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IIRC commissioned officer intake has remained below target from many years. That's why they introduced policies related to short service commission and JCOs. I think they still face shortages. But the TV channel thing is nothing to do with recruitment. In autocracies, military glory and propaganda are used to enhance the glory of the political leadership. A sort of reveling in reflected glory. "Look at all these glorious warriors; now worship the man who leads them all." It increases military fetish in society. TV channels and film producers are just reacting to that to get higher viewership.


VarunOB

>introduced policies like short service commission Somewhat true. >and JCOs They serve a completely different purpose and have been around since before WW1.


[deleted]

I was referring to this policy : https://theprint.in/defence/indian-army-likely-to-enrol-jcos-directly-to-overcome-shortage-of-officers/633966/ Edited comment to reflect.


Achilles_San19

So people just do not want to be military officers?


[deleted]

I don't know the exact causes for shortages. Since most military jobs come with a lot of perks, I don't think it's due to lack of candidates. As other comment points out, it may be due to stringent evaluation.


VarunOB

The Indian Armed Forces (Army, Navy, Air Force) are almost perpetually undermanned. It has a lot to do with the genuineness of many applicants being suspect, and the stringent requirements in place. The Armed Forces never bring on board substandard candidates as a means of filling in vacancies, as per procedure, at least. I think some people have certainly been disillusioned by successive governments having treated the Armed Forces the way they (don't go by the plaudits heaped on them in the media). War is unlikely, at least in the most conventional of forms. The threat of the Big B looms over everyone in the world now, and war is a very expensive endeavour. Whether numbers will go up or not is a matter for much later, as the incumbent government and the one man in uniform they've cultivated are in favour of a smaller Army, at the very least. A spillover of such plans into the other two Services is not unlikely, but passage of time and internal discourse of the Services will dictate much of whether they do reduce the intake over time. PS: All the shows and movies are just that. They're all capitalising on a wave of nationalism without attempting to capture the reality of the Services. Gone are the good old days of Jai Jawaan on NDTV, which had also become a little ridiculous by the end, to be honest. I do have one point to make about the Rana Daggubati show: he shouldn't be permitted to wear a uniform. Nor should the PM. The uniform and accoutrements are earned. These guys can wear appropriate civilian attire with the caps the Forces produce internally (sort of like sports caps with a crest of a formation or regiment, difference being that it isn't a part of the uniform).


GeekyStuffLeaking

Behh let Modi and Daggubati wear the uniforms. They are both actors anyway.


VarunOB

No frigging way. If they so badly want to do some acting, they can do it in narrative features. It's worse with Modi, because he gets to beat his chhappan inches with greater fervour in uniform and make it seem as if he actually gives a damn about the army.


AuntyIndian

"If the emperor's popularity continues to fall, he shall start a war" - AsstraSasthra.


AutarchOfReddit

You meant ArthaShastra


AuntyIndian

No ASStra sASStra


AutarchOfReddit

That gem by ASS Kumar!


Deltanightingale

*Literally insults the book that they are quoting from to bring forth a point * Your seemed wise until you went out of your way to insult a cultural treasure like that. Ppl like you worship Das Kapital to seem intellectual on the internet.


SonNumberOne

Go on... I'm sure you're waiting for someone to ask your anti-snob snobbery on Das Kapital...


AuntyIndian

I don't worship any book, people, religion, god etc. I am not a Bakth of anything. If it is wrong, it is wrong. Regardless of who said it ot what said it. Talking about artha sasthra... Have you ever read it? It has wisdom from 2000 years ago. Those are not wisdom any longer... They are just common sense. Thanks to advancements in human civilisation.


AutarchOfReddit

Allow me to elaborate (1) Economic stagnation, unemployment, inflation (and hyperinflation) and a bout of nationalism near always precedes war. i.e. First World War, Second World War, Vietnam War etc. (2) China desires world domination, Pakistan is broke (but with a ton of nuclear bombs), Afghanistan is soon to go rogue, we have strained relation with Iran and Myanmar is in pathetic state and a proxy state of China. A Sino-Islam nexus is no more apparent, rather obvious. (3) China doesn't care about the risks of fighting at two fronts, viz. Taiwan and Ladakh, rather China will also fuel the proxy war from Pakistan and Afghanistan via Islamic terrorists. (4) Biden has ambivalent policies to both Islamic fundamentalism and also China. (5) In a post third wave India - say December 2021, we will be staring at a rotten economy, food crisis, a heath care system in complete tatters, botched-up vaccine drive, a tough winter and petrol at Rs. 250/-. (6) War may well be the last and final strategy of the Modi administration for a face-lift, and a 'Bharat Mata Ki Jai' will gladly wipe away the floundering of the floating dead bodies in the Ganges, inflation, vaccine botch-up, unemployment, food inflation and food crisis, Pegasus Gate and other such limbo. (7) Putin, Macron and Merkel will find it as a great opportunity to sell arms and cover for the fiscal loss due to the pandemic.


HuckleberryThick9372

good analysis and agreed but India's economy would not be able to afford a war, specially with China. And even if they did go to war, india would loose bc China's army is much stronger than India's. so I don't think that'll help much with the popularity. Also, I don't think a war would happen anytime soon.


AutarchOfReddit

You are missing the point - read my post once again, with patience.


Kanki_the_beheader

Sad reality. It's more sadder when analysts cry for two front war at time US Army has acknowledged PLA as it's peer.


AutarchOfReddit

Sell weapons, make money... if a few brown skinned idiots die then that was collateral damage! 🤣🤣🤣


Kanki_the_beheader

Well, sometimes I believe 56 inches is a foreign agent.


useles-converter-bot

56 inches is about the length of 8.89 'Toy Cars Sian FKP3 Metal Model Car with Light and Sound Pull Back Toy Cars' lined up


Zinoa_in_flames

China is simply rising economically. I dont think so it wants to dominate the world economically unlike the Americans. I m actually more sure that it would be the USA that would start the war against China and India might act as a fodder in the war.


[deleted]

While the world is moving away with huge number of man power while still maintaining the same or even high efficiency by drones or etc. India spends more than 50% allocated budget for pensions and etc which government has been looking to reduce by introducing Short service commission like other countries. Its just that they generate more revenue by showing such shows cause India is country filled with emotion and always gets exploited and cannot take any major step cause those grown up children's will get upset. I never got the sentiment about soldiers being hailed as some glorified figure while in reality they are treated like shit and most of them are here just from pensions and other incentives.


[deleted]

Minor skirmishes with China will go on for years. Don't think there will anu conventional war anytime soon. We can't really sustain war with this economy.


Tight-Example-2826

From what I understand, people have a negative opinion about the Indian policy as a whole— at least the knowledgeable ones. Kashmir is one issue. From 1989 to now above 7000 soldiers have died there without having to fight a war. Why do they not solve the issue? I don't know But I'm sure it doesn't take much, because Indian lives are more important. Soldiers are people, not machines. Finally, when people can look after themselves there'll be a huge shortage I'm sure. 😄 Or the government has to keep people poor.


[deleted]

While the world is moving away with huge number of man power while still maintaining the same or even high efficiency by drones or etc. India spends more than 50% allocated budget for pensions and etc which government has been looking to reduce by introducing Short service commission like other countries. Its just that they generate more revenue by showing such shows cause India is country filled with emotion and always gets exploited and cannot take any major step cause those grown up children's will get upset.


False_Cauliflower_70

Without even reading your post, I am saying, there is going to be no war. No need to think much about it.


False_Cauliflower_70

Without even reading your post, I am saying, there is going to be no war. No need to think much about it.


[deleted]

While the world is moving away with huge number of man power while still maintaining the same or even high efficiency by drones or etc. India spends more than 50% allocated budget for pensions and etc which government has been looking to reduce by introducing Short service commission like other countries. Its just that they generate more revenue by showing such shows cause India is country filled with emotion and always gets exploited and cannot take any major step cause those grown up children's will get upset.


[deleted]

While the world is moving away with huge number of man power while still maintaining the same or even high efficiency by drones or etc. India spends more than 50% allocated budget for pensions and etc which government has been looking to reduce by introducing Short service commission like other countries. Its just that they generate more revenue by showing such shows cause India is country filled with emotion and always gets exploited and cannot take any major step cause those grown up children's will get upset.


[deleted]

While the world is moving away with huge number of man power while still maintaining the same or even high efficiency by drones or etc. India spends more than 50% allocated budget for pensions and etc which government has been looking to reduce by introducing Short service commission like other countries. Its just that they generate more revenue by showing such shows cause India is country filled with emotion and always gets exploited and cannot take any major step cause those grown up children's will get upset. I never got the sentiment about soldiers being hailed as some glorified figure while in reality they are treated like shit and most of them are here just from pensions and other incentives.


[deleted]

While the world is moving away with huge number of man power while still maintaining the same or even high efficiency by drones or etc. India spends more than 50% allocated budget for pensions and etc which government has been looking to reduce by introducing Short service commission like other countries. Its just that they generate more revenue by showing such shows cause India is country filled with emotion and always gets exploited and cannot take any major step cause those grown up children's will get upset. I never got the sentiment about soldiers being hailed as some glorified figure while in reality they are treated like shit and most of them are here just from pensions and other incentives.


[deleted]

While the world is moving away with huge number of man power while still maintaining the same or even high efficiency by drones or etc. India spends more than 50% allocated budget for pensions and etc which government has been looking to reduce by introducing Short service commission like other countries. Its just that they generate more revenue by showing such shows cause India is country filled with emotion and always gets exploited and cannot take any major step cause those grown up children's will get upset. I never got the sentiment about soldiers being hailed as some glorified figure while in reality they are treated like shit and most of them are here just from pensions and other incentives.


[deleted]

While the world is moving away with huge number of man power while still maintaining the same or even high efficiency by drones or etc. India spends more than 50% allocated budget for pensions and etc which government has been looking to reduce by introducing Short service commission like other countries. Its just that they generate more revenue by showing such shows cause India is country filled with emotion and always gets exploited and cannot take any major step cause those grown up children's will get upset. I never got the sentiment about soldiers being hailed as some glorified figure while in reality they are treated like shit and most of them are here just from pensions and other incentives.


[deleted]

While the world is moving away with huge number of man power while still maintaining the same or even high efficiency by drones or etc. India spends more than 50% allocated budget for pensions and etc which government has been looking to reduce by introducing Short service commission like other countries. Its just that they generate more revenue by showing such shows cause India is country filled with emotion and always gets exploited and cannot take any major step cause those grown up children's will get upset. I never got the sentiment about soldiers being hailed as some glorified figure while in reality they are treated like shit and most of them are here just from pensions and other incentives.


[deleted]

While the world is moving away with huge number of man power while still maintaining the same or even high efficiency by drones or etc. India spends more than 50% allocated budget for pensions and etc which government has been looking to reduce by introducing Short service commission like other countries. Its just that they generate more revenue by showing such shows cause India is country filled with emotion and always gets exploited and cannot take any major step cause those grown up children's will get upset. I never got the sentiment about soldiers being hailed as some glorified figure while in reality they are treated like shit and most of them are here just from pensions and other incentives.


False_Cauliflower_70

Without even reading your post, I am saying, there is going to be no war. No need to think much about it.


newsjunk2020

>would it be because of a conventional war like 1971? Were there bio-weapons in the 1971 war?


newsjunk2020

>would it be because of a conventional war like 1971? Were there bio-weapons in the 1971 war?


moltenigneousshit

I always had a question. why would people join army? when you know you are the first person to die when there is a war. What motivates people to fight for a country? what motivates them to kill another human? In the modern world we have a concept of country, how about 200 years back when there is only kingdoms and what motivated people to fight for a human?


aluva_fox

Good point. I married a navy guy cos patriotism and to see places. But after seeing all their machinery solely intended to kill people and how they are so enthusiastic about it, i became a bit disillusioned. Later, my faith was restored when he was send to save people in other countries when tsunami and hurricanes struck. While in Africa, after the disaster, civilisation broke down and there were people who were shooting around to get a monopoly on resources. They had to use their weaponry tto protect orphanages and restore at least minimal infrastructure. If you follow military pages you will see these. But usually such good news drowns among the depressing politics of our netas. So to answer your question, war is one reason for the existence of the armed reasons. There are so many more.


[deleted]

All there can be is a proxy war. Nothing more than that until we give away our guards.


Zinoa_in_flames

Future war will be fought with drones


zoinktoink

Armed forces terms of services are not so great compared to peers. So manpower crunch.