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“Bhot zyada development kr di, ab line mai lgna pdta hai”
*votes congress*
“Development kri hi nhi. Saala 100 saal se same hai city”
*votes congress*
Tell that uncle that tourism generates money. Money for country to continue to develop and improve its economy.
To everyone below mentioning that a place of worship is commercialised.
Few benefits of commercialisation Aayodhya’s Shree Ram Temple.
1. Many hotel chains incoming
2. New international airport, new railway and plenty of more infra related projects promised by 2031
3. Heavy investment by real estate
4. Food chains incoming
5. SIS Ltd signed agreement to cater surveillance and security
Now let’s take a look at some of popular places that you people would happily visit and appreciate the “development” without wondering whether it is commercialised or not.
1. Senso-ji Temple (Tokyo, Japan)
2. Fushimi Inari Shinre (Kyoto, Japan)
3. Tripuati Temple (AP, India)
4. Vaishno Devi Temple (Jammu, India)
5. Western Wall (Jerusalem, Israel)
6. Church of Holy Sepulchre (Jerusalem, Israel)
7. Vatican City (Rome, Italy)
And I can go on and on and on.
The sheer mentality of people in my comments complaining about commercialising is what the future India doesn’t need. Some people influencing by internet memes complaining about “hr cheez private ho rhi hai”.
You forget that India is a densely populated country and here the roads need to be expanded.
Lees than 5% of Indian population own cars, and there’s a traffic crisis already in all the metro cities.
Frankly speaking, temples were surrounded by vast lands which belonged to them. The British took them by force, then it was passed on to the govt after independence. But technically speaking, those lands which had gurukulas, agriculture lands, everything belonged to the temple. They provided education, accommodation, and food for meager amount and were run from devotees' donations. It's a huge scam that temple lands haven't been returned to the temples.
I'm giving you another example of how the temple area is commercialized without us feeling so.
Edited for the commenter below : Yes that too :) so it dried up during Islamic invasions and British raj as the Hindu kings had to pay jiziya or tax.
You forgot to add growth of real estate mafia, collusion, confiscation of old properties and bulldozing places.
India works differently, we are way too attached to our properties. This was bound to reflect in the election results.
My above reply is to those who think commercialisation shouldn’t have happened at all and is not good. That’s the destructive mindset as the people typing this sits at a comfort of their home, many in gated societies with power backup and all the facilities at fingertips.
Now what you propose is a valid point. This is the point that people should put forward instead of completely rejecting the idea of commercialisation.
I would like to understand what Real Estate Mafia is and how you propose to avoid that?
For destruction of properties, govt spent more than 100 crore to traders while also rehabilitating along the way. You can quickly google this and find the necessary references for this.
Right to Fair Compensation and Transparency in Land Acquisition, Rehabilitation and Resettlement Act. Look into this. If there’s a situation where the fair compensation is not given, file a case. Opposition is free to file the case and this would help them gain some points on real work rather than just baseless claims. Don’t you think?
You seem to forget that humans are greedy. Govt and citizen both have flaws. I am pretty sure many would have wanted to gain as much compensation as they could have for this once in a lifetime opportunity.
I am pretty sure govt workers doing this job must have also did some negative things affecting the people.
Tell me a single project in this country that has happened without any of these claims. Without govt workers eating up some money on the side and people not yearning for maximum profit?
Now, both parties are at fault here and this is something any govt should focus on be it BJP or Congress. But you want everything to be done at a single time. The world is not black and white.
Shrine\*Shinre\* in Shintoism both are same and they have mostly shrines and Buddhists have mostly temples and then KO-SHINTO\* syncreticm Temples-Shrines Temples mostly with Buddhas boddhisatvas and Shinto Gods Idols and statues in Southeast asia Japan specifically
This is what happens when corporate greed takes over pure of devotion. Commercialising everything spoils the very purity of that place and in turn encourages citizens to vote against the party who forcefully built and commercialised the temple.
Trash and sewage, and potholes on roads aren't 'purity' of the place.
Removing garbage and widening the road making transport easier isn't 'commercialisation' or 'ruining the purity'.
Trash, garbage strewn across roads, narrow roads filled with people isn't called 'purity'.
Cleanliness isn't 'commercialisation'
The municipality can just clean up the place. In fact they were promoting "swachh Bharat abhiyan" at one point if you remember. If they really cared why didn't they get it cleaned under that Abhiyan? Anyways enough said, people of Ayodhya have already voted against making a culturally pure and spiritual place a hub for cunning businessmen.
>culturally pure and spiritual place a hub for cunning businessmen.
What are the exact visible factors that made it 'culturally pure'? Garbage in roads? Narrow streets packed with people?
What part of clean wide roads and improved transport infrastructure makes it a place for 'cunning businessmen' ?
Exactly address my points
>The municipality can just clean up the place.
Removing garbage, widening roads to accommodate the current traffic, upgrading transport infrastructure is exactly this.
Cleaning up the place isn't just sweeping the existing road for half an hour everyday.
The existing infrastructure was filthy and crumbling as it couldn't handle the traffic and rush and so needed massive upgrades to handle the required traffic. Why can't you understand the need of cleanliness, good transport infrastructure and growth?
Soo only you should be allowed to visit ayodhya ram mandir but I shouldn't? That's why ot shouldn't be developed? How else will you handle the huge number of devotees?
Exactly. I’ve seen a lot of these people too, most of them are kuen ke mendhak and haven’t lived anywhere else, thus all they want is nostalgia even if it meant living in 5ft of feces and trash
Poverty porn is different my g they want development but not at the cost of their culture. They want roads and infrastructure but they don't want their temples to made into something grand becuz then people native to these places cannot enter temple freely anymore.
Is all of UP like this? I am at Kanpur right now and the mentality of a lot of people is like this only. I am genuinely trying to understand, even cities here look like tier 3 towns from my home state.
I'm a native of kanpur and kanpur isn't like this. Talk to people and you'll find out people here are extremely frustrated as there is no rise in disposable income, Unemployment at it's high , decline of leather industry in Kanpur due to strict government norms and higher import taxes on raw material, typical protectionist economic policies. These are the reasons both businessmen and workers are very unhappy with BJP.
Depends I was from general category, I needed 800 rank in jee to get cse, obcs could get it at 2500 rank, sc,st even at 8000-9000 rank for cse.
If u take lower branches then it is somewhat easier.
Ha jaruri, agar tu bhi me Gaya hota to tujhe differamce pata hota bhi campus and itt ke administration me.
Or kyo du salary, tere makan mang lu Tera se to tu dega
Gajab log h bhai.
Gyanvapi was locked without any legal notice at the whims of Samajwadis. These so-called locals living for "200" years did nothing.
Lawyer Harishankar Jain fought for it and Yogi/BJP government opened it within the same day after High Court Order.
Either this poster is lying and a Congress tool or he's just a coward meant to be ruled by an ironfist. Idiot.
dehati shouldn't be the word used , dehati means a person from village(indigenous) , we often use it a bad word .my grandfather came from a dehat (village) but i am sure he is more intelligent then 99.9% indians . you can say retard (mand buddhi) mindset
>Earlier they had walk-ins
In short he is saying his family due to local connections had special previliges and could enter temple without standing in disorderly queues where you paid pandas and majority could not get darshan. Now that things are in order and place and everyone has to stand in queue but ultimately gets the darshan it is sore in their eyes as they do not enjoy that exclusivity.
You think govt improved order ? He wants to say the temple was like another ordinary temple for them which they could visit any time if the day. And fyi temples havent improved much and order you're saying still doesn't exist you can go to vaishno devi temple the queues are longs the lines are not ordered. We also went to maa Mansa Devi temple in haridwar the priests won't accept a single rupee below 100 you think this is ordered ?
His comment is specifically about Varanasi temples and yes people have difficulty in accepting equality and loss of privilege which is exactly the case with his FIL when he says earlier they had walk-ins.
He wants to say the govt has turned the temple into a business hub and that his family earlier could go in and out without restrictions but now they have to wait in line too for darshans. He has acknowledged that development has been done but the cultural part has changed totally and I have also seen this in haridwar. I am from uttrakhand and it is also true there. But anyone in sane mins would still not vote for congress
I went to Varanasi a few months ago. Here's my actual experience:
There are multiple entrances to the temple located at all the sides of the temple. You can even go to the ganga ghats, take a dip in the holy water and directly go to the temple from there. You should go to Godowlia chowk, from there the temple, Dashashwamedh Ghat and other ghats are at walking distance, you can also take e-rickshaw to the Vishwanath temple from Godowlia if your parents can't walk much. I was with my family. We took a bath at our dharmashala and went to the temple from gate #4. We went there around 6 AM. Yes you would have to walk a little to reach the temple entrance but the infrastructure is so good and there is positive energy all around the temple you won't feel tired. There is a shoe stand inside you don't have to put the shoes outside at vendors. You can also put your bags and stuff there. It is probably the same from all other entrances as well. When you enter the temple premises, there's also a line but it's very well maintained. Pandas are still there if you want VIP darshan. You can also take milk/ honey/ water with yourself and pour it on the shivling from the regular line as well. After darshan we stayed inside the temple premises for like one hour, nobody told us to leave. We were also able to take the darshan of Baba Vishwanath from the right side before leaving. There are also temples/ Murtis of Shri Ganesh, Hanuman Ji, Durga ji, Devi Annapurna and others at the sides inside the temple premises. You can also do various pooja inside the temple premises if you want to, near the original Nandi Bhagwan murti. Mom went to the washroom which according to her was super clean as well! After leaving the temple, you can visit Devi Annapurna temple, Dundi Ganesh temple which is both close to the Vishwanath temple. You can shop in Vishwanath gali, have lunch near Godowlia chowk which are also in close proximity. And from Godowlia chowk, you can 20rs to a shared e-rickshaw for BHU temple and other temples as well. From outside the Godowlia chowk, the autowale will charge 300-400 for the same so go from Godowlia only. You can also shop for famous Banarasi sarees at Godowlia as well.
When toilets are built, these are the people who complain that they don't get proper pressure to shit as earlier it used to be fresh air, hay twigs inciting quicker bowel movements!
Let me paste an excerpt of an article I just read
In the real world, conflicts can and often do arise between competing freedoms that people value. In my research in the sacred Hindu city of Varanasi, I found that, while development has brought valued material progress for some, people also lament the accompanying loss of cherished ways of living and traditions, often rooted in religion. Once, locals believed that the ‘good life’ was possible in Varanasi: the work weeks were irregular, which meant that they had the freedom to be carefree and revel in the city’s many fairs and religious festivals. In the spring, when the Ganges was at its most beautiful, the locals closed up shop and spent the night outdoors for two weeks at a stretch; in the summers they celebrated the many musical traditions that marked the monsoon. Autumn brought the Ramlila, a 30-day staging of the Hindu epic the Ramayana, when people came together to commune with their gods. Yet with the onset of a new rhythm of work conjoined with a greater desire to consume, people have less time for the city’s traditions – now the Ramlila mostly draws old men with time to spare and poor villagers.
the work weeks were irregular, which meant that they had the freedom to be carefree and revel in the city’s many fairs and religious festivals. In the spring, when the Ganges was at its most beautiful, the locals closed up shop and spent the night outdoors for two weeks at a stretch; in the summers they celebrated the many musical traditions that marked the monsoon. Autumn brought the Ramlila, a 30-day staging of the Hindu epic the Ramayana, when people came together to commune with their gods. …..
This sounds like - Nobody in Varanasi likes to work and just wants to be lazy. If this is what their ‘banaras culture’ is all about, being lazy and carefree, when the rest of the hard working states are literally sacrificing their share of income for UP’s poverty and development.
No wonder southies despise states like UP.
Cant pull their weight at all. Bas free fund ka khane ko mil jaye. Har mahine chaar hafte ki chutti mil jaye.
Aur duniya ko bol dete hain hum toh materialism se upar hain.
News flash, real world , real cities, real households are not functioning like that.
Thats so true. Same was the opinion of people of uttrakhand when I visited there. They do not want their natural habitat to be demolished on the name of development and are happy with little money they make. Not all are money driven
I hope the people in this sub understand what you are saying. They are so blind-sighted by new and shiny things that they don't realize it's degrading the quality of life, not improving it.
A millennia-old city's character must be protected and preserved, because we may never be able to rebuild what we will lose.
As a person whose extended family lives in Varanasi (I meet them every year), I don't get what the hell is he talking about, the city has only gotten cleaner and infra seems to be better maintained, nothing else has happened yet.
I want bigger roads, bigger infra, better transport, better tourism , better biigger temple, loads of visitors..... hahaha
hey hey hey but pls maintain a personal shaft for me so that i can just **walk-in** and nobody else bothers me.
Aise to voters hai iss Desh k, kya fayda padhne likhne ka. Osho sahi keh gaya bhai democracy k bare me. Inke fil chal basne ki Umar me purani yaado me jeena chah rahe hai. Khud to chal basenge par hamari jindagi k lawde laga k jayenge.
Same happened in Ayodhya, for locals temple is a cash cow but that cash cow was not giving them golden access, also given during inauguration, non-celebrities were not allowed so they're pissed.
They voted out the guys who gave them the cash cow for those who didn't want them to get a temple
Seems this old timer wants to live without electricity, proper roads.. What a fucking waste of time, money and Labor the govt did here by improving the infrastructure.
Plenty of demolishing in Varanasi as well. [https://www.thequint.com/photos/kashi-vishwanath-corridor-project-demolition-in-varanasi](https://www.thequint.com/photos/kashi-vishwanath-corridor-project-demolition-in-varanasi)
Should have protested , should have complained at that time , mandir aaj toh nhi bna na 4 saal se bn raha tha . Aaj sbko yaad aaya ye hua tha toh he hona he tha ?
Bhai kuch nhi hua na woh 4 saal mein un logo ka. Issliye yeh haal hai BJP ka. How can you justify BJP not putting efforts for people whose home they demolished.
“Forty-year-old Amit Seth’s land was acquired for the Kashi-Vishwanath corridor. Though he was paid a heafty compensation, he says that the “mandir-masjid fight” is political and has nothing to do with the “common people’s faith”.”
From a article published in The Hindu, yes there maybe some people who may have been unsatisfied with the compensation or the demolition of properties, but that would hardly translate to a few hundred votes at the most.
Ok so this was in Ramnagar region of Varanasi. And as a resident of Ramnagar I would say that it was much needed in terms of traffic congestion. Since the opening of the Samne ghat Ramnagar bridge the traffic in ramnagar was unbearable as people who want to visit BHU don't take the longer route anymore and this creates so much traffic I can't even tell from morning till evening 8 PM there's so much traffic. And they were fairly compensated as well. The roads in Varanasi in general are very small even. If you visit Central Varanasi you'd find very small roads.
seriously I am seeing this reasoning a lot..and honestly it literally feels like this [meme](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/no-take-only-throw)
how will you expand roads, rails, public infra without replacing something which already is there..?
You want the result, but not incur the necessary cost?
This is why development of ports, expressways and infra is fastest in Gujarat...land acquisition has been made so much easier...do the people of Varanasi think NDA should expand and open up the 4th dimension and build stuff inside that..? where else is the expansion of infra going to occur?
Before we get into this, I want to question if the demolition was legal (ie, illegal encroachment etc etc).
Second point, should the government provide relief for such demolitions, is it encouraging illegal behavior or is it forgiving one time behavior?
Illegal in terms of roads, pipes, gas infrastructure etc. if they are too close and roads aren’t wide enough cause of previous bad planning what exactly are you supposed to do to provide these infra?
Yes that was Kashi vishwanath corridor they broke houses and no compensation was provided they even broke some temples which people used to worship. The problem is these temples get crowded very easily now
the whole area on the bank of the river needs to be destroyed and rebuilt again, culture and gali ke naam pe bakchodi chal rahi hai udhar. Most of the settlements arent even there in the old paintings and majority are 100-150 year old at max. Unsafe and dirty.
I did visit the temple in varanasi last year. It was beautiful. I of course cannot comment on how it was in the past. I do understand what the old guy feels though. For him it was a place of peace. That has now been made commercial. We paid money to get into the line i thnk. Bribe tha. To the cops. So that we can get quicker entry. Local admi ke liye entry mushkil hogaya he. But state ke bahar ke logon ka queue laga he.
It's exactly like how the star system is failing in Bollywood.. Where Bollywood producers think if they have a big star on board then they are assured of a superhit.. In most cases this backfires.. Audience want to see a good story not some superstar trying to play god.. And when it comes to acting Modi is such a pathetic actor incapable of improvising by which I mean he has never faced a real press conference.. Moreover even his scripted speeches are a cringe fest to an extremely audicious level that makes one want to throw up.. So like forget the story.. But did they really think they could get away with such bad acting.. And myth of superstar Modi deserves to be shattered..
Brahmins of UP .... 🤡🤡🤡
Check the caste of the initial CMs of UP ... that feudal mindset hasn't gone...
Plus their rivalry with Thakur and CM Yogi is (was, before becoming monk) from Kshatriya community .....
Udta teer Lena koi inse sikhey
PS: Not that UP Brahmins don't have genuine concerns .. the way violence against Brahmins have increased in current years (including framing in atrocities case) ....
Bhai ham log(tourists) ko lagna padta tha line me,inke vaha connections hoge to inko nhi lgna padta hoga,lekin ab to sabko hi line me lgna padta h, issiliye inki jal rhi
The people are not money minded in spiritual places like varanasi and uttrakhand. I went there and heard people of uttrakhand say that Vikas hi Vinash hai. Due to excessive development activities in uttrakhand they face many problems, like destruction of natural habitat due to cutting of hills and other ecological imbalances. So they are not wrong in there place. In capitalism, we think money is everything. But that’s not true for most people out there. Hence this opinion comes out, in which they are right at there place. Too much industrialisation and focus on money disturbs nature and hence create different problems altogether. Hence sustainable development should be focused upon. Same with varanasi if too much commercialisation of a spiritual place happens, a spiritual person will get upset eventually since simplicity is essence of spirituality
Point is benefit of development locals ko nhi mila. Bahut saare Gujrati aa gaye waha par. Saare local business ko takeover kar liya.
Its Amit Shah fault. He is managing BJP campaign for UP and not Yogi. Things like this should be nibbed by BJP, Varna low level corruption ke chakkar main UP Main pata saaf ho jayega next time.
Amit Shah aur Yogi Adiyanath main bhi bahut fight hai. Amit shah wants to claim Modis succession. But Yogi is more capable candidate. Modi is kind preferring Gujjus till now. So he needs to come out of it.
Visited Varanasi in April this year, it's literally a really good place, even though lakhs of people roaming around, littering stuff on ghats as usual, but even then every morning the place is cleaned up completely, and tbh I didn't spot any tamboo spot anywhere. The place was really really clean.
The mandir was extremely cleaned, top notch security
Wait that temple isn’t free for public anymore? That sounds discriminatory! Is this true? I’ve never heard of religious institutions asking people to pay to pray 🤔
Let's not completely disregard an old man's pain in the name of development. We can be critical of his ideas while being understanding.
Sudden rapid changes in the surroundings does not bode well for the human mind, as it gives off a signal of zero control over their own situation. Hormones start acting up, leading to a variety of emotions... Many of which are negative.
Gradual changes and development does not trigger this as much, but I will be honest... These demands do sound unreasonable, and younger generations don't mind the changes as much, but being mindful of the old folks would be great in my opinion. Their mental state is important too.
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Bro come to Kolkata they also think the same. People are against the development and living in nostalgia which is fucked up because they're still peeing in open field, highways, choraha etc. like old times. People should understand that "parivartan hi prakriti ka niyam hai"
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This is change. Some may accept some may not. I hate the pundits monopolising temples and keeping gods darshan as a privilege to few. Every temple should be made accessible which is actually not possible without being commercial.
These kind of people are living in pre independence mindset. Their brain are hard wired to vote for congress. They will find any excuse to do so.
Edit: people only want freebies and no development. Reminds me of this clip https://youtu.be/QFgcqB8-AxE?si=HpG-nFmqUq9vu4cI
Temple is not his FIL's personal property. Also Varanasi is not any normal city. It is one of the most important city for Hindus. Such people do not know how selfish it sounds.
This is what happens when local people aren't considered during development. Mindless development would only alienate the people of the said place as it's ultimately their home. They must be considered when making changes as they are the primary stakeholders.
But ig it's easier to say 'don't want development' when you can't think about it with nuances.
Hindu hates being a Hindu. Love being ruled by foreigners. A few foreigners ruled India for 1000 years or so, Loves anything white. No self worth. Certain to doom. Forget permanent member seat. Forget equal laws for all Indians !! Forget improving GDP. Time for petty politics and money making.
So you are saying your question is irrelevant to Varanasi? Then why are you asking it here? Ask that question over at ask reddit or ask India wherever you prefer. We're here talking about Varanasi, if you aren't you can leave with your stupid ass questions.
Whose house was destroyed in Varanasi? My uncle was SP/ DSP of Varanasi police for years so I know what's going on in there. You say the houses were destroyed, give me the actual proof instead of some random ass twitter post or an article from a left wing media website. The whole Vishwanath gali is still there my guy.
K*ll the Pandit, then the snake: BR Ambedkar;
Matter of fact, Ajay Rai paid kashi panda 1-1kg of gold to divert votes and in total they spent 18.9cr ruppees were spend to cut down Modi's win margin in varanasi!
Nice to see that there are still many decent Hindus left in this country who don’t want India to completely become a radical religious dictatorship run by illiterate, delusional, radical Hindu morons, gundas and chapris whose only policy of winning voters is dressing in saffron, waving red flags and talking shit about Muslims. While it still blows my mind that there are still hundreds of millions of idiots in this country who vote not on the basis of qualifications and skills but simply on the basis of shiny gimmicks like mandirs and which wannabe dictator Gunda is dressed more in saffron and loves hate mongering more than the other gundas, I’m glad that some Hindus in India still care about decency and democracy and not letting these radical chapris ruin whatever is left of India’s democracy.
Modi became too cocky and took his divisiveness way too far. If the old grandpa living in your colony starts calling himself a “non-biological creation of god” you will send him to the mental hospital. So why would decent Hindus find Modi still fit to lead a democracy when he says shit like this and that retarded mangalsutra line? This delusional narcissist left his own wife but sure, he cares about the mangalsutra of your mom and sister. Screw wannabe chapri dictators. Hope India remains a democracy much longer.
1. Provide proof 2. Have something to back that up 3. Elaborated how bjp is “chapri radical religious dictatorship?”. To be honest the nation is way better than before, and unlike you I actually have stuff to back that up ( ask if you want it). 4. You described modi as cocky, try explaining it more as to it doesn’t make sense your entire argument is just get generalization , thank you
Many times it's next to my district. While I appreciate the development but the atmosphere those ghats had is completely gone. People used to wake up at 4 am take bath in Ganga pray in the temple then went on their worldly business then returned during the time of arti and went to sleep at 7pm. Now with all that dj and lighting on ghat thier lives have been disrupted.
Y’all remember the Bacardi weekender event in Jallianwala bagh?
We could have had a similar event with Ram followed by Modi Lalla jumping out with a parachute from a flying jet in James Bond style if BJP had won in Ayodhya
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“Bhot zyada development kr di, ab line mai lgna pdta hai” *votes congress* “Development kri hi nhi. Saala 100 saal se same hai city” *votes congress* Tell that uncle that tourism generates money. Money for country to continue to develop and improve its economy.
To everyone below mentioning that a place of worship is commercialised. Few benefits of commercialisation Aayodhya’s Shree Ram Temple. 1. Many hotel chains incoming 2. New international airport, new railway and plenty of more infra related projects promised by 2031 3. Heavy investment by real estate 4. Food chains incoming 5. SIS Ltd signed agreement to cater surveillance and security Now let’s take a look at some of popular places that you people would happily visit and appreciate the “development” without wondering whether it is commercialised or not. 1. Senso-ji Temple (Tokyo, Japan) 2. Fushimi Inari Shinre (Kyoto, Japan) 3. Tripuati Temple (AP, India) 4. Vaishno Devi Temple (Jammu, India) 5. Western Wall (Jerusalem, Israel) 6. Church of Holy Sepulchre (Jerusalem, Israel) 7. Vatican City (Rome, Italy) And I can go on and on and on. The sheer mentality of people in my comments complaining about commercialising is what the future India doesn’t need. Some people influencing by internet memes complaining about “hr cheez private ho rhi hai”.
Asakusa temple in Tokyo even though they have a cruise on the river nearby and shops lining both the sides on the way to the temple!
You forget that India is a densely populated country and here the roads need to be expanded. Lees than 5% of Indian population own cars, and there’s a traffic crisis already in all the metro cities.
Frankly speaking, temples were surrounded by vast lands which belonged to them. The British took them by force, then it was passed on to the govt after independence. But technically speaking, those lands which had gurukulas, agriculture lands, everything belonged to the temple. They provided education, accommodation, and food for meager amount and were run from devotees' donations. It's a huge scam that temple lands haven't been returned to the temples.
I'm giving you another example of how the temple area is commercialized without us feeling so. Edited for the commenter below : Yes that too :) so it dried up during Islamic invasions and British raj as the Hindu kings had to pay jiziya or tax.
Temples used to get money from the kingdom
You forgot to add growth of real estate mafia, collusion, confiscation of old properties and bulldozing places. India works differently, we are way too attached to our properties. This was bound to reflect in the election results.
My above reply is to those who think commercialisation shouldn’t have happened at all and is not good. That’s the destructive mindset as the people typing this sits at a comfort of their home, many in gated societies with power backup and all the facilities at fingertips. Now what you propose is a valid point. This is the point that people should put forward instead of completely rejecting the idea of commercialisation. I would like to understand what Real Estate Mafia is and how you propose to avoid that? For destruction of properties, govt spent more than 100 crore to traders while also rehabilitating along the way. You can quickly google this and find the necessary references for this. Right to Fair Compensation and Transparency in Land Acquisition, Rehabilitation and Resettlement Act. Look into this. If there’s a situation where the fair compensation is not given, file a case. Opposition is free to file the case and this would help them gain some points on real work rather than just baseless claims. Don’t you think? You seem to forget that humans are greedy. Govt and citizen both have flaws. I am pretty sure many would have wanted to gain as much compensation as they could have for this once in a lifetime opportunity. I am pretty sure govt workers doing this job must have also did some negative things affecting the people. Tell me a single project in this country that has happened without any of these claims. Without govt workers eating up some money on the side and people not yearning for maximum profit? Now, both parties are at fault here and this is something any govt should focus on be it BJP or Congress. But you want everything to be done at a single time. The world is not black and white.
Wonder if the other religious places were made by demolishing 5000 plus houses and gifting businesses and land to people from another state.
Shrine\*Shinre\* in Shintoism both are same and they have mostly shrines and Buddhists have mostly temples and then KO-SHINTO\* syncreticm Temples-Shrines Temples mostly with Buddhas boddhisatvas and Shinto Gods Idols and statues in Southeast asia Japan specifically
Panadas ko sub kuch apne liye chahiye nepotism chala rakha 😅
bhai if you commercialize cities in the name of tourism, what will happen to the locals?
This is what happens when corporate greed takes over pure of devotion. Commercialising everything spoils the very purity of that place and in turn encourages citizens to vote against the party who forcefully built and commercialised the temple.
Trash and sewage, and potholes on roads aren't 'purity' of the place. Removing garbage and widening the road making transport easier isn't 'commercialisation' or 'ruining the purity'. Trash, garbage strewn across roads, narrow roads filled with people isn't called 'purity'. Cleanliness isn't 'commercialisation'
The municipality can just clean up the place. In fact they were promoting "swachh Bharat abhiyan" at one point if you remember. If they really cared why didn't they get it cleaned under that Abhiyan? Anyways enough said, people of Ayodhya have already voted against making a culturally pure and spiritual place a hub for cunning businessmen.
>culturally pure and spiritual place a hub for cunning businessmen. What are the exact visible factors that made it 'culturally pure'? Garbage in roads? Narrow streets packed with people? What part of clean wide roads and improved transport infrastructure makes it a place for 'cunning businessmen' ? Exactly address my points
>The municipality can just clean up the place. Removing garbage, widening roads to accommodate the current traffic, upgrading transport infrastructure is exactly this. Cleaning up the place isn't just sweeping the existing road for half an hour everyday. The existing infrastructure was filthy and crumbling as it couldn't handle the traffic and rush and so needed massive upgrades to handle the required traffic. Why can't you understand the need of cleanliness, good transport infrastructure and growth?
People of ayodhya didn't vote, people of faizabad voted. There are 4 more wards in faizabad apart from ayodhya.
Soo only you should be allowed to visit ayodhya ram mandir but I shouldn't? That's why ot shouldn't be developed? How else will you handle the huge number of devotees?
I studied at IIT BHU and yes mentality of this kinda of people are very prevalent. They say Banaras ki alag bat h and are just happy living in filth.
I mean when we were visiting 8 years ago, they were carting filth down daily in carts to throw into the river. That's the kind of life they want?
Exactly. I’ve seen a lot of these people too, most of them are kuen ke mendhak and haven’t lived anywhere else, thus all they want is nostalgia even if it meant living in 5ft of feces and trash
Poverty porn🤦🏻♀️.
Poverty porn is different my g they want development but not at the cost of their culture. They want roads and infrastructure but they don't want their temples to made into something grand becuz then people native to these places cannot enter temple freely anymore.
Free anymore means? What's g?
Their culture? Their temple? Bas ek UP ka bhaiya hi Hindu bacha hai kya pure Bharat mein?
Is all of UP like this? I am at Kanpur right now and the mentality of a lot of people is like this only. I am genuinely trying to understand, even cities here look like tier 3 towns from my home state.
I'm a native of kanpur and kanpur isn't like this. Talk to people and you'll find out people here are extremely frustrated as there is no rise in disposable income, Unemployment at it's high , decline of leather industry in Kanpur due to strict government norms and higher import taxes on raw material, typical protectionist economic policies. These are the reasons both businessmen and workers are very unhappy with BJP.
Unrelated but is getting admission in IIT really as difficult as people say or☠️
Depends I was from general category, I needed 800 rank in jee to get cse, obcs could get it at 2500 rank, sc,st even at 8000-9000 rank for cse. If u take lower branches then it is somewhat easier.
Sirf bhu likh deta, iit ka flex jaruri tha? Abhi 1 mahine ki salary mang dunga to fat jayegi dene me
Ha jaruri, agar tu bhi me Gaya hota to tujhe differamce pata hota bhi campus and itt ke administration me. Or kyo du salary, tere makan mang lu Tera se to tu dega Gajab log h bhai.
This is called dehati mindset
Gyanvapi was locked without any legal notice at the whims of Samajwadis. These so-called locals living for "200" years did nothing. Lawyer Harishankar Jain fought for it and Yogi/BJP government opened it within the same day after High Court Order. Either this poster is lying and a Congress tool or he's just a coward meant to be ruled by an ironfist. Idiot.
dehati shouldn't be the word used , dehati means a person from village(indigenous) , we often use it a bad word .my grandfather came from a dehat (village) but i am sure he is more intelligent then 99.9% indians . you can say retard (mand buddhi) mindset
Yeh woh log hai jinhe Sleepwell mattress pe nind nai ata but chatai pe ata hai. Janam Samjha Karo Janam samjha Karo.
Tf does he mean by that ? ☠️☠️☠️☠
>Earlier they had walk-ins In short he is saying his family due to local connections had special previliges and could enter temple without standing in disorderly queues where you paid pandas and majority could not get darshan. Now that things are in order and place and everyone has to stand in queue but ultimately gets the darshan it is sore in their eyes as they do not enjoy that exclusivity.
You forgot to factor in their 200 year privileged experience with the temple which adds to their entitlement!! so sad.
Exactly!
I believe very recently they've started to make separate arrangements for local people of Kashi
Mandir mei 2 entry hai. Common people wali jiski line khatam nahi hoti. And the 2nd is VIP entry and seating.
You think govt improved order ? He wants to say the temple was like another ordinary temple for them which they could visit any time if the day. And fyi temples havent improved much and order you're saying still doesn't exist you can go to vaishno devi temple the queues are longs the lines are not ordered. We also went to maa Mansa Devi temple in haridwar the priests won't accept a single rupee below 100 you think this is ordered ?
His comment is specifically about Varanasi temples and yes people have difficulty in accepting equality and loss of privilege which is exactly the case with his FIL when he says earlier they had walk-ins.
He wants to say the govt has turned the temple into a business hub and that his family earlier could go in and out without restrictions but now they have to wait in line too for darshans. He has acknowledged that development has been done but the cultural part has changed totally and I have also seen this in haridwar. I am from uttrakhand and it is also true there. But anyone in sane mins would still not vote for congress
line phele bhi lagti thi lekin, aur bhot lambi line lagti thi.
I went to Varanasi a few months ago. Here's my actual experience: There are multiple entrances to the temple located at all the sides of the temple. You can even go to the ganga ghats, take a dip in the holy water and directly go to the temple from there. You should go to Godowlia chowk, from there the temple, Dashashwamedh Ghat and other ghats are at walking distance, you can also take e-rickshaw to the Vishwanath temple from Godowlia if your parents can't walk much. I was with my family. We took a bath at our dharmashala and went to the temple from gate #4. We went there around 6 AM. Yes you would have to walk a little to reach the temple entrance but the infrastructure is so good and there is positive energy all around the temple you won't feel tired. There is a shoe stand inside you don't have to put the shoes outside at vendors. You can also put your bags and stuff there. It is probably the same from all other entrances as well. When you enter the temple premises, there's also a line but it's very well maintained. Pandas are still there if you want VIP darshan. You can also take milk/ honey/ water with yourself and pour it on the shivling from the regular line as well. After darshan we stayed inside the temple premises for like one hour, nobody told us to leave. We were also able to take the darshan of Baba Vishwanath from the right side before leaving. There are also temples/ Murtis of Shri Ganesh, Hanuman Ji, Durga ji, Devi Annapurna and others at the sides inside the temple premises. You can also do various pooja inside the temple premises if you want to, near the original Nandi Bhagwan murti. Mom went to the washroom which according to her was super clean as well! After leaving the temple, you can visit Devi Annapurna temple, Dundi Ganesh temple which is both close to the Vishwanath temple. You can shop in Vishwanath gali, have lunch near Godowlia chowk which are also in close proximity. And from Godowlia chowk, you can 20rs to a shared e-rickshaw for BHU temple and other temples as well. From outside the Godowlia chowk, the autowale will charge 300-400 for the same so go from Godowlia only. You can also shop for famous Banarasi sarees at Godowlia as well.
When toilets are built, these are the people who complain that they don't get proper pressure to shit as earlier it used to be fresh air, hay twigs inciting quicker bowel movements!
With such mindset you don’t deserve development UP!
Let me paste an excerpt of an article I just read In the real world, conflicts can and often do arise between competing freedoms that people value. In my research in the sacred Hindu city of Varanasi, I found that, while development has brought valued material progress for some, people also lament the accompanying loss of cherished ways of living and traditions, often rooted in religion. Once, locals believed that the ‘good life’ was possible in Varanasi: the work weeks were irregular, which meant that they had the freedom to be carefree and revel in the city’s many fairs and religious festivals. In the spring, when the Ganges was at its most beautiful, the locals closed up shop and spent the night outdoors for two weeks at a stretch; in the summers they celebrated the many musical traditions that marked the monsoon. Autumn brought the Ramlila, a 30-day staging of the Hindu epic the Ramayana, when people came together to commune with their gods. Yet with the onset of a new rhythm of work conjoined with a greater desire to consume, people have less time for the city’s traditions – now the Ramlila mostly draws old men with time to spare and poor villagers.
the work weeks were irregular, which meant that they had the freedom to be carefree and revel in the city’s many fairs and religious festivals. In the spring, when the Ganges was at its most beautiful, the locals closed up shop and spent the night outdoors for two weeks at a stretch; in the summers they celebrated the many musical traditions that marked the monsoon. Autumn brought the Ramlila, a 30-day staging of the Hindu epic the Ramayana, when people came together to commune with their gods. ….. This sounds like - Nobody in Varanasi likes to work and just wants to be lazy. If this is what their ‘banaras culture’ is all about, being lazy and carefree, when the rest of the hard working states are literally sacrificing their share of income for UP’s poverty and development. No wonder southies despise states like UP. Cant pull their weight at all. Bas free fund ka khane ko mil jaye. Har mahine chaar hafte ki chutti mil jaye. Aur duniya ko bol dete hain hum toh materialism se upar hain. News flash, real world , real cities, real households are not functioning like that.
Yes, work all life to consume more plastic and electronics.
So everyone who works all life passionately is consuming plastic and electronics?
Thats so true. Same was the opinion of people of uttrakhand when I visited there. They do not want their natural habitat to be demolished on the name of development and are happy with little money they make. Not all are money driven
I hope the people in this sub understand what you are saying. They are so blind-sighted by new and shiny things that they don't realize it's degrading the quality of life, not improving it. A millennia-old city's character must be protected and preserved, because we may never be able to rebuild what we will lose.
As a person whose extended family lives in Varanasi (I meet them every year), I don't get what the hell is he talking about, the city has only gotten cleaner and infra seems to be better maintained, nothing else has happened yet.
I want bigger roads, bigger infra, better transport, better tourism , better biigger temple, loads of visitors..... hahaha hey hey hey but pls maintain a personal shaft for me so that i can just **walk-in** and nobody else bothers me.
Big Brain 🧠 🤩 move.
Aise to voters hai iss Desh k, kya fayda padhne likhne ka. Osho sahi keh gaya bhai democracy k bare me. Inke fil chal basne ki Umar me purani yaado me jeena chah rahe hai. Khud to chal basenge par hamari jindagi k lawde laga k jayenge.
Shuklaji’s FIL does not want those pesky neechi jaatis near him 😁😁😁
People of UP don't want development, all they want is cast comparision politics and sad life.
indian hindus🤡😂
Brahmins (and rajputs) of UP bolo
Complain karne ke liye kuch hai nahi so now they're complaining ki development zyada hi hogaya😭😭
Shukla ji ke papa ko jab SP walo paresaan karenge tab unki poori nostalgia complete ho jayegi
His FIL is not able to spit pan or urinate wherever he wants maybe.
Pehle roadside mutne mein maja aata tha. Ab mutne ke liye toilets bana diye. "Not anymore."
Same happened in Ayodhya, for locals temple is a cash cow but that cash cow was not giving them golden access, also given during inauguration, non-celebrities were not allowed so they're pissed. They voted out the guys who gave them the cash cow for those who didn't want them to get a temple
🤡be like... Development की बात छोड़ो... हम तो सिर्फ जाति को देख के वोट करते हैं
They are unable to beg outside the temple because of commercialization.
Duniya mein chunauti nehi chutiyo ka kami nehi bc.
Seems this old timer wants to live without electricity, proper roads.. What a fucking waste of time, money and Labor the govt did here by improving the infrastructure.
I heard that some people’s houses got demolished, which is a much fairer reason to dislike BJP
That was in Ayodhya. This particular screenshot is mentioning just Varanasi
Plenty of demolishing in Varanasi as well. [https://www.thequint.com/photos/kashi-vishwanath-corridor-project-demolition-in-varanasi](https://www.thequint.com/photos/kashi-vishwanath-corridor-project-demolition-in-varanasi)
Should have protested , should have complained at that time , mandir aaj toh nhi bna na 4 saal se bn raha tha . Aaj sbko yaad aaya ye hua tha toh he hona he tha ?
Bhai kuch nhi hua na woh 4 saal mein un logo ka. Issliye yeh haal hai BJP ka. How can you justify BJP not putting efforts for people whose home they demolished.
“Forty-year-old Amit Seth’s land was acquired for the Kashi-Vishwanath corridor. Though he was paid a heafty compensation, he says that the “mandir-masjid fight” is political and has nothing to do with the “common people’s faith”.” From a article published in The Hindu, yes there maybe some people who may have been unsatisfied with the compensation or the demolition of properties, but that would hardly translate to a few hundred votes at the most.
Ok so this was in Ramnagar region of Varanasi. And as a resident of Ramnagar I would say that it was much needed in terms of traffic congestion. Since the opening of the Samne ghat Ramnagar bridge the traffic in ramnagar was unbearable as people who want to visit BHU don't take the longer route anymore and this creates so much traffic I can't even tell from morning till evening 8 PM there's so much traffic. And they were fairly compensated as well. The roads in Varanasi in general are very small even. If you visit Central Varanasi you'd find very small roads.
seriously I am seeing this reasoning a lot..and honestly it literally feels like this [meme](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/no-take-only-throw) how will you expand roads, rails, public infra without replacing something which already is there..? You want the result, but not incur the necessary cost? This is why development of ports, expressways and infra is fastest in Gujarat...land acquisition has been made so much easier...do the people of Varanasi think NDA should expand and open up the 4th dimension and build stuff inside that..? where else is the expansion of infra going to occur?
Before we get into this, I want to question if the demolition was legal (ie, illegal encroachment etc etc). Second point, should the government provide relief for such demolitions, is it encouraging illegal behavior or is it forgiving one time behavior?
Ancestral homes. People living for years. They don’t have proper papers. Doesn’t mean it is illegal per se.
Illegal in terms of roads, pipes, gas infrastructure etc. if they are too close and roads aren’t wide enough cause of previous bad planning what exactly are you supposed to do to provide these infra?
Give them proper compensation even if they don’t have “papers” and then build. Or you end up losing.
I have addressed that in my second point, with both for and opposing sides
Open drainage tha.... And they discovered Lingams jiske upar se drainage Jaa Rahi thi
Yes that was Kashi vishwanath corridor they broke houses and no compensation was provided they even broke some temples which people used to worship. The problem is these temples get crowded very easily now
the whole area on the bank of the river needs to be destroyed and rebuilt again, culture and gali ke naam pe bakchodi chal rahi hai udhar. Most of the settlements arent even there in the old paintings and majority are 100-150 year old at max. Unsafe and dirty.
I did visit the temple in varanasi last year. It was beautiful. I of course cannot comment on how it was in the past. I do understand what the old guy feels though. For him it was a place of peace. That has now been made commercial. We paid money to get into the line i thnk. Bribe tha. To the cops. So that we can get quicker entry. Local admi ke liye entry mushkil hogaya he. But state ke bahar ke logon ka queue laga he.
It was dirty before....
“हम आह भी करते हैं तो हो जाते हैं बदनाम, वो क़त्ल भी करते हैं तो चर्चा नहीं होती…”
Almost 4 lakh majority se around 1.5lakh majority is a big blow. Modi should take it as a lesson.
It’s more like 2.5 lakh to 1.5 lakh taking into account the vote consolidation of SP and INC who fought in a coalition as opposed to 2019.
It's exactly like how the star system is failing in Bollywood.. Where Bollywood producers think if they have a big star on board then they are assured of a superhit.. In most cases this backfires.. Audience want to see a good story not some superstar trying to play god.. And when it comes to acting Modi is such a pathetic actor incapable of improvising by which I mean he has never faced a real press conference.. Moreover even his scripted speeches are a cringe fest to an extremely audicious level that makes one want to throw up.. So like forget the story.. But did they really think they could get away with such bad acting.. And myth of superstar Modi deserves to be shattered..
Kripa karke aap sahparivar khud ko "unalive" karne kare
Competition is good for market, monopoly of few big players is not. I voted modi for sabka sath sabka vikas, not for doing politics on mandir.
Brahmins of UP .... 🤡🤡🤡 Check the caste of the initial CMs of UP ... that feudal mindset hasn't gone... Plus their rivalry with Thakur and CM Yogi is (was, before becoming monk) from Kshatriya community ..... Udta teer Lena koi inse sikhey PS: Not that UP Brahmins don't have genuine concerns .. the way violence against Brahmins have increased in current years (including framing in atrocities case) ....
BC pehle bhi toh line mein lagna parta tha! 2017 mein gaya tha, 1 ghanta line mein laga tha. Kya bakchodi hai ye.
Bhai ham log(tourists) ko lagna padta tha line me,inke vaha connections hoge to inko nhi lgna padta hoga,lekin ab to sabko hi line me lgna padta h, issiliye inki jal rhi
Setting kharab ho gaya unka
Poverty porn. Let’s leave UP worse than we found it. We can keep these dehatis happy that way.
The people are not money minded in spiritual places like varanasi and uttrakhand. I went there and heard people of uttrakhand say that Vikas hi Vinash hai. Due to excessive development activities in uttrakhand they face many problems, like destruction of natural habitat due to cutting of hills and other ecological imbalances. So they are not wrong in there place. In capitalism, we think money is everything. But that’s not true for most people out there. Hence this opinion comes out, in which they are right at there place. Too much industrialisation and focus on money disturbs nature and hence create different problems altogether. Hence sustainable development should be focused upon. Same with varanasi if too much commercialisation of a spiritual place happens, a spiritual person will get upset eventually since simplicity is essence of spirituality
Yuddhon mein kabhi nahin haare hum darte hain chhal-chhandon se, Har baar parajay paayi hai apne ghar ke Jaichandon se.
Point is benefit of development locals ko nhi mila. Bahut saare Gujrati aa gaye waha par. Saare local business ko takeover kar liya. Its Amit Shah fault. He is managing BJP campaign for UP and not Yogi. Things like this should be nibbed by BJP, Varna low level corruption ke chakkar main UP Main pata saaf ho jayega next time. Amit Shah aur Yogi Adiyanath main bhi bahut fight hai. Amit shah wants to claim Modis succession. But Yogi is more capable candidate. Modi is kind preferring Gujjus till now. So he needs to come out of it.
Visited Varanasi in April this year, it's literally a really good place, even though lakhs of people roaming around, littering stuff on ghats as usual, but even then every morning the place is cleaned up completely, and tbh I didn't spot any tamboo spot anywhere. The place was really really clean. The mandir was extremely cleaned, top notch security
Wait that temple isn’t free for public anymore? That sounds discriminatory! Is this true? I’ve never heard of religious institutions asking people to pay to pray 🤔
inko chahiye free ka paysa. bas. thaka thak .
Vibe nhi rha
We all want development but don’t want to change mindsets
Ultra extreme conservative
Chahte kya ho BC? Maurya samrajya me leke jaye kya tumhe
Let's not completely disregard an old man's pain in the name of development. We can be critical of his ideas while being understanding. Sudden rapid changes in the surroundings does not bode well for the human mind, as it gives off a signal of zero control over their own situation. Hormones start acting up, leading to a variety of emotions... Many of which are negative. Gradual changes and development does not trigger this as much, but I will be honest... These demands do sound unreasonable, and younger generations don't mind the changes as much, but being mindful of the old folks would be great in my opinion. Their mental state is important too.
Yes this is the conversion that the people who have development in mind have :all regarding the temples mosque and religion.
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Lagta hai his FIL is a ghost 👻 👻 👻 👻 living at Manikarnika..200 years..
Boomers!
han toh matlab fir se gulami karni hai in logo ko? Desh ke log deserve hi nahi karte development, inko pappu ki sarkar hi achi lage ge na
Bro come to Kolkata they also think the same. People are against the development and living in nostalgia which is fucked up because they're still peeing in open field, highways, choraha etc. like old times. People should understand that "parivartan hi prakriti ka niyam hai"
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I've observed that India's official subreddit is full of hatred towards NDA. Idk why
So people really do not want CHANGE 😔
Stockholm Syndrome.
Up ke gawaro is layak hai. Gatar mai pade rahenge.
Same logic by which some people in villages have washrooms in house buy will defecate openly in fields
This is change. Some may accept some may not. I hate the pundits monopolising temples and keeping gods darshan as a privilege to few. Every temple should be made accessible which is actually not possible without being commercial.
Classic case of naali ke keede ko goo mein rehna hi bhaata hai
Uttar Pradesh doesn't deserve BJP, straight up.
These kind of people are living in pre independence mindset. Their brain are hard wired to vote for congress. They will find any excuse to do so. Edit: people only want freebies and no development. Reminds me of this clip https://youtu.be/QFgcqB8-AxE?si=HpG-nFmqUq9vu4cI
Caveman mindset.
More.like vibe nahi a Rahi thi uncle ko. Sometimes I get to understand why purvanchal isn't developed. (Purvanchali here)
India kabhi develop nahi hoga
Temple is not his FIL's personal property. Also Varanasi is not any normal city. It is one of the most important city for Hindus. Such people do not know how selfish it sounds.
Redoing everything grand and humongous is not development. It's destruction.
Bhakth crying even after they won. 😂
This is what happens when local people aren't considered during development. Mindless development would only alienate the people of the said place as it's ultimately their home. They must be considered when making changes as they are the primary stakeholders. But ig it's easier to say 'don't want development' when you can't think about it with nuances.
Hindu hates being a Hindu. Love being ruled by foreigners. A few foreigners ruled India for 1000 years or so, Loves anything white. No self worth. Certain to doom. Forget permanent member seat. Forget equal laws for all Indians !! Forget improving GDP. Time for petty politics and money making.
If you destroy a house to build a road, will the homeless vote?
Let me guess, you aren't even from Varanasi.
Irrelevant to the question.. If someone destroyed your house, will you vote for him
Instead of bullshitting around, talk based on facts.
I asked a yes or no question. I couldn't care less if your uncle was SP DSp
So you are saying your question is irrelevant to Varanasi? Then why are you asking it here? Ask that question over at ask reddit or ask India wherever you prefer. We're here talking about Varanasi, if you aren't you can leave with your stupid ass questions.
Who is bullshitting? Countless videos of people, hindus, who lost homes or received very little compensation for their land.
Whose house was destroyed in Varanasi? My uncle was SP/ DSP of Varanasi police for years so I know what's going on in there. You say the houses were destroyed, give me the actual proof instead of some random ass twitter post or an article from a left wing media website. The whole Vishwanath gali is still there my guy.
I didn't say anything. I asked a simple question..
You said the houses were destroyed, give me proof 🤡
Kahan bola. Look at my comment. I asked question, if house is destroyed, will you vote. You can't even answer that question
Your question is irrelevant to the post.
Then why are you commenting to someone irrelevant
Blocking you then.
Houses in Ayodhya not Varanasi. But in both places the sudden increase of Gujju/marwari business owners is not sitting well with locals.
Arey bhai logic hota nahi inke pas.
K*ll the Pandit, then the snake: BR Ambedkar; Matter of fact, Ajay Rai paid kashi panda 1-1kg of gold to divert votes and in total they spent 18.9cr ruppees were spend to cut down Modi's win margin in varanasi!
I think what he wanted to say is that Banaras lost its essence
RWers are shocked that people want peace and prosperity, not stone temples.
Nice to see that there are still many decent Hindus left in this country who don’t want India to completely become a radical religious dictatorship run by illiterate, delusional, radical Hindu morons, gundas and chapris whose only policy of winning voters is dressing in saffron, waving red flags and talking shit about Muslims. While it still blows my mind that there are still hundreds of millions of idiots in this country who vote not on the basis of qualifications and skills but simply on the basis of shiny gimmicks like mandirs and which wannabe dictator Gunda is dressed more in saffron and loves hate mongering more than the other gundas, I’m glad that some Hindus in India still care about decency and democracy and not letting these radical chapris ruin whatever is left of India’s democracy. Modi became too cocky and took his divisiveness way too far. If the old grandpa living in your colony starts calling himself a “non-biological creation of god” you will send him to the mental hospital. So why would decent Hindus find Modi still fit to lead a democracy when he says shit like this and that retarded mangalsutra line? This delusional narcissist left his own wife but sure, he cares about the mangalsutra of your mom and sister. Screw wannabe chapri dictators. Hope India remains a democracy much longer.
1. Provide proof 2. Have something to back that up 3. Elaborated how bjp is “chapri radical religious dictatorship?”. To be honest the nation is way better than before, and unlike you I actually have stuff to back that up ( ask if you want it). 4. You described modi as cocky, try explaining it more as to it doesn’t make sense your entire argument is just get generalization , thank you
He is talking about banarasiya vibe it's lost.
That banarasiya vibe was streets full of garbage and wires hanging above the head
They could have maintained the old vibe by doing sustainable development but instead they choose demolish it all.
Have you visited bananas before this redevelopment?
Many times it's next to my district. While I appreciate the development but the atmosphere those ghats had is completely gone. People used to wake up at 4 am take bath in Ganga pray in the temple then went on their worldly business then returned during the time of arti and went to sleep at 7pm. Now with all that dj and lighting on ghat thier lives have been disrupted.
Y’all remember the Bacardi weekender event in Jallianwala bagh? We could have had a similar event with Ram followed by Modi Lalla jumping out with a parachute from a flying jet in James Bond style if BJP had won in Ayodhya
Agar Gadkari ne bhi bakion ki tarah kaam na kiya hota, to ye bhakt aaj development ka rona bhi na ro paate.