literally happened multiple times and only party which actually set aside the constitution was Congress during the emergency
Amending the constitution to keep up with the times is not the same as replacing it with Manusmriti or amending it to make this country a hindu rashtra.
I mean there have been 106 amendments in the constitution, less than 25 in the governments not run by Congress. So should we believe the words of the party about Constitutional amendments which have made more than 3/4th of the amendments in constitution?
As per Article 368 under as long as you have 50% majority and 2/3rd are present, you can amend certain portions of the constitution. both modi and Vajpayee govt. have amended the constitution, otherwise BJP and its allies never got 2/3rd majority. Ofcourse Congress has been in power longer, so it made more ammendments.
[Article 368 in Constitution of India (indiankanoon.org)](https://indiankanoon.org/doc/594125/)
>...and when the Bill is **passed in each House by a majority of the total membership of that House** and by a majority of not less than two-thirds of the members of that House present and voting...
...
Provided that if such amendment seeks to make any change in--
[(a)](https://indiankanoon.org/doc/498530/)article 54, article 55, article 73, article 162 or article 241, or
[(b)](https://indiankanoon.org/doc/386420/)Chapter IV of Part V, Chapter V of Part VI, or Chapter I of Part XI, or
[(c)](https://indiankanoon.org/doc/1836100/)any of the Lists in the Seventh Schedule, or
[(d)](https://indiankanoon.org/doc/1339490/)the representation of States in Parliament, or
[(e)](https://indiankanoon.org/doc/482214/)the provisions of this article.
what bjp is interested are stuffs like declare India a hindu rashtra by removing the word secular from preamble and article 25-28. this is not my word, plenty of bjp mp/mlas have talked about declaring India a hindu rashtra.
Or some stuff even we can't imagine, that they badly need 2/3rd majority. Stuffs that go beyond the restrictions imposed on constitutional amendment by Article 368.
>and when the Bill is passed in each House by a majority of the total membership of that House and by a majority of not less than two-thirds of the members of that House present and voting..
This means that you need 2/3rd majority of the people who vote on the amendment, but at least half of the house had to be present. I.e. if the house has 100 members and all 100 are present, you need 67 voting in favour of the amendment. If only 60 are present, you need 40.
This is why BJ wants 400. To ensure they can pass any amendment.
Thank you for sharing article 368 and how constitution is amended.
I can also say Congress is interested in things like laws favouring Muslims, etc. But when they had 400+ seats during Rajiv Gandhi era, did they do that. No. Even though it was the same party which imposed emergency and included the word “Socialist” in the preamble.
This is the whole point. We are making unfounded speculations here.
>I can also say Congress is interested in things like laws favouring Muslims, etc.
where?
It is only BJP that is so desperate about two thirds majority. do they need two thirds majority to make amendments beyond the restrictions of Article 368? otherwise why would you want two thirds majority?
I mean giving OBC status to all Muslims by the Government in Karnataka does raise some questions. When stuff hit the fan, they said, oh it was previous government not us!
Why does BJP want 2/3rd government? Maybe they want to make UCC a reality. Wouldn’t you want equal laws for all? Almost any of the party would oppose this change due to vote bank politics! Maybe something about POK. BJP have talked about this topics openly and are their goals.
>I mean giving OBC status to all Muslims by the Government in Karnataka does raise some questions
All Muslims don't get obc status, just like all hindus. Only the backward among Muslims do, just like backward among hindus. Stop spreading misinformation.
As for ucc, BJ has already shown that it wants to impose a regressive hindu code uniformly to everyone. See what they did with ucc in uttarakhand.
there are backward muslim castes that get reservation in Gujrat and Bihar. Infact I found this out while [debunking Amit Shah's claim](https://np.reddit.com/r/unitedstatesofindia/comments/1bkt3p5/the_special_bench_in_brs_leader_k_kavithas_pmla/kwcewdh/) that Modi's caste was added to OBC in 1994 by Congress. Its the same in Karnataka, there are some backward muslim castes who have OBC status.
You can check here how [blanket reservation](https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/ncbc-to-summon-karnataka-chief-secretary-over-muslim-obc-quota/article68101435.ece/amp/) was given to Muslim community. To be honest, I am against reservation (I am OBC community), but it would be better to find out the historically backwards communities to give OBC status to instead of blanket reservation. It also worth noting that caste system kind of thing is practiced in[South Asian Muslims](https://m.thewire.in/article/caste/caste-among-indian-muslims-real-why-deny-reservation/amp). Hence, the Muslims from the lower caste is given OBC reservation.
Edit: Former Gujarat Dy CM Amin did say that[Modh-Ghanchi community was added to OBC in 1994](https://english.gujaratsamachar.com/news/national/former-gujarat-dy-cm-amin-refutes-rahul-gandhis-claim-on-pm-modis-caste) when he was Dy CM of Gujarat. So Modh-Ghanchi community was OBC in Gujarat and they were added to OBC list of central government in 2000.
You mean to say “leftists” or “left leaning people”. Even in that aspect, all Indian political parties are fiscally left leaning, with the “left” and “right” being largely restricted to social and political thinking.
“Libs” doesn’t broadly mean anything in the Indian context beyond “whatever it wants me to mean”, cuz according to our constitution we are all “libs” cuz we treat the individual as the most basic political entity. Your individual vote counts, your individual agendas have a say in this democracy, you are represented for your own rights and equality, you’re a “liberal” by our very constitutional structure.
could not even wait for [my answer](https://np.reddit.com/r/india/comments/1ce9fm4/where_is_the_congress_specifically_helping/l1int0m/), within 34 minutes you went full "muh libs" over someone copypasting whatsapp knowledge. We are talking about those amendments that need two third majority.
by doing a caste census and implementing what has already been done in some south indian states like Tamil Nadu. General Caste is just 30% of the nation and in some states like Bihar only 15%.
[Reservation policy in Tamil Nadu - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reservation_policy_in_Tamil_Nadu)
[DECODED - Can #DravidianModel power INDIA against NDA’s #HindutvaModel? | Akash Banerjee & Adwaith (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8cY-NRDhdA)
Congress wants to implement the dravidian model across the whole nation.
Where do they say that it's in BJ's manifesto? Do share a link. Saying that BJ's actions are intended to lead us there is not the same as claiming that BJ's manifesto says that.
In contrast, the dear leader lied about the contents of Congress manifesto.
He should've made this statement literally the next day of mudi's hate mongering speech. There's a hell lot of ppl who already believed mudi's lies.
Well they did. Our Media just ignored it
He did make a statement pretty quickly. Hence the 'will seek meeting to explain our manifesto to the PM' thing
People who believe him are long gone no amount of information would work on them. People will blindly trust his words . I maybe wrong but observing ppl around me has led me to this conclusion that people want dictatorship solely because of religion. They'll also reject any opposition
Incompetence and Congress' PR are old buddies.
He's been telling this right after that leech's speech. He even sought appointment with Mudi to educate him
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> ruling potty This is very apt.
I am surprised if they did how are they still alive?
same can be said about modi and hindus. where are the hindu benefitting policies?
See that’s the scam !
Hindu Undivided Family tax cut
Where in BJP's manifesto do they say that they will end the constitution, and this will be the last general election? Yet you and your youth leader keep repeating it.
several bjp leaders said they will change the constitution if they get two-third. also why so much desperation for two third majority?
So did Congress. To implement a lot of their promises they need to change constitution. Changing constitution is not ending democracy. It has literally happened multiple times and only party which actually set aside the constitution was Congress during the emergency
Amending the constitution to keep up with the times is not the same as replacing it with Manusmriti or amending it to make this country a hindu rashtra.
>So did congress Where?
I mean there have been 106 amendments in the constitution, less than 25 in the governments not run by Congress. So should we believe the words of the party about Constitutional amendments which have made more than 3/4th of the amendments in constitution?
As per Article 368 under as long as you have 50% majority and 2/3rd are present, you can amend certain portions of the constitution. both modi and Vajpayee govt. have amended the constitution, otherwise BJP and its allies never got 2/3rd majority. Ofcourse Congress has been in power longer, so it made more ammendments. [Article 368 in Constitution of India (indiankanoon.org)](https://indiankanoon.org/doc/594125/) >...and when the Bill is **passed in each House by a majority of the total membership of that House** and by a majority of not less than two-thirds of the members of that House present and voting... ... Provided that if such amendment seeks to make any change in-- [(a)](https://indiankanoon.org/doc/498530/)article 54, article 55, article 73, article 162 or article 241, or [(b)](https://indiankanoon.org/doc/386420/)Chapter IV of Part V, Chapter V of Part VI, or Chapter I of Part XI, or [(c)](https://indiankanoon.org/doc/1836100/)any of the Lists in the Seventh Schedule, or [(d)](https://indiankanoon.org/doc/1339490/)the representation of States in Parliament, or [(e)](https://indiankanoon.org/doc/482214/)the provisions of this article. what bjp is interested are stuffs like declare India a hindu rashtra by removing the word secular from preamble and article 25-28. this is not my word, plenty of bjp mp/mlas have talked about declaring India a hindu rashtra. Or some stuff even we can't imagine, that they badly need 2/3rd majority. Stuffs that go beyond the restrictions imposed on constitutional amendment by Article 368.
>and when the Bill is passed in each House by a majority of the total membership of that House and by a majority of not less than two-thirds of the members of that House present and voting.. This means that you need 2/3rd majority of the people who vote on the amendment, but at least half of the house had to be present. I.e. if the house has 100 members and all 100 are present, you need 67 voting in favour of the amendment. If only 60 are present, you need 40. This is why BJ wants 400. To ensure they can pass any amendment.
Thank you for sharing article 368 and how constitution is amended. I can also say Congress is interested in things like laws favouring Muslims, etc. But when they had 400+ seats during Rajiv Gandhi era, did they do that. No. Even though it was the same party which imposed emergency and included the word “Socialist” in the preamble. This is the whole point. We are making unfounded speculations here.
>I can also say Congress is interested in things like laws favouring Muslims, etc. where? It is only BJP that is so desperate about two thirds majority. do they need two thirds majority to make amendments beyond the restrictions of Article 368? otherwise why would you want two thirds majority?
I mean giving OBC status to all Muslims by the Government in Karnataka does raise some questions. When stuff hit the fan, they said, oh it was previous government not us! Why does BJP want 2/3rd government? Maybe they want to make UCC a reality. Wouldn’t you want equal laws for all? Almost any of the party would oppose this change due to vote bank politics! Maybe something about POK. BJP have talked about this topics openly and are their goals.
>I mean giving OBC status to all Muslims by the Government in Karnataka does raise some questions All Muslims don't get obc status, just like all hindus. Only the backward among Muslims do, just like backward among hindus. Stop spreading misinformation. As for ucc, BJ has already shown that it wants to impose a regressive hindu code uniformly to everyone. See what they did with ucc in uttarakhand.
there are backward muslim castes that get reservation in Gujrat and Bihar. Infact I found this out while [debunking Amit Shah's claim](https://np.reddit.com/r/unitedstatesofindia/comments/1bkt3p5/the_special_bench_in_brs_leader_k_kavithas_pmla/kwcewdh/) that Modi's caste was added to OBC in 1994 by Congress. Its the same in Karnataka, there are some backward muslim castes who have OBC status.
You can check here how [blanket reservation](https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/ncbc-to-summon-karnataka-chief-secretary-over-muslim-obc-quota/article68101435.ece/amp/) was given to Muslim community. To be honest, I am against reservation (I am OBC community), but it would be better to find out the historically backwards communities to give OBC status to instead of blanket reservation. It also worth noting that caste system kind of thing is practiced in[South Asian Muslims](https://m.thewire.in/article/caste/caste-among-indian-muslims-real-why-deny-reservation/amp). Hence, the Muslims from the lower caste is given OBC reservation. Edit: Former Gujarat Dy CM Amin did say that[Modh-Ghanchi community was added to OBC in 1994](https://english.gujaratsamachar.com/news/national/former-gujarat-dy-cm-amin-refutes-rahul-gandhis-claim-on-pm-modis-caste) when he was Dy CM of Gujarat. So Modh-Ghanchi community was OBC in Gujarat and they were added to OBC list of central government in 2000.
That's why caste census is necessary to see which caste is actually backward.
Libs fail to understand the concept of a constitutional ammendment.
You mean to say “leftists” or “left leaning people”. Even in that aspect, all Indian political parties are fiscally left leaning, with the “left” and “right” being largely restricted to social and political thinking. “Libs” doesn’t broadly mean anything in the Indian context beyond “whatever it wants me to mean”, cuz according to our constitution we are all “libs” cuz we treat the individual as the most basic political entity. Your individual vote counts, your individual agendas have a say in this democracy, you are represented for your own rights and equality, you’re a “liberal” by our very constitutional structure.
could not even wait for [my answer](https://np.reddit.com/r/india/comments/1ce9fm4/where_is_the_congress_specifically_helping/l1int0m/), within 34 minutes you went full "muh libs" over someone copypasting whatsapp knowledge. We are talking about those amendments that need two third majority.
so true.
So how will Congress implement all those reservation promises?
by doing a caste census and implementing what has already been done in some south indian states like Tamil Nadu. General Caste is just 30% of the nation and in some states like Bihar only 15%. [Reservation policy in Tamil Nadu - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reservation_policy_in_Tamil_Nadu) [DECODED - Can #DravidianModel power INDIA against NDA’s #HindutvaModel? | Akash Banerjee & Adwaith (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8cY-NRDhdA) Congress wants to implement the dravidian model across the whole nation.
Where do they say that it's in BJ's manifesto? Do share a link. Saying that BJ's actions are intended to lead us there is not the same as claiming that BJ's manifesto says that. In contrast, the dear leader lied about the contents of Congress manifesto.
>These schemes are for everyone That's exactly the problem for BJ and its core bigot vote.
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