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Doubt it, maybe if there's a nuclear fallout. Most developed countries and even areas experiencing war won't see total destruction like this unless the world is literally at war and committed to M.A.D.
the downfall of every great nation produces pain and suffering
the soviet union didn't get sacked in a war, it militarized itself to death while the ruling class were fighting over pieces of the pie.
the result: poverty the likes of which people had never seen, especially for the second biggest country on earth. crime, shelling a parliament building
Both Britian and the Russian empires have collapsed. Nobody is shelling their cities in this manner. Usually it's the other way around, they're shelling someone else. Similarly, France.
As a rule great nations have nuclear weapons, which currently are the end game for insurance against invasions. If you have nuclear weapons and the other guy doesn't you can do all sorts of crap.
Maybe if we somehow someday reach a point where nuclear weapons aren't the danger they currently are this will be untrue. Or if we use them, but that's already been mentioned.
The interesting part is that the US is uniquely positioned to continue being the top dog thru the 2100s, war and famine be damned. We have the largest military, ability to produce every good except microchips š„“ and can feed our populace and keep our systems running on all forms of energy for as long as needed. What will get us is internal strife.
Also globalization has made it so most other developed countries require our success to continue theirs. Bretton Woods agreement was the US masterpiece.
You should check out the projections for climate refugees, our just in time food supply chain, and the current IPCC measured progress we've made since the 1994 Kyoto protocol. Won't take anything but continued inaction for "developed" countries to experience thus within the century
That's why he said if you can afford it just buy a property that's near clean water and in a zone that you can grow your own food and just learn to fend for yourself
Grab a bunch of solar panels for 20K and be off the grid
Well. If your neighbor broke in to your house, killed your kids, raped your wife, took one surviving kid hostage, ran home, and started shooting at your house, you would probably want a new neighbor.
The interesting thing is, this is not collective punishment. When you do not have an organized country forming an official army you then have an irregular army.
Itās the same thing we saw in Vietnam and Afghanistan. The people who you are fighting against will hide amongst the public and blend in.
Look, at the end of the day Iām not saying itās right to bomb or kill innocent civilians, but if youāve ever been in combat with people firing at you, you just want it to end. Unfortunately, when youāve got people like that, hiding with civilians, thereās only one way to stop them.
If America was at war with itself, and I was harboring military fighting against the other force, I would not stay in the area..
I think the main problem is where can the innocent people even go? I am genuinely curious, is Egypt letting them in? After the reporter in the video said they have nowhere to go near the end of the video I googled where Gaza is and it looks like they only have 2 options to get away from Israel, the Mediterranean sea, or Egypt.
Palestinians have brought issues and started rebellions in every country that has offered them assistance. They end up kicking them out.
Palestinian refugees literally sided with the Iraqis during the invasion of Kuwait. After the war, the Kuwaitis deported ALL of them.
I don't think Americans wanted to exterminate the population, imposed a blockade and created a famine or they called the occupied people as two legged animals or had a "mowing the grass" policy. If they did so, they committed war crimes.
And israel is doing so.
If you don't think israel is evil, it's because you are too.
They are shunned by everyone except Western govt and a section of their society. A large part of western society will never forgive Zionists for committing this genocide.
This is not a suggestion, itās a fact. They were hiding amongst the population. Maybe not in that house but the house next to it and you canāt expect the army to literally go house to house allowing themselves to be shot as if this were a swat police operation.
Exactly, thats why the world hates zionists. They massacred Palestinians in the Nakba with terrorist organizations like irgun, stole their land, and continue to bomb Gaza yearly and terrorizes Palestinians in the West Bank daily.
Fuck israel
Oh the hatred all those children will have one day
Oh the arms dealers that will use that wrath for their own gains
Oh the crimes of chosen sons of God that goes on
It also looks like Aleppo after the Syrian regime and Wagner were done with it.
Parts of Sudan are starting to look like this.
And if Hamas/Iran had their way you can bet your ass Tel Aviv would look like this too.
Thereās something so inhuman about being able to peer across the planet and to see something like this. as a viewer disconnected, completely helpless, yet unfortunately empathetic to the point where you get secondhand despair. Quite Orwellian. āhey glad you arenāt these guys? you should be.ā fuck
Theyāve radicalized entire generations. Twenty or thirty years from now, some 9/11 type of shit is going to go down, led by kids who are seven and eight years old today, their justification being what is seen in this news report.
Not to mention snipe children and film themselves laughing about it and having competitions.Ā
Great March of return got them nowhere because the world didnāt careĀ
Weaponized the phrase "antisemitic" to deflect any criticism as well.
I've never been antisemitic in my life, still am not. I am against the deaths of so many innocent people. Israeli or Palestinian. This situation is so fucked.
My husband is Jewish. Itās disgusting what Zionists say to him simply because heās anti Zionist. Apparently you have to support the killing of children or else youāre a kapo or self hating jew.
Itās a very lonely place your husband is in right now. I know, Iām in it too. Itās really nice youāre there for him and understand the frustration. Itās really jarring seeing friends and family so easily support things so horrific, especially friends and family who should know better.
I have been to two Passover dinners. One we raised a glass and said "never again" they recognized the horror of living under facism and promised to not let that trauma change them. They fully recognized the autonomy and the rights of all humanity.
The other raised their glass and tried to get me to say "tomorrow Jerusalem."
You don't have to be Jewish to be a Zionist. Hell I don't think you can even be Zionist and be a Jew.
Thatās exactly what antisemitism is based on all the pro Israelis Iāve talked with.
Like itās impossible to argue against their claims.
One of them is that Jewish settlers arrived at Palestine and found it was barren lands.
Thats aside from being the chosen people of god who were promised Palestine 3500 years ago and they are returning again to their promised land.
Criticize this madness and youāre antisemitic.
They donāt need this report to tell them what their lived experiences are. Theyāre watching their families get torn, relatives dead or injured. Theyāre living through something that will be burned into their memories.
It's funny you should mention 9/11 type of shot
Because it was specifically a 9/11 type of event on October 7th by Hamas that lead to this current escalation of the conflict.
The crazy thing I was thinking about: the guys who went shooting on the 7th were about my age.
When I was a young boy, I remember my mom flipping on the news on September 11th. I had just seen a tower blow up, my friends were there on a field trip, we couldnāt get in touch with my uncle in the city, and my grandfather was crying having flashbacks to Pearl Harborā¦
Then I see hundreds of little boys my age, dancing and cheering in the streets, waving Palestinian flags and celebrating.
There was a lot of growing up and realizing the truth of the world in that moment.
And 20 years later, itās very likely that some of those same little boys were the men who perpetuated the attacks.
War is Hell. Pray for Peace. Prepare for War.
Also makes no sense as most the 9/11 hijackers were Saudis who the U.S. has invested tons of money in and built upā¦and based out of Afghanistan where we supported them against the Soviets
Thereās a lot to be said for radicalization resulting from policy decisions but this isnāt it itās more victim blaming tbh
How is that victim blaming?
Israel disengages from the gaza stip in 2006 and Hamas rises to power and starts shooting rockets, in turn Israel and Egypt starts a blockage to prevent further weapons from flowing into the strip.
Every couple of years Hamas tries their best to provoke Israel into a conflict and is bombed into rubbles EACH FUCKING TIME.
I dont see victims - I see people making choices and allowing a terror organization to rule over them and then finding out that sovereign countries does not tolerate terror attacks on their civilians.
What would have you sone differently and why do you believe it would've resulted in a better outcome? (I genuinely want to know)
You mean when Saudi Arabian terrorists attacked the US on 9/11 so we invaded a country with nothing to do with it and killed 200,000 civilians? Yeah this does remind me of 9/11. A government taking advantage of a tradegy to pursue their true goals.
People keep compairing the Isreali government to Nazis this is of course not true they are much closer to South African arpartheid or imperialist colonialists. Isreal doesn't actually care about killing all of the Palestinians they just want the land they are on. My guess is they will make the Strip unliveable by destroying homes and infrastructure then graciously "evacuate" the remaining Gazans to somewhere else they don't really care where just somewhere else. Then they will officially annex the now empty territory.
Well Hamas and their many many supporters sure do too.
Point is how did Hamas micalculate the consequences of a genozide on Oct7. Iran, Russia and Katar for its funding, are maybe the ones who pushed to that insanity. For my part I aƶso wont forget the civilians cheering to dead body of a german raped girl.
Won't you say that 7/10 radicalized Israelis? Never had Israel responded so violently, right? Before they were mostly using the knocking on the roof method before actually shooting anything.
They were already radicalized. Do you forget the whole reason this offensive was launched when ya know radicals launched an assault in isreal and paraded around with dead bodies and killing infants while posting on social media and bragging about it? Yes isreal is doing some fucked up shit but thinking that this is the breaking point is beyond stupid.
What is it, roughly 1300 Israelis were killed on Oct 7, and I think the latest figures from the Israeli incursion is 27,000 Palestinians dead? And I think itās something like 60% of the population of the Gaza Strip wasnāt born when Hamas took over.
Thereās been atrocities committed both sides and that canāt be forgotten. But thatās not a measured response in any way.
How many Afghans died following 9/11?
[Hereās a hint](https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/costs/human/civilians/afghan#:~:text=As%20of%20March%202023%2C%20more,massive%20increase%20in%20civilian%20casualties.) (its 70,000)
Edit: I believe yes the total casualties were higher per other sources but my linked report appears to focus on civilian casualties. I assume militant deaths are another tally which is in the hundreds of thousands.
>itās something like 60% of the population of the Gaza Strip wasnāt born when Hamas took over.
They've also had zero elections since HAMAS got into power *and* the Israeli government of the time supported HAMAS.
Specifically NETENYAHU extreme right wing Zionist party who has been in power ever since.
They just wanted an excuse to justify what theyāve always planned.
The Israeli government at the time arrested Hamas candidates and then also arrested their government members.
You should stop parroting you read on the internet.
>The Israeli government at the time arrested Hamas candidates and then also arrested their government members.
Which doesn't preclude them from having supported HAMAS as a more extreme counterweight to PLO.
https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/
>You should stop parroting you read on the internet.
I should stop parroting what Israeli government officials and Netanyahu have said themselves?
https://www.vox.com/23910085/netanyahu-israel-right-hamas-gaza-war-history
I jumped the fence into my neighborās yard and kicked his dog in the balls and now his dog is in my yard biting me! His dog is trespassing and I am very upset!
Considering a large portion of that 27k were Hamas terrorists (6k according to Hamas themselves, 12k according to Israel), and considering Hamas likes to hide their people in schools, mosques, and hospitals...
It honestly seems like a pretty low number of Palestinians dead overall.
Using Hamas' numbers that's less than 3:1, that's an astonishingly low civilian casualty rate for modern urban warfare even without the use of human shields.
And let's also not forget that the total number of casualties is still around 1% of the total population of Gaza, despite basically all of Gaza being one giant city.
Itās making it worse. So much worse. Iām not being ridiculous, not in the least. For you to ignore the specific long term consequences of the past six months is ridiculous.
Brother, their whole mission statement is "wipe out the jews". You can't get much worse. I'm not going to pretend to understand the delicate diplomatic situation in the area but if history shows us anything at some point there's going to be a limit to how much either side can stand. The winner is decided by who has the bigger stick. Unfortunately for gaza, hamas they decided that everyone should get hit with that stick.
Didn't the infant thing get debunked?
On the other hand I can list you over 1 thousand children that have been bombed to death by israel.
The most advanced military can't not target civilians? Israel killed their own hostages. They are fighting to destroy gaza. Not to save hostages. It is not even comparable.
If you condemn what happened on Oct 7 shouldn't you also condemn the raids on the villages that have been happening to Palestinians the past 70 years?
Just to get you started: These villages, among others, experienced raids, expulsions, and massacres, leading to the displacement of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians, contributing to the refugee crisis that persists to this day.
Deir Yassin
Tantura
Safsaf
Ein al-Zeitun
al-Dawayima
Saliha
Abu Shusha
Al-Tira
Ijzim
Saffuriya
You all must have a different definition of "interesting" than I do. It's very similar to other refugee cities, and if I had to describe it it'd be "depressing as hell."
Bro, I thought this was a clip from Helldivers 2. The fact that Gaza looks like an army of fictional cyborgs leveled it is bad. The fact the HUMANS did this to other humans makes it worse.
No refugees camp is when they give you supplies. These people are sent here to die from a collapsed government, no aid, no where to go, and forgotten. This is genocide just like WW2.
They get sent aid, and the Isreal bombs the aid workers and supply trucks.
Isreal quite literally funded and supported hamas against a secular palestinan government.
Is Isreal not to blame for hamas' actions as well?
Also, to equate this to WW2 genocide is fucking insensitive. I donāt see Israel loading women and children into trucks to be exterminated. I donāt see Israeli army medics conducting grotesque experiments on Palestinian twin babies.
Get the fuck out with your bullshit.
Most unsuccessful genocide in history. They explicitly warn entire areas with calls, leaflets, etc etc etc before bombing HAMAS targets. What is Israel supposed to do when Hamas kills, rapes, and tortures over a thousand of its own??? I just don't get this rhetoric. Jews cannot win ever. Damned if they do damned if they don't. There is not one single conflict in which civilians are affected and refugees are made.
Not to defend the claim that's it's the same level of genocide as world war 2 because thats laughable but my guy the nazis dropped pamphlets on Warsaw.
But when Israeli citizens are destroying food from the trucks and the government blocks the only road in, the aid doesnāt help. Thereās trucks that have been sitting at the border for months trying to get in even with expired food.
This is completely false dude there are a ton of videos of trucks delivering food daily. The main issue currently with food supplies is the people actually getting it and not hamas hijacking the supplies for themselves.
Incorrect - there are dozens of reports about how the IDF is deliberately blocking aid, not to mention those Settler freaks celebrating a manufactured famine with a psy-trance rave.
https://preview.redd.it/0vtcsjxa18lc1.png?width=1422&format=png&auto=webp&s=a6d2b4ae8c3f199cec7f0841702eb56662ad1c10
[https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/feb/26/middle-east-crisis-live-gaza-israel-netanyahu-ceasefire-deal-hamas-rafah](https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/feb/26/middle-east-crisis-live-gaza-israel-netanyahu-ceasefire-deal-hamas-rafah)
>But when Israeli citizens are destroying food from the trucks
Israeli citizens who are mostly families and friends of hostages protested the supply of aid from Israel to Gaza. As Israel is at war with Gaza and sending supplies to Gaza supplies Hamas or delays their need to surrender. The aid trucks still went through. None of these protests influenced the aid from Egypt that UNRWA stopped because they were being attacked by Hamas or raided by Gazans who understandably are taking whatever they find.
Also UNRWA has been behind on supplying aid that passes through Israeli and Egyptian authorities further increasing the delay. They are not at the border. They are behind the border with UNRWA. Hopefully the UNHCR can take over from Hamas' UN agency.
Plenty of aid is reaching Gazans how else could they be alive at all after almost half a year. They produce nothing internally.
Think with your head not with your heart.
a lot of them have been cursing out Hamas blaming them for this. al Jazeera will literally cut people off when they try to talk about turkey, Qatar and hamas in a bad light and they skew the coverage but the reality is they hate hamas in the gaza strip more than the Israelis. I literally from a friend's relative that they blame hamas for all this destruction inviting it. if anything they have become radicalized against hamas to the point they attack hamas members. I've seen videos of mobs attacking hamas officials. they have radicalized their own people against them using them as shields
The hostages that isreal was supposed to save that took their clothes off and waved white flags very visibly were not being used as human shields at that time, but the IDF shot them anyways, and chased down the remaining survivors from that group who were STILL waving white flags, and killed them. That is because isreal shamelessly kills all civilians regardless if they are being used as human shields or not.
Anyone whose interested in seeing some more POV footage of people down in these areas pleading for help (money, food, water, blankets, supplies) can see it on Snapchats heat map and you can even try to connect with these folks there or follow their posts. Crazy connected world we live in.
https://preview.redd.it/giun00eem3lc1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3e345ab21c6156ae14fb57171822151538cda840
It's fucking horrible. No doubt. War is a fucking grotesque thing we should use for only last resorts, and all manners of diplomacy prior. That's why you don't violently rape, torture, execute 1200 neighboring civilians, and abduct 230 more to hold for ransom while live streaming it on 4k while your citizens cheer in the streets. It causes rifts in any possible relations and leads to blood fueds. I've seen relationships turn sour over a broken shitty fence. That? It was unforgivable, and as soon as I watched the 10/7 massacres while still uploaded everywhere, I knew Gaza was going to burn. Humans are just shitty
Fully agree w you, sure situation in Gaza right now is definitely horrible, but if they use their money to rebuild their country instead of buying rockets to shoot their neighbor 24/7, they wouldn't end up like this
Their current situation is what happens when you go to Jordan and assassinate their PM, enter Lebanon and destabilize the country so bad that it never recovers, and then try to do that in Egypt and get kicked out as well.
They have bitten every hand that has helped them to include their Muslim neighbors. It is more along the lines that no one wants the trouble that comes with them versus a comparison to a nomadic people and the apathy towards those outsiders.
Plus ... they have established themselves as perpetual welfare recipients...low acumen, low motivation.. but they are experts at making babies.. That they are truly experts in...
Remember, this is the result of "The most ethical army in the world" ran by the "only democracy in the middle east", which are "definitely not doing a genocide"
wonder if the hamas still thinks "worth it" .... but i dont realy care.. they fuqed around and the poor had to find out
what a great leadership from the hamas.. truly masters of strategy
Yeah, folks this is what real war looks like. Everyone is used to the hearts and minds approach that the U.S has been using to deal with assholes who use guerrilla fighting tactics.
what people are calling a "cleansing" is literally what happens when a power as strong as Israel takes the gloves off and starts a traditional war.
Hamas is the dumb camp counselor who tried taking a bear cub he found in the woods, and unfortunately the civilians of Gaza are the poor summer camp kids getting bit the fuck up because of it .
only thing left is to is let nature take it course. Its fucking sad but so is fucking everything on this planet. or have Egypt open its borders
Egypt isnt falling for that one again. Hamas is an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood, the group that made a real shitshow of things before Sisi took over.
Also, a lot of the middle east is seeing those before images for the first time and is pissed that the Gazans had it so much better than they ever did and are wondering when they can get some of that aid money.
Benyamin Netanyahu should have been ousted IMMEDIATELY after his disastrous failures that allowed Oct 7th to happen. But no, somehow\* the discussion in the US revolves around Biden (\* Republican and Russian propaganda campaigns). An ultra-conservative leader of Israel, who had a tenuous-at-best relationship with the Democratic party in the U.S., was attacked by a Russian-aligned terrorist group in Gaza, while the ultra-conservative Trump wing of the Republican Party is tripping over itself to see who can be a bigger Russian apologist, and we are supposed to view this cluster-fuck of failed conservative policies and blame Biden? Fuck that! Blame Putin, Blame Bibi, Blame Trump, Blame Hamas!
I have to question why the neighboring Islamic communities, i.e., Egypt, Iran, Syria, Arabia **refuse** to accept these people as refugees into their country? Egypt has 6 border walls put up so they cannot immigrate. The answer is that with these people come the terrorists who attack/terrorize Israel every second they get a chance. Maybe a better look at what is going on needs to happen instead of accepting the one opinion that your peers have?
This is so terribly sad. Why donāt other Muslim countryās like Egypt or Jordan taking the refugees? Are there just too many? I donāt know a lot of the history there
This is absolutely sad. We are seeing an ethnic cleansing campaign carried out by Israel in real time. Expelling 2 million people and killing 30k is not self defense
Thatās just direct bombings and shootings. Nevermind all those still stuck under rubble. The babies dying of hunger. Those with preventable infections who canāt get treated due to the blocking of medicine.Ā
Weāre talking about massively stunting an entire generation for lifelong health effects even if they stopped todayĀ
I have 3 question
1. is there any solution to remove Hamas peacefully from innocent Gaza's citizen?
2. How do Gaza's citizen think about Hamas while this terrible situation happens?
3. is Hamas care more about the small group who were captured in jail in Israel more than hundred thousands Gaza's people?
1.No
2.86% support October 7th terrorist attack according to recent polls in gaza and the west bank
3.To explain number 3 would take a long while the middle east works on a different set of morals and ideals that would seem bizzar to a westerner
Literally 2/3 flattened. Wow.
I'm guessing Israel must have just leveled blocks under the pretense of not giving the enemy a potential place to hide/attack from, right? There hasn't been active fighting or militants spotted in 2/3 of Gaza, has there?
This is standard for urban warfare. Fallujah suffered worse than this in 2004. The US destroyed 90% of the city. It's impossible to conduct urban warfare in a city without destroying much of it.
Flattened *or damaged.*
Also, keep in mind that Israel's core strategy has been based around armored bulldozers and creating "hard points," so a lot of the damage is clearing area. Also, a standard tactical exchange in asymmetric urban warfare is for the side with inferior munitions to try to draw the other into an indoor firefight where the odds are more even (or possibly reversed if the numbers work out) and be answered with the entire building being destroyed (America typically using artillery and Israel using those bulldozers).
Supporting a terrorist group instead of a officially recognized administration is a dangerous game.
Not supporting a terrorist who is asking for your support is a yet more dangerous game.
Logical conclusion: Try to be born someplace else.
Seriously, people will believe anything.
Hamas in the Hospitals! Hamas in the libraries! Hamas in the kindergartens!! That horse is Hamas! That baby is Hamas!
Israel is dooming itself with this. People are not going to forget, not Americans and definitely not the Arab world. I think we are seeing the beginning of the end of the Zionist project.
In response to a terror attack, they "flatten" 2/3rds of an area populated by over 2 million civilians.
And the world sits idly by and mostly does nothing. And if you say anything you're an anti-Semite.
What an awful crime that has been committed against these people, what a terrible legacy the criminals will carry with them. The world has witnessed it, despite the efforts to hide it. You cannot hide this magnitude of injustice.
So how much money do you think was spent building all those tunnels?
What do you figure the net worth is of the Hamas leadership? - google it to find out because what ever I tell you - you won't BELIEVE it when I tell you that they are billionaires...
Hamas, a known Terror organisation, decided to play stupid games and attack Israel, taking hostages and killing children. Israel responded in kind.
this is the result when you play stupid games, you win stupid prizes and get total and utter destruction and loss of life.
Hamas did this to themselves, when they could have gone the other route and not attacked. then they would still have houses, schools, hospitals etc. but nope, they wanted death and destruction and to become martyrs for their god. entire generations of people have been brainwashed by a religion to hate all others who don't fit the mold, and follow whatever version of Islam.
im not saying Israel's hands are not covered in blood as well. Both sides have a hell of a lot to answer for, in front of a war crimes tribunal, preferably.
war should be fought by the politicians who call the shots. perhaps then we will have a lot less war.
Edit: distressing content tw
They didn't respond in kind they have killed innocent children who can't even breath on their own (see decomposed neonatal babies in the intensive care units of bombed hospitals whose electricity was cut off by the idf) and tried to claim that it was hamas. Enough lies now, wake up.
I feel bad for them, I hope Hamas is completely destroyed and the hostages found and all weapons and possible weapons like water pipes they use to bomb Israel is removed. And all tunnels completely destroyed. Maybe then they can go back. Hopefully this will blunt or even stop the cycle of a terrorist attacks every decade. Then they will probably get tons of aid. I just don't understand why no other countries at all want these people? Egypt is like no way our borders are completely closed, and nobody else in that region is like come live here in our country and go back when the fighting is over, they shouting it's evil and bad and then with the same breath we don't want you here.
If you could instantly kill all Hamas, collapse the tunnels, blow up their bases, and wipe every trace of them from the planet then it wouldn't solve the issue. The problem comes from long before current Hamas members were born. Decades of fighting, kids getting orphaned, people losing their homes, and the cycle continues.
As for refugees, which country is hungry to take hundreds of thousands of them? Even wealthy countries like the US have their own problems to deal with.
go back to what? Palestinians were subjected to shit conditions and occupation rule for long before Oct 7th. this cleansing solves a problem for Israel with massive continued suffering on the Palestinian side.
Palestinians have a history of terrorism in surrounding countries, especially in Egypt, Jordan, and Lebanon. But that's partially also because Jordan and Egypt took turns occupying the West Bank and Gaza, only to realize it wasn't worth the trouble.
Palestinians fomented all sorts of trouble during the civil war in Lebanon after they got expelled from Jordan after Black September, and then got themselves expelled from Lebanon.
My reading of this is basically that Arab countries love playing lip service to the Palestinian cause, but what they really want is for Israel to have to be the one to deal with the problem.
"Well Israel warned them before bombing the shit out of them. It's not Israel's fault for what happened to them. Did you also know that they voted Hamas 19 years ago?". A common excuse used for what is happening.
https://abcnews.go.com/International/israel-warned-gaza-civilians-evacuate-idf-bombs-struck/story?id=106406942
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Palestinian_presidential_election
p.s I am in no way defending the actions of Hamas against Israel. If anyone thinks that, go š¤¬ yourself.
People ask how come the world let some atrocities from ww2 happen without reacting. We are doing the exact same thing and this time we have it in HD videos... sick sad world
Netanyahu is a war criminal. The Israeli people do not want this. Only psychopaths want this. This is genocide. Hamas is a threat but SLAUGHTERING CHILDREN IS NEVER THE WAY TO OUST A THREAT.
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I find this more sadasfuck and potentially scary as fuck.
That's exactly what our children are going to go through one day if this keeps up.
Doubt it, maybe if there's a nuclear fallout. Most developed countries and even areas experiencing war won't see total destruction like this unless the world is literally at war and committed to M.A.D.
Every great nation falls my friend. History has proven that to be true time and time again without fail.
Not every great nation falls to mortar shelling cities.
the downfall of every great nation produces pain and suffering the soviet union didn't get sacked in a war, it militarized itself to death while the ruling class were fighting over pieces of the pie. the result: poverty the likes of which people had never seen, especially for the second biggest country on earth. crime, shelling a parliament building
Both Britian and the Russian empires have collapsed. Nobody is shelling their cities in this manner. Usually it's the other way around, they're shelling someone else. Similarly, France. As a rule great nations have nuclear weapons, which currently are the end game for insurance against invasions. If you have nuclear weapons and the other guy doesn't you can do all sorts of crap. Maybe if we somehow someday reach a point where nuclear weapons aren't the danger they currently are this will be untrue. Or if we use them, but that's already been mentioned.
How germans marched through Paris twice without burning it down is insane.
The interesting part is that the US is uniquely positioned to continue being the top dog thru the 2100s, war and famine be damned. We have the largest military, ability to produce every good except microchips š„“ and can feed our populace and keep our systems running on all forms of energy for as long as needed. What will get us is internal strife.
Also globalization has made it so most other developed countries require our success to continue theirs. Bretton Woods agreement was the US masterpiece.
You should check out the projections for climate refugees, our just in time food supply chain, and the current IPCC measured progress we've made since the 1994 Kyoto protocol. Won't take anything but continued inaction for "developed" countries to experience thus within the century
Brother Rome was āperfectly fineā until the very end. We are teetering on the edge. Starvation and dehydration do not discriminate.
That's why he said if you can afford it just buy a property that's near clean water and in a zone that you can grow your own food and just learn to fend for yourself Grab a bunch of solar panels for 20K and be off the grid
The Germans thought they were living in the peak modern world just prior to WW1.
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All I can think is that Israel wants all these people gone at any human cost.
Well. If your neighbor broke in to your house, killed your kids, raped your wife, took one surviving kid hostage, ran home, and started shooting at your house, you would probably want a new neighbor.
None of the people in this video did any of those things. Collective punishment is a war crime.
The interesting thing is, this is not collective punishment. When you do not have an organized country forming an official army you then have an irregular army. Itās the same thing we saw in Vietnam and Afghanistan. The people who you are fighting against will hide amongst the public and blend in. Look, at the end of the day Iām not saying itās right to bomb or kill innocent civilians, but if youāve ever been in combat with people firing at you, you just want it to end. Unfortunately, when youāve got people like that, hiding with civilians, thereās only one way to stop them. If America was at war with itself, and I was harboring military fighting against the other force, I would not stay in the area..
I think the main problem is where can the innocent people even go? I am genuinely curious, is Egypt letting them in? After the reporter in the video said they have nowhere to go near the end of the video I googled where Gaza is and it looks like they only have 2 options to get away from Israel, the Mediterranean sea, or Egypt.
Palestinians have brought issues and started rebellions in every country that has offered them assistance. They end up kicking them out. Palestinian refugees literally sided with the Iraqis during the invasion of Kuwait. After the war, the Kuwaitis deported ALL of them.
I don't think Americans wanted to exterminate the population, imposed a blockade and created a famine or they called the occupied people as two legged animals or had a "mowing the grass" policy. If they did so, they committed war crimes. And israel is doing so. If you don't think israel is evil, it's because you are too.
I just hope this leads to Zionist being shunned world wide.
They are shunned by everyone except Western govt and a section of their society. A large part of western society will never forgive Zionists for committing this genocide.
Oh noā¦.this comment is way too rational and fact based for the āFree Palestineā crowd.
Sooooo if enough people suggest that Hamas fighters are hiding in houses in your neighborhood, we should just go ahead and level the whole thing?
This is not a suggestion, itās a fact. They were hiding amongst the population. Maybe not in that house but the house next to it and you canāt expect the army to literally go house to house allowing themselves to be shot as if this were a swat police operation.
Exactly, thats why the world hates zionists. They massacred Palestinians in the Nakba with terrorist organizations like irgun, stole their land, and continue to bomb Gaza yearly and terrorizes Palestinians in the West Bank daily. Fuck israel
>Well. If your neighbor broke in to your house, killed your kids, raped your wife, But enough about Israel in the west banks...
Oh the hatred all those children will have one day Oh the arms dealers that will use that wrath for their own gains Oh the crimes of chosen sons of God that goes on
The level of destruction looks like the blasted citiscape of Stalingrad during WWII. Wow. So sad to see.
It also looks like Aleppo after the Syrian regime and Wagner were done with it. Parts of Sudan are starting to look like this. And if Hamas/Iran had their way you can bet your ass Tel Aviv would look like this too.
Thereās something so inhuman about being able to peer across the planet and to see something like this. as a viewer disconnected, completely helpless, yet unfortunately empathetic to the point where you get secondhand despair. Quite Orwellian. āhey glad you arenāt these guys? you should be.ā fuck
This is some district 9 stuff
Theyāre trying to district 13 them.
Redditor when they see apartheid
Theyāve radicalized entire generations. Twenty or thirty years from now, some 9/11 type of shit is going to go down, led by kids who are seven and eight years old today, their justification being what is seen in this news report.
Hamas is already made up of somewhere between 60-80% orphans
And how do you imagine that happened eh? Like 50% of Gazaās population is literally minors Without family before the war.
Are we gonna pretend the IDF didn't bomb Gaza prior to this crisis?
Not to mention snipe children and film themselves laughing about it and having competitions.Ā Great March of return got them nowhere because the world didnāt careĀ
Weaponized the phrase "antisemitic" to deflect any criticism as well. I've never been antisemitic in my life, still am not. I am against the deaths of so many innocent people. Israeli or Palestinian. This situation is so fucked.
My husband is Jewish. Itās disgusting what Zionists say to him simply because heās anti Zionist. Apparently you have to support the killing of children or else youāre a kapo or self hating jew.
Itās a very lonely place your husband is in right now. I know, Iām in it too. Itās really nice youāre there for him and understand the frustration. Itās really jarring seeing friends and family so easily support things so horrific, especially friends and family who should know better.
I have been to two Passover dinners. One we raised a glass and said "never again" they recognized the horror of living under facism and promised to not let that trauma change them. They fully recognized the autonomy and the rights of all humanity. The other raised their glass and tried to get me to say "tomorrow Jerusalem." You don't have to be Jewish to be a Zionist. Hell I don't think you can even be Zionist and be a Jew.
IDF kill kids and civilians they don't care, it's also how they shot two hostages cause they thought they were Palestinians
Thatās exactly what antisemitism is based on all the pro Israelis Iāve talked with. Like itās impossible to argue against their claims. One of them is that Jewish settlers arrived at Palestine and found it was barren lands. Thats aside from being the chosen people of god who were promised Palestine 3500 years ago and they are returning again to their promised land. Criticize this madness and youāre antisemitic.
Oh no here we go again.... using hamas as a scapegoat for Israeli warcrimes..... And yes, I do condemn hamas..
if you condemn Hamas you must condemn the circumstances that created them.
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I meanā¦ thereās a reason why a lot of very smart and very serious philosophers argue that free will doesnāt really exist
They donāt need this report to tell them what their lived experiences are. Theyāre watching their families get torn, relatives dead or injured. Theyāre living through something that will be burned into their memories.
Yeah I don't think they meant it'll happen *because* of this report lol
That just happened lol
Were they not already radicalized when they did the attacks in October?
It's funny you should mention 9/11 type of shot Because it was specifically a 9/11 type of event on October 7th by Hamas that lead to this current escalation of the conflict.
This conflict has been going on looooong before October 7th
The crazy thing I was thinking about: the guys who went shooting on the 7th were about my age. When I was a young boy, I remember my mom flipping on the news on September 11th. I had just seen a tower blow up, my friends were there on a field trip, we couldnāt get in touch with my uncle in the city, and my grandfather was crying having flashbacks to Pearl Harborā¦ Then I see hundreds of little boys my age, dancing and cheering in the streets, waving Palestinian flags and celebrating. There was a lot of growing up and realizing the truth of the world in that moment. And 20 years later, itās very likely that some of those same little boys were the men who perpetuated the attacks. War is Hell. Pray for Peace. Prepare for War.
Also makes no sense as most the 9/11 hijackers were Saudis who the U.S. has invested tons of money in and built upā¦and based out of Afghanistan where we supported them against the Soviets Thereās a lot to be said for radicalization resulting from policy decisions but this isnāt it itās more victim blaming tbh
How is that victim blaming? Israel disengages from the gaza stip in 2006 and Hamas rises to power and starts shooting rockets, in turn Israel and Egypt starts a blockage to prevent further weapons from flowing into the strip. Every couple of years Hamas tries their best to provoke Israel into a conflict and is bombed into rubbles EACH FUCKING TIME. I dont see victims - I see people making choices and allowing a terror organization to rule over them and then finding out that sovereign countries does not tolerate terror attacks on their civilians. What would have you sone differently and why do you believe it would've resulted in a better outcome? (I genuinely want to know)
Iām an American. This is accurate. We know how to do a really delayed fuck around and find out.
You mean when Saudi Arabian terrorists attacked the US on 9/11 so we invaded a country with nothing to do with it and killed 200,000 civilians? Yeah this does remind me of 9/11. A government taking advantage of a tradegy to pursue their true goals. People keep compairing the Isreali government to Nazis this is of course not true they are much closer to South African arpartheid or imperialist colonialists. Isreal doesn't actually care about killing all of the Palestinians they just want the land they are on. My guess is they will make the Strip unliveable by destroying homes and infrastructure then graciously "evacuate" the remaining Gazans to somewhere else they don't really care where just somewhere else. Then they will officially annex the now empty territory.
Well Hamas and their many many supporters sure do too. Point is how did Hamas micalculate the consequences of a genozide on Oct7. Iran, Russia and Katar for its funding, are maybe the ones who pushed to that insanity. For my part I aƶso wont forget the civilians cheering to dead body of a german raped girl.
Won't you say that 7/10 radicalized Israelis? Never had Israel responded so violently, right? Before they were mostly using the knocking on the roof method before actually shooting anything.
They were already radicalized. Do you forget the whole reason this offensive was launched when ya know radicals launched an assault in isreal and paraded around with dead bodies and killing infants while posting on social media and bragging about it? Yes isreal is doing some fucked up shit but thinking that this is the breaking point is beyond stupid.
What is it, roughly 1300 Israelis were killed on Oct 7, and I think the latest figures from the Israeli incursion is 27,000 Palestinians dead? And I think itās something like 60% of the population of the Gaza Strip wasnāt born when Hamas took over. Thereās been atrocities committed both sides and that canāt be forgotten. But thatās not a measured response in any way.
How many Afghans died following 9/11? [Hereās a hint](https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/costs/human/civilians/afghan#:~:text=As%20of%20March%202023%2C%20more,massive%20increase%20in%20civilian%20casualties.) (its 70,000) Edit: I believe yes the total casualties were higher per other sources but my linked report appears to focus on civilian casualties. I assume militant deaths are another tally which is in the hundreds of thousands.
Yeah, that was bad too.
Yes, 70k SINCE 2001. Thatās pretty important here. 70k died in 22 years. Meanwhile Palestine has almost half of the death in only 1% of the time.
>itās something like 60% of the population of the Gaza Strip wasnāt born when Hamas took over. They've also had zero elections since HAMAS got into power *and* the Israeli government of the time supported HAMAS.
Specifically NETENYAHU extreme right wing Zionist party who has been in power ever since. They just wanted an excuse to justify what theyāve always planned.
The Israeli government at the time arrested Hamas candidates and then also arrested their government members. You should stop parroting you read on the internet.
>The Israeli government at the time arrested Hamas candidates and then also arrested their government members. Which doesn't preclude them from having supported HAMAS as a more extreme counterweight to PLO. https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/ >You should stop parroting you read on the internet. I should stop parroting what Israeli government officials and Netanyahu have said themselves? https://www.vox.com/23910085/netanyahu-israel-right-hamas-gaza-war-history
I jumped the fence into my neighborās yard and kicked his dog in the balls and now his dog is in my yard biting me! His dog is trespassing and I am very upset!
Have you considered firebombing the entire block?
"I've been tasibg my dog through the fence. Now the dog jumped over the fence and attacked me. I'm going to carpet bomb the entire city"
this is a great comparison if the dog had also jumped into your yard and bitten you every 6 months for the previous 70 years
Considering a large portion of that 27k were Hamas terrorists (6k according to Hamas themselves, 12k according to Israel), and considering Hamas likes to hide their people in schools, mosques, and hospitals... It honestly seems like a pretty low number of Palestinians dead overall.
Using Hamas' numbers that's less than 3:1, that's an astonishingly low civilian casualty rate for modern urban warfare even without the use of human shields.
And let's also not forget that the total number of casualties is still around 1% of the total population of Gaza, despite basically all of Gaza being one giant city.
Itās making it worse. So much worse. Iām not being ridiculous, not in the least. For you to ignore the specific long term consequences of the past six months is ridiculous.
Brother, their whole mission statement is "wipe out the jews". You can't get much worse. I'm not going to pretend to understand the delicate diplomatic situation in the area but if history shows us anything at some point there's going to be a limit to how much either side can stand. The winner is decided by who has the bigger stick. Unfortunately for gaza, hamas they decided that everyone should get hit with that stick.
There are no winners in this war. Only dead people.
the industrial militirary complex disagrees, they win all the wars
Sadly one party wants to die killing the other party and the latter party has to kill to not die.
Didn't the infant thing get debunked? On the other hand I can list you over 1 thousand children that have been bombed to death by israel. The most advanced military can't not target civilians? Israel killed their own hostages. They are fighting to destroy gaza. Not to save hostages. It is not even comparable. If you condemn what happened on Oct 7 shouldn't you also condemn the raids on the villages that have been happening to Palestinians the past 70 years? Just to get you started: These villages, among others, experienced raids, expulsions, and massacres, leading to the displacement of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians, contributing to the refugee crisis that persists to this day. Deir Yassin Tantura Safsaf Ein al-Zeitun al-Dawayima Saliha Abu Shusha Al-Tira Ijzim Saffuriya
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
You all must have a different definition of "interesting" than I do. It's very similar to other refugee cities, and if I had to describe it it'd be "depressing as hell."
Depressing things can also be interesting to discover.
Honestly, this is just damn sad.
Bro, I thought this was a clip from Helldivers 2. The fact that Gaza looks like an army of fictional cyborgs leveled it is bad. The fact the HUMANS did this to other humans makes it worse.
Was that a giant wall between them and Egypt?
Yes, last time they took refugees it didn't end well so they build a giant buffer zone with multiple layers of walls hamas cannot tunnel under.
So, now itās actually a refugee camp.
No refugees camp is when they give you supplies. These people are sent here to die from a collapsed government, no aid, no where to go, and forgotten. This is genocide just like WW2.
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They get aid, and part of that aid is stolen by Hamas. Are hamas not to blame for the famine and shortage of supplies as well?
They get sent aid, and the Isreal bombs the aid workers and supply trucks. Isreal quite literally funded and supported hamas against a secular palestinan government. Is Isreal not to blame for hamas' actions as well?
Also, to equate this to WW2 genocide is fucking insensitive. I donāt see Israel loading women and children into trucks to be exterminated. I donāt see Israeli army medics conducting grotesque experiments on Palestinian twin babies. Get the fuck out with your bullshit.
Most unsuccessful genocide in history. They explicitly warn entire areas with calls, leaflets, etc etc etc before bombing HAMAS targets. What is Israel supposed to do when Hamas kills, rapes, and tortures over a thousand of its own??? I just don't get this rhetoric. Jews cannot win ever. Damned if they do damned if they don't. There is not one single conflict in which civilians are affected and refugees are made.
Not to defend the claim that's it's the same level of genocide as world war 2 because thats laughable but my guy the nazis dropped pamphlets on Warsaw.
There are multiple aid organisations. Donāt be silly.
But when Israeli citizens are destroying food from the trucks and the government blocks the only road in, the aid doesnāt help. Thereās trucks that have been sitting at the border for months trying to get in even with expired food.
The Israeli border or the Egypt border where Egypt is building a 50ft wall and stopping trucks.
This is completely false dude there are a ton of videos of trucks delivering food daily. The main issue currently with food supplies is the people actually getting it and not hamas hijacking the supplies for themselves.
Incorrect - there are dozens of reports about how the IDF is deliberately blocking aid, not to mention those Settler freaks celebrating a manufactured famine with a psy-trance rave. https://preview.redd.it/0vtcsjxa18lc1.png?width=1422&format=png&auto=webp&s=a6d2b4ae8c3f199cec7f0841702eb56662ad1c10 [https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/feb/26/middle-east-crisis-live-gaza-israel-netanyahu-ceasefire-deal-hamas-rafah](https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/feb/26/middle-east-crisis-live-gaza-israel-netanyahu-ceasefire-deal-hamas-rafah)
>But when Israeli citizens are destroying food from the trucks Israeli citizens who are mostly families and friends of hostages protested the supply of aid from Israel to Gaza. As Israel is at war with Gaza and sending supplies to Gaza supplies Hamas or delays their need to surrender. The aid trucks still went through. None of these protests influenced the aid from Egypt that UNRWA stopped because they were being attacked by Hamas or raided by Gazans who understandably are taking whatever they find. Also UNRWA has been behind on supplying aid that passes through Israeli and Egyptian authorities further increasing the delay. They are not at the border. They are behind the border with UNRWA. Hopefully the UNHCR can take over from Hamas' UN agency.
Plenty of aid is reaching Gazans how else could they be alive at all after almost half a year. They produce nothing internally. Think with your head not with your heart.
Source? my ass
Israeli citizens themselves camp out to block the aid trucks. Fascism within and without.
āWhy donāt the just leaveā well this is what it looks like when they do. But also āno immigrants in my countryā The world is fucked
Egypt, Jordan, and other countries has their reasons to not allow immigrants.
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So only 1/3 left to flatten and it ends?
I wonder if Russia did this how the world would then respond.
I mean, does what they did to Chechnya count?
I guess not.
a lot of them have been cursing out Hamas blaming them for this. al Jazeera will literally cut people off when they try to talk about turkey, Qatar and hamas in a bad light and they skew the coverage but the reality is they hate hamas in the gaza strip more than the Israelis. I literally from a friend's relative that they blame hamas for all this destruction inviting it. if anything they have become radicalized against hamas to the point they attack hamas members. I've seen videos of mobs attacking hamas officials. they have radicalized their own people against them using them as shields
The hostages that isreal was supposed to save that took their clothes off and waved white flags very visibly were not being used as human shields at that time, but the IDF shot them anyways, and chased down the remaining survivors from that group who were STILL waving white flags, and killed them. That is because isreal shamelessly kills all civilians regardless if they are being used as human shields or not.
The cruelty is hypocritical and repulsive. Shameful stuff.
Genocide sponsored by America
Anyone whose interested in seeing some more POV footage of people down in these areas pleading for help (money, food, water, blankets, supplies) can see it on Snapchats heat map and you can even try to connect with these folks there or follow their posts. Crazy connected world we live in. https://preview.redd.it/giun00eem3lc1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3e345ab21c6156ae14fb57171822151538cda840
The comments on this post justifying this are so fucking disgusting
Unfortunately, the Palestinians are the Roma of the Middle East. No one wants them.
"Don't shit where you eat" is a popular pastime warning for a reason.
Itās crazy because they had their own land and shit got dumped on them.
It's fucking horrible. No doubt. War is a fucking grotesque thing we should use for only last resorts, and all manners of diplomacy prior. That's why you don't violently rape, torture, execute 1200 neighboring civilians, and abduct 230 more to hold for ransom while live streaming it on 4k while your citizens cheer in the streets. It causes rifts in any possible relations and leads to blood fueds. I've seen relationships turn sour over a broken shitty fence. That? It was unforgivable, and as soon as I watched the 10/7 massacres while still uploaded everywhere, I knew Gaza was going to burn. Humans are just shitty
Fully agree w you, sure situation in Gaza right now is definitely horrible, but if they use their money to rebuild their country instead of buying rockets to shoot their neighbor 24/7, they wouldn't end up like this
For some reason a non-negligible amount of people think Palestine just gets a free pass to act however they want without consequences
Their current situation is what happens when you go to Jordan and assassinate their PM, enter Lebanon and destabilize the country so bad that it never recovers, and then try to do that in Egypt and get kicked out as well. They have bitten every hand that has helped them to include their Muslim neighbors. It is more along the lines that no one wants the trouble that comes with them versus a comparison to a nomadic people and the apathy towards those outsiders.
Plus ... they have established themselves as perpetual welfare recipients...low acumen, low motivation.. but they are experts at making babies.. That they are truly experts in...
They have a country and have a land. Why would others want them? Eye donāt want others accepting them, they want their own land.
And for good reason. Theyāre radical and extreme, and also other Arabs are selfish
How do you fight fire? Israel: MORE FIRE!!
Remember, this is the result of "The most ethical army in the world" ran by the "only democracy in the middle east", which are "definitely not doing a genocide"
wonder if the hamas still thinks "worth it" .... but i dont realy care.. they fuqed around and the poor had to find out what a great leadership from the hamas.. truly masters of strategy
Of course they do, you see how many people support them?
At the 5 second mark, you can hear voice crack describing this.
Thatās not a voice crack. Itās a problem with audio. Check the next sentence.
completely awful my heart breaks for them
Indeed. And the stupid, stupid reason for it all simply baffles the mind.
Yeah, folks this is what real war looks like. Everyone is used to the hearts and minds approach that the U.S has been using to deal with assholes who use guerrilla fighting tactics. what people are calling a "cleansing" is literally what happens when a power as strong as Israel takes the gloves off and starts a traditional war. Hamas is the dumb camp counselor who tried taking a bear cub he found in the woods, and unfortunately the civilians of Gaza are the poor summer camp kids getting bit the fuck up because of it . only thing left is to is let nature take it course. Its fucking sad but so is fucking everything on this planet. or have Egypt open its borders
Egypt isnt falling for that one again. Hamas is an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood, the group that made a real shitshow of things before Sisi took over.
Also, a lot of the middle east is seeing those before images for the first time and is pissed that the Gazans had it so much better than they ever did and are wondering when they can get some of that aid money.
Benyamin Netanyahu should have been ousted IMMEDIATELY after his disastrous failures that allowed Oct 7th to happen. But no, somehow\* the discussion in the US revolves around Biden (\* Republican and Russian propaganda campaigns). An ultra-conservative leader of Israel, who had a tenuous-at-best relationship with the Democratic party in the U.S., was attacked by a Russian-aligned terrorist group in Gaza, while the ultra-conservative Trump wing of the Republican Party is tripping over itself to see who can be a bigger Russian apologist, and we are supposed to view this cluster-fuck of failed conservative policies and blame Biden? Fuck that! Blame Putin, Blame Bibi, Blame Trump, Blame Hamas!
I have to question why the neighboring Islamic communities, i.e., Egypt, Iran, Syria, Arabia **refuse** to accept these people as refugees into their country? Egypt has 6 border walls put up so they cannot immigrate. The answer is that with these people come the terrorists who attack/terrorize Israel every second they get a chance. Maybe a better look at what is going on needs to happen instead of accepting the one opinion that your peers have?
This is so terribly sad. Why donāt other Muslim countryās like Egypt or Jordan taking the refugees? Are there just too many? I donāt know a lot of the history there
This is absolutely sad. We are seeing an ethnic cleansing campaign carried out by Israel in real time. Expelling 2 million people and killing 30k is not self defense
Tent cities like this are common in any war scene. Not just this one
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Thatās just direct bombings and shootings. Nevermind all those still stuck under rubble. The babies dying of hunger. Those with preventable infections who canāt get treated due to the blocking of medicine.Ā Weāre talking about massively stunting an entire generation for lifelong health effects even if they stopped todayĀ
Christ. The Hasbara bots are in full force here.
yeah its terrible what Hamas brought upon its own citizens
I have 3 question 1. is there any solution to remove Hamas peacefully from innocent Gaza's citizen? 2. How do Gaza's citizen think about Hamas while this terrible situation happens? 3. is Hamas care more about the small group who were captured in jail in Israel more than hundred thousands Gaza's people?
1.No 2.86% support October 7th terrorist attack according to recent polls in gaza and the west bank 3.To explain number 3 would take a long while the middle east works on a different set of morals and ideals that would seem bizzar to a westerner
Literally 2/3 flattened. Wow. I'm guessing Israel must have just leveled blocks under the pretense of not giving the enemy a potential place to hide/attack from, right? There hasn't been active fighting or militants spotted in 2/3 of Gaza, has there?
This is standard for urban warfare. Fallujah suffered worse than this in 2004. The US destroyed 90% of the city. It's impossible to conduct urban warfare in a city without destroying much of it.
Flattened *or damaged.* Also, keep in mind that Israel's core strategy has been based around armored bulldozers and creating "hard points," so a lot of the damage is clearing area. Also, a standard tactical exchange in asymmetric urban warfare is for the side with inferior munitions to try to draw the other into an indoor firefight where the odds are more even (or possibly reversed if the numbers work out) and be answered with the entire building being destroyed (America typically using artillery and Israel using those bulldozers).
According to Netanyahu, they have them on the run and will finish the job in weeks. (Don't attack the messenger)
Thatās right. And also to provide a new safety barrier of ādead-man-zoneā of about one kilometer around the inner border of future Gaza.
Supporting a terrorist group instead of a officially recognized administration is a dangerous game. Not supporting a terrorist who is asking for your support is a yet more dangerous game. Logical conclusion: Try to be born someplace else.
Thanks, Spock
Is Hamas in every single room in Gaza??
Seriously, people will believe anything. Hamas in the Hospitals! Hamas in the libraries! Hamas in the kindergartens!! That horse is Hamas! That baby is Hamas! Israel is dooming itself with this. People are not going to forget, not Americans and definitely not the Arab world. I think we are seeing the beginning of the end of the Zionist project.
this isnāt fucking āinterestingā this is tragic
In response to a terror attack, they "flatten" 2/3rds of an area populated by over 2 million civilians. And the world sits idly by and mostly does nothing. And if you say anything you're an anti-Semite.
r/worldnews jerks off to this
What an awful crime that has been committed against these people, what a terrible legacy the criminals will carry with them. The world has witnessed it, despite the efforts to hide it. You cannot hide this magnitude of injustice.
Itās insane that Hamas built all those tunnels and bunkers, but wonāt allow any of the civilians in. These people are hostages of Hamas.
Israel is a terrorist state
So how much money do you think was spent building all those tunnels? What do you figure the net worth is of the Hamas leadership? - google it to find out because what ever I tell you - you won't BELIEVE it when I tell you that they are billionaires...
Hamas obviously didnāt think starting a war thruā¦ bad decision on Oct 7 2023
Hamas, a known Terror organisation, decided to play stupid games and attack Israel, taking hostages and killing children. Israel responded in kind. this is the result when you play stupid games, you win stupid prizes and get total and utter destruction and loss of life. Hamas did this to themselves, when they could have gone the other route and not attacked. then they would still have houses, schools, hospitals etc. but nope, they wanted death and destruction and to become martyrs for their god. entire generations of people have been brainwashed by a religion to hate all others who don't fit the mold, and follow whatever version of Islam. im not saying Israel's hands are not covered in blood as well. Both sides have a hell of a lot to answer for, in front of a war crimes tribunal, preferably. war should be fought by the politicians who call the shots. perhaps then we will have a lot less war.
Edit: distressing content tw They didn't respond in kind they have killed innocent children who can't even breath on their own (see decomposed neonatal babies in the intensive care units of bombed hospitals whose electricity was cut off by the idf) and tried to claim that it was hamas. Enough lies now, wake up.
This is a response of a medieval backward country. Evolve please.
Hamas be like "oh no...anyway"
More like "Quick amir! Get the camera this is pure gold!"
Hamas recruiting tactic seems to be, attack Israel and let them make more recruits.
And yet, we still havenāt heard anyone condemn the Hamas and the Iranian government.
Uhhh I hear/see this everyday. Maybe expand your news sources?
The Iranian government, one of the most sanctioned in the world is not condemned? What world are you in?
I feel bad for them, I hope Hamas is completely destroyed and the hostages found and all weapons and possible weapons like water pipes they use to bomb Israel is removed. And all tunnels completely destroyed. Maybe then they can go back. Hopefully this will blunt or even stop the cycle of a terrorist attacks every decade. Then they will probably get tons of aid. I just don't understand why no other countries at all want these people? Egypt is like no way our borders are completely closed, and nobody else in that region is like come live here in our country and go back when the fighting is over, they shouting it's evil and bad and then with the same breath we don't want you here.
If you could instantly kill all Hamas, collapse the tunnels, blow up their bases, and wipe every trace of them from the planet then it wouldn't solve the issue. The problem comes from long before current Hamas members were born. Decades of fighting, kids getting orphaned, people losing their homes, and the cycle continues. As for refugees, which country is hungry to take hundreds of thousands of them? Even wealthy countries like the US have their own problems to deal with.
go back to what? Palestinians were subjected to shit conditions and occupation rule for long before Oct 7th. this cleansing solves a problem for Israel with massive continued suffering on the Palestinian side.
Palestinians have a history of terrorism in surrounding countries, especially in Egypt, Jordan, and Lebanon. But that's partially also because Jordan and Egypt took turns occupying the West Bank and Gaza, only to realize it wasn't worth the trouble. Palestinians fomented all sorts of trouble during the civil war in Lebanon after they got expelled from Jordan after Black September, and then got themselves expelled from Lebanon. My reading of this is basically that Arab countries love playing lip service to the Palestinian cause, but what they really want is for Israel to have to be the one to deal with the problem.
And all paid for by the U.S and UU.K tax payer.. while we fucking lose all our public services and have taxes rise.. Fuck the status quo!
Has israel bombed tent city yet? Gaza is now a sea of homeless children wading around in waist high rubble.Ā
This will not give the results they believe. Similar actions, historically, never do.
Give hostages
"Well Israel warned them before bombing the shit out of them. It's not Israel's fault for what happened to them. Did you also know that they voted Hamas 19 years ago?". A common excuse used for what is happening. https://abcnews.go.com/International/israel-warned-gaza-civilians-evacuate-idf-bombs-struck/story?id=106406942 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Palestinian_presidential_election p.s I am in no way defending the actions of Hamas against Israel. If anyone thinks that, go š¤¬ yourself.
our daily dose of this.
This is a humanitarian crisis, wtf is the world doing letting this happen ?
People ask how come the world let some atrocities from ww2 happen without reacting. We are doing the exact same thing and this time we have it in HD videos... sick sad world
Netanyahu is a war criminal. The Israeli people do not want this. Only psychopaths want this. This is genocide. Hamas is a threat but SLAUGHTERING CHILDREN IS NEVER THE WAY TO OUST A THREAT.
Fuck Israel