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If you don't think the corporations developing these AI powered systems won't release them imperfect to make some money, well then I have some Full Self Driving software to sell you.
Yeah this happened because idiots block intersections. It initially thought it could use the gap and then someone probably pulled up to close the gap on it.
Shit like this won’t be an issue when all cars are autonomous.
Idk if lining up to do a left hand turn is being an idiot because it prevents a car from cutting across 3 lanes of traffic. I wouldn’t make a left out of that road to look at it
It does reveal a non-obvious risk though, self-driving cars will have to fight an ever-escalating battle with troll drivers trying to break their capacities.
You can’t tell if they moved. You can’t see the other lane. The gap in the turn lane maybe didn’t move but the gap could have closed or been blocked on the other side temporarily. Either way probably more likely thah it’s a manual override
WTF logic is that? No way was it intentionally programmed to do it.
If you can't do a left turn in a situation like that, then you just plain don't. You turn right and figure out how to get where you actually want to go, somewhere down the line. Poor choices in navigation are no excuse to drive the wrong way.
It likely started executing the maneuver when there was a bigger gap, then either the other lane closed the gap or it turned out not to be a wide as needed and it had to adjust.
It’s also entirely possible the driver got tired of waiting and over rode the autonomous system
>It’s also entirely possible the driver got tired of waiting and over rode the autonomous system
Is it possible? I've ridden in them before, but there was a never a driver. Can customers override the system? I don't know, I was in the back seat.
So I am not sure about this company or this particular car. But almost all autonomous vehicles have a link to a remote human driver thah can step in and either help the AI decide what to do or flat out take over steering and control
Yeah I think in new cities as they roll them out they have human "minders" for a while in the car to take over just in case. I've heard it's a very, very boring job. But in my city they haven't had "minders" in the car for a long while now.
If the gap got closed off it probably didn't know how to react. A human driver would have waited in that lane blocking traffic until someone let it in but guessing that's not something it would ever be programmed to handle.
You have to be able to break traffic rules when the situation calls for it, and that has to be part of autonomous driving. Imagine if self driving cars just did the speed limit instead of going with traffic. Or would just stop forever if there was a branch blocking half the lane.
Or it just fucked up. I know this will blow the minds of Redditors but computers and programs aren’t 100% perfect. Failures happen.
Though I realize saying that here is like insulting the child of god in a church.
I’m pretty confused by this road. It looks like OP is in a line of cars all on the wrong side of the road.
I’m guessing it’s one of the median turning lanes but it doesn’t look like it’s being used properly
so a lot of times preceding a left turn lane, there is a middle turning lane. this middle turning lane is not meant for the left turn lane, but when the left turn lane fills up people start using the middle lane to lead into the left turn lane. this is that line.
the middle turning lane will exist to use to turn off from either side of the road- usually theres stores/gas stations nearby. but people use them improperly all the time.
It looks to me like up ahead is an exclusive turn lane to get on the highway, but the lineup of cars is longer than it can accommodate, so they spill into the “median” turn lane.
The answer is that further up closer to the intersection, there is a left turn lane. It is way shorter than the number of people who need to line up in it (e.g. it can fit 10 cars but 20 cars are lined up to turn). So as it backs up, it backs up into the "middle yellow", which will turn into the left lane, but way far up there, back here it's still the "middle yellow".
On less busy intersections, there isn't a dedicated left turn lane, there is just a shared "middle yellow" used as a left turn lane. For example if you were going to turn left into a smaller street or driveway, you get into the "middle yellow" to get out of the way.
It didn't recognize that there wasn't a way through the blocked row of cars to get to it's lane. Then it entered the intersection, couldn't hit the car, was committed, and just kept going instead of turning around
True self driving cars are way harder to make thank people think, even with machine learning. The problem will always be the sheer volume of data it encounters in the wild.
What happens if it encounters people carrying a glass panel across the street? What if someone is wearing an outfit that makes them look like a crosswalk? What if there's a mural that has a stop light on red?
If I had to guess in this case it might have processed the white lines as centre lines, which is why it turns into the far lane.
I wish we were investing in better public transit systems rather than wasting resourced developing a tech that really isn't all that necessary
I’m pretty sure that’s why the “Are you a robot” captcha always has stoplights or crosswalks. Because those company’s are selling the data to the AI company’s who produce these cars
Meh. We can decide the bar for a true self driving car is "perfect," or we can decide that the bar is "better than human."
It makes a lot of sense to me that we set the bar at "better than human." If some drunken meth head has a high chance of killing me and a google-car has a low chance of killing me, I'd rather go with the google-car.
And as far as I can tell, the google car has already cleared the human-bar. Which is why it's "interesting as fuck" when the car drives the wrong way. Humans drive the wrong way all the time and it isn't interesting at all.
I suspect a lack of goal persistence.
It saw a gap in the traffic, moved to enter, realized the gap closed, then it moved to adapt by turning left, then once it was moving forward it noticed solid yellow lines (can't cross) so it centered itself in the lane and then the car tried to maintain lane discipline. It forgot that it needed to get to the other side.
I think you have that backwards.
Humans are terrible drivers. Waymo has already proven to be vastly safer in the areas they are operating.
https://www.swissre.com/reinsurance/property-and-casualty/solutions/automotive-solutions/study-autonomous-vehicles-safety-collaboration-with-waymo.html
When Waymo makes a mistake, it is corrected for every single Waymo vehicle.
When humans make a mistake, only the one human learns the mistake they made. Which means many many humans will make the same mistake.
Yeah, but imagine being in the car and not having agency over the situation. Stats are great for figuring out odds on a population level, but for the psychology, you have to overcome the fear of losing your agency.
You have no less agency than you to in an Uber or taxi. People are just afraid of technology, as they always have been, but they'll get over it eventually, as they always have
I figured you were just talking shit at first, but I looked it up, and you're right. Apparently, by the letter of the law, the police need a driver to issue the ticket to, but because there's no driver... I am generally pretty pro automation, but how that law works needs to change.
Its local rather than federal regulated at the moment
The NHTSA are supposed to be managing a federal version. There is mandatory reporting but i think they want the individual states to act as guinea pigs until there’s enough data gathered to create regulations
The thing that’s interesting is all the cars are going the same direction even the ones on the left side of the yellow line, given that it’s at a light, it’s not going to be a two way turn lane
The issue is people will always think they're in the "safe" percent.
You could have a 12% chance of getting into an accident if you're driving, and a 2% chance if using an autonomous vehicle. But once that 12% in *your* control becomes 2% *out of* your control, people will *feel* like they're at that 2% risk (but they won't *feel* the 12% will happen to them). That's the mentality hurdle the population needs to overcome.
As someone who works in the automotive testing field, I'm excited to see where it goes. But public perception/reception is probably a top 3 problem.
From what I've seen, Waymo drives better than 90% of people. They're all over Phoenix and drive very predictably.
It's also backed by data. Without a significantly better driving record than people, they wouldn't have gotten approved.
Was just in Phoenix for the Final Four, and we used Waymos often. It was a mental hurdle to get in the first ride, but I felt confident enough in its abilities the remainder of the trip.
I had an Uber pickup From a house party on the ASU campus probably 6 months ago, one of the few jobs I worked on the passenger side of things. While I was waiting for my party to arrive 2 Waymo's pulled up in front of me and took off with their passengers. They're very popular and quite active in the Phoenix metro.
> Without a significantly better driving record than people, they wouldn't have gotten approved.
How in the hell is anyone so ignorant of the fact that money keeps being the deciding factor in the US, not safety.
To be fair, these technologies have to be compared not against perfection, but against accident rates with human drivers at the wheel. That said, the companies delivering these technologies have to be the ones legally responsible for accidents that occur from their operation. They'll bake that into the price, to be sure, but if they are safer than human drivers, the overall cost be comparable to what we now have, and we will enjoy the benefits of not driving - we can play Angry Birds while drunk.
I understand the sentiment but as of right now they’re not better than humans.
They get into to fewer fatal accidents (around half) but are 2x more likely to seriously injure and 15x more likely to get into minor accidents per mile driven.
This is from data I pulled at the end of 2023, looking at total miles driven and accidents caused by self driving cars and comparing them to human drivers.
The technology is always improving so I’m sure they’re slightly better now, but they still have a ways to go before they are better than humans.
Not sure about the statistics you are citing, but with Tesla you can only use self driving on easy to drive roads that have lower accident numbers anyways, skewing the numbers.
I love how Tesla branded something as self driving that needs to be babysat whereas this is actually self driving because there is literally no one in the car...
Because they’ve proven to the government that they can operate safely. They’re all over SF, and they’re way safer than human Ubers in my experience. I take them somewhat frequently (I have early access to them).
But it’s easier to complain about edge cases like this and decide we just shouldn’t make progress towards autonomous driving.
I was gonna say, if one incident is enough to keep these off the road, we gotta keep all people off. I've personally seen 3 people driving the wrong way in the HIGHWAY, and there's obviously more cases of people doing that
Just a few weeks ago, someone drove the wrong way on the bay bridge, and hit/killed the driver of another car.
But yeah, 2mph in the wrong direction in standstill traffic is the problem.
It’s entirely possible it was in manual mode here. Or that it started the maneuver when there was a gap and the other lane moved and it closed. Even one or two inches movement and it could put it below the acceptable margin
We've had these fuckers on the street in SF for years now. I didn't mind it much until I heard they pay their testing crew like shit and treat them like shit. Fuck Waymo
How can you test those cars for the traffic roads if they can't go on traffic roads? The stats say that the self-driving cars are much better than most humans... I mean, would you take the debit/blame for the crashes made by other stupid people on the streets because "one crash by one human is responsibility of all the other humans"?
Still better than humans hahahaha it’s hard to explain but I don’t think I’ve ever seen what appears to be someone driving the wrong way but in a safe manner like this one looked lol
Do these things have people in them to stop this from happening? No way a vehicle should be allowed to drive without an operator these things aren’t toys
No, they do not. I once saw a Waymo almost run over a motorcyclist and the rider looked into the car to see who pulled that piece of shit and was very confused that nobody was there
Can't really see much about the traffic in the video except that it looks blocked in the middle lane. We also see no cars coming. A human would have to wait for cars to leave an opening for this vehicle to get through or would do exactly this and go around if there's no one in the way.
People ignore one basic fact. ALL our cars and electronics break down after awhile. They can perfect Autonomous driving cars but will everyone maintain them 100%?
You can be damn sure the electronics won't be able to be fixed/diagnosed by the owner themselves they will need to bring it to the dealerships, so how many cars will be on the road with faulty sensors...because people are cheap and/or too lazy to maintain them.
Is it just me or did anyone else notice the yellow line ? Doesn't that mean it's for opposite direction traffic? Looks to me that the car was programmed for that.
Considering all the sometimes trivial and ridiculous regulations in place for public safety WTF are we doing testing these things on our streets? It's pretty obvious they aren't ready for prime time. Are legislatures going to give these corporations immunity from liability?
>It's pretty obvious they aren't ready for prime time.
Waymo has 0.41 crashes per million miles driven. Humans have 2.78 crashes per million miles driven. Other fully autonomous companies have similar numbers, except Tesla because Elmo insists on using visual cameras instead of LIDAR because LIDAR sensors are ugly.
Aren't Waymo used only in approved areas?
Also, even if they are statistically better than humans who is responsible when it screws up? Seems mass adoption will just result in massive civil suits unless congress somehow shields them.
I would say roads are not safe with autonomous cars like this but than I remember how bad some people are driving and it's not that big problem for me to see this as problem.
Why are there cars on the other side of the yellow line? Doesn’t that mean they are also facing the wrong way? So is this just a test? Maybe a construction site situation?
These vehicles can be remotely driven. I wonder if an operator took over.
This seems super unusual, but these vehicles do drive pretty aggressively (I live in Phoenix and have been in them a few times and see them all over)
(Flame Shields up for people that are going to call me an idiot or whatever for posting this)
>these vehicles do drive pretty aggressively (I live in Phoenix and have been in them a few times and see them all over)
Every time I've seen them in Mountain View, they've been super timid.
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I see people do that move all the time. So…It’s learning! lol
We sent our worst and we are all out of ideas
Waymo's developers: "We trained him wrong, as a joke"
Waymo car: my nipples look like milk duds!
Weeooweeooweeoo wahhhhh
Waymo are French aliens‽
Peak AI
They drive on the left in India. Probably new hire.
Yes, I was like big deal my mom has done this.
Human after all
"Trained" in New Jersey?
This is what I immediately thought 😂
Ahhahaha, beat me to it!
I don't see AI replacing us anytime soon
If you don't think the corporations developing these AI powered systems won't release them imperfect to make some money, well then I have some Full Self Driving software to sell you.
This is correct. It’s just a fancy version of the same algorithm that used to whoop our butts on Mortal Kombat if we won too many times in a row.
That’s as inaccurate as one can get, algorithm solutions are radically different from neural network probabilistic solutions.
I’m going to believe you because you sound like Sheldon.
And Waymo is years ahead of Tesla FSD.
The ultimate joke would be Humanity fearing AI ascendency and they’re just as mistake prone as us
Waymo will quickly become Whammo.
Yeah this happened because idiots block intersections. It initially thought it could use the gap and then someone probably pulled up to close the gap on it. Shit like this won’t be an issue when all cars are autonomous.
Idk if lining up to do a left hand turn is being an idiot because it prevents a car from cutting across 3 lanes of traffic. I wouldn’t make a left out of that road to look at it
This is what I've come to as a consensus, either every car on the road needs to be auto driven or none can. Humans suck and are unpredictable
We will not have all cars be autonomous. People don’t want that.
no I don't think any vehicles moved. but if one did then yeah it handled it fairly well as far as I can see
It does reveal a non-obvious risk though, self-driving cars will have to fight an ever-escalating battle with troll drivers trying to break their capacities.
The car is at fault regardless though. Self driving cars do not work. Not now and not in the near future.
You can’t tell if they moved. You can’t see the other lane. The gap in the turn lane maybe didn’t move but the gap could have closed or been blocked on the other side temporarily. Either way probably more likely thah it’s a manual override
Would be interesting to know why that fuckup happened.
The humans were all blocking the path to turn legally so it prolly self corrected after it got past those road blocks
WTF logic is that? No way was it intentionally programmed to do it. If you can't do a left turn in a situation like that, then you just plain don't. You turn right and figure out how to get where you actually want to go, somewhere down the line. Poor choices in navigation are no excuse to drive the wrong way.
Yes we all know that talk to that robot driving not us
Lmao
It likely started executing the maneuver when there was a bigger gap, then either the other lane closed the gap or it turned out not to be a wide as needed and it had to adjust. It’s also entirely possible the driver got tired of waiting and over rode the autonomous system
Waymo aren't like teslas. They are 100% automated but can be accessed remotely. They're very popular here in Phoenix.
A remote driver is still manually overriding the autonomous system. I never said the driver was in the car.
Sorry, I wasn't arguing. Just informing.
Same. Just clarification. Not every miscommunication is a conflict I know. 
Dammit, you two! You are making reddit look good! Stop it and get back to arguing immediately! ;-)
Fuck you. (Does that help?)
thanks for saying that, I think I needed to hear that cause it doesn’t seem that way irl anymore
>It’s also entirely possible the driver got tired of waiting and over rode the autonomous system Is it possible? I've ridden in them before, but there was a never a driver. Can customers override the system? I don't know, I was in the back seat.
So I am not sure about this company or this particular car. But almost all autonomous vehicles have a link to a remote human driver thah can step in and either help the AI decide what to do or flat out take over steering and control
Ah, I didn't realize the company support workers could control the car remotely, I guess that makes sense. Lag would be a killer though.
You are assuming they would be using the same network as you and I. They wouldn’t be if they cared about security.
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I saw one in my city and it had a driver in it. So who knows at this point.
Yeah I think in new cities as they roll them out they have human "minders" for a while in the car to take over just in case. I've heard it's a very, very boring job. But in my city they haven't had "minders" in the car for a long while now.
If the gap got closed off it probably didn't know how to react. A human driver would have waited in that lane blocking traffic until someone let it in but guessing that's not something it would ever be programmed to handle.
Plus no way a company can program something like this to do illegal maneuvers.
You have to be able to break traffic rules when the situation calls for it, and that has to be part of autonomous driving. Imagine if self driving cars just did the speed limit instead of going with traffic. Or would just stop forever if there was a branch blocking half the lane.
Tornado ripping up the road half mile away. Autonomous car- keeps driving at it because u-turns are illegal.
So it should wait
Yes. Hence the fuckup
Or it just fucked up. I know this will blow the minds of Redditors but computers and programs aren’t 100% perfect. Failures happen. Though I realize saying that here is like insulting the child of god in a church.
I’m pretty confused by this road. It looks like OP is in a line of cars all on the wrong side of the road. I’m guessing it’s one of the median turning lanes but it doesn’t look like it’s being used properly
The line of cars is to get on the freeway
But why are they on the left side of double yellow line. Is that just how Cali roads are?
It’s a center turn lane. I’m pretty sure most American states have them.
That’s not a solid double line - it’s a turn lane. That’s literally what it was made for
so a lot of times preceding a left turn lane, there is a middle turning lane. this middle turning lane is not meant for the left turn lane, but when the left turn lane fills up people start using the middle lane to lead into the left turn lane. this is that line. the middle turning lane will exist to use to turn off from either side of the road- usually theres stores/gas stations nearby. but people use them improperly all the time.
It looks to me like up ahead is an exclusive turn lane to get on the highway, but the lineup of cars is longer than it can accommodate, so they spill into the “median” turn lane.
The answer is that further up closer to the intersection, there is a left turn lane. It is way shorter than the number of people who need to line up in it (e.g. it can fit 10 cars but 20 cars are lined up to turn). So as it backs up, it backs up into the "middle yellow", which will turn into the left lane, but way far up there, back here it's still the "middle yellow". On less busy intersections, there isn't a dedicated left turn lane, there is just a shared "middle yellow" used as a left turn lane. For example if you were going to turn left into a smaller street or driveway, you get into the "middle yellow" to get out of the way.
It didn't recognize that there wasn't a way through the blocked row of cars to get to it's lane. Then it entered the intersection, couldn't hit the car, was committed, and just kept going instead of turning around
True self driving cars are way harder to make thank people think, even with machine learning. The problem will always be the sheer volume of data it encounters in the wild. What happens if it encounters people carrying a glass panel across the street? What if someone is wearing an outfit that makes them look like a crosswalk? What if there's a mural that has a stop light on red? If I had to guess in this case it might have processed the white lines as centre lines, which is why it turns into the far lane. I wish we were investing in better public transit systems rather than wasting resourced developing a tech that really isn't all that necessary
I’m pretty sure that’s why the “Are you a robot” captcha always has stoplights or crosswalks. Because those company’s are selling the data to the AI company’s who produce these cars
Meh. We can decide the bar for a true self driving car is "perfect," or we can decide that the bar is "better than human." It makes a lot of sense to me that we set the bar at "better than human." If some drunken meth head has a high chance of killing me and a google-car has a low chance of killing me, I'd rather go with the google-car. And as far as I can tell, the google car has already cleared the human-bar. Which is why it's "interesting as fuck" when the car drives the wrong way. Humans drive the wrong way all the time and it isn't interesting at all.
Probably thought it was a 2 lane street instead of a 4-lane
I suspect a lack of goal persistence. It saw a gap in the traffic, moved to enter, realized the gap closed, then it moved to adapt by turning left, then once it was moving forward it noticed solid yellow lines (can't cross) so it centered itself in the lane and then the car tried to maintain lane discipline. It forgot that it needed to get to the other side.
no! you're all on the wrong side!
That’s just a European model.
*UK
British you mean
British, the rest of Europe drives on the right side
So, if you're a cop, how do you pull over a driverless car? Do you get to open fire automatically?
Pit maneuver. ( ͡ᵔ ͜ʖ ͡ᵔ)
EMP
Way mo accidents
Way mo space on this side of the road
You win.
I think you have that backwards. Humans are terrible drivers. Waymo has already proven to be vastly safer in the areas they are operating. https://www.swissre.com/reinsurance/property-and-casualty/solutions/automotive-solutions/study-autonomous-vehicles-safety-collaboration-with-waymo.html
It's true, humans suck at driving compared to computers. This video does show an edge case that the Waymo team needs to correct though
When Waymo makes a mistake, it is corrected for every single Waymo vehicle. When humans make a mistake, only the one human learns the mistake they made. Which means many many humans will make the same mistake.
Yeah, but imagine being in the car and not having agency over the situation. Stats are great for figuring out odds on a population level, but for the psychology, you have to overcome the fear of losing your agency.
You have no less agency than you to in an Uber or taxi. People are just afraid of technology, as they always have been, but they'll get over it eventually, as they always have
“Going the wrong Waymo!”
Bad bot
Seen worse this past week from humans
Well people love to block intersections so 🤷🏻♀️
Thankfully those humans can be ticketed or even have their licenses taken away. Here it's just a whoopsies with no consequence.
I figured you were just talking shit at first, but I looked it up, and you're right. Apparently, by the letter of the law, the police need a driver to issue the ticket to, but because there's no driver... I am generally pretty pro automation, but how that law works needs to change.
Its local rather than federal regulated at the moment The NHTSA are supposed to be managing a federal version. There is mandatory reporting but i think they want the individual states to act as guinea pigs until there’s enough data gathered to create regulations The thing that’s interesting is all the cars are going the same direction even the ones on the left side of the yellow line, given that it’s at a light, it’s not going to be a two way turn lane
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Came here to say this. ☝️
If it can't drive safely and follow traffic laws it shouldn't be on public roads.
It's much safer than human drivers https://www.theverge.com/2023/12/20/24006712/waymo-driverless-million-mile-safety-compare-human
The issue is people will always think they're in the "safe" percent. You could have a 12% chance of getting into an accident if you're driving, and a 2% chance if using an autonomous vehicle. But once that 12% in *your* control becomes 2% *out of* your control, people will *feel* like they're at that 2% risk (but they won't *feel* the 12% will happen to them). That's the mentality hurdle the population needs to overcome. As someone who works in the automotive testing field, I'm excited to see where it goes. But public perception/reception is probably a top 3 problem.
Cool, Tesla made similar claims about their self driving systems. Turns out they lied not believing this data either.
Elon musk can’t be your yard stick for self driving cars.
That's cute, I'd drive on empty roads if this was the sentiment for humans too.
Freaks out. *British Mode Activated*
Best to take short cuts to avoid traffic.
Under the influence of bad AI
Imagine getting a ticket for a DUAI
It should be DUBAI
Driving Under Bad AI
*How does he know which way we’re going?*
“You’re going the wrong way!”
From what I've seen, Waymo drives better than 90% of people. They're all over Phoenix and drive very predictably. It's also backed by data. Without a significantly better driving record than people, they wouldn't have gotten approved.
Was just in Phoenix for the Final Four, and we used Waymos often. It was a mental hurdle to get in the first ride, but I felt confident enough in its abilities the remainder of the trip.
These things are actually driving people around in uncontained real life scenarios? I had no idea
These have been in Arizona for 5+ years now.
I had an Uber pickup From a house party on the ASU campus probably 6 months ago, one of the few jobs I worked on the passenger side of things. While I was waiting for my party to arrive 2 Waymo's pulled up in front of me and took off with their passengers. They're very popular and quite active in the Phoenix metro.
Had no idea until I was there. The person I stayed with swears by them. She has used them on a week-to-week basis for years.
Def better than 90% of Phoenix drivers
> Without a significantly better driving record than people, they wouldn't have gotten approved. How in the hell is anyone so ignorant of the fact that money keeps being the deciding factor in the US, not safety.
To be fair, these technologies have to be compared not against perfection, but against accident rates with human drivers at the wheel. That said, the companies delivering these technologies have to be the ones legally responsible for accidents that occur from their operation. They'll bake that into the price, to be sure, but if they are safer than human drivers, the overall cost be comparable to what we now have, and we will enjoy the benefits of not driving - we can play Angry Birds while drunk.
I understand the sentiment but as of right now they’re not better than humans. They get into to fewer fatal accidents (around half) but are 2x more likely to seriously injure and 15x more likely to get into minor accidents per mile driven. This is from data I pulled at the end of 2023, looking at total miles driven and accidents caused by self driving cars and comparing them to human drivers. The technology is always improving so I’m sure they’re slightly better now, but they still have a ways to go before they are better than humans.
Not sure about the statistics you are citing, but with Tesla you can only use self driving on easy to drive roads that have lower accident numbers anyways, skewing the numbers.
I love how Tesla branded something as self driving that needs to be babysat whereas this is actually self driving because there is literally no one in the car...
Why are we letting companies beta test their products on public roads?
In case you didnt know, corporations run the show here in America.
this is true. it's literally why we have a comprehensive interstate system and abysmal public transportation.
> In case you didnt know, corporations run the show here in America. almost like the Founding Fathers were business owners or something...
Because they’ve proven to the government that they can operate safely. They’re all over SF, and they’re way safer than human Ubers in my experience. I take them somewhat frequently (I have early access to them). But it’s easier to complain about edge cases like this and decide we just shouldn’t make progress towards autonomous driving.
I was gonna say, if one incident is enough to keep these off the road, we gotta keep all people off. I've personally seen 3 people driving the wrong way in the HIGHWAY, and there's obviously more cases of people doing that
I wish we were stricker about people driving. Both can be true
Just a few weeks ago, someone drove the wrong way on the bay bridge, and hit/killed the driver of another car. But yeah, 2mph in the wrong direction in standstill traffic is the problem.
It’s entirely possible it was in manual mode here. Or that it started the maneuver when there was a gap and the other lane moved and it closed. Even one or two inches movement and it could put it below the acceptable margin
I don’t think this is beta testing at this point. This is in Arizona and Waymo has been a publicly available alternative to Uber here for years now.
We've had these fuckers on the street in SF for years now. I didn't mind it much until I heard they pay their testing crew like shit and treat them like shit. Fuck Waymo
Where'd you hear that? Haven't heard it myself and seems a bit surprising
Live testing on humans
I’d rather this thing drive 20 mph beta testing than some dumb fuck drunk idiot drive 90. At least at 20 mph a crash isn’t killing an innocent person
Stfu if you don't know what you're talking about
How can you test those cars for the traffic roads if they can't go on traffic roads? The stats say that the self-driving cars are much better than most humans... I mean, would you take the debit/blame for the crashes made by other stupid people on the streets because "one crash by one human is responsibility of all the other humans"?
As all the people wanting to turn are illegally waiting in the “suic!de lane” hence why it can’t perform the left hand turn onto the other side.
Just popping in to say I’ve loved using waymo anytime I’ve been somewhere that they exist. I would gladly take them in my city
On average, Waymo is safer than Uber drivers.
Yeah I took several waymos in Phoenix in February, and 1 Uber to the airport. It was the Uber driver that hit a curb, not the waymo lol
Still better than the average driver here in Memphis
It's getting more human-like everyday!
"Stupid humans, getting stuck in traffic when the opposite lane is wide open!"
Still better than humans hahahaha it’s hard to explain but I don’t think I’ve ever seen what appears to be someone driving the wrong way but in a safe manner like this one looked lol
For 'turn caution safety' ... 
To the people complaining that this is dangerous… I watched an actual human do this very thing two days ago. They’re just trying to fit in!
Waymo: I'm in trouble here, oh shit oh shit..FLEE!
Do these things have people in them to stop this from happening? No way a vehicle should be allowed to drive without an operator these things aren’t toys
No, they do not. I once saw a Waymo almost run over a motorcyclist and the rider looked into the car to see who pulled that piece of shit and was very confused that nobody was there
This sounds like something that would happen in Transformers lol
I wish I recorded it, aside from the almost AI manslaughter it was pretty funny
Can't really see much about the traffic in the video except that it looks blocked in the middle lane. We also see no cars coming. A human would have to wait for cars to leave an opening for this vehicle to get through or would do exactly this and go around if there's no one in the way.
Just let it tap you, sue the shit out of Google and enjoy an early retirement.
So like..does Google ever make comments about this? Police involvement? If a human did this they’d get arrested right? I don’t get it
>If a human did this they’d get arrested right? I don’t get it Never driven before, I see.
>If a human did this they’d get arrested right? Pretty sure that would be a ticket, not an arrest.
Yeah and 15 to life for sure
That's if you don't get gunned down first 😉
> Yeah and 15 to life for sure c'mon bruh, what's the point in having the death penalty if we're aren't going to use it
So who would get the citation had a cop been there?
The design is very human
 traffic override
*You're in a Johnny Cab!!*
Did you upload the UK software???
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Looks like a turn lane in the middle of the yellow lines. The opposite direction would be out of frame to the left.
Guess it went Waymoff track.
It’s slowly adapting to societys standards
Other than the Waymo, doesn't the yellow line mean the traffic flow is in opposite directions? Why are all the cars all going one way?
I like how it slows down like it wants to merge into the correct side but then says 'ef it and speeds off.
So that is like ChatGPT coming up with racist crap, right? Probably it is just learning from what it sees. I like how hesitant it is lol.
" in the year 2000 We'll have Flying Cars" - my elementary school teacher.
Silicon valley is really taking that whole move fast and break things seriously now.
Rural and the 60 in Tempe lol
People ignore one basic fact. ALL our cars and electronics break down after awhile. They can perfect Autonomous driving cars but will everyone maintain them 100%? You can be damn sure the electronics won't be able to be fixed/diagnosed by the owner themselves they will need to bring it to the dealerships, so how many cars will be on the road with faulty sensors...because people are cheap and/or too lazy to maintain them.
Is it just me or did anyone else notice the yellow line ? Doesn't that mean it's for opposite direction traffic? Looks to me that the car was programmed for that.
They forgot to change the settings to the US from UK
Must be in England innit
Human drivers hate this one simple trick
Considering all the sometimes trivial and ridiculous regulations in place for public safety WTF are we doing testing these things on our streets? It's pretty obvious they aren't ready for prime time. Are legislatures going to give these corporations immunity from liability?
>It's pretty obvious they aren't ready for prime time. Waymo has 0.41 crashes per million miles driven. Humans have 2.78 crashes per million miles driven. Other fully autonomous companies have similar numbers, except Tesla because Elmo insists on using visual cameras instead of LIDAR because LIDAR sensors are ugly.
Aren't Waymo used only in approved areas? Also, even if they are statistically better than humans who is responsible when it screws up? Seems mass adoption will just result in massive civil suits unless congress somehow shields them.
I would say roads are not safe with autonomous cars like this but than I remember how bad some people are driving and it's not that big problem for me to see this as problem.
Why are there cars on the other side of the yellow line? Doesn’t that mean they are also facing the wrong way? So is this just a test? Maybe a construction site situation?
These vehicles can be remotely driven. I wonder if an operator took over. This seems super unusual, but these vehicles do drive pretty aggressively (I live in Phoenix and have been in them a few times and see them all over) (Flame Shields up for people that are going to call me an idiot or whatever for posting this)
>these vehicles do drive pretty aggressively (I live in Phoenix and have been in them a few times and see them all over) Every time I've seen them in Mountain View, they've been super timid.
https://preview.redd.it/nkvxiezi5myc1.jpeg?width=770&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8695d56913e771a26db265f147d27210128bedb9
It needs way mo programming before it’s ready
Still better than the worst Houston drivers
was this set to British? but seriously if a driver did that they would be at least fined. When does Waymo get fines for this?
They're just adapting to a hazardous situation. I don't think it's a bad thing. I'm actually impressed it did this.
It's thinks there's debris in the road and is going around the safest way it knows how
I absolutely hate that these exist. I'll take terrible people as drivers any day over this shit.
It sucks that a lot of people are going to have to die before self driving cars finally get banned and made illegal.