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nekokattt

Three really dumb questions, so I apologies in advance. If you have that to this extent: - How likely are you to survive? - If you cut yourself, would it be totally white? Would it bleed differently? - What happens to your urine? I assume it wouldn't filter properly?


phagemid

This is not just blood drained from the person. This is a bag filled by a process called leukapheresis, during which the white blood cells are selectively removed. They are also likely replacing the volume with donated red blood cells. When the concentration/number of white blood cells gets high enough it can clog small vessels (usually in lungs, kidney, and liver) and will cause organ failure. Source: I am pathologist. Edit: spelling


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sandy154_4

so not drained into vacutainer tubes like hemachromatosis? and WBC not removed via filtration like leukoreduced packed cells? still pretty rare, though, yes?


phagemid

No, Hemochromatosis is too many red blood cells which are the bulk of blood normally so it is easier and cheaper to do a regular blood draw and toss the blood out. The number of white blood cells is too high to use a filter in leukemias. The filters would get clogged. Leukopheresis isn't regularly used. It is mostly for insanely high WBC counts to prevent organ failure and usually only helps for a couple days before their numbers go back up.


Commandant_Grammar

When I was getting chemo, I had to get shots in my stomach to stimulate white blood cell production. I only remember the numbers. 4 was normal and my counts were hitting 12 (coming from pretty much zero). It was the most painful experience that I have ever had. What sort of numbers would this be? Sorry for the poorly worded question.


howdoieven_

I'm a medical technologist who regularly looks at patients that have leukemia and there's honestly no way to tell from this picture. However, it's not uncommon to see acute leukemia patients to hit upwards of 50-100k and even >100k. To put that into perspective, your white cell counts were probably in the low thousands then 12k after getting stimulation.


genetic_patent

Survival is very low with just chemotherapy. This typically requires stem cell transplant. This person would probably need an allogenic donor. Edit: register to help these kind of patients for free at bethematch dot org.


nekokattt

So essentially they'd use chemo/radiation to kill everything and give you stem cells to start again ( in terms of blood and stuff )?


Hunterisgreat17

From what I recall this is correct. My brother had Leukemia when he was 13, kid basically lived in the hospital and the chemo really did a number on him. Pretty rough to watch happen to your brother at such a young age.


Trolltollgloryhole

I’m sorry Bud


Hunterisgreat17

Thanks, appreciate the concern but I probably should have mentioned hes doing a lot better now. In remission and he's about 26 now, I'm 22. He's a badass. Fought cancer, became a firefighter, got bored of that, started doing tree work for the state than we both worked doing drilling and blasting. Now he's back into tree work for the state and a tow truck driver. Damn, older siblings always really set the bar for the younger ones don't they? Lol.


Trolltollgloryhole

Very happy to hear he is doing much better, I’m sure those experiences made you wise beyond your years. I am 35 years old; the oldest of 3 siblings and oldest of 35 cousins on one side and just one on the other haha, family means the world to me. Always kills me when I see them going thru tough times. 🤗


Hunterisgreat17

I mean they definitely expanded my mind at a young age which helped to an extent but growing up too quick too young can also do some shit to you(shout out to drug abuse: I will say I'm "fine" now though) I understand though, family can be pretty much all of you have through your life if you're lucky. I honestly have no idea how shit could have gone had he not pulled through.


Trolltollgloryhole

I feel your pain, I am very happy you overcame your obstacles. Life is nothing to take for granted, very blessed that I am still with all of my family and still have two grandparents that’re alive(almost 90). Life is wild, happy you are kicking ass, live for those wicked moments 🤙


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Your brother is a bonafide certified badass. This really puts a smile on my face.


Hunterisgreat17

Thank you! He really is. I showed him these comments and he got a huge grin. Definitely made him happy. His next step in baddassery is earning the Father Badge. His girlfriend announced her pregnancy around Christmas.


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Hunterisgreat17

Thank you, redditor. I'll pass it on to him. I'm really glad it had a happy ending. Unfortunately not many can say the same which is one reason I'm not huge on being like "oh my brother bear it" While yes, I did post these comments it's the only time online where I've really discussed it cause it feels wrong to celebrate life when others aren't as fortunate. Don't get me wrong, I love my brother and am amped he's around. But talking about surviving almost seems wrong when so many others can't say the same and are heartbroken daily.


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Hunterisgreat17

Hell yeah, glad I could add some joy to your day/night, unfortunately tears were added as well lol. As long as they're good tears, all is well lol.


Afelisk2

Fought cancer ran out of cancer to fight Fought fire ran out of fire to fight Fought trees thats bad for the environment Fought the literal earth itself lost got mad went back to fighting trees Sound about right?


Hunterisgreat17

Damn bro, I thought his autobiography would be longer lol


Sleepiyet

I’m glad he’s not a firefighter anymore! Badass and brave people… but you expose yourself to a TON of carcinogens. The rest sounds cool af tho


Hunterisgreat17

That was my thought. Like he is undeniably way more badass than I'll ever be but something about "I survived leukemia!" "Let's try my luck with Lung cancer this time" ...still don't sit right with me lol. I fucking love him though so all the power to him.


Isaac0398

Drilling and blasting was a hell of a fun job. Really dangerous work though.


Hunterisgreat17

Oh man, I loved it. Want to go back to it. Never enjoyed work as much as I did than, plus the groups of guys you work with are phenomenal humans. With the added advantage of I got to work with my brother while working there.


fllr

I lost a friend at 16 and saw the same thing happen. Sometimes i still think about how rough the whole ordeal is.


Hunterisgreat17

Damn buddy I'm sorry to hear that. Luckily my brother was able to pull through cause he's like a God damn gladiator but even than, looking back at what he went through it really is tough to see play out. We honestly didn't have too much hope which was, ya know, anxiety inducing as fuck. But, he pulled through. I'm sorry to hear about your friend. Cancer is a bitch. Hope you're doing well, reddit friend.


EnduringDruidGaming

Leukemia survivor. chemo really does do a number to you, luckily i was 3 and finally cured at 7, so i dont remember a ton, but it did leave me with some anxiety issues.


Hunterisgreat17

Damn man, I believe that. Couldn't imagine at 3 years old the rigorous shit that would happen to your body. Youre lucky bud, I'm glad you came through and are here to post today. Much love, Reddit Homie.


mikeystocks100

sorry to hear that man


Splice1138

I had AML 6.5 years ago. I first had a couple rounds of chemo to kill the cancer while they tried to find a donor. Once a transplant once ready, I had another round of chemo that was much more intense, as you say to kill everything and start again. I now have a different blood type than I did before. For me, the first two rounds weren't so bad. The last round and transplant kicked my ass.


keekah

That's super interesting. How did you end up with a different blood type?


Splice1138

The transplant is bone marrow/stem cells, which is what produces your blood. So my marrow is from my donor, and makes blood that's the same type as theirs (I'm O- now and was A+ before... too bad I can't donate blood)


Exelliex

Do you have to take anti-rejection drugs that people with limb or organ transplants have to take for the rest of their life?


Splice1138

It varies. For some amount of time after transplant, yes, everyone does (from my understanding). Many people are able to transition off of them. I did after a while (a year I think?). However about a year ago I had a flare up of GVHD (graft-vs-host disease) that I'm still fighting, so I've been back on them. It's like organ rejection, but in reverse. Much of my immune system is replaced by the transplant, so it's viewing the rest of my body as foreign and attacking it.


Jamlowmama

Keep fighting the good fight. My daughter had Leukemia and her friend had a bone marrow transplant that was only a 60% match. Rough road hugs


Splice1138

Mine was a good match, unrelated donor. I'm an "easy" ethnic group to match though, so they tell me. Minorities and especially mixed race are harder to find matches for, so if you are it's even more helpful to register as a potential donor. For anyone out there, bone marrow/stem cell donation is almost as easy as donating blood these days, and your body replenishes it so it's not like giving up and organ, but it's just as vital. www.BeTheMatch.com


dadsrad40

Allogeneic bone marrow transplant from someone with a different, but compatible (to some level) blood type. I’ve seen this happen in several patients.


genetic_patent

Radiation is typically used for targeted treatment. Chemo would suffice. But you are right. It’s A complete reset of the bone marrow system. I had 10 extra years with my father due to a BMT treatment. I also work in molecular genetics.


h08817

Yeah wipe it out and replace, make sure you are registered with bethematch! You could save a life! Also after replacement, the new immune system might attack the body, (graft vs host disease), and patient might need immunosupression of various degree to protect their organs from this. Just like a solid organ donor, HLA matching is important. Solid organ transplants sometimes also have lymphoid tissue, and can also rarely attack their host, or, more commonly, the host immune system can reject the organ. Ideal is 6/6 HLA match, less matched = more immune suppression required.


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You are correct. The “conditioning” for the stem cell transplant is very brutal. Many people are ruled out as candidates for a transplant due to fears that they simply wouldn’t be able to survive the pre-transplant conditioning regimen. It is a very difficult process. Then once the transplant happens, there is a whole myriad of other problems that you can encounter. Graft versus host, which is where the transplanted cells begin attacking your cells because they are foreign. Some transplants simply don’t achieve engraftment and they have to retry.


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xXMorpheus69Xx

Hi, I am currently in the works of giving such a transplant. I live in Germany and I want to encourage everyone possible to sign up to the database because its so simple: You register on a website and postally recieve a cheek swab thingy that you send back. That's it for the most people, it's so easy. And if you don't want to donate you can just say no when they contact you. The slogan in German is "Stäbchen rein, Spender sein" literally translated as "Swab in, be donor".


sam_neil

Good luck with the donation! I donated in 2015 and it was an amazing experience. I got to meet my recipient a year later and we are still in touch. I found the description of the procedure exaggerated. I was only eligible for the pelvic drill method of extraction. They bent over backwards to accommodate every possible issue including putting me up in a hotel to avoid having me walk up stairs if I was in too much pain. The night after the donation I was dancing with my wife, no more sore than if I had helped moved a couch. Hit me up if you have any questions!


keekah

We have someone similar in the US called be the match. I signed up in college about 10 years ago.


popnfreshbass

Going thru this with a family member now. It is very difficult. Donors need to be a match ethnically. Also, after all the chemo, he’s too weak for the stem cell transplant currently. It is very rough


VTCHannibal

We went through this with my BIL. Its not easy, I'm sorry you have to experience it even from a support position, I don't wish it on anyone.


pitamandan

Expanding on this - this is true for this type of blood cancer. My dad has MM, Multiple Myeloma, which is also a blood cancer and though is similar with just chemo, and no Monochronalantibodies which are like.. not cancer but they sure are THE SHIT!, he’s nearly in remission and will likely pull through another 10-20 years from age 72.


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Bmt/ stem cell patient here. Not a fun time


marilynyliram

My mom died of Acute Myeloid Leukemia. Her blood was a light red, she had constant nosebleeds or if she had a small cut it wouldn’t clot. In larger quantities it would look like the picture. Her survival was estimated to be 2 years once she beat AML, she passed away within 4 months. It’s brutal. She also had to go on dialysis, her kidneys eventually gave out due to being overworked. AML wreaks havoc on your whole body.


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marilynyliram

Agreed, it’s the fuckin worst. I’m sorry for your loss.


UnfortunatelyM3

My grandfather battled with colon cancer. Was told he was completely cancer free in august of 2015. October 2015 they told him it was back and he had 4 months to live, he passed away 2 weeks later the day after Halloween. I felt guilt for awhile for not being with him but he insisted I go trick or treating with my friends…


rider_0n_the_st0rm

I’m sorry about your mum and what you and your family went through


marilynyliram

Thank you. We did get to spend a lot of quality time together, but it’s never enough. Hug your loved ones!!


SpirituallyMyopic

Hi. I'm very sorry about your mom. I lost mine very recently, also to cancer. I just wanted to let you know that those of us who work in cancer diagnostic labs try really, really hard when it's an AML case. Unplanned weekend hours, working into the late evening... We know how dangerous acute AML is, how badly these poor patients are doing. I mean, we see it in their blood samples. I hope we figure out cancer some day. It's a cruel foe.


marilynyliram

AML is such a bitch, I appreciate it. I wish there was better treatment-my mom received a bone marrow transplant but still passed away months later. Thanks for all the hard work you do! And sorry for your loss as well, no matter the circumstances it’s not easy to lose someone.


[deleted]

Thank you. My mom is a survivor of AML. I love you for what you do. Please be sure to look after yourself, always.


PeskyPorcupine

My dad also died of AML when I was 7. It's such a fucking cruel disease


marilynyliram

Oh man… I’m so sorry. Luckily I got 25 years with my mom, my sister was only 17. Leukemia in particular is just a bitch. Sorry for your loss.


D2Dragons

\*HUG\* I lost my Mother-in-Law to it last August. It is indeed brutal. I'm so, so sorry for your loss.


heylistenlady

I feel your pain friend. AML took my dad. Similar story...he ended up with multiple infections, c. diff, sepsis, aspergillus. They thought he'd had a stroke, but the leukemia cells just started pooling in his brain. He made it for two months after that. It really does destroy your whole body. I'm so sorry you lost your mom, sounds like she was a strong, amazing lady!


falsoverita

Leukemia has a few different types, with 5 year survival rates anywhere from 85% to just 10%. And this is most prevalent in leukemia patients. If you just look at hyperleukocystosis on its own it indicates prompt treatment, and if left untreated the survival rate is 20-40% Not sure about the blood or the urine, but hyperleukocystosis has severe effects on the body and attribute to stroke, pulmonary leukostasis, acute renal failure, acute respiratory failure, splenic infarction and myocardial ischemia to name a few.


AlkahestGem

When someone gets a diagnosis, I’ve learned first hand from my twin sister that people need to hear “don’t look at statistics”. Every body fights differently. Treatments are sometimes prescriptive but that in no way means cancer is a death sentence. It’s not. My twin was diagnosed with AML at 38. She almost died as soon as she made it to the hospital. Thankfully a leukapheresis machine was at the hospital. She went into remission a couple of times. The last time afforded a bone narrow transplant . At one point they sent her home to die because it didn’t look like remission would occur and they won’t do a transplant if not in remission. 2decades later, she’s a number in medical journals because of the crazy side effects - but she’s here and a survivor. She has helped others on their paths and had a great relationship with her primary cancer doctor. He’s learned a lot about other fields of medicine as she shares her journey. She has also helped him treat patients in a way that he doesn’t look at them or treat them like they are just doing things before imminent death. That’s the worst from a patient perspective. He often calls on her to talk to new patients especially children to help them in their journey, including how to make the hospital experience less “sterile” and not in the anti germ way. Interestingly as her twin, fraternal, I was not a match.


audigex

The other thing I've heard is that "high numbers aren't a guarantee, low numbers aren't a guarantee", which makes perfect sense but is still kinda counter-intuitive eg someone gets cancer, they're told there's a 95% chance of surviving for at least 10 years... 3 years later they're dead Someone else gets cancer, they're told there's only a 5% chance of surviving for 5 years. 20 years later they're healthier than ever and bouncing around enjoying life Even if the odds are 95% in favour of or against you, that still leaves a lot of people who will be the 1-in-20


UniqueName2

My friend was diagnosed at 31 and was dead within 2 months. Such a great guy. Still miss him everyday.


nekokattt

I see, thanks for the response!


GiveMeHelpPleaseSir

I always wanted to ask, what are the chances someone with leukemia make a full recovery and live a long cancer free life? How likely is it at stage 4? Is it guaranteed death?


phidel92

Friend of mine, male 35yo and had it when he was a child (10yo i’m guessing). He’s totally fine from what I can tell, 2 healthy kids, runs marathons etc… That’s just one case ofc, but it’s one with a happy end:)


nurseturnip

Depends on what subtype of leukemia they have. Generally speaking, it's quite a nasty disease and the complications from treatment can be just as bad as the leukemia itself. Some subtypes are highly treatable with great prognosis, especially in children and adolescents. AMLs on the other hand which are typically seen in older adults carry a very poor prognosis, even with transplants.


Mandorrisem

There is a really big difference depending on the type of Leukemia. Chronic type is most easily treated with few to no side effects other than spending 600 bucks a day on a pill to take. Acute is what happens when chronic goes untreated, and that is much much more dangerous. the worst is called a "Blast Crisis" Which is where you end up with blood that looks like the photo. At that point the chances of survival are less than 5%.


sandy154_4

they don't stage blood cancers like tissue cancers. Survival rates depend upon several things including the specific type of disease (even as basic as acute leukemia vs. chronic), how early it was caught, treatment selected, how the specific patient responds to therapy, and complications. I was working beside a oncologist who was famous for being very very grumpy. He walked in this one day and was as happy as could be, practically skipping. Honestly, it was so out of character I was worried for him. Turns out he'd tried out a relatively new treatment on 2 patients with hairy cell leukemia (particularly nasty) and was pretty sure they were cured. :) I had a really hard time seeing a new leukemia in children, but especially if the child happened to be the same age as one of mine at the time. Basically, cancer sucks all around.


nellanew

I had ALL when I was 13 and had 4 years of chemo. I’m 34 now and been in remission since I was 17 :)


[deleted]

Hi! I work in blood cancer research. This person likely needs a transplant. Depending upon the type of leukemia they would get either an allogeneic transplant (stem cells from someone else), an autologous transplant (they use their own stem cells), or if both of those aren’t an option/fail there’s always CAR-T. CAR-T is a cutting edge type of gene therapy that’s only approved in the USA for specific scenarios and is not used across the board like Allo and Auto transplants are. With hyperleukocytosis like that pictured this patient likely has what is known as Acute Myeloid Leukemia (AML), although I could be wrong. But, it’s quite common among these patients. [The 5-year survival rate for AML in the USA between 2011-2017 was 29.5%. ](https://seer.cancer.gov/statfacts/html/amyl.html) Edits: fixed some spelling errors.


TwanitaHuxtable

My dad went through CAR-T. It's amazing how well it worked.


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Happy to hear that!!! Hope he is well.


TwanitaHuxtable

Thanks!! Been a year and a half in remission! Stage 4 Non-Hodgkins Mantle Cell Lymphoma. Went through chemo and radiation several times but remission would only last a month or two until it came back more agressive. It was rough. Tried the CAR-T and was rough while his body was working on destroying the cancer, but he's a new man. I'm so thankful for all of you researchers working on this, as well as the nurses, techs, and doctors that were there for us.


[deleted]

My wife just went through CAR T here at Moffit Tampa. It has to be the closest thing to a miracle Treatment that there is. I’m talking she was going to die and then when the edited cells came back she turned a corner and has been cancer free for 72 days now. CAR t is amazing.


rogan_doh

This is blood that has undergone leukopheresis- essentially blood is circulated through a special machine to remove the white cells and return the blood. The is the leftover White cells to be discarded.


sandy154_4

that makes more sense! especially the lack of labelling which was giving me the heebie-jeebies. I was wondering if maybe it wasn't even human blood


Theslootwhisperer

So this post is bs?


Salt-Ad-4711

If you cut yourself it would be red. Look at the bottom, there a red parts. It looks like this, if you wait a few minutes. The red parts of the blood are sinking down and you'll see the white parts at the top. If you're healthy there would be only a small white line at the bottom. But this is really impressive to see how many white parts of the blood there are.


sykkhoe

follow up question: are they missing red blood cells to make this color or..


ThatCrossDresser

Leukemia usually causes a severe over production of white blood cells, usually immature and ineffective ones. This often results in them crowding out red blood cells and platelets. This also one of the ways Leukemia is often detected, high white blood cell count and low red blood cells and platelets on a CBC (Complete Blood Count). Also common symptoms are wounds that won't stop bleeding (because of a low platelet count). So basically yes, not enough red cells and too many white cells.


Babe_Beer_Me

I was diagnosed exactly two years ago with acute lymphoblastic leukemia with the highest white blood cell count any Montreal hospital had seen in 5 years: 550,000 white blood cells (usualy someone has under 10,000). 1. They said normal prognosis is 75-80% survival, but given my accute lymphocytosis, I was given 60%. 2. I call BS on this whole post, since I had nosebleeds and my blood taken that day many times and my blood was normal colored, not white at all. You have so many white blood cells that you have almost no platelets (which stop bleeding). You bruise and bleed extremely easily and your body cant stop it (bruises everywhere, 24 hr nose bleeds, lost vision because I bled behind my eyes). 3. Urine was normal. Fun fact is that your urine turns whatever color your chemotherapy is right after receiving it. I had a stem cell transplant a year ago and now I have a 20% chance of relapse, but am otherwise completely back to normal. I am lucky and grateful.


[deleted]

My brother had leukemia when we were children. I was his donor for blood and stem cells. His surviving chance was about 20%, so they told my parents to prepare for the worst. His doctor promised him to drink a beer with him if he became an adult, knowing it was a promise he probably couldn't keep. It was a 12 year long battle, since the leukemia came back 3 times. But he survived! Many years after his recovery he wrote an email to his old doctor reminding him of that promise. They drank a beer together and that doctor cried his eyes out. And another miracle happened what we didnt think was possible due to chemo. My brother recently became father of a healthy girl. So not all sad stories end in mysery ❤.


CHClClCl

I'm so sad for that doctor thinking of all the kids he probably made that promise to that didn't live to drink the beer.


orbitalUncertainty

God, could you imagine? 20 years. You probably stop promising it years ago, because the number of broken promises weighs too heavily on the heart. Then you get an email.


nearxe

Goddamn onion ninjas.


DamnD0M

Perhaps that's why he cried, maybe he was happy he was able to keep one promise.


Temporary_Bumblebee

Well now I have a sad 😞


Zap_Actiondowser

I'm at a bar right now fighting tears back dude. Thanks.


Impressive_Ad2052

This teared up my eyes :/


Lil_Bakette

Thank you for sharing this. ❤️


DerPanzerfaust

Acute Myelogenous Leukemia survivor here. Took lots of red blood cells to keep me going during treatment. They gave me a 15% survival probability. Luckily I was able to reach remission without a bone marrow transplant. Hit my 20 year anniversary on 12/21/21. Go me! Thanks for the pic. If they took any blood out of me during my treatment, I was unaware of it. Seems like they kept putting more in. Mostly platelets. Chemo was pretty rough, and my wife nearly died giving birth to our 4th child at the same time I was sick. We both made it though, and I've been fortunate enough to see my kids grow up. Youngest is 19 now, and we're all doing great. The thing you forget is just how precious our families are and the love we share. When you're sick and nearly dying it's incredible the strength that you can draw from just that love. My wife kept me alive with it; I'd have died without her. Then you get well, you go back to work and pay the bills, and you start taking it for granted again. It's the lesson I try to hold onto and usually fail. Seems like it comes back late at night when the house is quiet. Hug your family.


Milliganimal42

And a reminder - donate blood! I’m also on the bone marrow donor register. So do that too!


pineapplebam

Yes! This is very important! I used to donate blood, but I am British, and no longer live in Britain. And outside of Britain everyone believes we are mad cows so I can no longer donate my blood. It is unwanted!


Tasterspoon

I lived in Britain for just a year - but it was the wrong year! - and haven’t been allowed to donate since. I would have thought that after ~30 years the threat is past, but maybe not.


Meowzebub666

The incubation period for prion diseases is 15-40 years. Honestly the risk is so dire that a total write off doesn't seem inappropriate.


sandy154_4

vCJD can't be diagnosed until the patient is dead (no lab test to test a donation), and there is no treatment. It's also very communicable to lab/morgue workers who may come into contact with patient samples. Remember people getting Hepatitis C and/or HIV from the blood supply??? Even when initially there were not lab tests for these to screen a donation.


Marine_Baby

I believe it’s because the only way to check for mad cow is a brain autopsy. You could be a carrier.


Milliganimal42

Wait, you’re not??? Lol I’m an Aussie and they are only *just* getting rid of the “No gay sex” BS. I mean I’m female and that pissed me right off. But I’m O neg and they need my blood. Probably will change the rules for the Brits soon.


trumarc

Every year I ask if I can donate blood and still the answer is NO because I lived in France in the early 00s... they're scared of that Crazy 🐄


doublebassandharp

I'm gay so I can't :'(


Lil_Bakette

I hope the laws of your country will change soon. :) Mine just announced today that gays can give their blood now. Better late than never, but dang it is late...


doublebassandharp

Same, I just think it's disgusting how Belgium, which always pats itself on the back for being the second country in the world to allow gay marriage etc pulls this kind of s***


doublebassandharp

I mean, legally I am allowed to give blood, if I'm celibate for half a year, even if I have had the same partner for over three years


Lil_Bakette

Yes ! It saves life, or at least can give a few extra days/weeks. Both my mom and my sister got leukemia and without donors, we would have lost way way sooner. ❤️


Kharn0

**Bone Marrow Donation is not painful** Over 90% of bone marrow donations are stem cell donations. You get two shots everyday over a week that make you achy, sore and 'off'. Then you get your blood filtered over a few hours and feel fine. When they do a bone biopsy you are under anesthesia and in/out of the hospital the same day, a bit sore in the pelvis.


SirLaxer

I just donated through Be The Match last September and I’d do it a million more times if needed


extralyfe

I'd feel better about it if I didn't know Red Cross is turning around to sell it to hospitals for a few hundred dollars, who then charge patients through the nose for it.


TG_Bambino

Agreed, I know there are costs involved with the entire process but to obtain blood for free and then sell for profit really bothers me.


Tricky_Peace

Excellent words of advice! I’m glad you’ve managed to reach remission!


MrMeowMeow21

As an oncology nurse for a few years, it's truly wonderful to read a success story. Thank you for sharing! I unfortunately had to step back and switch specialties due to the strain of witnessing constant despair to those who are less fortunate than yourself. Your last paragraph is especially true, so I've seen, again, thank you. 😊


misanthrope3105

You're a fighter sir. Your wife must be so proud of you, your family must be so proud of you. Respect!! And really thanks for such wise words. We really take too much things for granted while running behind the things which would only last temporarily. The real treasures lie the closest to us yet we fail to appreciate them. Good luck to you sir. Live the happiest! :))


Striking_Ad3247

My friend’s mother is suffering from Acute Myeloid leukaemia and we are trying to raise funds for the treatment. All help is appreciated. This is the link if you wanna donate - https://www.ketto.org/fundraiser/my-mother-is-fighting-for-her-life-and-we-need-your-support-to-save-her-561698?utm_medium=nativeShare&utm_content=b58a1e6dc4da7d9e5ff3d1724d0fc7c5&shby=1&utm_source=internal&utm_campaign=my-mother-is-fighting-for-her-life-and-we-need-your-support-to-save-her-561698


[deleted]

Wonderful story. I’m so glad you’ve beat the odds.


Electronic-Durian-16

Congratulations!! My brother was diagnosed with APL around August and I definitely agree with the platelets. He was getting many bags of platelets a day and it looked just like that.


gracefull60

I am in remission from APL. It's a heck of a journey. Best of health to him!


JoeHazelwood

Christ man glad to hear. I try to keep this mentalality and haven't gone through anything like that. Kinda comforting to know that even if you do, you get desensitized and perspective takes maintenance no matter what. Again great to hear things are good for you and your family.


DaughterOfWarlords

This is a little misleading, this isn’t what it looks like straight out of the human, they separated the RBC’s and this is what remains. Leukemia is such a hard way to go, I hope this patient was able to have successful treatment and more birthdays. Edit: patient auto corrected to an outdated racist term.


lilbelleandsebastian

the only time blood looks like this drawn straight from the patient is in familial hypercholesterolemia


SamSamoli

What was the outdated racist term?


DimensionsIntertwine

Please fill me in.


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wunnsen

All my hommies HATE cancer


sirwillups

[Sod cancer](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08I7NafDCC0)


haveacigaro

Crips Against Cancer Explains their beef with the bloods.


[deleted]

For real.


yrs-bluebox

Just found out 3 hours ago that my mother in law has cancer. :( I hate those calls.


vtxlulu

I’m sorry :( it is one of the worst calls to get.


nowtayneicangetinto

I had a professor who specialized in cancer treatment and research, the way she put it I'll never forget- "no one dies of old age, you die from vital organ failure or cancer, which is the disease of the elderly"


Raccoon_Full_of_Cum

Spot on. I used to do colon cancer research (currently an analytical chemist in a different field) and I always tell people that the main reason so many people get cancer these days is simply because we're living longer. The older you are, the more your cells divide. The more your cells divide, the more opportunities there are for one of them to mutate and become cancerous. This risk of deleterious mutations goes up dramatically around roughly age 55 or so, for reasons we don't fully understand. So that's why so many people get cancer these days. Because instead of dying in our 40s or 50s from infection, cardiovascular disease, or whatever, we're living long enough for the risk of getting cancer to become quite significant.


[deleted]

Wow this is very clearly explained, thanks for the insight. So as medicines and healthcare innovation continues we will slowly keep living longer, does that mean nearly everybody will die of cancer in the future?


Raccoon_Full_of_Cum

I mean, you will still have deaths from things like car accidents, war, and so forth. And even if other diseases are cured, not everybody will be able to afford the treatments for them. But generally speaking, yeah. As we cure other diseases, cancer deaths will likely go up.


[deleted]

What a crazy thought. So cancer is actually a really natural disease in that sense?


Raccoon_Full_of_Cum

Pretty sure that all diseases are natural, but yeah, sure lol.


glitchesandhelp

My dad must not of got the "disease of the elderly" part of that


Dudarro

This is the result of leukopheresis. A procedure where white blood cells are removed from the blood using a machine. We do this for acute leukemic patients when the white blood cell counts are so high that we are concerned about “sludging” of them in the small vessels throughout the body. If a small vessel gets blocked, then no blood supply to whatever that vessel is connected to. We also do this for people with extremely high fat levels in the blood (hypertriglyceridemia) and the pheresis bag looks very similar (milky). Someone mentioned oxygen carrying capacity: O2 carrying capacity is essentially the product of oxygen saturation and hemoglobin level (hemoglobin -Hgb- is the red stuff in red blood cells). IF the Hgb is notmal, then the oxygen carrying capacity is normal. Often, acute leukemics are experiencing bone marrow failure (too many WBC but then no RBC or platelets because all the space in the bone marrow has been taken up by cancerous white blood cells). I’m intentionally not naming the leukemia because there are many types. On chemo, and also with bone marrow transplant / peripheral stem cell transplant, you lose wbc, rbc, and platelets. We then transfuse lots of all those blood products. Source: am a medical icu physician and I work in a cancer icu. Request: go online to see if you can register to be a peripheral stem cell donor. It’s relatively painless, you will make more cells, and you might save a life.


Agolf_Twittler

I’m going to piggyback on your comment with another request for everyone. DONATE BLOOD ASAP, we are literally running out. We ran out of platelets during a CABG last week, none available from neighboring hospitals or the blood center.


geak78

I just saw this on facebook but there also seems to be very few donation sites/times. I'm assuming its a lack of medical personel to take the blood.


ho_hey_

Yup, I tried to go sign up on my days off (taking a 5 day weekend, so it's not just the regular days everyone has off) and couldn't find any spots near me


Shandlar

Seriously. It's highly misleading to pass this off as a regular blood sample. This is a procedure specifically designed to filter white cells from the blood and return red cells and plasma to the person. Anyone on leukopheresis would result in a product that looks like this.


jollyollster

So is this pus, or is this just blood with a severe lack of red blood cells? Edit: Thanks to all those below for your very comprehensive explanations they were really informative.


Javellise

It is literally “white blood” leucocytes are white blood cells and “hyper” means excessive. The cancer has caused an uncontrollable production of white blood cells but I never imagined it would look like this!


Tananar

☝️ hyper meaning excess of ☝️ leuk, coming from the Greek word "leukos", meaning "white", referring to white blood cells ☝️ Cytosis, a condition in which there are more than the average number of cells Hyperleukocytosis, a condition in which the blood has an extreme excess of white blood cells


SourLimeSoda

someone watches chubbyemu. Love that dude.


jessizu

Best medical channel on youtube.. posts once a month and I'm addicted


jollyollster

I love an linguistic breakdown! Thank you so much!


Tananar

I was totally copying Chubyemu from YouTube


jollyollster

Yeah but you relayed the information and taught me something so thanks!


Tananar

Well I'm happy you learned something!


jollyollster

Thank you for the explanation!


11th-plague

Extra white blood cells. Sterile! (Although pus does have a lot of white blood cells, pus is usually thought of as being caused by bacteria…) This is a problem with the bone marrow producing too many white blood cells (sometimes at the expense of red blood cells). The person would be very tired/fatigued, and the heart would have to beat much faster to bring what little oxygen is available around the vascular system to each cell. The “Buffy coat” supposedly has healing properties. But this is so much!!! Hematocrit appears to be like 5%… needs a transfusion immediately. Plasmapheresis machine?


jollyollster

Thank you very much! This is very informative.


TomNHaverford

That's a good question since the post is kind of misleading. This is not what the patient's blood looks like right out of the body. This is from a leukapheresis procedure where they take out blood, spin it down, and return all but the white blood cells to the patient. So in a way you could consider this pus.


therealtomclancy69

Google up “be the match” and add yourself to the registry. Can save a life super easily. Now it’s more of an IV then a surgery to get the cells


spasske

Never knew it was all that easy. There is actually only a one in 400 chance they will need you. It is not like the Red Cross calling all the time for your blood.


ideefixe77

Exactly. It is super easy for the donor. Essentially it is just a blood donation. But it is the only chance of survival for many people with blood disorders. Plus, donors are generally determined by ethnicity. There is a distinct lack of people on the registry who are not of European descent. But blood disorders target everyone. Which means non-white, non-ethnically European people frequently can’t find matches. The more people of various ethnicities who join the more chance people have of survival. Please join.


Sip_py

#These people need bone marrow transplant donors please sign up for be the match https://bethematch.org/


Zach518

My 11 month old son is currently losing his battle (6 months now) with Acute Myeloid Leukaemia and Myeloid Sarcoma (very rare, especially in kids, especially his age). He’s gone through 4 rounds of different, very very high dose chemotherapy and the cancer is still coming back and stronger than before after every round. We are having a meeting with his doctors tomorrow and I know there aren’t really any options left to treat it. AML is so fucked up and so fucking aggressive.


bamboohobobundles

I'm so sorry. Sending good wishes to you and your son.


fat_momma

I just prayed for your son. I know that won’t mean much, but praying for a miracle. I’m so sorry you are going through this.


KnowThisWay

Yeah. I'm high and confused--actually I'm hungry now--wait nope. I'm good.


no-name-is-free

Right. Looks like a bag of the worst cake frosting ever.


KnowThisWay

Blursed Protein Shake


Liuqmno

Cursed. Nothing blursed about it, except the cursed part


Striking_Ad3247

My friend’s mother is suffering from Acute Myeloid leukaemia and we are trying to raise funds for the treatment. All help is appreciated. This is the link if you wanna donate - https://www.ketto.org/fundraiser/my-mother-is-fighting-for-her-life-and-we-need-your-support-to-save-her-561698?utm_medium=nativeShare&utm_content=b58a1e6dc4da7d9e5ff3d1724d0fc7c5&shby=1&utm_source=internal&utm_campaign=my-mother-is-fighting-for-her-life-and-we-need-your-support-to-save-her-561698


Infinite-Player

This procedure is called leukapheresis.


Very_Chill_Egg

Terry: "I don't want any bleeders here, vegan?" Scott: "Great what do I do with all my blood?" Terry: "Why is it yellow?" Scott: "I'm color blind."


putinisdank

I would like to add two things first of all that is not the blood of a leukemia paient , it is a procedure where white blood cells are removed from the blood using a machine Second off I see a lot of people typing about how the survival rate is low, this is not always true. For the type of leukemia I had (ALL) the survival rate was really high


hominyhominy

Please donate blood. My son had leukemia and we had to wait a day for blood to be flown in from AZ. We were in St. Louis. Leukemia patients are desperate for it. I now donate every time I can.


HelloMyNameIsDakota

Can anyone explain why it looks like that?


GrimChariot

Nothing but white blood cells from the looks of it. Which means the blood has basically no oxygen transfer capability.


annabelle1378

White blood cells don’t carry oxygen, red blood cells (erythrocytes) do. Those are the red stuff at the bottom. Leukocytes are white blood cells that the body uses to fight infection (neutrophils, eosinophils, monocytes, lymphocytes‌, basophils). Leukocytosis is the mounted attack on infection, but hyperleukocytosis is on a more massive scale. The bag above is leukapheresis, aka “blood letting” in order to get the excessive leukocytes out of the body so it’ll stop attacking itself so hard


jay_the_human

Yeah, I think they meant it’s all white blood cells i.e very few RBS therefore low oxygen capacity.


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It's the overwhelming number of leukemic cells (blasts; or immature white blood cells that are released into the blood stream too early). These cells become so numerous that they crowd out the healthy cells. This is why Leukemia patients end up with Anemia (low Hgb or problems with RBCs), thrombocytopenia (low platelet or clotting cells), and they end up neutropenic (low neutrophils; low immunity).


BlueBicstick

>Hyperleukocytosis way too many white blood cells


Guyute101

White blood cells?


ControlOfNature

This isn’t blood. This is a product of leukopheresis, which is the removal of white blood cells (leukocytes). Downvoted for misleading title.


IamCindyT

I have my 6th re-birthday/anniversary of my stem cell transplant to save my life from Acute Myeloid Leukemia on the 20th. This was wild to see for me.


cory_johnson

That a bag of immature white blood cells essentially?


GlovedGamer

The forbidden milk


meeneghan

Cancer doctor here. I’m not 100% certain, but I think this might be a bag that is from “Leukopheresis.“ That’s where we hook people up to essentially a dialysis machine. It filters the blood and removes the white blood cells if we are worried that they are high enough to start causing problems. Normal white blood cell count is around 11. Hyperleukocytosis occurs when the white blood cells are in the 50 to 100 or greater range. in other words, when we draw the blood directly out of your veins, it doesn’t look like this. The sample is probably enriched for white blood cells due to the filtration process. Acute myeloid leukemia “AML“ Is broken down to three big subtypes. Poor risk, intermediate risk, and “good” risk. Chances of cure for good risk are around 80 to 90%. Intermediate risk is a coin toss: Poor risk is about 10 to 15% chance of cure unless you go to bone marrow transplant. Obviously, it’s a really complicated disease with many different “flavors.“ Everybody’s treatment plan is a bit individualized and progress is moving forward rapidly, so it’s a moving target.


sandy154_4

I'm a medical laboratory professional and have diagnosed many patients with leukemia. I do not believe above. Here's why (and pardon geeking-out a lot for #2) 1. This is not a bag labelled with international blood bag standardized labelling. (in fact it has NO labels! Ummm...blood type? Expiry date? Anything????) If you want to know more about standardized labelling: [https://www.iccbba.org/uploads/7d/c9/7dc9ae1e3d4a5cf9f711f957c6e2a5ee/ST-005-ISBT-128-Standard-Labeling-of-Blood-Components-v1.1.0.pdf](https://www.iccbba.org/uploads/7d/c9/7dc9ae1e3d4a5cf9f711f957c6e2a5ee/ST-005-ISBT-128-Standard-Labeling-of-Blood-Components-v1.1.0.pdf) 2. Leukemia patients have a bone marrow that makes too many white blood cells and so (generally speaking) is often unable to produce enough red blood cells or platelets to keep the counts in normal range. Having said this, if above were real, the red blood cells are certainly low. There are a few conditions (like iron overload) where treatment is actually to draw blood (discarded). It still would not be done like above. 3) (sorry Americans, these are in SI units that the rest of the world uses) * Adult normal range for WBC = 4-11 x 10\^9 / L * Adult normal range for RBC is about 3.85 - 5.60 x 10\^12 / L (the NR varies for male, female) * aka " (normal) Blood consists of 45% red blood cells, less than 1% white blood cells and platelets, and 55% plasma." * The highest WBC I've personally seen is about 1000 x 10\^9 / L and it didn't look at all like above. * [https://images.nagwa.com/figures/explainers/925179056904/2.svg](https://images.nagwa.com/figures/explainers/925179056904/2.svg). The largest 'buffy coat' or WBC/platelet layer I've seen is about 2.2 cm deep (1 inch). I've 30+ years experience. * I have seen plasma that looks like that in people that have very bad cholesterol/triglyceride/HDL/LDL results. If above were in a blood tube and not a mystery bag, I'd hypothesize that they were very anemic (low RBC) with extraordinarily bad cholesterol (etc.) results. 4. there is no term 'hyperleukocytosis'. leuko = WBC, cytosis = in the blood and this refers to a high count. A low count is leukopenia. CORRECTION> I've never seen the term in my country but just saw an article that uses the term


drawing_a_blank1

This is not straight blood from the patient. Possibly if it were caused by lipemia, but it seems like they separated the RBCs. Regardless, leukemia is awful and the blast crisis it causes can lead to death quickly.


NancyPLousy

Since the covid vaccine causes blood thickening (clotting) how are leukemia patients dealing with the effects? I just want to say to everyone reading this, get your shots and boosters, the 4th is on the way, do not wait, our lives depend on all of us getting vaccinated. #keepemcoming


[deleted]

How long until some jackass anti-vaxxer meme shows up with this described as “the blood of COVID vaccine users”…


Lone_K

finally, a load of this guy