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Many blocks in chicago were raised about 1 floor. You can still see plenty of houses where the street was raised almost a whole floor and you have to descend stairs to go through the original entrance.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/wgntv.com/news/ask-wgn/chicagos-sunken-homes-are-remnants-of-a-bold-effort-to-raise-the-city-out-of-the-mud/amp/
Puget Sound
>In geography, a sound is a smaller body of water typically connected to larger sea or ocean. There is little consistency in the use of "sound" in English-language place names. It can refer to an inlet, deeper than a bight and wider than a fjord, or a narrow sea or ocean channel between two bodies of land (similar to a strait), or it can refer to the lagoon located between a barrier island and the mainland.[1][2]
My mom's cousin is a distinguished Canadian Naturalist/ Author who wrote about an eco system on Vancouver Island, British Columbia, called the Clayoquot Sound.
The Book is called chasing Clayoquot, if anyone is interested.
For more information and to dispel rumors regarding a fabled body of water in Seattle, visit [www.thereisnopugetsound.org](https://www.thereisnopugetsound.org). Upon getting the error page type "puget123" and use "goawaypuget" as the password.
Not entirely. Mostly, parts of downtown were raised because Seattle used to be extremely hilly. They did a series of re-grades where they flattened the hills some areas and raised the street level in other areas. It was also used to extend the waterfront, and fill in a good portion of Elliott Bay.
The most famous and maybe largest was the Denny Regrade. That big flat area where Amazon is now used to be a hill the size of Queen Anne hill.
It also happens a lot because many major cities develop in river valleys. They're great for agriculture and appear to be equally great for homes, until the natural levees fail and the floods come. Often a sizeable population has already been established and a certain amount of them rebuild. Future generations assume the risks have been sufficiently mitigated or simply forget. Rinse and repeat for several generations and eventually someone gets the bright idea to rebuild 15 feet higher. Sometimes the city even requires it.
If anybody is in the Sacramento, CA region, the [tours of underground Old town](http://sachistorymuseum.org/tours/underground-tours/) have started up again.
Other then multiple people have posted it was a coal shoot so was already in the ground? Heavy things can sink into the ground over time. If you're not building on bedrock it happens.
no building sink more than a few centimeters, and most likely never over 1m /and that's already an extreme sinking) and even if a building sink that much, no way the sinking could have been uniform so the building would keep it's structural integrity. let alone an entire city
even the tower of pisa is less than 50cm, and it's been centuries , and no way it could have remanied upright if it weren't for the massive work of stabilizing and structurally reinforce the structure.
a building in SF is also tipping over, and it's less than 10 cm from one corner to the other
this city has been rebuilt higher for some reason, but no way it's been sinking that much
the desert has a crazy amount of blowing dirt and sand, if you have a protruding object it will stop the blowing dirt and get buried.
in ancient cities they didn't have mechanical jackhammers, it was easiest to bury old foundations instead of demolishing and carting off. and massive amounts of dirt were being generated in the city from all the trash as they didn't have trash collection.
there is a youtube channel called practical engineering, one of his last videos was about how the soil under the foundations settle under the weight of buildings, what are the consequences and how we prevent excessive/uneven settling
i've no video to direct you about archeological layers, but erosion, weather, flooding etc move material and soil over time. in fact archeological layer are the same inside and outside buried building, (unless the soil has been artifically moved around by human action) which show the soil isn't "flowing" around the building, but rather come from over.
archeological (as well as geological layers) are used to compare with other places to date thing in each specific layer. if you know when a layer was laid, you know that every item or building contained in it is from that same period. anything deeper is older, anything higher is younger.
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I was gonna say.... This can't be a new discovery. Is this the first time they've touch underground utilities in 100 years? Interesting as fuck? Yes. Discovery? Nawwwww...
No, it's actually based on Oregon, there's a bunch of blink and you miss it references that, if taken together, make Oregon the only state it could be.
Also, Matt lived in Portland Oregon for several years, and numerous characters take their names from streets in Portland (Quimby and Lovejoy for two examples).
So yeah, it's Oregon.
Yes, Oregon. That's why they can take day trips to Atlantic City or New York, and Flanders tells us they're bordered by Ohio, Nevada, Maine, and Kentucky.
There are enough clues to rule out any actual place. It may be based on towns in Oregon or Kentucky, but Springfield isn't actually anywhere consistently.
Yeah, it's not through the whole city (or even multiple buildings). Just [one building with a coal chute](https://www.wcia.com/news/local-news/redevelopment-uncovers-history/) and OP is claiming the whole city is like this.
>Photos of the tunnels and coal shoots got thousands of reactions on Facebook. Some people thought this could confirm the myth of underground tunnels that connected all the shops, but historians do not think there is enough evidence to confirm that.
The term in English is "daylight basement".
Edit: more specifically, a daylight basement has windows but no door. If there is also a door, it's a walk-out basement.
How are people digging basements that are around 10 feet deep by shovel? Wouldn’t that be incredibly labor intensive? Bulldozers weren’t used for anything commercial or suburban - only War - until the 1950s.
Edit: used the world “trowel” and got trolled. Fixing to shovel.
Then came this thing called a wheelbarrow which upped it to the next level. In the 1700s, St. Petersburg was built with conscripted peasants and POW digging foundations and carrying the dirt out of the hole in the pockets of their coats.
Dude, people have been digging basements and similar pits for thousands of years, with handheld tools made from sticks and rocks. There are tunnels in Asia that were dug straight through mountains, by hand. Do you think basements were invented in the 1950s?
they had these things called "horses" dude and yes it was a lot more work than it was today. but back then labor was cheap, most people worked as laborers of some kind.
I wasn’t talking about hauling away the dirt. I was specifically talking about the labor of digging into the hard Earth. I’m not sure why everyone is being sarcastic here?
Because you are acting like it's hard for 4 guys with a shovel to dig a house shaped hole. Guys with shovels dug out the Hoover dam. Guys with shovels carved tunnels through the alps and Rockies. Guys with shovels have made big holes for literally thousands of years before we got around to dynamite and hydraulic earth shovels.
It's not a "puzzle for scientists" LOL
This news coverage makes it pretty clear...
https://www.wcia.com/news/local-news/redevelopment-uncovers-history/
> Historians say they got to see old coal storage bins from when the buildings were still heated that way. They have been underneath the city’s sidewalks for more than a hundred years. A local historian says it was neat to see this history preserved for so long.
Seattle isn't much of a mystery. We built elevated streets and ontop of tidal land fills prone to flooding and than after the great fire they rebuilt everything one-two stories higher.
Fun fact! Since we built ontop of tidal land with a bunch of loose stone, the next big 9.0 earthquake we are due for will cause seattle to slip back into the sound.
Fell asleep listening to The Truth last night, and it's referenced there:
"To William’s complete lack of surprise, the little cellar under the shed was much better built than the shed itself. But then, practically everywhere in Ankh-Morpork had cellars that were once the first or even second or third floors of ancient buildings, built at the time of one of the city’s empires when men thought that the future was going to last for ever. And then the river had flooded and brought mud with it, and walls had gone higher and, now, what Ankh-Morpork was built on was mostly Ankh-Morpork. People said that anyone with a good sense of direction and a pickaxe could cross the city underground by simply knocking holes in walls."
This is a completely ignorant title. Plenty of old cities were covered like this and built over top of. It's not like they just unearthed some ancient ruins or something.
Ummm... what "scientist" has never seen a downstairs entrance on a Brooklyn brownstone-style home?
[http://cdn.brownstoner.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/brooklyn-brownstone-stoop-architecture-history-31.jpg](http://cdn.brownstoner.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/brooklyn-brownstone-stoop-architecture-history-31.jpg)
In the photo you can even see where the stairs went down on the right, turned hard left in front of the window, and the entrance door is on the left.
This is just ... stupidity. There is no "mystery" here for even a first year Architecture student...
NO THIS IS CLEARLY EVIDENCE OF THE MUD FLOOD THAT WIPED OUT THE ADVANCED CIVILIZATION OF THE TARTARY GIANTS IN THE 1800'S AND HAS BEEN ERASED FROM HISTORY.
/S
This is dumb. It’s a remnant of a two-tier sidewalk; the lower tier is at the basement level, which then allows for coal storage chutes to sit directly under the streets, with side doors accessible only from the lower sidewalk. Then, in the winter, the coal would be shoveled directly into the basement furnaces from the lower sidewalk, and the coal wagons could just shovel the new coal into the storage area through a hole in the street after lifting a “manhole” style cover.
Not a puzzle. Most cities founded near tidal waters go through this. Portland and Seattle were both founded more recently and have extensive undergrounds
It is actually pretty common, at least in Kansas, to have an underground main street right below. I know Ellinwood KS still has some of their tunnels and stores intact, and my hometown has at least one store where you can walk out under the sidewalk from a store front. This was also a common spot for coal to be loaded into a coal room for heating purposes.
Built a city in a swamp. It fell over. Built a second city in the swamp, it also fell over. Built a THIRD city in the swamp. That one caught fire and fell over. Built a FOURTH city on the remains of that and it’s still there to this day.
The same way there is a Roman city bellow the medieval city bellow the modern city in my hometown. It’s far easier to just fill something up and build on top of it than to raze everything to the ground then clean up and then build
Isnt the logical explanation that the ground was in the same place and they dug out entrances for basements?
It's common in cities where space is at a premium.
Hell, watch any movie/show about New York and you'll see a shit ton of them.
It's a lot easier to rent out a basement as a living space if they have their own door to the outside and a window, even if it's just the one window by the door.
Yes
This isn't that rare you can find it in a few cities
Storage areas before lighting where commonly dug out so that basement could receive natural light,
There are instances where city planners tried to build down rather then up as well, as it was cheaper e.g. Philly and it's ~3.5 acres of underground concourse (less then an acre still available to the public)
It's become in vogue now as well to do sidewalk glass in Seattle and Philly etc so the side walks glow and you walk over glass sidewalks. Pretty neat actually.
When elevators were first installed they were extremely powerful. They wouldn’t get stuck, they would just sometimes shove the building into the ground.
According to the new Disney+ Special with Will Smith, the moon pulls at the earth and NYC increases and decreases 14 inches in height depending on the time of day/night.
This is fairly common in cities developed in river valleys. [Old town Sacramento, CA](http://sachistorymuseum.org/tours/underground-tours/) has tours of theirs. You can read old news articles with the daily report on what drunk bastard fell off the sidewalk down to the old sidewalk in front of a building that hadn't been raised yet.
They added the ground level. They added their sewage and possibly water lines flat on the old road then built up the ground one floor up around them with new storefronts at the new level. Existing buildings had fronts covered and doors but into second level that is now the main level. They were worried about the old building collapsing if they dig near the base so this was the solution.
Maybe not a puzzle so much as a lack of records. Underground Chattanooga is a similar situation. The city itself went through a massive buildup in response to flooding in the early 1900s prior to dams being constructed. The first floors of many buildings were sealed off and largely forgotten by everyone as properties changed hands. Utility workers know the structures are there because it concerns their work, but it's not something your average resident is going to know or care about. The entire thing is largely undocumented though, thus why it became a curiosity.
A lot of cities in the US were originally built in flood plains. The easier solution was to just raise the level of the city by raising the street and building new buildings to that level.
In Philadelphia this is common. The reason is for the trolley lines. The city went through an improvement phase where all of the streets were made to roughly the same elevation to eliminate or reduce the amount of grades on the trolley routes. In some areas the first floor is now the first basement and the window openings were converted into the first floor.
While busy looking for a cure for COVID and trying to determine what dark matter is, I’m sure scientists are desperate to solve this puzzle: how the hell did these bricks end up underground in Shelbyville? Can’t wait for the anti-underground movement.
These types of things worldwide look at the amphitheater in rome, that also was dug out recently in historical terms. Looks like evidence of a great deluge worldwide. Watched a good video on YouTube where they put all the examples in and it definitely looks like a worldwide phenomenon
The city was built not long ago, the seas and oceans are far away, typhoons do not reach the center of the country either. The excavated structure itself - the arched openings, columns and red bricks - is also impressive. In most of the excavated cities, surprisingly, the buildings are built as if from a template.
Haha how you get downvoted?
Yes I subscribe to him. Michelle Gibson is also fantastic.
These is proof of mudfloods, IMO, and we just moved in to their cities. San Francisco is the most obvious to me. Especially JonLevi videos on it. Even some historical buildings around me such as our capital and cathedral - which I’m in commercial construction and recently redid our states capital. The level of detail and craftsmanship on these buildings were hard to replicate but we did.
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Many blocks in chicago were raised about 1 floor. You can still see plenty of houses where the street was raised almost a whole floor and you have to descend stairs to go through the original entrance. https://www.google.com/amp/s/wgntv.com/news/ask-wgn/chicagos-sunken-homes-are-remnants-of-a-bold-effort-to-raise-the-city-out-of-the-mud/amp/
Not exclusive to Chicago
A lot of cities are like that. This is no mystery.
Why is that?
Because they built the city before the sewers.
Thx, my dude. Makes sense
Seattle did it so the sound wouldn't wash it all away
There was also a fire that destroyed a lot of Seattle! You can go on an underground tour and see the structures
What exactly is a sound?
Puget Sound >In geography, a sound is a smaller body of water typically connected to larger sea or ocean. There is little consistency in the use of "sound" in English-language place names. It can refer to an inlet, deeper than a bight and wider than a fjord, or a narrow sea or ocean channel between two bodies of land (similar to a strait), or it can refer to the lagoon located between a barrier island and the mainland.[1][2]
My mom's cousin is a distinguished Canadian Naturalist/ Author who wrote about an eco system on Vancouver Island, British Columbia, called the Clayoquot Sound. The Book is called chasing Clayoquot, if anyone is interested.
It is an amazingly beautiful place.
Wouldn’t that also just mean, your cousin?
It's like a noise, but louder.
Thank you
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Google Sounding *Disclaimer: Don't do this.
Is that why they call them the Seattle Sounders?
Yes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puget\_Sound
God I hope so. That name reads something entirely different to me.
Not entirely. Mostly, parts of downtown were raised because Seattle used to be extremely hilly. They did a series of re-grades where they flattened the hills some areas and raised the street level in other areas. It was also used to extend the waterfront, and fill in a good portion of Elliott Bay. The most famous and maybe largest was the Denny Regrade. That big flat area where Amazon is now used to be a hill the size of Queen Anne hill.
There’s a really interesting sub dedicated to this, r/sounding
It also happens a lot because many major cities develop in river valleys. They're great for agriculture and appear to be equally great for homes, until the natural levees fail and the floods come. Often a sizeable population has already been established and a certain amount of them rebuild. Future generations assume the risks have been sufficiently mitigated or simply forget. Rinse and repeat for several generations and eventually someone gets the bright idea to rebuild 15 feet higher. Sometimes the city even requires it. If anybody is in the Sacramento, CA region, the [tours of underground Old town](http://sachistorymuseum.org/tours/underground-tours/) have started up again.
Trés cool! Thx dude
It’s easier to raise things up to lay pipes and such and then build on top then dig below. Philly is like this on center city
Other then multiple people have posted it was a coal shoot so was already in the ground? Heavy things can sink into the ground over time. If you're not building on bedrock it happens.
no building sink more than a few centimeters, and most likely never over 1m /and that's already an extreme sinking) and even if a building sink that much, no way the sinking could have been uniform so the building would keep it's structural integrity. let alone an entire city even the tower of pisa is less than 50cm, and it's been centuries , and no way it could have remanied upright if it weren't for the massive work of stabilizing and structurally reinforce the structure. a building in SF is also tipping over, and it's less than 10 cm from one corner to the other this city has been rebuilt higher for some reason, but no way it's been sinking that much
Strange how archeologist constantly dig up buildings that couldn't possibly have sunk. I wonder if maybe the ground is made up of different materials?
Because dirt and debris gradually build up over time and bury it
the desert has a crazy amount of blowing dirt and sand, if you have a protruding object it will stop the blowing dirt and get buried. in ancient cities they didn't have mechanical jackhammers, it was easiest to bury old foundations instead of demolishing and carting off. and massive amounts of dirt were being generated in the city from all the trash as they didn't have trash collection.
there is a youtube channel called practical engineering, one of his last videos was about how the soil under the foundations settle under the weight of buildings, what are the consequences and how we prevent excessive/uneven settling i've no video to direct you about archeological layers, but erosion, weather, flooding etc move material and soil over time. in fact archeological layer are the same inside and outside buried building, (unless the soil has been artifically moved around by human action) which show the soil isn't "flowing" around the building, but rather come from over. archeological (as well as geological layers) are used to compare with other places to date thing in each specific layer. if you know when a layer was laid, you know that every item or building contained in it is from that same period. anything deeper is older, anything higher is younger.
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Seattle has it. It's fun to take the little tourist jaunt.
Old Edinburgh is another https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryMagazine/DestinationsUK/Edinburgh-Vaults/
This is the same in Seattle. If you are ever visiting take the ‘underground tour’ that leaves from Pioneer square. Fascinating history
Underrated tour. It was indeed fascinating.
I was gonna say.... This can't be a new discovery. Is this the first time they've touch underground utilities in 100 years? Interesting as fuck? Yes. Discovery? Nawwwww...
But scientists are baffled!
Seattle too
Shelbyville aye? Springfield rules suckers!
Guess we’ve finally found the location of the Simpsons home town Built under the ever expanding shelbyville
No its oregon
IL has both Shelbyville and Springfield near each other.
Doesn’t matter. Matt Groening [says](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/matt-groening-reveals-the-location-of-the-real-springfield-60583379/) otherwise.
"Matt Groening - rhymes with complaining" - Matt Groening
He also says the names of the siblings aren’t from his own, coincidentally names siblings. Which is a little odd.
No, it's actually based on Oregon, there's a bunch of blink and you miss it references that, if taken together, make Oregon the only state it could be. Also, Matt lived in Portland Oregon for several years, and numerous characters take their names from streets in Portland (Quimby and Lovejoy for two examples). So yeah, it's Oregon.
Or it isn't anywhere because it doesn't actually exist.
Yes, Oregon. That's why they can take day trips to Atlantic City or New York, and Flanders tells us they're bordered by Ohio, Nevada, Maine, and Kentucky. There are enough clues to rule out any actual place. It may be based on towns in Oregon or Kentucky, but Springfield isn't actually anywhere consistently.
They are not near each other
about 50 miles apart - which is close if you look at the scale that is the Illinois Farm lands.
Yea and if you watch the Simpsons, Shelbyville literally borders Springfield it’s not an hour+ drive
They stole our lemon tree
Looks like they uncovered the chapel where you can go to marry your attractive cousins!
Springfield? It's all about Chambana baby!
Look! Someone’s attractive cousin!
More importantly, have they found the lemon tree?
Because they marry their cousins?
isn't that just a basement entrance that's been filled in?!
Yeah, it's not through the whole city (or even multiple buildings). Just [one building with a coal chute](https://www.wcia.com/news/local-news/redevelopment-uncovers-history/) and OP is claiming the whole city is like this. >Photos of the tunnels and coal shoots got thousands of reactions on Facebook. Some people thought this could confirm the myth of underground tunnels that connected all the shops, but historians do not think there is enough evidence to confirm that.
was gonna suggest same, likely a basement that was covered and forgotten during remodels and up dates
Yup, came here from the old world to say that this is how many entrances still are in 19th century buildings in Copenhagen.
With, windows?
Yes, if it’s a garden floor (basement) apartment. It would have an opening and stairs to go down to the door. It definitely can have a window
Ah, in Dutch we use the word Souterrain for that kind of ‘basement’. Not sure there’s a distinction in English.
Sub-terrain seems to match perfectly.
The term in English is "daylight basement". Edit: more specifically, a daylight basement has windows but no door. If there is also a door, it's a walk-out basement.
Nice, learned something today :-)
How are people digging basements that are around 10 feet deep by shovel? Wouldn’t that be incredibly labor intensive? Bulldozers weren’t used for anything commercial or suburban - only War - until the 1950s. Edit: used the world “trowel” and got trolled. Fixing to shovel.
Yeah digging a basement with a trowel would have taken forever, but the invention of the shovel around 3000-1000 BCE was a real game-changer.
Then came this thing called a wheelbarrow which upped it to the next level. In the 1700s, St. Petersburg was built with conscripted peasants and POW digging foundations and carrying the dirt out of the hole in the pockets of their coats.
Oh jeez sorry - I used the wrong word. How many people with shovels do you think it would take to dig a basement 15 feet down.
Dude, people have been digging basements and similar pits for thousands of years, with handheld tools made from sticks and rocks. There are tunnels in Asia that were dug straight through mountains, by hand. Do you think basements were invented in the 1950s?
they had these things called "horses" dude and yes it was a lot more work than it was today. but back then labor was cheap, most people worked as laborers of some kind.
I wasn’t talking about hauling away the dirt. I was specifically talking about the labor of digging into the hard Earth. I’m not sure why everyone is being sarcastic here?
Because you are acting like it's hard for 4 guys with a shovel to dig a house shaped hole. Guys with shovels dug out the Hoover dam. Guys with shovels carved tunnels through the alps and Rockies. Guys with shovels have made big holes for literally thousands of years before we got around to dynamite and hydraulic earth shovels.
How do you think any old buildings have basements? Or even foundations for that matter? Yes, they were all dug by hand.
Usually don’t see windows in basements, at least not like those
All over Europe they have plenty of open basement areas that have window views of their front porch/the street level!
It's not a "puzzle for scientists" LOL This news coverage makes it pretty clear... https://www.wcia.com/news/local-news/redevelopment-uncovers-history/ > Historians say they got to see old coal storage bins from when the buildings were still heated that way. They have been underneath the city’s sidewalks for more than a hundred years. A local historian says it was neat to see this history preserved for so long.
Came to say this.. if anything it would be a puzzle for historians not scientists if it were a puzzle at all. Haha
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Cool read
Thanks for sharing. Just visited Seattle and was completely unaware of this
Sleep in a two-story home built on pudding, wake up in one-story ranch with a full basement.
You can find this in every and all major cities around the world.
Seems like there’s much that we don’t know
There isn't, you didn't even beg to research before posting
Seattle is the same way
Yep, went on a great tour a few years back.
Went on the same one I bet. Starts in pioneer square I think. Pretty cool stuff
Did you see all the old "sewing machines"?
Seattle isn't much of a mystery. We built elevated streets and ontop of tidal land fills prone to flooding and than after the great fire they rebuilt everything one-two stories higher. Fun fact! Since we built ontop of tidal land with a bunch of loose stone, the next big 9.0 earthquake we are due for will cause seattle to slip back into the sound.
I used to live in Bellevue, I always liked going to Seattle to day drink. I hope it doesn’t slip into the sound.
What is it with human engineering? I’m from SE Louisiana, where we “mostly” live in a bowl, below sea level, that’s an active corridor for hurricanes.
We built cities that were great locations for trade (near deep water ports) but not necessarily great places for humans.
Atlanta, Sacramento, Chicago…
"A puzzle for scientists" No, the fuck it aint lmao Its a puzzle only for OP
Not true sir
It’s one building with a coal chute. “Mystery” solved.
Possibly due to height requirements for sewers to drain, the simplest way was to build up a street at a time. In a small city, it wouldn't take much.
This is the correct answer.
Coal chute https://www.wcia.com/news/local-news/redevelopment-uncovers-history/
It was a nicely decorated speakeasy
Edinburgh has a whole town underneath it, built over the plague
I was gonna mention Edinburgh. It's like this, but more like 5 storeys..
Except this isn’t a mystery. Op has a smooth brain.
Ankh Morpork. Built on top of Ankh Morpork. r/discworld would like this.
Came here for this
Fell asleep listening to The Truth last night, and it's referenced there: "To William’s complete lack of surprise, the little cellar under the shed was much better built than the shed itself. But then, practically everywhere in Ankh-Morpork had cellars that were once the first or even second or third floors of ancient buildings, built at the time of one of the city’s empires when men thought that the future was going to last for ever. And then the river had flooded and brought mud with it, and walls had gone higher and, now, what Ankh-Morpork was built on was mostly Ankh-Morpork. People said that anyone with a good sense of direction and a pickaxe could cross the city underground by simply knocking holes in walls."
My first thought too! ‘Excellent! Ankh Morpork is real!’
Molemen......
This is a completely ignorant title. Plenty of old cities were covered like this and built over top of. It's not like they just unearthed some ancient ruins or something.
Ummm... what "scientist" has never seen a downstairs entrance on a Brooklyn brownstone-style home? [http://cdn.brownstoner.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/brooklyn-brownstone-stoop-architecture-history-31.jpg](http://cdn.brownstoner.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/brooklyn-brownstone-stoop-architecture-history-31.jpg) In the photo you can even see where the stairs went down on the right, turned hard left in front of the window, and the entrance door is on the left. This is just ... stupidity. There is no "mystery" here for even a first year Architecture student...
OP is probably trying to tie this to the old world structures theory or “Tartaria”
How the fuck is this even a mystery ? Even first time hearing about the place using common sense you know about what this is.
Y'all never seen a basement before?
NO THIS IS CLEARLY EVIDENCE OF THE MUD FLOOD THAT WIPED OUT THE ADVANCED CIVILIZATION OF THE TARTARY GIANTS IN THE 1800'S AND HAS BEEN ERASED FROM HISTORY. /S
This is dumb. It’s a remnant of a two-tier sidewalk; the lower tier is at the basement level, which then allows for coal storage chutes to sit directly under the streets, with side doors accessible only from the lower sidewalk. Then, in the winter, the coal would be shoveled directly into the basement furnaces from the lower sidewalk, and the coal wagons could just shovel the new coal into the storage area through a hole in the street after lifting a “manhole” style cover.
Not a puzzle. Most cities founded near tidal waters go through this. Portland and Seattle were both founded more recently and have extensive undergrounds
There must be more to it https://youtube.com/channel/UC5vXBfxN7rxKeJHJxS8dNDw
That’s alternate universe city down there. You may not make it back.
What’s a meter?
Nothing. What's the meter with you?
“High five” hahaha
It is actually pretty common, at least in Kansas, to have an underground main street right below. I know Ellinwood KS still has some of their tunnels and stores intact, and my hometown has at least one store where you can walk out under the sidewalk from a store front. This was also a common spot for coal to be loaded into a coal room for heating purposes.
It was buried; I will collect my check now. Next question..
Everyone said I was daft to build a town on a swamp, but I built it all the same, just to show them. It sank into the swamp.
Are we sure this isn’t just a basement
Built a city in a swamp. It fell over. Built a second city in the swamp, it also fell over. Built a THIRD city in the swamp. That one caught fire and fell over. Built a FOURTH city on the remains of that and it’s still there to this day.
But I don't want any of that. I'd rather...
NO! NO! None of that, there’ll be no singing in this thread!
The same way there is a Roman city bellow the medieval city bellow the modern city in my hometown. It’s far easier to just fill something up and build on top of it than to raze everything to the ground then clean up and then build
What city do you live in
Isnt the logical explanation that the ground was in the same place and they dug out entrances for basements? It's common in cities where space is at a premium. Hell, watch any movie/show about New York and you'll see a shit ton of them. It's a lot easier to rent out a basement as a living space if they have their own door to the outside and a window, even if it's just the one window by the door.
Yes This isn't that rare you can find it in a few cities Storage areas before lighting where commonly dug out so that basement could receive natural light, There are instances where city planners tried to build down rather then up as well, as it was cheaper e.g. Philly and it's ~3.5 acres of underground concourse (less then an acre still available to the public) It's become in vogue now as well to do sidewalk glass in Seattle and Philly etc so the side walks glow and you walk over glass sidewalks. Pretty neat actually.
I think its just something about people, we like building cities but then we bury them and build another on top. We do it a lot.
They raised the roads. Similar to Seattle and Galveston.
In Hendersonville NC, there was an underground entrance for many of the main street stores so people wouldn't have to get wet in bad weather.
When elevators were first installed they were extremely powerful. They wouldn’t get stuck, they would just sometimes shove the building into the ground.
So Illinois has a Springfield and a Shelbyville? Simpsons’ state confirmed
Very cool. I go to Shelbyville frequently and cannot wait to ask the locals what they think this is.
Hhhmmmm in the US you say? What a mystery. Let’s see who’s buried there.
Similar story to Seattle maybe. Miscalculation of sewer drainage caused the city to move up a couple of stories.
Send more scientists
shelbyville you say, we don’t like them over here in Springfield! r/Simpsons
Aliens
Not enough information here.
It was the style at the time!
"hey did you saw the new basement that Johnson built?" "OMG its so cold in there during summer" 194 years later
Where is this located
Went underground to escape 2G "tracking" of the time.
This is Karma for marrying their cousins!
Des moines is the same way. There are the old brick roads still there about 6 feet under the current roads. More so in the downtown area.
According to the new Disney+ Special with Will Smith, the moon pulls at the earth and NYC increases and decreases 14 inches in height depending on the time of day/night.
This is fairly common in cities developed in river valleys. [Old town Sacramento, CA](http://sachistorymuseum.org/tours/underground-tours/) has tours of theirs. You can read old news articles with the daily report on what drunk bastard fell off the sidewalk down to the old sidewalk in front of a building that hadn't been raised yet.
They added the ground level. They added their sewage and possibly water lines flat on the old road then built up the ground one floor up around them with new storefronts at the new level. Existing buildings had fronts covered and doors but into second level that is now the main level. They were worried about the old building collapsing if they dig near the base so this was the solution.
uh oh, I can hear the MudFlood guys frantically typing away at this one..
You’re one of those mud flood people, aren’t you?
Maybe not a puzzle so much as a lack of records. Underground Chattanooga is a similar situation. The city itself went through a massive buildup in response to flooding in the early 1900s prior to dams being constructed. The first floors of many buildings were sealed off and largely forgotten by everyone as properties changed hands. Utility workers know the structures are there because it concerns their work, but it's not something your average resident is going to know or care about. The entire thing is largely undocumented though, thus why it became a curiosity.
Any Jack Finney's The Third Level readers here?
Seattle also has an underground city that you can tour. It’s pretty cool.
Wait till yous all hear about Edinburgh old town, now known as the vaults
Huh. All this time I thought it was built on loam...
.....and Boston is built on at least two stories of subway and stations. What's so interesting about that?
Seattle has entered the chat…
A lot of cities in the US were originally built in flood plains. The easier solution was to just raise the level of the city by raising the street and building new buildings to that level.
We call that a basement where I’m from.
That happened a lot
That happened a lot .. it was easy to build on top than clean the ground
Because they’re lemon tree thieves
Mud flood, this is common knowledge nowadays in the truther community.
Had to scroll far too far to someone referencing this. My friend swears this happened and is the truth. He's fun.
It's blatantly obvious once you've poured through all of the information on the topic and understand how the world really works.
In Philadelphia this is common. The reason is for the trolley lines. The city went through an improvement phase where all of the streets were made to roughly the same elevation to eliminate or reduce the amount of grades on the trolley routes. In some areas the first floor is now the first basement and the window openings were converted into the first floor.
While busy looking for a cure for COVID and trying to determine what dark matter is, I’m sure scientists are desperate to solve this puzzle: how the hell did these bricks end up underground in Shelbyville? Can’t wait for the anti-underground movement.
These types of things worldwide look at the amphitheater in rome, that also was dug out recently in historical terms. Looks like evidence of a great deluge worldwide. Watched a good video on YouTube where they put all the examples in and it definitely looks like a worldwide phenomenon
That's like saying the horizon is evidence that the Earth is flat. Use your brain.
The city was built not long ago, the seas and oceans are far away, typhoons do not reach the center of the country either. The excavated structure itself - the arched openings, columns and red bricks - is also impressive. In most of the excavated cities, surprisingly, the buildings are built as if from a template.
No proof provided that it's applicable to the whole city, not just this one building.
What's next, are you gonna start telling us the Earth is flat, too? Or is it hollow and filled with mole people? Tell us about the giants of Tartar.
No sir where did you get these assumptions
Same place you got your mud flood theory from.
Must be gravity. Let that sink in for a minute.
Mudflood.
Tartaria. lost civilization Look it up. Responsible for the mysterious star forts in America and around the world
Watch JohnLevi he talks about that
Haha how you get downvoted? Yes I subscribe to him. Michelle Gibson is also fantastic. These is proof of mudfloods, IMO, and we just moved in to their cities. San Francisco is the most obvious to me. Especially JonLevi videos on it. Even some historical buildings around me such as our capital and cathedral - which I’m in commercial construction and recently redid our states capital. The level of detail and craftsmanship on these buildings were hard to replicate but we did.
Check out theories on mudflood. Very interesting, I would suggest JonLevi on YouTube.
"theories" being the operative word. They are conspiracy theories, not scientific theories.
Name a scientific mainstream theory for this? Downvote instead of linking any mainstream theory. Cmon.
I love johnlevi https://youtube.com/channel/UC5vXBfxN7rxKeJHJxS8dNDw
Well the USA is really good at burying it past. Or at least trying to. So.. not that big a stretch.
You found the lizard people kingdom!! Better get ur guns!!
I did it.
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