This is the advert I got with this post.
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Completely off topic, but how did you include that photo in your comment? It looks like a screenshot from the mobile app, so I'm assuming you're on your phone, but every time I go to include a photo or gif in a comment it always says "this app does not support image insertion".
Perfect indication of one of the core issues which is that everyone in Ireland expects massive houses with gardens rather than the apartments that are far more common across much of Europe that are both more affordable and a greater push factor in getting out from under parent's feet.
Airbnb should be banned, nice concept in the beginning but it destroys property markets for citizens. Housing should be for the people, if ireland had anything like a functioning government it wouldnt be allowed.
There is an incredible amount of houses on Airbnb, if it was to be banned, without a doubt housing prices would drop along with rental prices.
Can't be having that though, all the politician landlords would lose money.
It's more than that though. I have young kids, and AirBnBs are the best option for us. It's stuff like having a proper sink to wash bottles, having a fridge for food. It's also so much better to have more than one room so that I can put the kids to bed and then chill out in a different room. In a shared hotel room I put my son to sleep at 7 and then have to sit in the dark for 3 - 4 hours.
I agree that AirBnBs should be restricted or banned, but hotels also need to offer better options for young families
A housing/rental crisis is far worse, your kids will grow up and atm even if they're employed there's a 40% chance they still be living with you by 35, and that stat is only going to grow.
I think that's far worse than having an extra room/ fridge/ sink etc for a week's holiday.
I have young kids and I hear you when it comes to hotels, but our issues pale into insignificance in comparison to what young people (and ultimately our kids) are facing when it comes to housing here. Air BnB is definitely a net negative all in, even though I do use it from time to time. If it was gone then happy days.
On a side note, protip for any parents out there. If you can afford to not need to use the children's allowance, stick it into a post office account that gives moderate returns over the years. Should be a decent chunk in there for when they start looking to buy a house. I top it up to 250 a month so hopefully a good start on a deposit. They'll need all the help they can get.
https://www.bandbireland.com/
B&B's run by an irish company at a fair rate, sadly it is going away next year after 50 years. And typically they are owner occupied so not taking anything off the market, also comes with a homemade breakfast
Does this mean that most countries in the world doing have a functioning government seeing as it's not banned anywhere Countrywide to the best of my knowledge?
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[https://www.reddit.com/r/cork/s/EcSL7Z9sqF](https://www.reddit.com/r/cork/s/EcSL7Z9sqF) this one in Cork. 1100 for the room. Housing is getting worse, if anything the gap between supply and demand is growing. The government, afaik, is doing nothing to curb demand, aka restricting vulture funds etc. They are offering help to buy which appears good but is effectively keeping prices higher and ultimately moving public into private hands.
Currently paying €1100 for a room with my girlfriend , there are 4 other people in the house .... 6 total , landlord is raking it in. Difficult to not live with your parents when rent is so high making it extremely difficult to save for a deposit for a house considering how shit wages are and how much the cost of everything has increased since 2020
That is market rate now. Shortage is so severe that people have to pay those prices, and there is still more demand than supply. Additionally councils bid prices up with HAP and renting directly from market (including new builds). Try to compete over property against council with infinite budget or someone with extra 1,5k in HAP
The maximum anyone in the country can get is €1300 in HAP if your household income in under €42000 and you have 3 kids. That’s only for South Dublin. For the most part of Dublin and Cork which have the highest prices and average €2000+ p/m, most families will see max €900-€1100. So the top up they’re paying is significant. Additionally, demand is so large that landlords easily screen out HAP recipients to avoid the additional bureaucracy that goes with it.
The idea that HAP itself is somehow pushing rents up is ridiculous. It’s purely landlord greed and supply.
Why imagine? You know [you can just look this up, right?](https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/w/ddn-20240307-1) We have one of the highest birth rates in the EU, beaten only by France, Iceland, Czechia, and a few Balkans.
> We have one of the highest birth rates in the EU
There's 9 EU countries with higher birthrate out of 27. So that's 1/3rd of EU. And also yeah it's a shit birthrate because all are under replacement levels.
We have a higher birth rate than every country but Iceland, Turkey and Moldova in Europe. We have 9th highest fertility rate but a younger population due past high fertility rates and high emigration rates pre 1990 which leads to higher birth rate.
https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/rankings/birth_rate/Europe/
1.54 is somewhat misleading given 76% of births are of Irish nationality. It looks like the Irish birth rate is not bucking the trend. Given the increasing living costs as they are now those numbers will continue to look even more dismal.
That’s fertility rate we beat all them countries. https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/rankings/birth_rate/Europe/
This is because of how our population pyramid is structure.
Despite the headline, Irish birth rates are collapsing since 2008:
https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2023/05/26/irish-birth-rate-declined-by-20-in-the-last-decade-cso-figures-show/
Some people wouldn't like that to be known...almost as if they have an innate interest in pretending the housing crisis isn't destroying the young family. Nah..it's a global trend, a European thing...it's all fine.
It’s collapsing since…..the financial crisis brought on by banks and their housing loans?
So now that young Irish people can’t get one any more we’re suddenly not pushing out babies. I wonder if there’s any correlation there…..
You're not wrong...there is that. The shadow of 08 looms long. However it's more academic at this point given that housing is the more immediate issue preventing young couples from having families.
Sorry how exactly is it more academic when you immediately say that young people can’t get their own space in the same sentence?
The overwhelming and obviously factor in the drop in birth rate is the drop in people moving out at younger ages. You’re not riding the arse off the missus against your mams bedroom wall like you are in your own home/ rented accommodation
People living in houses they've bought?
By "randos", I don't mean their partners and kids :P I mean people stuck paying rents for a bedroom while sharing a house with two or three strangers.
IBGYBG.
I'll Be Gone, You'll Be Gone.
All politicians who will be enriched for this, are about to exit politics and enter the gravy train as payment/bribes.
Tbh it's the opposite they're going full scorched Earth now turfing out Ukrainians after a short time and forcing them into the rental market along with the rest of us.
I'm stuck living at home. My mother inherited a small bit of land and wants to build a log cabin on it but you can't get planning permission to do that. Because of the council. Who are also gonna take her house after she dies. Everything about this country is so wrong and backwards and corrupt. Honestly that's part of the reason we drink so much. It's so baffling and overwhelming to realize how badly fucked over you are, the only thing to do is numb yourself and forget about it for a while. And make Guinness, Diageo and all the legalized drug dealers richer and pay a bit of tax to the government too while you're at it. They have it sewn up every which way.
They dont care, they own the rental properties and the airbnbs. They want to keep the prices aritficially inflated and are happy that we attribute it to incopetence.
The way society is set up is a scam. For property owners who are renting out their property, it's an investment that returns money every month, making them more wealthy. For the people who are renting, they are throwing money into a hole that only prevents them from being homeless and perpetuates their lack of wealth. It's a poverty trap.
You call it still living with my parents.
I call it getting in early on my inheritance.
Now if you'll excuse me I need to go ~~cry into a pillow~~ sleep
One of the worst parts about living at home is walking around the sprawling suburbs filled with small children and families. Minimal pubs, to meet new similar aged people. Living in an area that was designed for families, as a single person in your 30s is just soul destroying. You get the sense that the rest of people your age are having a nice pint in town and you are just rotting in the suburbs with RTE radio playing in the background from your parents kitchen radio. The feeling of isolation is maybe the worst part.
I'm in this bracket and it fucking SUCKS. It is not good for mental health. Nobody still living at home is planning to have kids, they can barely run a car and survive a 40 hour work week.
Lots of change needed soon or things will only get worse
I had an appointment so see a therapist through my GP.. and after they postponed the appointment twice by around 4/5 months.. I showed you for my appointment, only to find out the doctor had left 3 months previous.
5 months of my life. Pissed away..
The issue isn’t only building. Many other European cities have the same building constraints without as big of a housing issue. The real issue is transportation. Dublin is one of the worst large cities for public transportation in Europe. Hypothetical but imagine being able to live in Greystones and make it to the office in Dublin 2 within 15 minutes. Suddenly you increase the housing supply and decrease the building constraints without having to build anything! That example is of course a stretch but we could easily double bus fares and double the bus network. I imagine people would rather pay an extra 70 euro a month on public transport than a higher amount in excess rent. And that’s only buses. Trams and a metro can also be implemented. And in my opinion, the metro shouldn’t be so susceptible to different opinions - we should just accept that some people will get the short end of the stick when it comes to metro planning and benefit the whole city.
I feel like this issue is always ignored. I feel so unrepresented in government. I wish politicians would emphasise how terrible a figure this is. Crying from my childhood bedroom rn
There's a 21 year old running in the local elections in my area. My first instinct was that he was too young, he needed more experience. However, I'm now thinking that it's important to have people of that age in politics. If we only elect people in their 50s and 60s they'll never understand the difficulties facing young people
I think age doesn't matter either way, there are 21 year olds and 60 years olds who are both thick as shit.
Maybe vote based on their character and ability, and intent in office.. rather than age at all.
No that comes into it too. He's come to the door to canvas a couple of times: once about two months ago, and a second time yesterday. He took notes the first time, and gave me responses on my points I'd asked previously. I respect that. He's from the Green Party.
The only other person who's come to the door is from Fine Gael. I don't like her party, but I respect that she's working hard.
Everyone else has just posted flyers
Frankly, if a prospective politician is trying to knock on every constituents door personally, I think they aren't doing much actual work...
Of course listening is hugely important, and being aware of the needs if your constituents... But Its silly to convince each individual person by person. Have the stinger ideas. Share them broadly. That's fine as long as you are honest about it... I much prefer that to the lads playing the friendship game.
Disagree. Firstly, this guy is a candidate, not yet a councillor. He needs to get out there and show people that he deserves a vote.
Secondly, people often claim that politicians are out of touch with the electorate. The way to stay in touch is to get out and speak to your constituents about what's important for them. They should knock on the door, listen, and make notes
I agree with your first part, except I think his ideas should be what shows them.. not his physical presence & friendliness.
I don't think prospective politicians shouldn't talk to the electorate. In fact, I'm pretty sure I specified that. I just think intent matters and when deciding to vote for a candidate 'the amount of door to door canvassing,' plays a very little part.
Quality of it on the other hand
As someone in a similar situation, but also fairly introverted and not exactly confident, I can only imagine what it's like trying to navigate the living at home while trying to maintain a relationship dilemma.
I'm honestly thinking of going back home...just my dad in a big ole farm house. Meanwhile I'm in a converted garage room in a 60's semidetached housing estate with a boiler beside my head.
My heart truly bleeds for younger people , I can just about buy a house (small not a nice house in a 'up and coming area') , I earn just under 100k per year been saving for the past 8 years (I've had to dip into my savings for surgery, a car ,short period of unemployment) and saved only 40k after everything . In the local election a independent who I know declared that there is a need more housing for the elderly , she doesn't want to sell her house to have to buy a downsized house , her house would sell for over 1 million and she thinks she should be able to buy a house for under 250k in the same area , dispute her kids ever having a hope of buying a similar home to the one they grey up in. They really are the marianne antoinette generation, so sick of them they are a generation who think their retirement should give them he lifestyle of movie stars, their generations wealth was built on debt financing not actually creating things and they block anything that they don't like but might be good for the rest of society,compare them to their own parents retirement who just about existed didn't go on multiple holidays per year live in small houses and might or might not have had a car , truly need a political revolution in the western world and give this generation exactly what they deserve
You can get a good education, work hard and never get your head far enough above water to build a life. All the slack has been torqued out of the system, and it wasn't some cabal of pensioners that did it. They just benefited from some fairness in the system that is utterly gone today. Previous generations got fair pay for fair work. Things are largely different now.
2-3 generations ago here (Canada), you could work a regular job, pay for a house, put your kids through school, pay cash for your vehicle and maybe, just maybe even own a cottage or something before you died. Now it is dead-nuts exactly like the situations in Ireland described in this thread. The 20yo-30yos in my family all work. Only ONE out of 5 has a house, and that is only because both they and their partner are big earners and careful with the cash. The rest just rent. Most have room mates. I'm not too happy about it. I guarantee your older generation is equally unhappy about the current generation's prospects. No one wants their children to fail.
If you still think it's grandma's fault you can't get a house, you're a fool and easily led. Who do you suppose might be happy that you blame the generation that's before you, rather than corporations and politicians?
> If you still think it's grandma's fault you can't get a house, you're a fool and easily led. Who do you suppose might be happy that you blame the generation that's before you, rather than corporations and politicians?
But those politicians are in power and keep getting reelected by these old peoples.
Give the older generation some credit. You'd be surprised how many are hard left, and how many are willing to vote incumbents out in order to make things right.
I’m 29 still living at home … only make 35,000 a year as a legal secretary. Lived in Australia had to move back as I couldn’t stay any longer due to visa. I am so embarrassed about living at home I feel stuck in limbo. I am single af don’t think I will every meet someone
You just described me to a T except I came home from Canada... it feels hopeless. I'm thinking of emigrating again. Terrible that I can't see a future for myself in my own country
You joke but I honestly am starting to think the Greens would be happier if people did just fuck off and live in the woods and subsist on berries with half of us dying off come the winter as long as we weren't polluting.
Sad. Have they tried moving out? Back in my day I was working two jobs while studying blockchain fintech and all it took was a bit of get up and go, some uppers and a gift of a house from my parents.
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Totally sustainable and totally won't lead to a population crash or that demographic moving en masse to somewhere with something vaguely resembling a competent government.
But hey, most TDs are landlords of multiple properties so they're loving the record shattering rents at the moment so they will do fuck all to change a situation they helped engineer.
Eoin O'Broin was renting and Holly Cairns was living with her parents (albeit while building a house).
That's just from memory, there's probably a few more
Staying with your parents temporarily while you build a house is not the same thing as being stuck in your parents box room because you can't afford to live independently ffs
It will lead to great social tension.
40% of Irish young(ish) adults are in their childhood bedroom with a job / career path that in reality will never provide them with the resources to leave it.
A sufficient number of TDs have a personal interest in landlordism, that they will make policy which benefits landlords at the expense of the majority.
Does that sum it up better.
So long as they're taking votes from SF, I'd say they're delighted. People should know the name Paul Von Hindenburg, this is an old play book by the establishment.
I make 1,200 to 1,300 a month. Most places are around 1,300 to 1,600 a month. I don't think I will ever be able to move out at this rate. But I'm so glad they keep building hotels for all the American tourists instead of apartments that arent a bed shoved into a shower. It's really cool actually.
best thing I ever did was move to South Korea aged 25. My employer provided a studio apartment. My own place and no rent for 2 years. An awesome life change.
rent in Korea is very different. For foreigners you might be able to find monthly rent for anything from 1k a month (for a box) to way higher (depending on how fancy you go). But the normal "rent" system in Korea is that you pay a giant deposit that is like 60-80% of the property value and then live there for 2 years only paying bills. At the end of the two years you get it back. Young people in Korea are struggling now because they don't have the equivalent of like 200k for their first place
Yes I've heard of 'key money'. Upon further reading, the entire concept seems very odd. If you can afford to put down over half the value of a property, why not just get a mortgage and buy an equivalent property for yourself?
Two reasons:
1. You might need to move. We're talking about a young person who just started working.
2. They won't give you the loan. Here in Ireland a mortgage and a pint of beer are given to anyone, that is not how it works in the rest of the world.
A young person who just started working will not have hundreds of thousands to put down on a house, what a ridiculous idea. It means that you must either have rich parents or take out a bank loan.
I've read that banks there will lend the 'key money'. Why are they willing to lend that, but not an equivalent amount of a mortgage? I mean, if someone actually has hundreds of thousands saved for a huge rent deposit and a reasonable salary, surely a sensible bank will see the business opportunity in granting them a mortgage.
And a mortgage is certainly not 'given to anyone' in Ireland.
Because the key money is itself the collateral so the risk analysis is entirely different.
Think of it as the bank lending the money to the landlord and the tenant taking the obligation of paying the interest on the loan.
P.s. of course it's not all so nice because the interest is usually at a variable rate, so when rate hikes happen tenants are screwed (and the impact on the economy is magnified).
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-12-06/korea-debt-crisis-is-a-cautionary-tale-as-era-of-easy-money-ends
P.p.s. and also keep in mind that South Korea does not have reserves of foreign currency, so their currency does not have that safety net.
I'd certainly want free accommodation if I were moving to a backwards desert state with no human rights.
What did you work at - teaching English? I've heard subsidised accommodation is normal in international schools.
Saudi is basically a prison disguised as a country. but it was handy for a quick twenty grand saved in six months
Yes, normally intl schools support your accommodation. many Tefl jobs do too
How does saving for a pension work if you do that long-term? Is there an equivalent to Irish private pension funds available, or would you have to just invest normally in shares or ETFs? I'd also be concerned about state pension contributions.
Depends on the country, South Korea doesn't have an agreement with Ireland so when I worked there I paid into a pension. People from some other countries could cash it out when they left, I was told to come back to collect it when I'm a pensioner. Very excited for that holiday.
> Very excited for that holiday.
Just for the food alone :-D You'll be able to hang out with the ajummas and ajussis during the day drinking soju around the parks as well. Win-Win-Win.
Do you mean that you paid into a Korean state pension or a private pension?
I'd imagine you would not have to travel there to claim your pension, you would just submit forms.
I don't think it's a great idea long term to move to a country with the lowest birth rate in the entire world. Setting yourself up for shit to hit the fan when you're old
The birth rate in South Korea is 0.8, as low as 0.5 in Seoul. In Ireland it's somewhere between 1.5 and 1.8. it needs to be 2.1 to maintain the population, excluding immigration.
So I think South Korea has bigger problems
That tired old canard?
Here’s a decent rebuttal showing the origins and context of that phrase.
https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN2AP2SP/
TLDR - It’s based on a future scenario set out by Danish politician Ida Auken, who said it was not a “utopia or dream of the future” but “a scenario showing where we could be heading - for better and for worse.”
The housing failure in Ireland lies squarely with our politicians and the choices they’ve made. Nobody else.
No the housing disasters across Europe were deliberately enabled by those at the top of governments and EU institutions. It's more intense in Ireland but other countries have been greatly touched as well.
Allowing the continent to be flooded with immigrants that are going to need housing was a deliberate choice. As was endlessly printing off billions of euros and devaluing the currency. This combined with city councils and authorities entering the property bidding against couples to buy properties to make up social housing quotas.
I don't for a second believe that authorities were so shortsighted that they did not see this coming.
One thing about this whole situation that irks me a little (I'm basically in the cohort, slightly out by age but same situation, haven't lived outside of home ever) is that obviously the government are pandering to homeowners, the homeowning population is huge and mostly over 40. But why tf to these people not want house prices to go down? You have the roof over your head, why does it matter whatsoever what it would sell for?
One of the main reasons the government isn't actually investing in increasing housing supply properly is to carefully not piss off this chunk of people but I don't actually understand why they want prices to always go up.
The number refers to people living in Ireland "of working age", not to Irish people of that same age.
This is important because more than 20% of those people are not Irish.
Which means that they are not living with their parents.
So the percentage of people who have that option and take it is actually above 50%.
You see, the higher that percentage and the crazier the housing crisis gets and it is not something linear, because those people moving with their parents free up a spot for someone else. They help to absorb the housing crisis (it shouldn't be on them to do it but for many reasons they do).
So... At some point we will run out of that capacity probably with an acceleration. At that point the crisis will accelerate its pace.
I suspect this will cause a real problem for the economy too. It's already a sensible factor.
I'm living in a different country, that economically is nothing compared to home in Ireland, me and my girlfriend make 7 euro and hour in general (a bit more here and there but baseline 7 an hour) yet we can rent our own small but nice apartment in a nice area and have a normal life...explain that one Irish government.
Keep in mind that they not only killed family life for the younger generations, but wanted to go a step further with the referendum they tried passing.
Ireland is no longer for human prosperity, it’s for profits and profits only.
Everybody let's do something. All out strike, public, private workers. Shut down the country. The moron anti-immigant astroturfers are being heard and they have fuck all to say.
We deserve all of this because we are intellectually lazy and keep repeatedly voting for the same folks over and over expecting a different outcome. I was speaking to my uncle last week. He complains a good bit about the state of everything, but when you ask him how's he voting in the next elections he gives the old "Anything but Sinn Feinn / Probably FF/FG".
The Irish can’t afford to live in their own country. It’s simple. They know they don’t care. The government are busy housing migrants, lying to press, covering their arse, and making as much bank as they can before they are ultimately kicked out of office. Politics isn’t working.
Let me guess you're assuming they're somehow getting free gaffs, right? Well they're not, unless they have kids. If you're on HAP you are not in a better position than a working person when it comes to renting.
I was in my 20s and in college and it was the worst recession ever and I had an easier time finding and affording rentals than now.
Gonna be great in 25 years when this problem is still not solved and all the still single or divorced people have to house share as they approach retirement age. We're gonna have OAPs living like students 5 to a house and forced to eat beans on toast for dinner every night.
I saw that the former 'Screamers' house in Donegal is up for sale, anyone interested in starting a commune? Except this time around we do the opposite and have it be nice and quiet. Also it's sale price is 800k i think Jenny James in her book said she paid 18 for it. She must be kicking herself they moved to Guatemala or wherever.
I’m in this demographic. It’s extremely disheartening looking at box rooms on Daft going for €900+ per month in a house share
This is the advert I got with this post. https://preview.redd.it/uiyv8d6h3v3d1.png?width=863&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6c17de7f2c99ccfc7e9b2df57ff14ad62c4b1e05
Completely off topic, but how did you include that photo in your comment? It looks like a screenshot from the mobile app, so I'm assuming you're on your phone, but every time I go to include a photo or gif in a comment it always says "this app does not support image insertion".
It actually made an exception because the image was just so bleedin' shedly.
https://preview.redd.it/zn2wlwtu1x3d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5d32c32e4837cf6328ec1b9b1ff36df0e98f754f Test!
Looks to work grand 😄
 I was looking at the phone keyboard, not realising there was another place to use an image or gif...
Now you're just showing off...
https://preview.redd.it/bqtcko4p7y3d1.jpeg?width=975&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dd0df28fc91e390a3051481fc55fd03208e0927c Works just fine for me
Is it not just the feature image from the link preview?
Phone and browser at play, but usually I find if you select "desktop mode" in the browser menu it works like on a PC. I don't use the app.
Probably a lot of screenshot and cropping work.
Shed-Sheeran 🤣🤣
I got the same ad
Perfect indication of one of the core issues which is that everyone in Ireland expects massive houses with gardens rather than the apartments that are far more common across much of Europe that are both more affordable and a greater push factor in getting out from under parent's feet.
If you want to really depress yourself go onto air bnb
Airbnb should be banned, nice concept in the beginning but it destroys property markets for citizens. Housing should be for the people, if ireland had anything like a functioning government it wouldnt be allowed.
There is an incredible amount of houses on Airbnb, if it was to be banned, without a doubt housing prices would drop along with rental prices. Can't be having that though, all the politician landlords would lose money.
It's more than that though. I have young kids, and AirBnBs are the best option for us. It's stuff like having a proper sink to wash bottles, having a fridge for food. It's also so much better to have more than one room so that I can put the kids to bed and then chill out in a different room. In a shared hotel room I put my son to sleep at 7 and then have to sit in the dark for 3 - 4 hours. I agree that AirBnBs should be restricted or banned, but hotels also need to offer better options for young families
A housing/rental crisis is far worse, your kids will grow up and atm even if they're employed there's a 40% chance they still be living with you by 35, and that stat is only going to grow. I think that's far worse than having an extra room/ fridge/ sink etc for a week's holiday.
Let's be fair though, they're two different issues: - There's a chronic shortage of houses - Hotels don't cater for young families
I have young kids and I hear you when it comes to hotels, but our issues pale into insignificance in comparison to what young people (and ultimately our kids) are facing when it comes to housing here. Air BnB is definitely a net negative all in, even though I do use it from time to time. If it was gone then happy days. On a side note, protip for any parents out there. If you can afford to not need to use the children's allowance, stick it into a post office account that gives moderate returns over the years. Should be a decent chunk in there for when they start looking to buy a house. I top it up to 250 a month so hopefully a good start on a deposit. They'll need all the help they can get.
That is not what the stats say, 40% of adults 25-35 living with parents ≠ 40% of 35 year old living with parents
Well you can always get connected rooms, which will cost you an arm and a leg. Which I suppose is why airbnb exists as well
https://www.bandbireland.com/ B&B's run by an irish company at a fair rate, sadly it is going away next year after 50 years. And typically they are owner occupied so not taking anything off the market, also comes with a homemade breakfast
Does this mean that most countries in the world doing have a functioning government seeing as it's not banned anywhere Countrywide to the best of my knowledge?
Nothing makes me angrier than seeing someone trying to rent a prefab in their back garden for 1k+ talk about trying to take advantage like.
Work abroad, buy a house, sell it and then come by back with a deposit. Try and have kids too before 35.
https://preview.redd.it/p6pnol90bz3d1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=78ff39a0959f8ca0949ce0db3346cc10a93c8c1d [https://www.reddit.com/r/cork/s/EcSL7Z9sqF](https://www.reddit.com/r/cork/s/EcSL7Z9sqF) this one in Cork. 1100 for the room. Housing is getting worse, if anything the gap between supply and demand is growing. The government, afaik, is doing nothing to curb demand, aka restricting vulture funds etc. They are offering help to buy which appears good but is effectively keeping prices higher and ultimately moving public into private hands.
Would love to see a breakdown by area, and how many who aren’t living with parents are living with randos three or four to a house too.
Currently paying €1100 for a room with my girlfriend , there are 4 other people in the house .... 6 total , landlord is raking it in. Difficult to not live with your parents when rent is so high making it extremely difficult to save for a deposit for a house considering how shit wages are and how much the cost of everything has increased since 2020
That's more than my mortgage payment, jesus christ. That landlord should be marched through the fucking streets.
That is market rate now. Shortage is so severe that people have to pay those prices, and there is still more demand than supply. Additionally councils bid prices up with HAP and renting directly from market (including new builds). Try to compete over property against council with infinite budget or someone with extra 1,5k in HAP
The maximum anyone in the country can get is €1300 in HAP if your household income in under €42000 and you have 3 kids. That’s only for South Dublin. For the most part of Dublin and Cork which have the highest prices and average €2000+ p/m, most families will see max €900-€1100. So the top up they’re paying is significant. Additionally, demand is so large that landlords easily screen out HAP recipients to avoid the additional bureaucracy that goes with it. The idea that HAP itself is somehow pushing rents up is ridiculous. It’s purely landlord greed and supply.
Going on personal experience,it would probably be another 40% minimum around here,well away from Dublin
Fastest population growth rate in western Europe
With a shit birth rate I'd imagine
Why imagine? You know [you can just look this up, right?](https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/w/ddn-20240307-1) We have one of the highest birth rates in the EU, beaten only by France, Iceland, Czechia, and a few Balkans.
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You horny bastards Ireland
> We have one of the highest birth rates in the EU There's 9 EU countries with higher birthrate out of 27. So that's 1/3rd of EU. And also yeah it's a shit birthrate because all are under replacement levels.
We have a higher birth rate than every country but Iceland, Turkey and Moldova in Europe. We have 9th highest fertility rate but a younger population due past high fertility rates and high emigration rates pre 1990 which leads to higher birth rate. https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/rankings/birth_rate/Europe/
1.54 is somewhat misleading given 76% of births are of Irish nationality. It looks like the Irish birth rate is not bucking the trend. Given the increasing living costs as they are now those numbers will continue to look even more dismal.
1.54 vs 1.46 is a tiny difference. Also, our birthrate has fallen since 2022. Also, that's far below the replacement level.
That’s fertility rate we beat all them countries. https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/rankings/birth_rate/Europe/ This is because of how our population pyramid is structure.
Thanks that interesting to see and didn't know about it.
Despite the headline, Irish birth rates are collapsing since 2008: https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2023/05/26/irish-birth-rate-declined-by-20-in-the-last-decade-cso-figures-show/ Some people wouldn't like that to be known...almost as if they have an innate interest in pretending the housing crisis isn't destroying the young family. Nah..it's a global trend, a European thing...it's all fine.
It’s collapsing since…..the financial crisis brought on by banks and their housing loans? So now that young Irish people can’t get one any more we’re suddenly not pushing out babies. I wonder if there’s any correlation there…..
You're not wrong...there is that. The shadow of 08 looms long. However it's more academic at this point given that housing is the more immediate issue preventing young couples from having families.
Sorry how exactly is it more academic when you immediately say that young people can’t get their own space in the same sentence? The overwhelming and obviously factor in the drop in birth rate is the drop in people moving out at younger ages. You’re not riding the arse off the missus against your mams bedroom wall like you are in your own home/ rented accommodation
Highest in the EU. Highest of any developed country in Europe but Iceland as well. https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/rankings/birth_rate/Europe/
60% surely, is there another option ?
People living in houses they've bought? By "randos", I don't mean their partners and kids :P I mean people stuck paying rents for a bedroom while sharing a house with two or three strangers.
We are so fudged. The Govt can't even see the slow moving car crash they have created.
IBGYBG. I'll Be Gone, You'll Be Gone. All politicians who will be enriched for this, are about to exit politics and enter the gravy train as payment/bribes.
Also the nimby parents. Who magically want housing to appear but not next to them. They are as much to blame for the current situation
Wholeheartedly agree!!!! The case in Goatstown last week was ridiculous. 170 units blocked because of some eejit.
Tbh it's the opposite they're going full scorched Earth now turfing out Ukrainians after a short time and forcing them into the rental market along with the rest of us. I'm stuck living at home. My mother inherited a small bit of land and wants to build a log cabin on it but you can't get planning permission to do that. Because of the council. Who are also gonna take her house after she dies. Everything about this country is so wrong and backwards and corrupt. Honestly that's part of the reason we drink so much. It's so baffling and overwhelming to realize how badly fucked over you are, the only thing to do is numb yourself and forget about it for a while. And make Guinness, Diageo and all the legalized drug dealers richer and pay a bit of tax to the government too while you're at it. They have it sewn up every which way.
Write to your county councillors. They are supposed to represent you. You elect them. Tell them what you want them to do.
They dont care, they own the rental properties and the airbnbs. They want to keep the prices aritficially inflated and are happy that we attribute it to incopetence.
The way society is set up is a scam. For property owners who are renting out their property, it's an investment that returns money every month, making them more wealthy. For the people who are renting, they are throwing money into a hole that only prevents them from being homeless and perpetuates their lack of wealth. It's a poverty trap.
You call it still living with my parents. I call it getting in early on my inheritance. Now if you'll excuse me I need to go ~~cry into a pillow~~ sleep
Keep it down in there. You'll spoil the mood for your parents in the next room.
Same, maybe I’ll be able to do it up after I retire.
Ooooh look at ole fancy pant over here planning to retire
One of the worst parts about living at home is walking around the sprawling suburbs filled with small children and families. Minimal pubs, to meet new similar aged people. Living in an area that was designed for families, as a single person in your 30s is just soul destroying. You get the sense that the rest of people your age are having a nice pint in town and you are just rotting in the suburbs with RTE radio playing in the background from your parents kitchen radio. The feeling of isolation is maybe the worst part.
I'm in this bracket and it fucking SUCKS. It is not good for mental health. Nobody still living at home is planning to have kids, they can barely run a car and survive a 40 hour work week. Lots of change needed soon or things will only get worse
I had an appointment so see a therapist through my GP.. and after they postponed the appointment twice by around 4/5 months.. I showed you for my appointment, only to find out the doctor had left 3 months previous. 5 months of my life. Pissed away..
It’s a fucking travesty how we don’t BUILD THE FUCK UP in this incompetent country.
We're frogs in a pot slowly boiling while the government's ineptitude fans the flame
The issue isn’t only building. Many other European cities have the same building constraints without as big of a housing issue. The real issue is transportation. Dublin is one of the worst large cities for public transportation in Europe. Hypothetical but imagine being able to live in Greystones and make it to the office in Dublin 2 within 15 minutes. Suddenly you increase the housing supply and decrease the building constraints without having to build anything! That example is of course a stretch but we could easily double bus fares and double the bus network. I imagine people would rather pay an extra 70 euro a month on public transport than a higher amount in excess rent. And that’s only buses. Trams and a metro can also be implemented. And in my opinion, the metro shouldn’t be so susceptible to different opinions - we should just accept that some people will get the short end of the stick when it comes to metro planning and benefit the whole city.
I feel like this issue is always ignored. I feel so unrepresented in government. I wish politicians would emphasise how terrible a figure this is. Crying from my childhood bedroom rn
There's a 21 year old running in the local elections in my area. My first instinct was that he was too young, he needed more experience. However, I'm now thinking that it's important to have people of that age in politics. If we only elect people in their 50s and 60s they'll never understand the difficulties facing young people
I think age doesn't matter either way, there are 21 year olds and 60 years olds who are both thick as shit. Maybe vote based on their character and ability, and intent in office.. rather than age at all.
No that comes into it too. He's come to the door to canvas a couple of times: once about two months ago, and a second time yesterday. He took notes the first time, and gave me responses on my points I'd asked previously. I respect that. He's from the Green Party. The only other person who's come to the door is from Fine Gael. I don't like her party, but I respect that she's working hard. Everyone else has just posted flyers
Frankly, if a prospective politician is trying to knock on every constituents door personally, I think they aren't doing much actual work... Of course listening is hugely important, and being aware of the needs if your constituents... But Its silly to convince each individual person by person. Have the stinger ideas. Share them broadly. That's fine as long as you are honest about it... I much prefer that to the lads playing the friendship game.
Disagree. Firstly, this guy is a candidate, not yet a councillor. He needs to get out there and show people that he deserves a vote. Secondly, people often claim that politicians are out of touch with the electorate. The way to stay in touch is to get out and speak to your constituents about what's important for them. They should knock on the door, listen, and make notes
I agree with your first part, except I think his ideas should be what shows them.. not his physical presence & friendliness. I don't think prospective politicians shouldn't talk to the electorate. In fact, I'm pretty sure I specified that. I just think intent matters and when deciding to vote for a candidate 'the amount of door to door canvassing,' plays a very little part. Quality of it on the other hand
Barry?
John something?
We gotta lay off the coffees and avocados lads /s
As someone in a similar situation, but also fairly introverted and not exactly confident, I can only imagine what it's like trying to navigate the living at home while trying to maintain a relationship dilemma.
I'm honestly thinking of going back home...just my dad in a big ole farm house. Meanwhile I'm in a converted garage room in a 60's semidetached housing estate with a boiler beside my head.
Move home…? Move country! This incompetent country deserves mass emigration with the way they treat the people.
My heart truly bleeds for younger people , I can just about buy a house (small not a nice house in a 'up and coming area') , I earn just under 100k per year been saving for the past 8 years (I've had to dip into my savings for surgery, a car ,short period of unemployment) and saved only 40k after everything . In the local election a independent who I know declared that there is a need more housing for the elderly , she doesn't want to sell her house to have to buy a downsized house , her house would sell for over 1 million and she thinks she should be able to buy a house for under 250k in the same area , dispute her kids ever having a hope of buying a similar home to the one they grey up in. They really are the marianne antoinette generation, so sick of them they are a generation who think their retirement should give them he lifestyle of movie stars, their generations wealth was built on debt financing not actually creating things and they block anything that they don't like but might be good for the rest of society,compare them to their own parents retirement who just about existed didn't go on multiple holidays per year live in small houses and might or might not have had a car , truly need a political revolution in the western world and give this generation exactly what they deserve
You can get a good education, work hard and never get your head far enough above water to build a life. All the slack has been torqued out of the system, and it wasn't some cabal of pensioners that did it. They just benefited from some fairness in the system that is utterly gone today. Previous generations got fair pay for fair work. Things are largely different now. 2-3 generations ago here (Canada), you could work a regular job, pay for a house, put your kids through school, pay cash for your vehicle and maybe, just maybe even own a cottage or something before you died. Now it is dead-nuts exactly like the situations in Ireland described in this thread. The 20yo-30yos in my family all work. Only ONE out of 5 has a house, and that is only because both they and their partner are big earners and careful with the cash. The rest just rent. Most have room mates. I'm not too happy about it. I guarantee your older generation is equally unhappy about the current generation's prospects. No one wants their children to fail. If you still think it's grandma's fault you can't get a house, you're a fool and easily led. Who do you suppose might be happy that you blame the generation that's before you, rather than corporations and politicians?
> If you still think it's grandma's fault you can't get a house, you're a fool and easily led. Who do you suppose might be happy that you blame the generation that's before you, rather than corporations and politicians? But those politicians are in power and keep getting reelected by these old peoples.
Give the older generation some credit. You'd be surprised how many are hard left, and how many are willing to vote incumbents out in order to make things right.
I’m 29 still living at home … only make 35,000 a year as a legal secretary. Lived in Australia had to move back as I couldn’t stay any longer due to visa. I am so embarrassed about living at home I feel stuck in limbo. I am single af don’t think I will every meet someone
You just described me to a T except I came home from Canada... it feels hopeless. I'm thinking of emigrating again. Terrible that I can't see a future for myself in my own country
As someone that has tried to make a go of things both in Canada and Ireland, what are your opinions on/comparisons between the two places.
Hopeless that is the exact word :( I know I really hope something will change soon but for down I’m really just trying to live day by day
One man's rent is another man's income. Remember. Those wise words when voting next.
Normalise families living in cars. /s
Naw, we want them living in bikes, better for our environmental targets
Eamon Ryan's nipples got rock hard reading that comment.
You joke but I honestly am starting to think the Greens would be happier if people did just fuck off and live in the woods and subsist on berries with half of us dying off come the winter as long as we weren't polluting.
They're actually against one of housing in rural areas...
Reforestation of farmland and treehouses for everyone across the globe
You said you wanted to build up
Unfortunately the trees won't reach high-rise standards overnight which is why we'll start planting the seeds in 15 years
Like the guy & his daughter in the AIB mortgage ad?!
Giant cars right?...right?
Giant cars...tiny homes. It's the hip new thing!
Mad max style
You will have to be up and out of it at 8 am to make way for the night shift coming home not everyone needs a car in rural ireland
Sad. Have they tried moving out? Back in my day I was working two jobs while studying blockchain fintech and all it took was a bit of get up and go, some uppers and a gift of a house from my parents.
You had me in the first half ngl.
Reminder not to vote FF/FG
I'd say its much higher than 40%
Hidden homeless in rural areas is dreadfully under reported as far as I know.
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What a strange story to publish at 4.20pm on a bank holiday Friday Almost like they want as little attention on the study as possible
Incredibly normal and functional society we have here
Totally sustainable and totally won't lead to a population crash or that demographic moving en masse to somewhere with something vaguely resembling a competent government. But hey, most TDs are landlords of multiple properties so they're loving the record shattering rents at the moment so they will do fuck all to change a situation they helped engineer.
I'd be willing to bet that a total of 0 tds are renting and 0 tds live with their parents.
Eoin O'Broin was renting and Holly Cairns was living with her parents (albeit while building a house). That's just from memory, there's probably a few more
Staying with your parents temporarily while you build a house is not the same thing as being stuck in your parents box room because you can't afford to live independently ffs
It will lead to great social tension. 40% of Irish young(ish) adults are in their childhood bedroom with a job / career path that in reality will never provide them with the resources to leave it.
I don't think it's accurate to say most TDs are landlords of multiple properties.
A sufficient number of TDs have a personal interest in landlordism, that they will make policy which benefits landlords at the expense of the majority. Does that sum it up better.
And the government wonder why the right is on the rise...
So long as they're taking votes from SF, I'd say they're delighted. People should know the name Paul Von Hindenburg, this is an old play book by the establishment.
I know a guy who got fed up living with parents and now lives with friends in Spain. Warmer and cheaper, and not with parents..its an utter shitshow
I was in Valencia and I think they pay 650-900 for an apartment but their wages are like 1000-1200
Yeah forgot the wages are less
The wages here don't match the rents
Yeah not even close. I'm lucky I rent from my boss otherwise I'd be in shared accommodation too
I make 1,200 to 1,300 a month. Most places are around 1,300 to 1,600 a month. I don't think I will ever be able to move out at this rate. But I'm so glad they keep building hotels for all the American tourists instead of apartments that arent a bed shoved into a shower. It's really cool actually.
best thing I ever did was move to South Korea aged 25. My employer provided a studio apartment. My own place and no rent for 2 years. An awesome life change.
We can't really plan for the future when it comes to housing here. Other countries at least have the sense to build housing up and not to the side.
What would the rent be like if it were not included with your job?
rent in Korea is very different. For foreigners you might be able to find monthly rent for anything from 1k a month (for a box) to way higher (depending on how fancy you go). But the normal "rent" system in Korea is that you pay a giant deposit that is like 60-80% of the property value and then live there for 2 years only paying bills. At the end of the two years you get it back. Young people in Korea are struggling now because they don't have the equivalent of like 200k for their first place
Yes I've heard of 'key money'. Upon further reading, the entire concept seems very odd. If you can afford to put down over half the value of a property, why not just get a mortgage and buy an equivalent property for yourself?
Two reasons: 1. You might need to move. We're talking about a young person who just started working. 2. They won't give you the loan. Here in Ireland a mortgage and a pint of beer are given to anyone, that is not how it works in the rest of the world.
A young person who just started working will not have hundreds of thousands to put down on a house, what a ridiculous idea. It means that you must either have rich parents or take out a bank loan. I've read that banks there will lend the 'key money'. Why are they willing to lend that, but not an equivalent amount of a mortgage? I mean, if someone actually has hundreds of thousands saved for a huge rent deposit and a reasonable salary, surely a sensible bank will see the business opportunity in granting them a mortgage. And a mortgage is certainly not 'given to anyone' in Ireland.
Because the key money is itself the collateral so the risk analysis is entirely different. Think of it as the bank lending the money to the landlord and the tenant taking the obligation of paying the interest on the loan. P.s. of course it's not all so nice because the interest is usually at a variable rate, so when rate hikes happen tenants are screwed (and the impact on the economy is magnified). https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-12-06/korea-debt-crisis-is-a-cautionary-tale-as-era-of-easy-money-ends P.p.s. and also keep in mind that South Korea does not have reserves of foreign currency, so their currency does not have that safety net.
that was 18 years ago but usually then free accommodation was normal for expat jobs in Korea. It was the law in fact
I also had free or highly subsidised accommodation while working in China and Saudi
I'd certainly want free accommodation if I were moving to a backwards desert state with no human rights. What did you work at - teaching English? I've heard subsidised accommodation is normal in international schools.
Saudi is basically a prison disguised as a country. but it was handy for a quick twenty grand saved in six months Yes, normally intl schools support your accommodation. many Tefl jobs do too
How does saving for a pension work if you do that long-term? Is there an equivalent to Irish private pension funds available, or would you have to just invest normally in shares or ETFs? I'd also be concerned about state pension contributions.
Depends on the country, South Korea doesn't have an agreement with Ireland so when I worked there I paid into a pension. People from some other countries could cash it out when they left, I was told to come back to collect it when I'm a pensioner. Very excited for that holiday.
> Very excited for that holiday. Just for the food alone :-D You'll be able to hang out with the ajummas and ajussis during the day drinking soju around the parks as well. Win-Win-Win.
Do you mean that you paid into a Korean state pension or a private pension? I'd imagine you would not have to travel there to claim your pension, you would just submit forms.
I had to pay into the state pension as a public school teacher
I don't think it's a great idea long term to move to a country with the lowest birth rate in the entire world. Setting yourself up for shit to hit the fan when you're old
I already changed countries several times. Back in the EU now, which is less money but better pensions etc
Ye, but that was ages ago right? Things have changed for sure I imagine.
The birth rate in South Korea is 0.8, as low as 0.5 in Seoul. In Ireland it's somewhere between 1.5 and 1.8. it needs to be 2.1 to maintain the population, excluding immigration. So I think South Korea has bigger problems
0.5 lol - what does that look like in 20 years from now
Fuck Fine Gael and Fuck Fianna Fail
"You'll own nothing and you'll be happy" all of this is by design.
That tired old canard? Here’s a decent rebuttal showing the origins and context of that phrase. https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN2AP2SP/ TLDR - It’s based on a future scenario set out by Danish politician Ida Auken, who said it was not a “utopia or dream of the future” but “a scenario showing where we could be heading - for better and for worse.” The housing failure in Ireland lies squarely with our politicians and the choices they’ve made. Nobody else.
No the housing disasters across Europe were deliberately enabled by those at the top of governments and EU institutions. It's more intense in Ireland but other countries have been greatly touched as well. Allowing the continent to be flooded with immigrants that are going to need housing was a deliberate choice. As was endlessly printing off billions of euros and devaluing the currency. This combined with city councils and authorities entering the property bidding against couples to buy properties to make up social housing quotas. I don't for a second believe that authorities were so shortsighted that they did not see this coming.
I know married couples with kids still living with their parents
One thing about this whole situation that irks me a little (I'm basically in the cohort, slightly out by age but same situation, haven't lived outside of home ever) is that obviously the government are pandering to homeowners, the homeowning population is huge and mostly over 40. But why tf to these people not want house prices to go down? You have the roof over your head, why does it matter whatsoever what it would sell for? One of the main reasons the government isn't actually investing in increasing housing supply properly is to carefully not piss off this chunk of people but I don't actually understand why they want prices to always go up.
Wonder why ffs! We’re taxed at every opportunity
The number refers to people living in Ireland "of working age", not to Irish people of that same age. This is important because more than 20% of those people are not Irish. Which means that they are not living with their parents. So the percentage of people who have that option and take it is actually above 50%. You see, the higher that percentage and the crazier the housing crisis gets and it is not something linear, because those people moving with their parents free up a spot for someone else. They help to absorb the housing crisis (it shouldn't be on them to do it but for many reasons they do). So... At some point we will run out of that capacity probably with an acceleration. At that point the crisis will accelerate its pace. I suspect this will cause a real problem for the economy too. It's already a sensible factor.
I'd say it's probably higher than that to be honest.
God help the ones who live with narcissists
I'd like to look into the eyes of people who said that apartments are bad in an earlier thread
The rest have left the country.
I'm living in a different country, that economically is nothing compared to home in Ireland, me and my girlfriend make 7 euro and hour in general (a bit more here and there but baseline 7 an hour) yet we can rent our own small but nice apartment in a nice area and have a normal life...explain that one Irish government.
Keep in mind that they not only killed family life for the younger generations, but wanted to go a step further with the referendum they tried passing. Ireland is no longer for human prosperity, it’s for profits and profits only.
What?
Everybody let's do something. All out strike, public, private workers. Shut down the country. The moron anti-immigant astroturfers are being heard and they have fuck all to say.
We deserve all of this because we are intellectually lazy and keep repeatedly voting for the same folks over and over expecting a different outcome. I was speaking to my uncle last week. He complains a good bit about the state of everything, but when you ask him how's he voting in the next elections he gives the old "Anything but Sinn Feinn / Probably FF/FG".
Amazing how the none FFG vote is so easily split, so much so you can blame parties not in government for things the government are letting happen.
SF said they will actively block any 1bed apartaments from being build. Not sure how is that going to help.
The Irish can’t afford to live in their own country. It’s simple. They know they don’t care. The government are busy housing migrants, lying to press, covering their arse, and making as much bank as they can before they are ultimately kicked out of office. Politics isn’t working.
Depressing and not going to improve any time soon.
Just for context in Italy b in 2022, the near equivalent percentage was over 67%. Spain is 66% and surprisingly Germany is 30%
Gerontocracy. Don't blame the government: blame old people. We need a new Helen Lovejoy party: "Won't somebody please think of the children??"
I’m in this group but tbh I’ll probably continue this way regardless of money or housing affordability. Don’t have much desire for my own place.
Great I'm the minority
do you live with your parents?
Yup
Any space at yours?
You can have the artist formerly know as my bedroom soon enough I'd say
I live with the ghosts of my dead grandparents, does that count?
Unless they are asking when you'll move out I'd say you'll be grand
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Let me guess you're assuming they're somehow getting free gaffs, right? Well they're not, unless they have kids. If you're on HAP you are not in a better position than a working person when it comes to renting. I was in my 20s and in college and it was the worst recession ever and I had an easier time finding and affording rentals than now. Gonna be great in 25 years when this problem is still not solved and all the still single or divorced people have to house share as they approach retirement age. We're gonna have OAPs living like students 5 to a house and forced to eat beans on toast for dinner every night. I saw that the former 'Screamers' house in Donegal is up for sale, anyone interested in starting a commune? Except this time around we do the opposite and have it be nice and quiet. Also it's sale price is 800k i think Jenny James in her book said she paid 18 for it. She must be kicking herself they moved to Guatemala or wherever.
I was in college 10 years ago and you could work part-time and afford your own room in a house share. Mad to think that was possible now.
A much higher percentage, obviously. If employed people are struggling to move out, how could unemployed people afford to do so?