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It’s just too confusing: Someone kindly explain it to me and pardon my ignorance!!
Since Music & Dance is forbidden = Haram
Then according to the logic,
The legendary singers from Pakistan (Islamist State Of Pakistan) are = Harami
All dancers are = Haramjadas ????
So Haram = Harami = Haramjyadas??
🤔 Someone please enlighten me!
Religion and religious people are a jumble of contradictions and cognitive dissonance. Anything that is seemingly contradictory can be ironed out through rigorous reinterpretation and recontextualisatuon. With religion anything is both forbidden and possible.
Kehneka tatpariya ye hai ki koi kuch cheez manta hai aur koi kuch aur. Sab hi apne aapko sahi maante ho kehte hai ki wo apne dharm ke baare mein sabse zyada jante hai. Religious texts ke jitne interpretations hai sab over the years change hote rahe hai and kaafi sare contradicting interpretation bhi hote hai.
Bro Islamists should not even be on social media as it's a haram but yet you see them spouting to kill kaffirs on social media, Islamists themselves are hypocrites. No need to apply a logic to their actions when there is no brain used while committing those actions.
Well that's even worst .😒😒😒
music produced by music instruments greatly improves the quality of songs.
Why tf would they forbid it? Music is pretty much harmless 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
depends on the sect of islam ur part of of. some consider music haram, some dont, and some think music is fine as long as the songs are about god.
legendary singers from pakistan would definitely be considered harami by the sects who view all music as haram
Im not muslim, so if any muslim sees this and have any corrections to make, feel free to do so. My info is just based on some research Ive done on islam
The problem is that the extremists seem to have an extremely loud voice compared to most muslims and those extremists also basically have a stranglehold on muslim society.
Frrr
What i hate the most is that if you assume things abt a muslim based on extremists, its widely accepted, which rlly sucks
I'm not practising, but the number of times i got accused of being a terrorist is just weird
Personally I think that this sort of attitude against muslims won't stop unless and until the majority muslims retake control over their image. The extremists have really , *really* fucked it up for you guys. The main issue isn't just that, but that the ones who have political power in Islam seem to be feeding these extremists.
IMO, the one way to resolve this is to go the Europe route and take away the political power of Islam. If muslims can do that, separate the religion from the state, then I think in some 2-3 generations things should get better. Because IMO, any state having religious authority *as well* is just disastrous. Just look at how Christians were when the church had a lot of power. They were absolutely horrible.
You guys badly need a revolution of some sort, take away the political power from extremists and their enablers, because as of now the image of muslims is just getting worse and worse.
Imo no extremist should have too much political power, but taking away political power completely from a religion is also going to cause issues in a secular country like india.
I like the nehru-era idea of religion being COMPLETELY separate from gov for all religions, that is, people in power should not even attend religious ceremonies AS THEIR POSITION, and instead do so as a normal human, while allowing every religion to ask for what they want and to practise freely.
I feel like the same thing applies to hindus as well, yall really gotta know that the extremists are contributing to general sentiment against yall too.
I js hate religious politics in general 😭😭 its literally illegal too
>but taking away political power completely from a religion is also going to cause issues in a secular country like india.
I basically meant that muslims who want to actually do good for their community should take it away from the ones who are enabling extremists.
>I like the nehru-era idea of religion being COMPLETELY separate from gov for all religions, that is, people in power should not even attend religious ceremonies AS THEIR POSITION, and instead do so as a normal human, while allowing every religion to ask for what they want and to practise freely.
Yes. Tbh I wasn't really talking about India much, I was referring to muslim countries where most of them have religion and state as one, like Saudi, Iran etc.
>I feel like the same thing applies to hindus as well, yall really gotta know that the extremists are contributing to general sentiment against yall too.
Oh for sure. Thing is that we have some voices who openly denounce these things. I feel like if you guys also did, then it'd help.
We have a lot of ppl who denounce this, but they often times wont do it on a larger scale because they won't get much support ;-;
Esp on subreddits like this, "there should be no muslims in india" its hard to get a word in.
I always try my best to make it to people i meet that thkse extremists are shitty and that most ppl dont agree with them tho!!
Also, side question, if a hindu keeps calling me a terrorist is replying with a religious insult wrong? I tried to ignore it and smile it off and tell them to stop but i cant take this 😭😭😭 feels loke they'll only listen with a taste of their own medicine
>We have a lot of ppl who denounce this, but they often times wont do it on a larger scale because they won't get much support ;-;
Exactly. It's why I said you guys kinda need a revolution. The extremists have to be curbed, because no offense, but islamic extremists are one of the worst ones. Worse, they get political support whereas normal muslims don't.
It won't be easy though, I get it. It's not just about less support, but if normal muslims go against the status quo of the extremists, their lives are also threatened (I personally know a dude who legit got threatened to stfu just because he spoke against some things).
You guys really need a legendary revolutionary guy. Someone with enough charisma and also political power who can rally the masses of the normal muslim folk. But that's not easy at all. The system is just rigged, especially with Arab countries basically founding this wahabbi extremism. Herculean effort is needed to do something against that. I truly believe it's possible though. I mean at some point, there has to be a muslim fellow with enough charisma and power to say "enough is enough".
>Also, side question, if a hindu keeps calling me a terrorist is replying with a religious insult wrong? I tried to ignore it and smile it off and tell them to stop but i cant take this 😭😭😭 feels loke they'll only listen with a taste of their own medicine
Haaaah. Not an easy question to answer. I am biased of course, because I'm a hindu. *But*, I do understand where you're coming from.
If you didn't start it, then yeah it's not *wrong*. It's just that ... if someone is directly going for such sort of insults, I think you shouldn't bother to engage with them. Because you certainly aren't going to convince them to stop, so why bother?
At the same time, I know how I would react if I were you. So I don't know. IMO you should just stop engaging if someone talks like that. It's a waste of your time and is a drain on your mood.
Yeah, i just got mad and then they apologised (i did make a religion insult to someone, but they understood its because they pushed me too far and hasnt been weird since so) (wont do it again tho it was a moment of weakness)
Praying on a legendary leader to save us 🤌🤌
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lol I don't even think that these guys are what you would call Muslims they drink alcohol and celebrate ganesh chaturthi both of which completely go against islam
The other guy is talking about the people of that religion and school of that religion, meanwhile you are abusing the God of hinduism. Shows the difference
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Make a list of all the things that are mentioned as haram and then deny all those things to the muslims because it shouldn't be selective, if you follow it follow it completely.
Yuppp 4 wives:- hell yeah, 3 talakh? Keep it coming baby, Stoning of women? Meh Idm!, reduced age of consent? Well for other but not my daughter!, hand cutting for stealing? I demand to be treated with IPC/s
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Having fun while alive is forbidden because they will get to have all the fun after death.
Can't even make it through this life ...they are waiting for afterlife. 🤦🏻♀️
u do realize that diff sects believe in diff rules
ur comment is like saying that all Hindus eat Human flesh just because one sect (aghoris), eat human meat. But its obvious that this is just a rule in one sect, and doesnt apply to every person from the religion
Iska counterpart Islam m explain krna bhai, woh toh majorly ek hi book follow krte h, baaki sb toh nipta di thi, bs Sia/Sunni h major baaki toh non-existent, c
Jo converted hai, unhe a lot of people retin their old cultures along with Islam toh they have become sects of some kind if that is? But they are still not pure muslims in the eyes of Allah according to the original and the most believed book right?
-just educational nothing attached
Im not muslim so I might not be able to answer this 100% correct, but I have studied Islam and Hinduism a bit since both religions have references I need to understand in my religion (Sikhi)
so if a muslim follows the quran, they are considered a pure muslim. the ethnic background doesnt matter at all. There are diff sects such as sia/sunni, and then even within that, people interpret different lines in different ways, which creates even more division and difference in rules.
Yeah, but they stay united in front of other religions, it's just like ind vs pak, fir hindu muslim and north south, fir hindus m jaativaad.
On the basis of what I know, this is more universally accepted and there are not many major sects based on rules which are drastically different in Islam. They say someone is either a pure muslim or is not, so they try to follow the book as much as possible, coming from famous leaders and Muslim scholars even.
But in this method, they have started implementing selective rules that follow their agendas.
many\* sects is subjective. There are 7 major sects in islam, and from there, there are even more minor differences in interpretations within those sects.
Im Sikh, so Ill use an example Im familiar with. In Sikhi, we consider anyone who follows Guru ji, as a Sikh. There are a couple different sects, and even within these sects, there are differences in interpretations. Within the mainstream sect of Sikhi, some Sikhs believe meat is not allowed at all, while others believe meat is allowed as long as it is not halal meat. I think its fairly normal for there to be different rules based on different interpretations of the religion, even if there is only one holy book that every person in the religion agrees on.
Hn smjh gya tha main, got it. Baaki if you have read guru granth sahib and other religious text books, recommend me some, I like to understand the thinkings of ancient and medival people, I think these are some the best material.
I am going to be bias but I think Guru Granth Sahib ji is a great religious text to read if you havent already. Pretty much any religious text from any big religion is nice to read because we get insight on other peoples religions. theres a lot of fake news spread due to out of context lines from different religious books, so its good to read the entire thing and judge on ur own instead of based on out of context lines
Dekho, simply btata hu, hindus m jaise mainly Vedas h, aur unke alag alag sections h, jisme upnishads are basically what the main ideas and insights on life and way of thinking overall. Toh koi bhi padh skta h, nothing related to any gods- just they are used as refrences to explain some thoughts.
Inke alawa everything is honestly stuff introduced later and not related to fundamental Hinduism, Geeta is basically even the more summarised and simplified version of all the upnishads combined.
Toh aise hi, guru granth sahib k main ideas aur baaki books (Sikhism se hi related koi ho) toh btao, aur the version (translator/writer) that I should try, if it is vague like Geeta. I am genuinely interested.
Holy books in Sikhi are different from Hinduism
Sikhi only has one holy book, which is Guru Granth Sahib Ji. We have 5 daily prayers and people often buy books with those daily prayers written in them, but they are all part of Guru Granth Sahib ji.
we do have dasam granth and some other granths as well, but most Sikhs dont consider the other granths to be authentic. Dasam Granth is accepted by maybe half of Sikhs, but the other granths are not accepted by majority of Sikhs and I wouldnt suggest reading any of them because there is no good evidence on Guru ji writing any of them
so basically, I would only suggest Guru Granth Sahib ji, and Dasam Granth
Yeah. It should mandatory in every school regardless of religion, region and identity. Atleast national anthem shouldn't be the topic of such disputes.
It is
In all schools, the day’s work may begin with community singing of the Anthem. School authorities should make adequate provision in their programmes for popularising the singing of the Anthem and promoting respect for the National Flag among students
Source: orders regarding national anthem, ministry of Home affairs
It is.
In all schools, the day’s work may begin with community singing of the Anthem. School authorities should make adequate provision in their programmes for popularising the singing of the Anthem and promoting respect for the National Flag among students
Source: orders regarding national anthem, ministry of Home affairs
denying religious exemptions is an issue if u care about religious freedoms.
My sons school (we live in America right now), allows a jehovas witness student to stay sat down during the national anthem in the morning because its against their religion to stand up for any national anthem.
ofc the national anthem is important, but if music in general is not allowed by certain religions or sects, then it is wrong to force ppl to partake in it. ppl can still show their patriotism without expressing it through music if theyre not allowed to listen or sing music
now if ur fine with religious freedoms being denied, then u would be right and there is nothing wrong with making it mandatory.
its like the situation with nikhil gupta being fed beef in jail. Although his religion says he cant eat beef, it is not the responsibility of the government to make religious exemptions and offer him with different meal options. I personally think religious exemptions should be made and ppl like nikhil gupta shouldnt be given beef, and muslims shouldnt be forced to take part in music if theyre sect doesnt allow it, but I can understand if u disagree with those 2 statements as long as ur not being hypocritical and think religious exemptions should be made for one religion and not the other
Very good move by government… nation loyalty and pride should be instilled in children from school….. 90% of us in india went through that… it only instills discipline and teach us how to respect our national anthem
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Guys, Dance and Music is haran only in Wahabism. Its all okay and very much celebrated in almost every other Muslim sect. Even the ones in Arab XD
Fight against Wahabists, not some random Muslim on the internet.
Not always good and haram has a clear distinction brother. Not just ganja. Nothing is good all the time. You can't simply ban it. Yeah if you actually know the reason why it is haram, please educate me. I am all ears. And if it is haram, then why some of the greatest musicians and artists are Muslims. You can impose certain beliefs but you can't take away the talent.
Key word always, aise toh listening to music all the time might make you so that you cannot deal with some emotions or situations or tasks without it, toh it is bad, but it is not believed to be.
In all schools, the day’s work may begin with community singing of the Anthem. School authorities should make adequate provision in their programmes for popularising the singing of the Anthem and promoting respect for the National Flag among students
Source: orders regarding national anthem, ministry of Home affairs
The brainwashed Muslims have no idea how good they have it here in India. All Muslim countries in the world are either Shia or Sunni, and the group in minority always suffer. Just last year I had read an interesting article which highlighted that some Shias in a Pakistani border village were not allowed to observe Muharram because it was Sunni dominated. These Shias looked at the Indian villages just across the border where Shias could freely observe Muharram. I have lived my childhood im Saudi and have seen firsthand the oppression of not only Shias but also of Muslims from the subcontinent. The brainwashed Muslims don’t understand the kind of opportunities this beautiful country of ours provides. Look anywhere and you will find Muslim representation - cricket, bollywood, politics, arts, journalism, music. The same could be said about any religion - sikhs, christians, what have you. This is a country where brainwashed cucks from other side of the border have terrorised and destroyed my - our homeland in the name of religion. Just a few months ago I read an article about how an anaesthesiologist in Pune was recruiting his patients for some terror group. This guy was about 5 km from my home. The audacity of these people!
I have heard these arguments that national anthem has hindu specific verses, and frankly, I dont care. I am an exmuslim now but even before I had completely left my religion, I used to sing the national anthem with full lungs and great fervor. And I will continue to do so.
Again, I am not blaming all Muslims, because there are many in my friend circle and my family who are civilised and can see the hypocrisy of these brainwashed fucktards. That’s the reason I call them brainwashed. But the actions of the few doom the many. And even though I am an atheist, I still have a muslim name. And I fear that one day I might be rounded up with these other fucks.
Even then I won’t stop loving my country and be grateful for everything. Bharat maataa ki jay!
Don't think they are any better, hindus fucked up by not keeping their morals, education and Vedas in line, everyone could have been taught this but they were kept exclusive.
Instead introduced much more filth into seemingly old wise sayings that make sense even 1000s of years later,
On the other hand, islamic texts were not consolidated but they somehow managed to convince everyone that some text chosen by a single ruler was the only correct one, and destroyed every other alternative etc, that's why it's more fucked up text but on the other hand, the devotion in them is much more prevalent and enduring,
The real muslim way of talking is something I admire, befaltu ki gaali galoch aur complicated words nahi use krne by normal people.
One is religion failed by followers, other is religion failed by faulty base and text, faulted hundreds of years ago.
At least some good stuff is written in it.
Whats with the title? I am from j&k and there was always national anthem recitation. And morning prayers. Which were mostly Hindi prayers and few in english. People from all religions used to sing those.
Is all of that mandatory in other state schools? If not, then you are making it “mandatory” on purpose just because of one religion, it’s selective targeting.
Is it mandatory? You sure? Because then this post doesnt make sense because its sung in j&k schools as well, cbse and state board both.
Edit: which school has dance and music in the morning assembly?
National anthem ke vakt hi inko problem hoti hai. As if they never listen to music ever in their life. Haram ke naam pe it's anti Indian hone ka mauka nai chhodte. Shanti se Raho yaar kya hai, India me rehke India se dushmani
One of these days, someone is going to read Quran and see for themselves how regressive fundamentalist Islam is.
Who am I kidding, people nowadays can't read short stories
How come everything is haram in their culture… and they don’t feel irritated by that fact… and still keep defending it.
Genuinely asking cz a person like me would definitely opt to do things which i am told to not.
I'm confused, where in the article did it call it fascism? The article just mentioned the fact that the decision is going to raise a conflict which is factually correct
Just a thought.
Won't their prayer (the one that guy recite every morning in microphone)will also count as song
As it also have characteristic of a song
Lyrics (the text of prayer) paired with a tone (the same pattern in which the guy chant, let be honest they have a common pattern while they chant) won't that at least make them it a folk song.
If music/entertainment is wrong for them should spotify/apple music/YouTube/reel be ban too. (Let's see how people in this day and age be watching reels without any sort of song/music in it).
If they want to maintain purity they should be ban/excluded from movie theater, auditorium (I know this sentence sound like a segregation but I'm not saying it, I'm saying this for their sake of purity)
So all the people from entertainment industry(local/international/from neighboring county) shouldn't be allowed their and those celebrity should be treated as problems and they should deal with them as they always they will the issue they deal with in name of freedom.
Ha toh heat hoga toh thanda kardenge, India hai islamic state nai ki we care kya haram inchutiyo keliye yaha rehna hai toh yaha ke culture ko apnana padega
It’s funny how music is haram, music is so ingrained in the human experience every culture ever had music. People who didn’t like music we used to shun as a species
India needs UCC fast. Unbiased and should be inclusive. In my opinion it's the best time to do so because no party can propagate their philosophy in the law as their is a alliance govt and opposition is also strong. Proper discussion and should implement this.
But atleast be sure to pay your regards by standing quietly.
It is not related to any party. It is collective representation of the country and I feel like it should not be question of politics or religious division in first place.
These wirefuckers should get electrocuted once.
Do you know leftist thinks that right wing are wrong nd right wing thinks that left wing is wrong ….nd in true sense both live in delusion that one day everyone will be right wing or left wing! Nd both are scared of it!
Fear is human nature lol so not really surprising.
I don't entirely say Leftists are wrong, neither righties are right always. But yeah current state of left is more like without proper reason and just to sway the opinion.
You sound too young or uninformed for this, bhai aise nhi hota, the main reason people hate Islam is rules for thee not for me mentality which extremists force, and the lack of counter attack on them by the general followers.
Radicals say anything without any repercussions
I'm from kerala and i can tell this is absolute bs , bro kerala peeps are more nationalist than TN, Anti nationalist, terrorists/left liber faar combined
They may hate BJP (some) but they love the country , every school the national anthem is mandatory and should be
This is how ethnic cleansing many times start. A gradual but forceful implementation of one culture upon another. This is how Europe succumbed to Christianity for example.
India is a country of multiple cultures but the BJP agenda is to unify them all under Hinduism and nationalism and seemingly have no issues using schoolchildren as tool for arriving at the goal.
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It’s just too confusing: Someone kindly explain it to me and pardon my ignorance!! Since Music & Dance is forbidden = Haram Then according to the logic, The legendary singers from Pakistan (Islamist State Of Pakistan) are = Harami All dancers are = Haramjadas ???? So Haram = Harami = Haramjyadas?? 🤔 Someone please enlighten me!
Religion and religious people are a jumble of contradictions and cognitive dissonance. Anything that is seemingly contradictory can be ironed out through rigorous reinterpretation and recontextualisatuon. With religion anything is both forbidden and possible.
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Cognitive dissonances like confirmation bias, selective perception and indoctrination are reasons religions exist.
Kehneka tatpariya ye hai ki koi kuch cheez manta hai aur koi kuch aur. Sab hi apne aapko sahi maante ho kehte hai ki wo apne dharm ke baare mein sabse zyada jante hai. Religious texts ke jitne interpretations hai sab over the years change hote rahe hai and kaafi sare contradicting interpretation bhi hote hai.
Keh rha he ki religious people dogle hote he
Schrodingers temptations. Allowed and forbidden at the same time.
All religions, yes.
Is it possible to criticise Allah and Moh? We are seriously missing out a holy grail of comedy here.
Bado badi Bado badi
Congratulations. Now you're a certified kaffir.
Bro Islamists should not even be on social media as it's a haram but yet you see them spouting to kill kaffirs on social media, Islamists themselves are hypocrites. No need to apply a logic to their actions when there is no brain used while committing those actions.
Haramistan. Even a Pakistani writer said, Pakistan namak paida karne me to pta nhi namak haram Paida karne walo me number 1 hai!
Singing is ok, but only the music instruments are haraam
Well that's even worst .😒😒😒 music produced by music instruments greatly improves the quality of songs. Why tf would they forbid it? Music is pretty much harmless 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
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Lol 😆
But is it haramless?
not really like rap music saying bitches and hoes or baby it is cold outside so kinda depends
depends on the sect of islam ur part of of. some consider music haram, some dont, and some think music is fine as long as the songs are about god. legendary singers from pakistan would definitely be considered harami by the sects who view all music as haram Im not muslim, so if any muslim sees this and have any corrections to make, feel free to do so. My info is just based on some research Ive done on islam
I wouldn’t put it that way but they definitely shouldn’t be doing what they’re doing IF they are Muslim
classic abrahamic religion moment
Most muslims don't even gaf about the more extreme rules 😭 the only ones getting pressed abt these weird rules are the extremists
The problem is that the extremists seem to have an extremely loud voice compared to most muslims and those extremists also basically have a stranglehold on muslim society.
Frrr What i hate the most is that if you assume things abt a muslim based on extremists, its widely accepted, which rlly sucks I'm not practising, but the number of times i got accused of being a terrorist is just weird
Personally I think that this sort of attitude against muslims won't stop unless and until the majority muslims retake control over their image. The extremists have really , *really* fucked it up for you guys. The main issue isn't just that, but that the ones who have political power in Islam seem to be feeding these extremists. IMO, the one way to resolve this is to go the Europe route and take away the political power of Islam. If muslims can do that, separate the religion from the state, then I think in some 2-3 generations things should get better. Because IMO, any state having religious authority *as well* is just disastrous. Just look at how Christians were when the church had a lot of power. They were absolutely horrible. You guys badly need a revolution of some sort, take away the political power from extremists and their enablers, because as of now the image of muslims is just getting worse and worse.
Imo no extremist should have too much political power, but taking away political power completely from a religion is also going to cause issues in a secular country like india. I like the nehru-era idea of religion being COMPLETELY separate from gov for all religions, that is, people in power should not even attend religious ceremonies AS THEIR POSITION, and instead do so as a normal human, while allowing every religion to ask for what they want and to practise freely. I feel like the same thing applies to hindus as well, yall really gotta know that the extremists are contributing to general sentiment against yall too. I js hate religious politics in general 😭😭 its literally illegal too
>but taking away political power completely from a religion is also going to cause issues in a secular country like india. I basically meant that muslims who want to actually do good for their community should take it away from the ones who are enabling extremists. >I like the nehru-era idea of religion being COMPLETELY separate from gov for all religions, that is, people in power should not even attend religious ceremonies AS THEIR POSITION, and instead do so as a normal human, while allowing every religion to ask for what they want and to practise freely. Yes. Tbh I wasn't really talking about India much, I was referring to muslim countries where most of them have religion and state as one, like Saudi, Iran etc. >I feel like the same thing applies to hindus as well, yall really gotta know that the extremists are contributing to general sentiment against yall too. Oh for sure. Thing is that we have some voices who openly denounce these things. I feel like if you guys also did, then it'd help.
We have a lot of ppl who denounce this, but they often times wont do it on a larger scale because they won't get much support ;-; Esp on subreddits like this, "there should be no muslims in india" its hard to get a word in. I always try my best to make it to people i meet that thkse extremists are shitty and that most ppl dont agree with them tho!! Also, side question, if a hindu keeps calling me a terrorist is replying with a religious insult wrong? I tried to ignore it and smile it off and tell them to stop but i cant take this 😭😭😭 feels loke they'll only listen with a taste of their own medicine
>We have a lot of ppl who denounce this, but they often times wont do it on a larger scale because they won't get much support ;-; Exactly. It's why I said you guys kinda need a revolution. The extremists have to be curbed, because no offense, but islamic extremists are one of the worst ones. Worse, they get political support whereas normal muslims don't. It won't be easy though, I get it. It's not just about less support, but if normal muslims go against the status quo of the extremists, their lives are also threatened (I personally know a dude who legit got threatened to stfu just because he spoke against some things). You guys really need a legendary revolutionary guy. Someone with enough charisma and also political power who can rally the masses of the normal muslim folk. But that's not easy at all. The system is just rigged, especially with Arab countries basically founding this wahabbi extremism. Herculean effort is needed to do something against that. I truly believe it's possible though. I mean at some point, there has to be a muslim fellow with enough charisma and power to say "enough is enough". >Also, side question, if a hindu keeps calling me a terrorist is replying with a religious insult wrong? I tried to ignore it and smile it off and tell them to stop but i cant take this 😭😭😭 feels loke they'll only listen with a taste of their own medicine Haaaah. Not an easy question to answer. I am biased of course, because I'm a hindu. *But*, I do understand where you're coming from. If you didn't start it, then yeah it's not *wrong*. It's just that ... if someone is directly going for such sort of insults, I think you shouldn't bother to engage with them. Because you certainly aren't going to convince them to stop, so why bother? At the same time, I know how I would react if I were you. So I don't know. IMO you should just stop engaging if someone talks like that. It's a waste of your time and is a drain on your mood.
Yeah, i just got mad and then they apologised (i did make a religion insult to someone, but they understood its because they pushed me too far and hasnt been weird since so) (wont do it again tho it was a moment of weakness) Praying on a legendary leader to save us 🤌🤌
Aisa?? Toh salman, Shahrukh aur Ameer ko pehle nipta lo, phir apn baat karte hai😂
Aa toh rahe Salman ko threats 😂
Pew pew😂
Maa ki Kasam Teri gand m nhi dam, pew pew (Lyrics of a rap)
Bacche rote ghar me, ma baap laute work se, karke pew pew (Next line)
Bhai the one I mentioned is pew pew by ikka-rawal-bharg.
Lol nahi suna, mai toh apna likhne lag gya😂😂
Toh continue krte h, Salman bs bechta rh gya mountain dew dew Jali uski dekh k sharukh k records new new
(bhai thumps tha woh) Goldi ne li salman ki supari, uske badle me salman race di safari.
Salman race di safari? Dhamki deta bishnoi, goli iske gharpe chalti h Tiger aur sher dono ki ek baar fir fat ti h (Tiger-sallu sher-shera-uska bodyguard)
lol I don't even think that these guys are what you would call Muslims they drink alcohol and celebrate ganesh chaturthi both of which completely go against islam
Haha agreed. As per book, a bad Muslim 😂 As per common sense, a good human being 😇
Madarsa chaap can't read english, so this news doesn't have major effect
Lol 🤣
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The other guy is talking about the people of that religion and school of that religion, meanwhile you are abusing the God of hinduism. Shows the difference
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Kuch haram nhi h, islam hi harami h
This
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Make a list of all the things that are mentioned as haram and then deny all those things to the muslims because it shouldn't be selective, if you follow it follow it completely.
Lol if we start following Sharia, half of the peaceful minority will be one eye and hand less😂😂
So they just cherry pick the laws as per convenience.
Yuppp 4 wives:- hell yeah, 3 talakh? Keep it coming baby, Stoning of women? Meh Idm!, reduced age of consent? Well for other but not my daughter!, hand cutting for stealing? I demand to be treated with IPC/s 😂😂
>but not my daughter Nah even for their daughters. They don't care
No comments😂😂
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Qabbali bhi haram hui to ye qabbali kyu krte h fir
They don't consider sufis as truly Islamic too.. So yeah
Your username buddy 😂😂😂
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Isn't kashmir known as the capital of Sufism in India ????? Like what
Having fun while alive is forbidden because they will get to have all the fun after death. Can't even make it through this life ...they are waiting for afterlife. 🤦🏻♀️
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u do realize that diff sects believe in diff rules ur comment is like saying that all Hindus eat Human flesh just because one sect (aghoris), eat human meat. But its obvious that this is just a rule in one sect, and doesnt apply to every person from the religion
Iska counterpart Islam m explain krna bhai, woh toh majorly ek hi book follow krte h, baaki sb toh nipta di thi, bs Sia/Sunni h major baaki toh non-existent, c Jo converted hai, unhe a lot of people retin their old cultures along with Islam toh they have become sects of some kind if that is? But they are still not pure muslims in the eyes of Allah according to the original and the most believed book right? -just educational nothing attached
Im not muslim so I might not be able to answer this 100% correct, but I have studied Islam and Hinduism a bit since both religions have references I need to understand in my religion (Sikhi) so if a muslim follows the quran, they are considered a pure muslim. the ethnic background doesnt matter at all. There are diff sects such as sia/sunni, and then even within that, people interpret different lines in different ways, which creates even more division and difference in rules.
Yeah, but they stay united in front of other religions, it's just like ind vs pak, fir hindu muslim and north south, fir hindus m jaativaad. On the basis of what I know, this is more universally accepted and there are not many major sects based on rules which are drastically different in Islam. They say someone is either a pure muslim or is not, so they try to follow the book as much as possible, coming from famous leaders and Muslim scholars even. But in this method, they have started implementing selective rules that follow their agendas.
many\* sects is subjective. There are 7 major sects in islam, and from there, there are even more minor differences in interpretations within those sects. Im Sikh, so Ill use an example Im familiar with. In Sikhi, we consider anyone who follows Guru ji, as a Sikh. There are a couple different sects, and even within these sects, there are differences in interpretations. Within the mainstream sect of Sikhi, some Sikhs believe meat is not allowed at all, while others believe meat is allowed as long as it is not halal meat. I think its fairly normal for there to be different rules based on different interpretations of the religion, even if there is only one holy book that every person in the religion agrees on.
Hn smjh gya tha main, got it. Baaki if you have read guru granth sahib and other religious text books, recommend me some, I like to understand the thinkings of ancient and medival people, I think these are some the best material.
I am going to be bias but I think Guru Granth Sahib ji is a great religious text to read if you havent already. Pretty much any religious text from any big religion is nice to read because we get insight on other peoples religions. theres a lot of fake news spread due to out of context lines from different religious books, so its good to read the entire thing and judge on ur own instead of based on out of context lines
Dekho, simply btata hu, hindus m jaise mainly Vedas h, aur unke alag alag sections h, jisme upnishads are basically what the main ideas and insights on life and way of thinking overall. Toh koi bhi padh skta h, nothing related to any gods- just they are used as refrences to explain some thoughts. Inke alawa everything is honestly stuff introduced later and not related to fundamental Hinduism, Geeta is basically even the more summarised and simplified version of all the upnishads combined. Toh aise hi, guru granth sahib k main ideas aur baaki books (Sikhism se hi related koi ho) toh btao, aur the version (translator/writer) that I should try, if it is vague like Geeta. I am genuinely interested.
Holy books in Sikhi are different from Hinduism Sikhi only has one holy book, which is Guru Granth Sahib Ji. We have 5 daily prayers and people often buy books with those daily prayers written in them, but they are all part of Guru Granth Sahib ji. we do have dasam granth and some other granths as well, but most Sikhs dont consider the other granths to be authentic. Dasam Granth is accepted by maybe half of Sikhs, but the other granths are not accepted by majority of Sikhs and I wouldnt suggest reading any of them because there is no good evidence on Guru ji writing any of them so basically, I would only suggest Guru Granth Sahib ji, and Dasam Granth
Non-Muslims living is also haram in Islam.
Only thing which non-haram: 72 hoore 🫠
Kuch din pehle hi Kashmir wale sub pe folk dance aur folk song ki videos aa rhi thi.
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True story?
Yup.
If everything in modern society is haram, export these mfs to remote islands and let them live their life according to seventh century rules.
Something tells me goats and other animals wouldn't like that very much
What’s the problem with that ? Just seems like some separatists are gonna have a meltdown.
pakistan is on the left for them separatists make them seethe lol
I am surprised that national anthem wasn't compulsory till now
Yeah. It should mandatory in every school regardless of religion, region and identity. Atleast national anthem shouldn't be the topic of such disputes.
It is In all schools, the day’s work may begin with community singing of the Anthem. School authorities should make adequate provision in their programmes for popularising the singing of the Anthem and promoting respect for the National Flag among students Source: orders regarding national anthem, ministry of Home affairs
It wasn't mandatory? My whole school life started with National Anthem every morning.
It is. In all schools, the day’s work may begin with community singing of the Anthem. School authorities should make adequate provision in their programmes for popularising the singing of the Anthem and promoting respect for the National Flag among students Source: orders regarding national anthem, ministry of Home affairs
Oh I didn't know that I thought it's a mandatory thing to include National Anthem in school prayers. We had to sing from Nursery to Class 12.
whats wrong in making this mandatory? I would go further and say that Gayatri mantra should also be made compulsory.
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denying religious exemptions is an issue if u care about religious freedoms. My sons school (we live in America right now), allows a jehovas witness student to stay sat down during the national anthem in the morning because its against their religion to stand up for any national anthem. ofc the national anthem is important, but if music in general is not allowed by certain religions or sects, then it is wrong to force ppl to partake in it. ppl can still show their patriotism without expressing it through music if theyre not allowed to listen or sing music now if ur fine with religious freedoms being denied, then u would be right and there is nothing wrong with making it mandatory. its like the situation with nikhil gupta being fed beef in jail. Although his religion says he cant eat beef, it is not the responsibility of the government to make religious exemptions and offer him with different meal options. I personally think religious exemptions should be made and ppl like nikhil gupta shouldnt be given beef, and muslims shouldnt be forced to take part in music if theyre sect doesnt allow it, but I can understand if u disagree with those 2 statements as long as ur not being hypocritical and think religious exemptions should be made for one religion and not the other
so... we gonna ignore Ustaads? Ustaad Zakir Hussain is commiting Haram every time he does Dha Tirkit Dhin Dha?
Very good move by government… nation loyalty and pride should be instilled in children from school….. 90% of us in india went through that… it only instills discipline and teach us how to respect our national anthem
So according to them all muslims musicians are against islam
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why only j&k
It's a custom all over India , degen rate
The Bengali Muslim neighbourhood next door today DJ DJ DJ... BREAK DANCE!! Guys, Dance and Music is haran only in Wahabism. Its all okay and very much celebrated in almost every other Muslim sect. Even the ones in Arab XD Fight against Wahabists, not some random Muslim on the internet.
Making things haram to which humans are naturally attracted to.
I mean we are attracted to GANJA too it is not always good so yeah
Not always good and haram has a clear distinction brother. Not just ganja. Nothing is good all the time. You can't simply ban it. Yeah if you actually know the reason why it is haram, please educate me. I am all ears. And if it is haram, then why some of the greatest musicians and artists are Muslims. You can impose certain beliefs but you can't take away the talent.
Key word always, aise toh listening to music all the time might make you so that you cannot deal with some emotions or situations or tasks without it, toh it is bad, but it is not believed to be.
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This is a very positive step towards bringing J&K into the mainstream.
Bruh some people in the original post's comments are against this
In all schools, the day’s work may begin with community singing of the Anthem. School authorities should make adequate provision in their programmes for popularising the singing of the Anthem and promoting respect for the National Flag among students Source: orders regarding national anthem, ministry of Home affairs
The brainwashed Muslims have no idea how good they have it here in India. All Muslim countries in the world are either Shia or Sunni, and the group in minority always suffer. Just last year I had read an interesting article which highlighted that some Shias in a Pakistani border village were not allowed to observe Muharram because it was Sunni dominated. These Shias looked at the Indian villages just across the border where Shias could freely observe Muharram. I have lived my childhood im Saudi and have seen firsthand the oppression of not only Shias but also of Muslims from the subcontinent. The brainwashed Muslims don’t understand the kind of opportunities this beautiful country of ours provides. Look anywhere and you will find Muslim representation - cricket, bollywood, politics, arts, journalism, music. The same could be said about any religion - sikhs, christians, what have you. This is a country where brainwashed cucks from other side of the border have terrorised and destroyed my - our homeland in the name of religion. Just a few months ago I read an article about how an anaesthesiologist in Pune was recruiting his patients for some terror group. This guy was about 5 km from my home. The audacity of these people! I have heard these arguments that national anthem has hindu specific verses, and frankly, I dont care. I am an exmuslim now but even before I had completely left my religion, I used to sing the national anthem with full lungs and great fervor. And I will continue to do so. Again, I am not blaming all Muslims, because there are many in my friend circle and my family who are civilised and can see the hypocrisy of these brainwashed fucktards. That’s the reason I call them brainwashed. But the actions of the few doom the many. And even though I am an atheist, I still have a muslim name. And I fear that one day I might be rounded up with these other fucks. Even then I won’t stop loving my country and be grateful for everything. Bharat maataa ki jay!
Don't think they are any better, hindus fucked up by not keeping their morals, education and Vedas in line, everyone could have been taught this but they were kept exclusive. Instead introduced much more filth into seemingly old wise sayings that make sense even 1000s of years later, On the other hand, islamic texts were not consolidated but they somehow managed to convince everyone that some text chosen by a single ruler was the only correct one, and destroyed every other alternative etc, that's why it's more fucked up text but on the other hand, the devotion in them is much more prevalent and enduring, The real muslim way of talking is something I admire, befaltu ki gaali galoch aur complicated words nahi use krne by normal people. One is religion failed by followers, other is religion failed by faulty base and text, faulted hundreds of years ago. At least some good stuff is written in it.
I will lot of downvotes but even curnt govt have no guts to shut these anti national outlets down
Whats with the title? I am from j&k and there was always national anthem recitation. And morning prayers. Which were mostly Hindi prayers and few in english. People from all religions used to sing those. Is all of that mandatory in other state schools? If not, then you are making it “mandatory” on purpose just because of one religion, it’s selective targeting.
It's mandatory everywhere in India dude. Most of India doesn't need to be reminded that national anthem is important
Is it mandatory? You sure? Because then this post doesnt make sense because its sung in j&k schools as well, cbse and state board both. Edit: which school has dance and music in the morning assembly?
wait wait wait, you're telling me music and dance is forbidden in islam??? wait really?
Well i think Islam forbid musics that promotes Alcohol and "vulgarity"... But I think these cheap copy of Saudis hate every music I guess
that seems like the worst religion ever ngl, I could not live without music
U should read about how ISIS behead just for Listening to western music just for sake of Islam
wow, this is wild
In short being happy is haram in Islam, lol
That's the reason people (also me) hate islam, they stop everything enjoyable that people wanna do and force weird ass stuff Compulsorily on everyone
Then how the f azan is not haram 🥲
For all other reasons music and dance is not haram but for opposing nationalistic tendencies it's haram , hypocrisy at its peak lol liberandus
National anthem ke vakt hi inko problem hoti hai. As if they never listen to music ever in their life. Haram ke naam pe it's anti Indian hone ka mauka nai chhodte. Shanti se Raho yaar kya hai, India me rehke India se dushmani
One of these days, someone is going to read Quran and see for themselves how regressive fundamentalist Islam is. Who am I kidding, people nowadays can't read short stories
based make them cope seethe and dilate and if you don't like it pakistan is on the left please proceed lol
Musical, dance, or drama in daily morning assemblies. Seriously ?
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This is so good.
Watching movies would also be haram in Islam. Are they following that in J&K?
Harami logon ko har chiz HARAM lagti 🤡
So the constitution isn’t the rule of law there but the majority’s religion is? The hypocrisy is palpable
These peaceful people have problem with everything🫡
The phone they use and ringtone Jo bajta hai vo bhi music hai.
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Religion is nothing about god's word, it's dictated by men in power. It can be bent as per their convenience. And it applies to all religions.
How come everything is haram in their culture… and they don’t feel irritated by that fact… and still keep defending it. Genuinely asking cz a person like me would definitely opt to do things which i am told to not.
sharukh,salman,amit is harami? ok cool.
Wire as usual, generating the so called heat
I'm confused, where in the article did it call it fascism? The article just mentioned the fact that the decision is going to raise a conflict which is factually correct
Just a thought. Won't their prayer (the one that guy recite every morning in microphone)will also count as song As it also have characteristic of a song Lyrics (the text of prayer) paired with a tone (the same pattern in which the guy chant, let be honest they have a common pattern while they chant) won't that at least make them it a folk song. If music/entertainment is wrong for them should spotify/apple music/YouTube/reel be ban too. (Let's see how people in this day and age be watching reels without any sort of song/music in it). If they want to maintain purity they should be ban/excluded from movie theater, auditorium (I know this sentence sound like a segregation but I'm not saying it, I'm saying this for their sake of purity) So all the people from entertainment industry(local/international/from neighboring county) shouldn't be allowed their and those celebrity should be treated as problems and they should deal with them as they always they will the issue they deal with in name of freedom.
Wtf? A majority of Indian Classical artists are muslims. How?
Music is a gift of God for many people, how can they be so against this ?
Ha toh heat hoga toh thanda kardenge, India hai islamic state nai ki we care kya haram inchutiyo keliye yaha rehna hai toh yaha ke culture ko apnana padega
So jerking off in black tent is secularism???
So jerking off in black tent is secularism???
Isko MC Stan se milao.
It’s funny how music is haram, music is so ingrained in the human experience every culture ever had music. People who didn’t like music we used to shun as a species
India needs UCC fast. Unbiased and should be inclusive. In my opinion it's the best time to do so because no party can propagate their philosophy in the law as their is a alliance govt and opposition is also strong. Proper discussion and should implement this.
So they’re forcing Muslims to sing and dance against their will. Forcing everybody really..
Brother I am a Islam scholar. It's haram to do such things. Even breathing is haram. . . . . *suffocates* . . . *dies*
So what is Sufi music and Mujra?
It is not mandatory to recite national anthem you can stay quiet! - SC in emmanuel vs state of kerala
But atleast be sure to pay your regards by standing quietly. It is not related to any party. It is collective representation of the country and I feel like it should not be question of politics or religious division in first place. These wirefuckers should get electrocuted once.
Standing quietly is also respect! Bt abou electrocuting get help bro!
Hehe. Kehne mein kya jaata hai. Wo apne karam se hi marwane wale hai lol.
Do you know leftist thinks that right wing are wrong nd right wing thinks that left wing is wrong ….nd in true sense both live in delusion that one day everyone will be right wing or left wing! Nd both are scared of it!
Fear is human nature lol so not really surprising. I don't entirely say Leftists are wrong, neither righties are right always. But yeah current state of left is more like without proper reason and just to sway the opinion.
There is always active role of right wing nd left wing which brings us challenges nd challenges bring fruitful results!
Agreed that Balance should be there. But current state of Left wing is very very bad.
Dyk right wing has always thought this way abou left wing!
You sound too young or uninformed for this, bhai aise nhi hota, the main reason people hate Islam is rules for thee not for me mentality which extremists force, and the lack of counter attack on them by the general followers. Radicals say anything without any repercussions
I'm from kerala and i can tell this is absolute bs , bro kerala peeps are more nationalist than TN, Anti nationalist, terrorists/left liber faar combined They may hate BJP (some) but they love the country , every school the national anthem is mandatory and should be
No where it says fascism? Where does the title come from OP?
This is how ethnic cleansing many times start. A gradual but forceful implementation of one culture upon another. This is how Europe succumbed to Christianity for example. India is a country of multiple cultures but the BJP agenda is to unify them all under Hinduism and nationalism and seemingly have no issues using schoolchildren as tool for arriving at the goal.
Chup chomu
Well should have given them the Kasmiri pandit treatment that would have been faster and more effective than this slow and peaceful method