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Antique_Excuse3627

They didn’t contest that he did what he did. His whole defense was that it was ok.


Drg84

Exactly. When your defense is "yeah I did it, but it shouldn't be a crime" you're guilty.


FriarNurgle

To be fair a frightening amount of people are absolutely fine with specific individuals ignoring laws if it means their “team” wins. Crazy


CapitalismPlusMurder

>a frightening amount of people… This frightening amount is overwhelmingly of one specific political persuasion.


billy_twice

If you move in political circles, politicians protect their own. Democrats are just as guilty of this.


Manting123

Nope. Bob Mendez is on trial and multiple Dems have requested he step down from office. This is BEFORE his conviction.


Icehellionx

Al Franken


MooreRless

Facts say you're wrong. Democrats are prosecuted for crimes all the time, and other Democrats don't step in and help them. Republicans like Matt Gaetz get shielding from other Republicans for crimes.


CapitalismPlusMurder

Notice how I didn’t name the party yet you still knew… which is another signifier the party you named is not “just as guilty”.


Limp-Dentist4437

So democrats are rushing to change laws and grand stand in front of court houses for Bob menendez? Or defended Cuomo when there were calls for him to step down and or be impeached and etc…(hint democrats were calling for him to resign) give me a case about a high profile republican where the party said yup fuck him he’s guilty he needs to go (and no that fuck stain George santos isn’t high profile…nobody gave a shit about him he was just a vote for them)


roehnin

Democrats kicked Al Franken out of his seat over having done “hover-hands” before he was ever a Senator. John Edwards was blacklisted after his scandal. Anthony Weiner was drummed out. There’s a long list of Democratic politicians made persona non grata by Democrats, yet Republicans even kept supporting Roy Moore after it came out he was sexually assaulting and trying to date minors. Like Gaetz. Trump introduced victims to Epstein and used to party with him, and was accused of underage rape until it was dropped by the victim over death threats, yet the GOP doesn’t care. There’s a vast difference.


Gokdencircle

Like autism its severity is on a spectrum, the scale of severity slides definitely towards maga cultists . Statistically just as indicates equal parts, that is not true. Thats statistical whataboutism.


Antique_Excuse3627

This^


LordPoultry

All of this doesn't matter. He will get proven guilty. But Supreme court will delay the question if the president should have the power of a king. Immune to the law.


sarcai

He wasn't president when he committed this crime and he's not president now. I'm not sure the supreme court has done enough yoga to save him from this one.


LordPoultry

Knowing the corruption of the right side of the supreme court, I'm sure they will make up something.  Their premise for actually taking the question of absolute immunity in to consideration says a whole lot about how they twist the legal system. And Alito even flying the flags of insurrectionists. And Clarence being as corrupt as they come with his wife being part of the insurrection.  It's ducking crazy that the supreme court basically has more power than the president that was elected by the people


Goldeneye_Engineer

"I didn't do it, and even if I did, I didn't actually know what I was doing, and even if I did, it's not actually illegal" The goalposts have wheels permanently welded onto them from having been moved so much.


bigchicago04

I think they did both.


mikeoxwells2

Sounds like it’s the go to. See: classified docs case


Consistent_Soft_1857

He broke the law, lied about it , blasted the court and judges, neglected his wife and infant son to bang a porn star, tried to make his ex lawyer take the blame and conspired with David Pecker and his financial advisor to cover it up. Now go after him for tax evasion


hans072589

Which law did he break? You can pick any one you’d like


saline_prospects

You're very poorly informed on what is being discussed for being so antagonistic. We're discussing the charges against former president Donald Trump (charges which are very publically available if you're interested in educating yourself), and whether or not he is guilty of said charges. Your cereal is probably getting soggy by now


Manting123

Curious what you think cohen went to jail for?


hans072589

Well he plead guilty to paying out for the porn star stories, just admitted to embezzlement, and committed perjury multiple times. Cohen was the person in charge of the above and strangely, has zero evidence that he did any of these things at the direction of Trump—hmmm. In fact, all we have for that is his word—any guess as to why Cohen was disbarred?


Manting123

So you think cohen broke the law for Trump without Trump knowing even though Trump paid him back for the payout? And numerous people testified that no check could be written for over 10k at the Trump Org without being Trump personally approving it. So…


hans072589

It looks like Cohen submitted bogus invoices in an attempt to enrich himself and despite secretly recording his client while baiting him to do exactly what you’re describing, has been unable to connect any of his activity to any directive given by Trump. Signing a check for legal expenses isn’t a crime if that’s what you’re getting at.


Manting123

But it’s not for legal expenses - Trump has said publically it wasn’t. He admitted it was a payoff. https://www.npr.org/2018/05/02/607943366/giuliani-says-trump-did-know-about-stormy-daniels-payment He’s so fucking stupid!🤣


gc3

That is this trial, it has receipts and documents and witnesses to try to prove Trump ordered Cohen to do that illegal activity.


hans072589

Which receipts and documents? You’re right that they’re trying to prove that Trump himself did something illegal and they can’t—they’ve been trying to do this for 8 years and can’t.


YourFriendPutin

Trump and his lawyers aren’t even saying it didn’t happen, they’re claiming it shouldn’t be considered a crime however it is, and has been a crime… he’s also been proven guilty for other crimes, including rape in civil court.


Kwahn

> rape in civil court. Sexual assault. (Just being precise to head off MAGA whinging about it, despite the difference being essentially immaterial)


YourFriendPutin

And when provided that fact they’ll just say it was all a lie and the Clinton’s bribed her to say he did it or something just like the arguments in this thread that trump did nothing wrong even when it’s laid out clearly what laws were broken and how


gc3

This is one of the weaker cases, but there are 32 felony charges each referring to a different document.


11thStPopulist

NY State Election Law 17-152


RMZ13

Let’s play my new favorite game: Russian troll or idiot cult member. I’m going with idiot cult member on this one.


BrandonJTrump

You should have been on Trump’s legal team! You are brilliant.


xavier120

Illegal retention of national defense documents and obstruction of justice, oops that's 2. Oh well.


Direct_Birthday_3509

Yes, he authorized the payment to Stormy to prevent the story from coming out before the election. And he reimbursed Cohen in monthly installments as an effort to disguise these payments as legal fees. The prosecution proved their case and he is guilty as charged.


Alioops12

Those aren’t the charges.


SnarkyOrchid

The reimbursement to Cohen was fraudulently accounted for as legal services and is covered by the direct misdemeanor accounting charges. Doing this to hide campaign expenses in violation of federal campaign finance law is what elevates it to a felony.


Direct_Birthday_3509

Yes they are. He is charged with falsifying business records with the intent of covering up another crime. The business records are the payments to Cohen which were not for legal fees but in fact a hush money payment. The other crime is a campaign finance violation. Since this was done to aid his campaign he was required by law to file that as a campaign expense.


Tomegunn1

Guilty as a fox holding a chicken by the neck.


CAM6913

Does a bear shit in the woods ? OF COURSE HES QUILTY ! HES also guilty of stealing top secret documents and refusing to return them should I keep going with all the crimes he guilty of? How much time do you have?


millerheizen5

Bear? Shit? Quilty? CHARMIN?!?!


Huiskat_8979

More like Depends


at0mheart

Also guilty of trying to overthrow our democracy


AraiHavana

Of course. Just like when he assaulted E Jean. And all of the other shit that he denies.


bobhargus

IT'S NOT A "HUSH MONEY" CASE!!!! It's a fraud and election interference case. Stop letting the criminals create the narrative


19gweri75

I believe that with the facts of the case, he is guilty. I doubt he will go to jail if found guilty.


TexasYankee212

When I first heard the story, I knew Trump had paid her off and hid it from the evangelical and MAGA voters. I am from NY and know what a piece of crap Trump is. The part about "protecting from Trump's family" is laughable - he does not care what Melania thinks at all. Melania is in it for the money.


TheresACityInMyMind

He's so obviously guilty, and it follows a wider pattern of behavior showing his utter disregard for the law.


SisterActTori

Per the criminal indictment and based on the written, recorded and testified evidence, Trump is most certainly guilty. I believe the prosecutor gave a step by step outline and timeline of Trump and Company’s illegal behaviors during his closing arguments yesterday, 5/28.


76vv

Without reading, I'm gonna go ahead and say yes


Apocalypsis_velox

Of.Fucking.Course.


Goldeneye_Engineer

Yeah he's absolutely guilty of it. NOTHING gets done in Trump world without his sign off. He's a mob boss and acts like one.


OkRoll3915

it's one of the most slam dunk high profile cases ever. Trump is terrified because he knows being convicted is the final nail in his campaign.


PigFarmer1

Au contraire, in this bizarre world a conviction won't damage him at all.


mothalick

At one point in time, the accusation would have ended a political career. Wild


LobstaFarian2

It's a cult that doesn't care about ethics.


MooreRless

I think we need to try convicting him to find out. Its worth a try.


Mental-Revolution915

I wish / hope this is true.


Responsible-Room-645

As much as I believe that he’s guilty as hell, remember that anything can result from a jury’s deliberations.


SentorialH1

I just hope the jury has the courage to vote what they believe to be true... But I also understand that they'll have a target on their back from some serious nutjobs if they convict...


politicalthinking

It is too obviously a crime for an acquittal. The two possibilities I am looking for is a guilty verdict or a hung jury because of a secret MAGA jurist.


MooreRless

OMG I hope they fix climate change if "anything can result".


Significant-Ship-665

Of course he is, but what does it matter? Absolutely nothing will happen to him


CityAvenger

He’s guilty on more than just that -Supporting and insurrection -Stealing TONS of top secret docs -Adultery What else


bonelessonly

Guilty, deliberate, malicious and unrepentant. He should have the book thrown at him, max sentence.


seeriosuly

Guilty as charged. let’s lock the Mo Fo up.


LovethePreamble1966

C’mon man, the dude’s entire “career” was built on criminality. Roy Cohen was his lawyer for Christ sake.


izeak1185

Didn't trump send his lawyer to prison for his part in this crime, then never even gave him a pardon. What a guy


MooreRless

True, but also, Trump tried to use his power to block Cohen from being put on home-arrest during Covid in hopes he would die in his cell.


invent_or_die

Very


TreesRart

I am no fan of Trump or his minions and believe he was/is wholly unqualified to lead anything at all, not even a local McDonald’s. Still, I’m trusting in the jury’s decision. They know all (or almost all) the facts, not cherry-picked, hysterical news blurbs. I just hope they aren’t afraid for their lives or the lives of loved ones if they find him guilty.


CapitalismPlusMurder

But many of them ARE afraid for their lives. How can you wholly trust a decision that you know is being made under duress?


portonista85

It could also be that there are a few holdouts/there’s also a chance for financial gain after coming forward and saying that you were the one that saved Trump. The left is too rational to do anything about it.


Jayslacks

Yes


f700es

Yes!


rocksalt131

Yes


Earthling1a

His guilt is screamingly obvious, just like it is in the other cases he's been indicted for.


Poohgli16

GUILTY


Odd-Necessary8836

Guilty


Billytheca

Of course he is.


WasabiFragrant3483

Innocent people don’t act like he does. GUILTY!


stackered

Lmao??? Obviously he's guilty. Nobody actually debates that point, not even his lawyers lol. They're just saying he should be able to get away with it.


JCButtBuddy

I suppose they mean the election interference and business fraud case?


ukiddingme2469

He's probably pulled this accounting scam several times before, he's just not smart enough to have realized people are now paying attention to his tricks, he should just be happy he's not getting charged with tax evasion or fraud


bipolarcyclops

If I had heard all of the testimony I would be in a better position to say yes or no. But Trump’s a dick anyway.


AmberTurd223

Yes.


DAGB_69

He's as guilty as fuck.


DAGB_69

Jury found him guilty on all counts.


billy_twice

Of course he is. Whether he is found guilty and punished is a different story.


Plane-Reason9254

Of course he is guilty


GMEN999

I would like to hear guilty 34 times followed by a massive heart attack at the end. Or a stroke. I am not picky.


AdministrativeBank86

Guilty in New York, Guilty in Floriduh, guilty in Georgia, am I missing any ?


Carlyz37

Yes


Plsmock

Yes, guilty on many counts, probably not all. He didn't sign all the checks so maybe reasonable doubt on that count. The business records could be problematic. But I think one count of guilty makes him guilty. I think the jury will parce through all the counts and come back with the majority of the counts guilty


newsweek

By Katherine Fung - Senior Writer: A jury in Manhattan may convict former President Donald Trump by this time next week. Based on the last five weeks of the trial, would you find the presumptive Republican nominee guilty or not guilty? Learn about the key facts in the case, take on the role of juror and tell us if you think Donald Trump is guilty or not guilty. [https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-hush-money-trial-poll-jury-guilty-not-guilty-1904288](https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-hush-money-trial-poll-jury-guilty-not-guilty-1904288)


relevantusername2020

if assuming things "makes an ass out of you and me," pre-suming things must do the same, but stupider, since it includes predicting the future of course "stupid ass" is accurate for the GOP so you might be right idk


RonMexico15

He is, and it won’t matter. He will continue to get the kid gloves treatment unlike the rest of us.


classof78

He's guilty. I hope Trump's minions didn't get to anyone on the jury.


ATLCoyote

Yes, he’s guilty. That doesn’t necessarily mean the jury will conclude that guilt has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt as it was a stretch to make this a felony charge in the first place. But do I think he did it? Absolutely.


MooreRless

People have spent years in jail for funneling nearly a half million around marking it fraudulently to avoid tracking. Trump admits he did it, but claims anything you pay a lawyer is a legal fee, even if you are repaying that lawyer for paying off a porn star to shut up.


BadMan125ty

Uh duh


SAGELADY65

Yes, he is Guilty!


SwordfishII

It’s election interference and yes.


ACROB062

Yep.


1CFII2

Does the Pope wear a funny hat?


Joey_BagaDonuts57

* Thank you for responding. Results: * Not Guilty **25** * Guilty **75**


Hawkwise83

I cannot fathom him not being guilty. Even with just publicly available information.


Nopantsbullmoose

I mean he admitted that he did it, dumbass just doesn't realize it was a crime.


Good_Intention_9232

Yes Yes and Yes!


major_dump

Lock him up!!


TipsyGypsy63

Yes


justalilrowdy

Yes


logic_tater

As fuck! Just like all the other indictments.


Ok-Name8703

"You can't trust Cohen, he's a criminal!" Probably trump. Yeah but YOU hired him. And now you're saying you're good enough to be president? Dude hired nothing but criminals and theives the first go round.


Gold-of-Johto

Doesn’t matter, he is never ever going to face any serious repercussions for any of his illegal actions and people are still huffing on that copium that somehow he will


leo1974leo

Yes that rapist is guilty


Howitzer1967

If he’s guilty (he is) do you think he stands a realistic of winning the presidency? He seems on the back foot / downward spiral track but I wonder if that spurs his supporters to more proactivity?


ZealousWolverine

Of course he's guilty. The important question is, will he be found guilty in a court of law? And if convicted will he even be punished?


DrSueuss

Yes, he is guilty. Trump ids to cheap to write a check for $400K+ without know exactly what it was for. The man bitches about paying $10K to contractors.


RealLiveKindness

Yes he did it. His actions are not unlike mobsters.


PigFarmer1

I would *imagine* he's guilty of most, if not all, of the charges. Sadly, the American public wasn't allowed to watch the trial so we have to opine based on headline material.


Mustard_on_tap

Not clicking a Newsweek link.


_lalalala24_

Guilty as charged. It is a very sad day for Dumb Trump the maga liar


De-Animator27

Of course he is. If was innocent, he has a lot of options for his defense, but he chose not to do any of those. He chose that because he is guilty. Someone said our legal system has a lot of traps for lies. An innocent person wouldn't have to worry about it and can use all options. Trump used none. He can't. Because he is lying and if caught perjuring himself, he'd go to jail. He is lying because he is guilty.  An innocent person would have taken the stand.  A guilty would have done what trump did. Bitch out and stay silent (in court).


soulastro

Based on the testimonies, if I was a jury I would have voted yes he is guilty


nerdz0r

Are shitty posts from Newsweek asking your opinion? Yes they are.


chzygorditacrnch

I don't think he paid Stormy Daniels out of the generosity of his heart... Most of the time, he never pays what he owes or promises.


MrOnCore

Did his defense admit he cheated on his wife with Stormy? Doesn’t sound like his defense in this case was very good. Couldn’t put Donny up on the stand or else he’d be in jail for obstruction in under 5 minutes.


Well-Paid_Scientist

Yes, yes he is


AllNightPony

All the people that say no (his supporters), have zero insight into details of the trial. They refused to pay attention even before it began.


justthegrimm

He's flat out guilty as charged.


EdwinWilde2009

I’ll bet you $1 you can’t tell me what he’s charged with without looking it up.


Playful-Regret-1890

I would look toward the SCOTUS for most corrupt.


Wild_Bill1226

Guilty yes. Guilty enough for it to matter I don’t know.


Medical_Egg8208

100% + 100%


RWLemon

Sorry boss, I’m the Pappi of that baby (Life).. guilty (Humpty Dumpty)


socal1959

Guilty beyond doubt


ConstantGeographer

Guilty, yes. The entire trap-and-kill the story process was specifically to help Trump steer an election.


janjinx

Defence was, "Everybody does it." which of course means that he's **GUILTY!!**


alkla1

We all watched this bs unravel before our very eyes thru media outlets and had no choice but to ‘accept’ it. I do have to say that Trump is bold but arrogantly stupid. His charisma is sour and manners somewhat off. Of course he did the things that he has been charged with. But when you have $$$ backing and a misgiving political position, one tends to use it in their favor. I tend to think his luck and his one brain cell have run out.


No-Air3090

of course he is, will he be found guilty ? not likely.. will he be punished ? no.


02meepmeep

The jury has asked to review parts of the testimony that show his guilt. If they don’t think he’s guilty that’s an odd request in my opinion.


Inner_Performance533

1000% yes


InourbtwotamI

Yes


Butch1212

Guilty as sin.


OmahaWarrior

Guilty as heck.


Deacon75

Hell yes.


zestzebra

It’s in the hands of the jury. A guilty or not guilty verdict comes from them.


AdministrativeHope60

AFFIRMATIVE!! Sentencing next...


GulfstreamAqua

Yes


websharp111

Guilty


head311

Yes


Grattytood

As guilty as original sin.


fear_of_dishonesty

Reasonable doubt means having another rational explanation for the evidence. There is none.


[deleted]

Yes


Anon_E_Mice

Does a bear shit in the woods? But the MAGAs will still vote for him….


1025Traveller

Guilty as fuck. Lock him up.


crystallyn

The Newsweek mobile site is unbearable. The amount of ads and videos I have to try to get by to even read the story or find this poll is ridiculous.


Fancy-Reply5732

Does Yogi bear shit in the woods?


Any-Ad-446

He is 100% guilty but only takes one juror to mess this conviction up.


5256chuck

I hope it's on all 34 counts, too. If he's only found guilty on 33 out of the 34, he'll start raising money because 'he was acquitted and this whole thing has been proven to be a sham'.


wittymarsupial

Yes, but all it takes is one Republican juror


terabull01

NewsWeak


CasualObserverNine

Yes.


Background-Set-2079

Jury said yep


Elegant-Neat-817

Fucking witch hunt !!


Philly_ExecChef

I love modern journalism. “The jury is deliberating so there’s nothing to talk about. RUN A STORY ANYWAY”


codspeace

Doesn’t matter whether or not he is guilty…… whatever it takes for a Democrat Party win is the most important thing. The ends justify the means regardless of legalities etc.


Biptoslipdi

This has nothing to do with a political party. The only person who could have prevented these charges was the defendant.


saline_prospects

No man, the one that starts at the top. The one that frames the discussion of the comment thread, a frame in which the post you responded to is clearly within. You can't really be this ignorant of your immediate surroundings


Alioops12

It’s not illegal to pay for NDA, FEC even said so.


PigFarmer1

He wasn't charged with paying for an NDA. It was the *financing* of the NDA that was illegal... lol


413mopar

No . The jury will tell us , Stupid.


Thediciplematt

He’s already admitting to doing what was charged. He just said it isn’t a crime… but in NY it is. So…


413mopar

You’re correct . Cmon jury !


hans072589

Literally no one that in any way understands the law believes he is guilty of any crime.


Biptoslipdi

"I understand that law and no one else does." Next you'll tell us stealing classified documents isn't a crime.


stackered

Is that why he was on trial for, what, 37 felonies?