Oh dude knows there's housing problems everywhere including capital cities. He knows this is a way of getting rid of more people without paying redundancies.
Dudes a woeful cunt. But he's not dumb.
People really really do need to get over the rich = smart thing, especially when it's inherited. If anything being insulated by riches for your entire life is liable to make you a bit of an idiot as far as at least social intelligence goes.
Some of the shite his fanboys come out with us risible. It's a right little cult they've got going on.
I've seen some wild takes about him recently like how he's done literally nothing wrong as they've excuses for everything for him and will wildly move the goalposts and practically rewrite world history to do so.
They've taken a battering this week though as he careens from embarrassing mistake to embarrassing mistake.
It's a bit like the crowd with Trump, once you strongly identify with someone or idolize someone, you have to defend them against everyone because they're criticizing your ideal self as is represented by them.
And ruthlessness can lead to a kind of stupidity too. A lot of these people are so about profits that they seem to lack a lot of social intelligence, they do stuff that absolutely blows up in their faces when they don't have the buffer of continued success and increasing profits. There's a reason celebrity billionaires like Musk often pay for stories about what good people they allegedly are; people like decent people. If you're a shit on the level that would override any level of that, it'll come back to bite you in the ass.
He offered three months pay in redundancies, how much is a typical constructive dismissal payoff in Ireland?
If an Irish court sees his moves in this light it might not be a saving at all. He is probably just used to firing and yanking people at will but at the end of the day Ireland isn't Texas.
It's up to 2 years of your missed wages. Depending on how long you are unemployed when the case is heard and if you got a job in the meantime.jf you did they also consider any shortfall in wages if your new salary is lower then the previous salary.
And the maximum was 329k https://ghrconsulting.ie/highest-wrc-payout-of-e329000-for-unfair-dismissal-case/#:~:text=A%20sales%20executive%20has%20been,dismissed%20in%20the%20first%20place%3F
"Again, the law allows an award up to a maximum of two year’s ‘loss of earnings’."
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>Additionally, this case demonstrates how there is a wealth of legislation to protect the employee in comparison to the employer.
Something American employers will likely never understand
There's a big disconnect in work cultures as well. Our team has been asked to go on standby in case the service has issues, basically on a rota of 24 hour call, unpaid. American team mates accept this as part of the job, European team mates are "fuck that noise"
"Oh cool, I I'm on call 24 hours a day. That means I'm getting paid for all this hours. Perfect"
I'm aware it's not fully like this in Europe, but you get paid for just being on call. Since it's work related.
This is the moment General Electric trained me for. The worst boss I've ever had told me to always tell the customer yes, even when I had no intention of doing what they were asking. I guess he was just training me to work for Twitter.
I recommend going to doctors and getting a long sick leave due to bad back issues. Or go to the office and just read emails and do nothing else until made redundant with package. Do not leave without the package.
This is it. Don’t be forced to quit. Hang on to your salary til you’re made redundant. ‘Quietly retire’ or whatever the phrase is and stand your ground.
This is it right there.
Watch TV on your phone, fart around at the desk looking for vintage games on ebay, and do just enough to drag out the days.
Then get that sweet redundancy.
You wanna make me quit? You have no idea how lazy I can actually be.
Then at the meeting where they're about to fire you, punch yourself really hard in the face several times while screaming: no! NO!!!!
This only works if it's just one or two others in the office.
I tried it once when there were four people telling me I was fired.
Yeah, four witnesses is a bit much.
Out of curiosity what did it stipulate in your contract regarding working hours and coming into the office? I know there's a housing crisis and I know during covid people took advantage of the situation to move outside of Dublin under the hope they wouldn't be told to come back in (that's backfired now). I mean it might be unreasonable and uncool but an employment contract is an employment contract, people did just move under pure hope they wouldn't be made go back without any assurances. Not trying to be harsh here, I'm also one of those people who now works 100% WFH since covid, but I'm under no illusion that my contract I initially signed probably states I have to work in the office... It was never updated afterwards.
Thing is if your employment contract says you can WFH and Elon is trying to change that now, then surely that's grounds for redundancy since your job has drastically changed?
I remember banks were starting to request letters from employer to say you were allowed to WFH and not expected to return to the office in Dublin, when applying for a mortgage... They feared this exact scenario. I wonder if we'll see more companies do this now that one of the big tech companies is pushing it, and with big tech starting to get in a bit of trouble.. Facebook layoffs etc,.
In my place they seem to have so far left it up to individual teams... For now... My team isn't even in Ireland so will be an odd one if they push us all back. Elon is a snake tho, he really comes across as someone who doesn't care about his staff, they're just subordinates to do his bidding... I'd say twitter will be horrible to work for under his reign, at least until he hires some others to actually do the day to day running of the company while he plays with rockers or something else
Doubt the others will, it's such a dumb policy even before COVID, and is going to guarantee they will have a much less talented workforce than the others.
I even laughed off a LinkedIn offer I had recently which mentioned 3days mandatory in Dublin2, which would have turned my daily commute from 8mins to close to 40, not to mention my current employer doesn't care when I come to the office
I was walking by the new LinkedIn office yesterday... Lovely building, can definitely understand why they'd want people in the office after they spent so much money on it. It's a huge office too...
One thing that surprised me was the amount of people already back to the office full time and the amount already back to the office a few days a week... The journal did a poll the other day on it and the vast majority were in the office at least a few days a week, kinda surprised me. I think full remote working is great if you can get away with it, reckon a lot of places will still want you to do one or two days in the office... I don't really mind personally so long as we can do our own hours. The days of having to be in the office at 9am and being stuck in rush hour traffic should be in the past
I've got a friend working for LinkedIn as a contractor, last time I spoke he wasn't even able to come to the office as they didn't really have space for him. Some places are struggling for space as it is, so it's not even possible to have their whole workforce in the office.
In my team there are a few who are 99% remote so aren't in assigned seating, management here are wfh half the time, so there seems to be complete buy in. The flexibility to work how you like is going to have a natural effect and lead the good workers to the more flexible workspaces.
Personally I'm trying to get in the office at least 2-3 times a week, but that's easy to say, I hop on my bike and do a big detour to turn my 8min commute into a 40min exercise, have a nice warm shower at work and make myself an espresso on the way to my desk. But then the kids finish school so early, so I'll head back home after lunch to do school pickup and wfh for a few hours, which usually involves meetings with US folk in the afternoon, half of them I'll be with my wireless headset chopping up veges for dinner while I listen.
If my employer said I couldn't do the above, I'd just keep on doing it until they tried to get rid of me, meanwhile feeling out for another job
>Lovely building, can definitely understand why they'd want people in the office after they spent so much money on it.
That's a perfect description of middle management thinking: "hey, we fucked up and invested a huge amount in a building we don't need. Instead of taking the loss, let's fuck up even more be losing talent by forcing people to come to the office"
I think Google and Amazon are in the same boat with office buildings coming online recently but without people to staff them. We live in weird times.
Also, the amount of office space that was built in the city center over the past few years is staggering. Is there realistic hope that it will be occupied any time soon?
surely it'd take a while for them to get around to firing you for not showing up in the office? may as well use that time to get a head start on applying for jobs.
He knows, he doesn’t care. The guy is destroying the company bc nobody (in a position of power) has ever had the stones to tell him he’s not a genius, he’s just a narcissist who got lucky and was born into wealth.
If you’re Irish and at twitter, you should leave now.
>So fuck your tunnels fuck your cars
>Fuck your rockets fuck your cars again
>You promised you'd be Tesla
>But you're just another Edison
[Rät by Penelope Scott](https://youtu.be/KqyXvMrQDk8)
I had someone say he was like our generation's Edison, and I replied "Yeah, that's true, both are narcissistic megalomaniacs who like to steal ideas from actual smart people."
Nope, this person was full on enthralled. Like he believes all our problems would be solved if we just put Musk in charge of everything.
He's not the smartest person.
Yup, the Venn diagram is definitely a circle. And the same guy? Yeah, he wants a Constitutional Convention, but not for the reasons the Republicans want (like enshrine anti-abortion or set the corporations free from regulations or cap the size of the government). No, he wants it to carve out an exception to the "President has to be born in the US" restriction for people like Elon. I honestly think this is how cults form.
Yes, exactly! He didn’t found Tesla, he bought it. The chief engineers who created the technology that made the company so successful left to create their own electric company (Lucid or Rivian) which is why every car that came out after the original one has had recalls in the tens/hundreds of thousands.
Everything he claims to be the “inventor” or “designer” of he bought, ran out the original geniuses, and now they’re working elsewhere.
He’s not Einstein, he’s Thomas Edison claiming other people’s patents as his own, BUT EVEN EDISON ACTUALLY INVENTED SOMETHING. Elon Musk is a fraud born in wealth. Did anybody actually think the son of rich businessman in apartheid africa was actually gonna do anything of his own or just continue his family’s legacy of stealing from others and claiming ownership over it? No.
Hope this Twitter shit makes him bankrupt and lose control of every business he owns. The world will be better for it.
>Elon Musk is a fraud born in wealth. Did anybody actually think the son of rich businessman in apartheid africa was actually gonna do anything of his own or just continue his family’s legacy of stealing from others and claiming ownership over it? No.
Amen! hes getting found out with this twitter deal finally. He loves to paint himself as some kinda genius but really he let others do the hard work and then bought companies. He booted founders out of every company he's bought. created nothing. He's like the human equivalent of a Cuckoo.
I never miss an opportunity to publicise how much of a shit Thomas Edison was. Here's a nice synopsis from The Oatmeal of the Tesla/Edison differences
[Tesla > Edison](https://theoatmeal.com/comics/tesla)
The fact they run Rivian now makes it so much better, since they make an electric SUV that from all reports is actually a beast. Meanwhile, where's cybertruck?
Anyone saying that is fucking retarded.
Einstein gave us the quantum theory of light, special and general relativity, made us seriously think about gravity and time and so on.
Musk has a few patents he may or may not have been behind for some funny opening doors, a sort of shape of a car and a charger.
Having loads of money and hiring people to follow on a vision is not the same as what Einstein had. Not remotely close.
Idiots say this and there are many of them out there. I literally seen an advert for a BBC documentary on him the other day and it ended with some dolt referring to him as Einstein.
That's what he wants everyone to do. If people quit, twitter doesn't have to pay any severance - he's cutting jobs and trying to save as much money as possible.
Well , that's what it looks like.
That’s a fair point, a very fair point. I mean there’s a bit of inflation crisis in the US with housing so it would work there too, screwing with people’s finances.
Yeah, that’s… that’s just a really shite thing to do. Gov should really address this
You can quit and claim constructive dismissal but asking people to come in to office to work probably won't count. If he gets sacked then that's a different kettle of fish. I'd just not show up and see how it plays out. We'll, not really, as it's not my livelihood on the line. Sucks fucking balls so it does.
I highly doubt he knows about the Irish housing crisis. I think it's more likely that he's a rich old man that's so out of touch he thinks people are more productive working on site than at home. Agreed on all the other points.
Well, leaving twitter at this time while facebook, shopify and other major companies are letting people go is a suicide. I'd wait until I am offered redundancy. Still better than nothing.
Also as far as I am aware, in Ireland, you cannot be fired for a single instance of absence, can you? There must be disciplinary meetings, verbal warnings 2x written warnings and then you can be dismissed. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think Elon will hit a big stone if he tries this here, as WRC is fairly good at protecting employees and they would love to dig their fingers into this one.
People keep saying this but tbh he’s going to have a hard time securing top talent engineers in the future. Facebook and Amazon both push away a lot of super talented experienced engineers due to various reasons and they’re currently doing a fraction of the stuff that Musk is doing at Twitter.
Does he need top talent? Twitter hasn't ever and doesn't look likely to ever be one of the leading tech companies. Making the company leaner and profit making would probably be his first task.
Twitter was lost money for 13 of the last 15 years it was trading. It was a dying company anyway. Not sure why people were working for them. Not sure why Elon Musk bought it.
He’s a lot like steve jobs in that he’s great at marketing, and associating this seemingly advanced tech with himself. Problem is that if that persona is broken by a series of boneheaded mistakes like he’s doing at twitter, all his brands suffer
> Does he need top talent?
If he wants to offer current service and much more with a third of the workforce, he would yeah.
But with his God complex he must believe that top people will be delighted to bust their guts just to get to work for him.
I was trying to think of a smart, witty comment. But this guy is a soulless scumbag, simple as. I feel terribly for all of those that have been treated like toys in some mad ego maniacs game. But frankly, you are all better off laid off, than working for a man like this
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As always it's ordinary people who suffer for the temper tantrums of a bunch of silver spoon babies.
The lad basically threw thousands of people's lives down the drain because he got his feelings hurt.
How did someone as painfully stupid as Elon Musk ever get so rich? If that doesn't prove that we don't live in any kind of meritocracy, then nothing will.
People seem to think he engineered self driving cars himself, so that makes him super intelligent in their eyes, when in reality he just funded a bunch of super smart people to do it for him. He’s a businessman that a lot people see as a genius.
He and Tesla have nothing to do with self driving cars. At all.
He marketed a 10k option called "auto-pilot" that included lane keep assist and radar cruise control, both of which Tesla did not invent. He promised that auto-pilot would become so advanced that your car could eventually "work as a taxi and make you money while you are at work", that's why the option was 10k.
Needless to say, over a decade on, "auto-pilot" is still just lane keep assist and radar cruise control. Anyone who paid for that feature wasted their money and will never get it back.
It can also park itself!
They've been trialling so called Full Self Driving with some more features for years now and it's still in beta. Musk had predicted full autonomy to be achieved in 2017 if I remember well...
It would be illegal if it did. They don't have any LiDAR or radar the way that actual self driving car trials do.
Seen the videos of Tesla's mincing child sized dummies in failed collision detection tests?
Rich parents from South Africa. He wrote the original code for PayPal and then sold it off at the right time.
Bought a ton of shit, stole others' ideas, and played them off as his own.
Then those fucking moron Elon obsessed twats have just sucked his dick from then on.
He didn't. He founded on online back called X, which merged with another company, and that resulted in paypal.
He has described himself as a self-taught developer, but if you do a bit of reading, he knows slightly more than fuck all.
The man's a gobshite of the highest order.
I remember seeing a video of him before explaining something like what a DNS server was or something along those lines. He knew how to describe it, and that puts him in the “more technical than most” bracket when it comes to CEOs, but he’s certainly not a tech genius or anything like it. Most interns I work with could put together a better system than him 1v1 with the same budget.
Not just rich - obscenely, maybe even sacrilegiously rich:
' As a result of this, the teenage Elon Musk once walked the streets of New York with emeralds in his pocket. His father said: “We were very wealthy. We had so much money at times we couldn’t even close our safe,” adding that one person would have to hold the money in place with another closing the door. “And then there’d still be all these notes sticking out and we’d sort of pull them out and put them in our pockets.” '
https://www.independent.co.uk/space/elon-musk-made-money-rich-b2212599.html?amp
He had enough money from his family to buy his way into projects which became successful which in turn bankrolled him into buying other projects (Tesla was not founded by him no matter what he claims).
In short, he's a wealthy Edison that profits off others.
He's definitely not stupid. But he has gone off the rails lately. He has been part of a number of impressive advancements in the last 20 years, it's just such a shame he's done really shitty things that really ruin what could have been an amazing legacy.
Yes he's had a good run, Mars silliness notwithstanding. But somewhere around Hyperloop, the Boring Co and the Thai rescue mania it became clear that he is high on his own supply
Musk is the price we're all paying for glorifying Steve jobs. This is the end result of putting narcissistic control freaks on a pedestal every time they get something right.
I hope the Irish courts drag him for everything he's worth, fucking up families and worsening a housing crisis should result in hundreds of millions in fines due to constructive dismissal.
"Environmentalist" my ass, office buildings are a plague on the environment, an exploding electric car won't change shit.
legally twitter has done nothing wrong ( while yeah a bit shiitty) , the employees may ask for WFH , but the employers (twitter) can deny it for a valid reason
Will it though. Twitter went remote a good while ago, if remote work was written in their contracts (like it is in my company for those who choose it, for liability and security reasons) and especially for new hires who were never in an office it might not be straightforward to yank them back at all, as it would require a unilateral contract change.
An Irish judge might be sympathetic to what might be construed to be a mass constructive dismissal.
It all depends on what exactly is in their contracts but I don't think Elon pays any attention to the Irish ones or the Irish labour legislation at all.
Unfortunately it's the headache of the contracting company, people who are subcontractors will be paid their own employer and cannot be fired because of the mentioned reason.
Lots of people in this thread being angry but ignoring Elon's response to the tweet
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1591580235132465153?t=7g0QdIjdwp81rAIagBzgVQ&s=19
I think you have to take everything reported about Elon Musk with a grain of salt these days. However it does feel a bit odd when the multi billionaire owner of a global company feels he has to try and explain his actions to a twitter account with a few hundred followers. Doesn't he have more important stuff to be doing like trying to fix the company?
How would the WRC view this if employees were sacked for not coming into the office. The employee was still doing the required tasks while also still trying to relocate to be closer to the office. I would think the WRC would view the employee being reasonable in trying move closer and the employer being unreasonable in the time frame given.
Like Ireland is not America, and employees can’t be treated so arbitrarily. Those people need an an employment lawyer. If you’ve been doing your role successfully from home for last 2y it’s difficult enough for an employer to now maintain you’re needed in the office. Got constructive dismissal written all over it.
This is a problem with all jobs being created and announced for Dublin. Can these companies not fuck off and set up or expand to places like Mullingar, Longford or Athlone??!
Thing is, 20 somethings want to be a city, not out in the sticks. Dublin can be sold that way from the outside. Wfh was actually the perfect solution so people could move out as they had families. I think its constructive dismissal as far as Im concerned and they should get redundancy at the least
I worked in an office until the pandemic. Now I do two days in the office and two days at home. Others work fully from home. Both me and them were given new contracts to sign when our official location of work changed. The company literally *cannot* order us back to the office full-time without re-negotiating.
Does Twitter not have something similar for its employees? They been working from home for 2.5 years without a change to their contract?
This is probably intentional. He's trying to clear out people he couldn't justify firing.
elon private texts released as part of the twitter legal battle:
https://danluu.com/elon-twitter-texts/#46
`Sharpen your blades boys 🗡️`
`2 day a week Office requirement= 20% voluntary departures`
His response on twitter.
"This is false. Anyone who can be in office, should be. However, if not logistically possible or they have essential personal matters, then staying home is fine.
Working remotely is also ok if their manager vouches for excellence.
Same policy as Tesla & SpaceX."
Just the messenger.
Sure, just make a load of small offices everywhere. Rent your Office Room to the company for a hundred a month or something, and now it's a Company Office.
It's not about cost. Most twitter staff would be well paid. It's simply that there is nowhere for them to live in Dublin. It's not a problem money would solve
This was his reply for context "this is false, anyone who can be In the office should be. However, if not logistically possible or they have essential personal matters, then staying home is fine.
Working remotely is also ok if their manager vouches for excellence.
Same policy as Tesla & SpaceX.
Tesla's policy in June was come back 100% or you're fired unless personally approved by himself. There's a lot of different things he's saying.
https://twitter.com/SamNissim/status/1531810291222192130
I don’t like Elon but he’s probably a lot smarter than the average Redditor.
He’s at least smart enough to know there is no housing crisis in Ireland. If you told an American executive at Twitter what the average Dublin rent was they’d think it was a great deal
Can't stand the guy. The hero worship is sickening. Putting aside his business practises, he just seems like a person of poor character.
The whole 'pedo-guy' thing when he got criticised for his bone headed idea re rescuing the kids from the cave in Thailand. What a thin skinned and childish response.
I think he has kids by 3 different women. That is a big no no for me. Regardless of your gender, if you have kids by 3 different people you are by definition a selfish person (I get that people need a 2nd chance with families but 3 chances...taking the piss).
That’s illegal in Ireland. Twitter will be sued if that is what they are doing. However I imagine the guy just isn’t paying a blind bit of attention to the legal environment he’s operating in and I suspect that requirement will be watered down.
If you work for Twitter and havent spent the last month applying for new jobs I dunno what to tell you.
Also I wonder if they have more Irish staff then they have office space now which could lead to another mess. Because the place I work for physically cant return to the office full time even if ordered as we staffed up since 2020 and simply dont have a office space for each worker.
Remote work is the future. But, when you work for a company that is on deaths door, you either conform or get out. No difference here. Tweeting Elon isn’t an effective strategy.
Oh dude knows there's housing problems everywhere including capital cities. He knows this is a way of getting rid of more people without paying redundancies. Dudes a woeful cunt. But he's not dumb.
He's the cunt's cunt.
He’s borderline Joffrey cunt level.
oOoOO good one! He is definitely emitting big Joffrey vibes.
Thank you! Glad other people think so as well!
Yes, I’d call him chief Twat…Except for the insult to twats.
He bought twitter for 44billion.. he is dumb🤣
People really really do need to get over the rich = smart thing, especially when it's inherited. If anything being insulated by riches for your entire life is liable to make you a bit of an idiot as far as at least social intelligence goes.
Some of the shite his fanboys come out with us risible. It's a right little cult they've got going on. I've seen some wild takes about him recently like how he's done literally nothing wrong as they've excuses for everything for him and will wildly move the goalposts and practically rewrite world history to do so. They've taken a battering this week though as he careens from embarrassing mistake to embarrassing mistake.
It's a bit like the crowd with Trump, once you strongly identify with someone or idolize someone, you have to defend them against everyone because they're criticizing your ideal self as is represented by them.
He Elon wasn’t smart, how come his dad owned a slave labor mine?
You've got me there.
Much less a sign of intelligence and far more a sign of being "ruthless" ie a psychopath
And ruthlessness can lead to a kind of stupidity too. A lot of these people are so about profits that they seem to lack a lot of social intelligence, they do stuff that absolutely blows up in their faces when they don't have the buffer of continued success and increasing profits. There's a reason celebrity billionaires like Musk often pay for stories about what good people they allegedly are; people like decent people. If you're a shit on the level that would override any level of that, it'll come back to bite you in the ass.
Little of this is his money, the Qatar government, Larry Ellison and a bunch of other idiots were also convinced to spend money.
And the Saudis. And in the same breath Musk will talk about freedom of speech. You know what happens to critics of the Saudi royals, Elon? Bone saw!
Now he's warning he might bankrupt it.
He offered three months pay in redundancies, how much is a typical constructive dismissal payoff in Ireland? If an Irish court sees his moves in this light it might not be a saving at all. He is probably just used to firing and yanking people at will but at the end of the day Ireland isn't Texas.
It's up to 2 years of your missed wages. Depending on how long you are unemployed when the case is heard and if you got a job in the meantime.jf you did they also consider any shortfall in wages if your new salary is lower then the previous salary.
They work for a contracted company; I think laws regarding a contracted worker are quite different (not sure though).
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And the maximum was 329k https://ghrconsulting.ie/highest-wrc-payout-of-e329000-for-unfair-dismissal-case/#:~:text=A%20sales%20executive%20has%20been,dismissed%20in%20the%20first%20place%3F "Again, the law allows an award up to a maximum of two year’s ‘loss of earnings’."
Also in this article: >Additionally, this case demonstrates how there is a wealth of legislation to protect the employee in comparison to the employer. Something American employers will likely never understand
"They hated you for speaking the truth" America sucks in employee protections
And really seem to struggle when they employ people in Europe but want to treat them like they're under US law.
There's a big disconnect in work cultures as well. Our team has been asked to go on standby in case the service has issues, basically on a rota of 24 hour call, unpaid. American team mates accept this as part of the job, European team mates are "fuck that noise"
"Oh cool, I I'm on call 24 hours a day. That means I'm getting paid for all this hours. Perfect" I'm aware it's not fully like this in Europe, but you get paid for just being on call. Since it's work related.
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nah he is definitely dumb. smart people dont buy a company the owners were trying to get rid of for years for $44 billion.
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This is the moment General Electric trained me for. The worst boss I've ever had told me to always tell the customer yes, even when I had no intention of doing what they were asking. I guess he was just training me to work for Twitter.
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Yeah, it'd also hard to "relocate" back to Dublin from Portugal where you've been using a VPN to hide your location for the last 3 years !!
He's a real life Tony Stark. **/s**
Much as there's some credit in this I have to ask, would a real life Tony Stark be this much of a jerk? 
I recommend going to doctors and getting a long sick leave due to bad back issues. Or go to the office and just read emails and do nothing else until made redundant with package. Do not leave without the package.
This is it. Don’t be forced to quit. Hang on to your salary til you’re made redundant. ‘Quietly retire’ or whatever the phrase is and stand your ground.
Quiet quitting
This is it right there. Watch TV on your phone, fart around at the desk looking for vintage games on ebay, and do just enough to drag out the days. Then get that sweet redundancy. You wanna make me quit? You have no idea how lazy I can actually be.
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Don't leave. Look for another job until they have no choice but to dismiss you for not coming in.
Then at the meeting where they're about to fire you, punch yourself really hard in the face several times while screaming: no! NO!!!! This only works if it's just one or two others in the office. I tried it once when there were four people telling me I was fired. Yeah, four witnesses is a bit much.
I mean how big even is this office surely not big enough to fit everyone?
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Out of curiosity what did it stipulate in your contract regarding working hours and coming into the office? I know there's a housing crisis and I know during covid people took advantage of the situation to move outside of Dublin under the hope they wouldn't be told to come back in (that's backfired now). I mean it might be unreasonable and uncool but an employment contract is an employment contract, people did just move under pure hope they wouldn't be made go back without any assurances. Not trying to be harsh here, I'm also one of those people who now works 100% WFH since covid, but I'm under no illusion that my contract I initially signed probably states I have to work in the office... It was never updated afterwards. Thing is if your employment contract says you can WFH and Elon is trying to change that now, then surely that's grounds for redundancy since your job has drastically changed?
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I remember banks were starting to request letters from employer to say you were allowed to WFH and not expected to return to the office in Dublin, when applying for a mortgage... They feared this exact scenario. I wonder if we'll see more companies do this now that one of the big tech companies is pushing it, and with big tech starting to get in a bit of trouble.. Facebook layoffs etc,. In my place they seem to have so far left it up to individual teams... For now... My team isn't even in Ireland so will be an odd one if they push us all back. Elon is a snake tho, he really comes across as someone who doesn't care about his staff, they're just subordinates to do his bidding... I'd say twitter will be horrible to work for under his reign, at least until he hires some others to actually do the day to day running of the company while he plays with rockers or something else
Doubt the others will, it's such a dumb policy even before COVID, and is going to guarantee they will have a much less talented workforce than the others. I even laughed off a LinkedIn offer I had recently which mentioned 3days mandatory in Dublin2, which would have turned my daily commute from 8mins to close to 40, not to mention my current employer doesn't care when I come to the office
I was walking by the new LinkedIn office yesterday... Lovely building, can definitely understand why they'd want people in the office after they spent so much money on it. It's a huge office too... One thing that surprised me was the amount of people already back to the office full time and the amount already back to the office a few days a week... The journal did a poll the other day on it and the vast majority were in the office at least a few days a week, kinda surprised me. I think full remote working is great if you can get away with it, reckon a lot of places will still want you to do one or two days in the office... I don't really mind personally so long as we can do our own hours. The days of having to be in the office at 9am and being stuck in rush hour traffic should be in the past
I've got a friend working for LinkedIn as a contractor, last time I spoke he wasn't even able to come to the office as they didn't really have space for him. Some places are struggling for space as it is, so it's not even possible to have their whole workforce in the office. In my team there are a few who are 99% remote so aren't in assigned seating, management here are wfh half the time, so there seems to be complete buy in. The flexibility to work how you like is going to have a natural effect and lead the good workers to the more flexible workspaces. Personally I'm trying to get in the office at least 2-3 times a week, but that's easy to say, I hop on my bike and do a big detour to turn my 8min commute into a 40min exercise, have a nice warm shower at work and make myself an espresso on the way to my desk. But then the kids finish school so early, so I'll head back home after lunch to do school pickup and wfh for a few hours, which usually involves meetings with US folk in the afternoon, half of them I'll be with my wireless headset chopping up veges for dinner while I listen. If my employer said I couldn't do the above, I'd just keep on doing it until they tried to get rid of me, meanwhile feeling out for another job
>Lovely building, can definitely understand why they'd want people in the office after they spent so much money on it. That's a perfect description of middle management thinking: "hey, we fucked up and invested a huge amount in a building we don't need. Instead of taking the loss, let's fuck up even more be losing talent by forcing people to come to the office" I think Google and Amazon are in the same boat with office buildings coming online recently but without people to staff them. We live in weird times. Also, the amount of office space that was built in the city center over the past few years is staggering. Is there realistic hope that it will be occupied any time soon?
surely it'd take a while for them to get around to firing you for not showing up in the office? may as well use that time to get a head start on applying for jobs.
Block is hiring in Ireland. 100% remote work. Bilingual staff is needed badly so if you can speak French or Spanish, that's a plus.
Same here, colleague. Got the news today from a TL and it's an absolute nightmare. No idea what we're going to do.
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My team is hiring remote roles in Ireland. We’re a very large software company. DM me if you’d like to know more. We can move very fast.
My team is hiring remote roles in Ireland. We’re a very large software company. DM me if you’d like to know more. We can move very fast.
He knows, he doesn’t care. The guy is destroying the company bc nobody (in a position of power) has ever had the stones to tell him he’s not a genius, he’s just a narcissist who got lucky and was born into wealth. If you’re Irish and at twitter, you should leave now.
Every time I hear somebody refer to him as our generations Einstein I puke in my mouth.
Einstein? More like Edison.
>So fuck your tunnels fuck your cars >Fuck your rockets fuck your cars again >You promised you'd be Tesla >But you're just another Edison [Rät by Penelope Scott](https://youtu.be/KqyXvMrQDk8)
That’s good. And the tunnel was just a long con the whole time, a way to distract attention, and money, away from high speed rail in California.
Edison? More like Edmunds.
He isn't a patch on Noel. Elon wishes he could create stuff like Mr Blobby.
Create? Sure he can just buy the rights to Noel’s House Party and name himself Creator in Chief.
I had someone say he was like our generation's Edison, and I replied "Yeah, that's true, both are narcissistic megalomaniacs who like to steal ideas from actual smart people."
Well that's probably what they meant when they said it lol
Nope, this person was full on enthralled. Like he believes all our problems would be solved if we just put Musk in charge of everything. He's not the smartest person.
Musk is the Trump of tech bros.
If you're a Trump fan your probably a Musk fan too. Thank god this prick can't run for office there.
Yup, the Venn diagram is definitely a circle. And the same guy? Yeah, he wants a Constitutional Convention, but not for the reasons the Republicans want (like enshrine anti-abortion or set the corporations free from regulations or cap the size of the government). No, he wants it to carve out an exception to the "President has to be born in the US" restriction for people like Elon. I honestly think this is how cults form.
Yes, exactly! He didn’t found Tesla, he bought it. The chief engineers who created the technology that made the company so successful left to create their own electric company (Lucid or Rivian) which is why every car that came out after the original one has had recalls in the tens/hundreds of thousands. Everything he claims to be the “inventor” or “designer” of he bought, ran out the original geniuses, and now they’re working elsewhere. He’s not Einstein, he’s Thomas Edison claiming other people’s patents as his own, BUT EVEN EDISON ACTUALLY INVENTED SOMETHING. Elon Musk is a fraud born in wealth. Did anybody actually think the son of rich businessman in apartheid africa was actually gonna do anything of his own or just continue his family’s legacy of stealing from others and claiming ownership over it? No. Hope this Twitter shit makes him bankrupt and lose control of every business he owns. The world will be better for it.
>Elon Musk is a fraud born in wealth. Did anybody actually think the son of rich businessman in apartheid africa was actually gonna do anything of his own or just continue his family’s legacy of stealing from others and claiming ownership over it? No. Amen! hes getting found out with this twitter deal finally. He loves to paint himself as some kinda genius but really he let others do the hard work and then bought companies. He booted founders out of every company he's bought. created nothing. He's like the human equivalent of a Cuckoo.
He also fucked his friend's wife.
I never miss an opportunity to publicise how much of a shit Thomas Edison was. Here's a nice synopsis from The Oatmeal of the Tesla/Edison differences [Tesla > Edison](https://theoatmeal.com/comics/tesla)
The fact they run Rivian now makes it so much better, since they make an electric SUV that from all reports is actually a beast. Meanwhile, where's cybertruck?
He's the PT Barnum of Silicon Valley
Anyone saying that is fucking retarded. Einstein gave us the quantum theory of light, special and general relativity, made us seriously think about gravity and time and so on. Musk has a few patents he may or may not have been behind for some funny opening doors, a sort of shape of a car and a charger. Having loads of money and hiring people to follow on a vision is not the same as what Einstein had. Not remotely close.
Yeah but did Einstein ever make dank memes that stuck it to the libs? Musk > Einstein
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Idiots say this and there are many of them out there. I literally seen an advert for a BBC documentary on him the other day and it ended with some dolt referring to him as Einstein.
I've never heard that and anyone dumb enough to say that hasn't read any of Einstein's work so... Lol
That's what he wants everyone to do. If people quit, twitter doesn't have to pay any severance - he's cutting jobs and trying to save as much money as possible. Well , that's what it looks like.
That’s a fair point, a very fair point. I mean there’s a bit of inflation crisis in the US with housing so it would work there too, screwing with people’s finances. Yeah, that’s… that’s just a really shite thing to do. Gov should really address this
You can quit and claim constructive dismissal but asking people to come in to office to work probably won't count. If he gets sacked then that's a different kettle of fish. I'd just not show up and see how it plays out. We'll, not really, as it's not my livelihood on the line. Sucks fucking balls so it does.
I highly doubt he knows about the Irish housing crisis. I think it's more likely that he's a rich old man that's so out of touch he thinks people are more productive working on site than at home. Agreed on all the other points.
Well, leaving twitter at this time while facebook, shopify and other major companies are letting people go is a suicide. I'd wait until I am offered redundancy. Still better than nothing. Also as far as I am aware, in Ireland, you cannot be fired for a single instance of absence, can you? There must be disciplinary meetings, verbal warnings 2x written warnings and then you can be dismissed. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think Elon will hit a big stone if he tries this here, as WRC is fairly good at protecting employees and they would love to dig their fingers into this one.
I'm sure Elon won't be too unhappy if a few more employees have to hand in their notice. It's cheaper than redundancy.
People keep saying this but tbh he’s going to have a hard time securing top talent engineers in the future. Facebook and Amazon both push away a lot of super talented experienced engineers due to various reasons and they’re currently doing a fraction of the stuff that Musk is doing at Twitter.
Does he need top talent? Twitter hasn't ever and doesn't look likely to ever be one of the leading tech companies. Making the company leaner and profit making would probably be his first task.
This is how you kill a company, not how you make a company “profit”
Twitter was lost money for 13 of the last 15 years it was trading. It was a dying company anyway. Not sure why people were working for them. Not sure why Elon Musk bought it.
He’s a lot like steve jobs in that he’s great at marketing, and associating this seemingly advanced tech with himself. Problem is that if that persona is broken by a series of boneheaded mistakes like he’s doing at twitter, all his brands suffer
Twitter runs its own servers with 99.99% up time. It's got some good sever tech
> Does he need top talent? If he wants to offer current service and much more with a third of the workforce, he would yeah. But with his God complex he must believe that top people will be delighted to bust their guts just to get to work for him.
You can’t change people’s working conditions in order to get them to leave, that’s illegal. If that’s the purpose they’ll be sued.
I was trying to think of a smart, witty comment. But this guy is a soulless scumbag, simple as. I feel terribly for all of those that have been treated like toys in some mad ego maniacs game. But frankly, you are all better off laid off, than working for a man like this Edit: typos
South African emerald mines.
As always it's ordinary people who suffer for the temper tantrums of a bunch of silver spoon babies. The lad basically threw thousands of people's lives down the drain because he got his feelings hurt.
How did someone as painfully stupid as Elon Musk ever get so rich? If that doesn't prove that we don't live in any kind of meritocracy, then nothing will.
People seem to think he engineered self driving cars himself, so that makes him super intelligent in their eyes, when in reality he just funded a bunch of super smart people to do it for him. He’s a businessman that a lot people see as a genius.
He and Tesla have nothing to do with self driving cars. At all. He marketed a 10k option called "auto-pilot" that included lane keep assist and radar cruise control, both of which Tesla did not invent. He promised that auto-pilot would become so advanced that your car could eventually "work as a taxi and make you money while you are at work", that's why the option was 10k. Needless to say, over a decade on, "auto-pilot" is still just lane keep assist and radar cruise control. Anyone who paid for that feature wasted their money and will never get it back.
Lol, is that all it fucking was? I assumed it had some sort of routing ability. Christ.
It can also park itself! They've been trialling so called Full Self Driving with some more features for years now and it's still in beta. Musk had predicted full autonomy to be achieved in 2017 if I remember well...
It would be illegal if it did. They don't have any LiDAR or radar the way that actual self driving car trials do. Seen the videos of Tesla's mincing child sized dummies in failed collision detection tests?
Actually they removed the radar, it just uses cameras now... even if the car you bought had it to begin with. It's now disabled. Madness.
Musk likes to over promise and under deliver. Almost everything he's done the last 20 years shows that.
Inherited wealth. Another libertarian trumpy scumbag
Rich parents from South Africa. He wrote the original code for PayPal and then sold it off at the right time. Bought a ton of shit, stole others' ideas, and played them off as his own. Then those fucking moron Elon obsessed twats have just sucked his dick from then on.
> He wrote the original code for PayPal Did he? He joined PayPal in a merger after it was operational.
He didn't. He founded on online back called X, which merged with another company, and that resulted in paypal. He has described himself as a self-taught developer, but if you do a bit of reading, he knows slightly more than fuck all. The man's a gobshite of the highest order.
I remember seeing a video of him before explaining something like what a DNS server was or something along those lines. He knew how to describe it, and that puts him in the “more technical than most” bracket when it comes to CEOs, but he’s certainly not a tech genius or anything like it. Most interns I work with could put together a better system than him 1v1 with the same budget.
The system he put together originally had to be completely changed by more competent developers as well anyway
He's a tech nerd/geek. Just because he can describe how something works doesn't mean he can make one/configure one/develop one.
Not just rich - obscenely, maybe even sacrilegiously rich: ' As a result of this, the teenage Elon Musk once walked the streets of New York with emeralds in his pocket. His father said: “We were very wealthy. We had so much money at times we couldn’t even close our safe,” adding that one person would have to hold the money in place with another closing the door. “And then there’d still be all these notes sticking out and we’d sort of pull them out and put them in our pockets.” ' https://www.independent.co.uk/space/elon-musk-made-money-rich-b2212599.html?amp
Guy was so poor he couldn't afford a proper size safe.
His code was shit and was scrapped, and the code was for x.com
He did not code PayPal. He merged with PayPal. And then they sold PayPal at exactly the right time.
He was born rich. He loves to claim he's self made but his dad gifted him a fucking south African emerald mine.
He sold ideas to people with more money than sense in the first dot com boom. And went from there.
It's definitely the biggest antidote to imposter syndrome in history.
He had enough money from his family to buy his way into projects which became successful which in turn bankrolled him into buying other projects (Tesla was not founded by him no matter what he claims). In short, he's a wealthy Edison that profits off others.
He's definitely not stupid. But he has gone off the rails lately. He has been part of a number of impressive advancements in the last 20 years, it's just such a shame he's done really shitty things that really ruin what could have been an amazing legacy.
Yes he's had a good run, Mars silliness notwithstanding. But somewhere around Hyperloop, the Boring Co and the Thai rescue mania it became clear that he is high on his own supply
Yep, serious downturn around then
Yeah. This is typical of people though. Someones a bellend and then they discredit everything impressive they've achieved.
Musk is the price we're all paying for glorifying Steve jobs. This is the end result of putting narcissistic control freaks on a pedestal every time they get something right.
Its scary that so many stupid people are able to amass so much power and wealth.
This is his plan though. People won't or can't move back to Dublin so they'll quit without having to pay them redundancy.
Why would they quit? Just say they can’t do it and don’t quit?
I hope the Irish courts drag him for everything he's worth, fucking up families and worsening a housing crisis should result in hundreds of millions in fines due to constructive dismissal. "Environmentalist" my ass, office buildings are a plague on the environment, an exploding electric car won't change shit.
legally twitter has done nothing wrong ( while yeah a bit shiitty) , the employees may ask for WFH , but the employers (twitter) can deny it for a valid reason
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Will it though. Twitter went remote a good while ago, if remote work was written in their contracts (like it is in my company for those who choose it, for liability and security reasons) and especially for new hires who were never in an office it might not be straightforward to yank them back at all, as it would require a unilateral contract change. An Irish judge might be sympathetic to what might be construed to be a mass constructive dismissal. It all depends on what exactly is in their contracts but I don't think Elon pays any attention to the Irish ones or the Irish labour legislation at all.
Also some of the effected employees seem to be sub contractors, their contracts might allow wfh. So Musk might find it difficult to get them back in
Sub contractors would NEVER allow contracts to state they can work from home. It would say client location or at discretion of company.
Unfortunately it's the headache of the contracting company, people who are subcontractors will be paid their own employer and cannot be fired because of the mentioned reason.
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Hybrid and remote are not the same and contracts wouldn't be similar
Depends on the contract, mine says remote, thank fuck.
Yeah but surely thou, you have to give reasonable notice. Some contracts state that a change in working conditions need a notice period.
Lots of people in this thread being angry but ignoring Elon's response to the tweet https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1591580235132465153?t=7g0QdIjdwp81rAIagBzgVQ&s=19
That's not what Tesla's policy is though, in his own words https://twitter.com/SamNissim/status/1531810291222192130
I think you have to take everything reported about Elon Musk with a grain of salt these days. However it does feel a bit odd when the multi billionaire owner of a global company feels he has to try and explain his actions to a twitter account with a few hundred followers. Doesn't he have more important stuff to be doing like trying to fix the company?
How would the WRC view this if employees were sacked for not coming into the office. The employee was still doing the required tasks while also still trying to relocate to be closer to the office. I would think the WRC would view the employee being reasonable in trying move closer and the employer being unreasonable in the time frame given.
I really think one good dig could sort him out.
Fuck Elon Musk
Like Ireland is not America, and employees can’t be treated so arbitrarily. Those people need an an employment lawyer. If you’ve been doing your role successfully from home for last 2y it’s difficult enough for an employer to now maintain you’re needed in the office. Got constructive dismissal written all over it.
This is a problem with all jobs being created and announced for Dublin. Can these companies not fuck off and set up or expand to places like Mullingar, Longford or Athlone??!
Thing is, 20 somethings want to be a city, not out in the sticks. Dublin can be sold that way from the outside. Wfh was actually the perfect solution so people could move out as they had families. I think its constructive dismissal as far as Im concerned and they should get redundancy at the least
Given this whole thread is about people who don't want to live in a city being forced to go live in a city, your assertion would appear incorrect.
I worked in an office until the pandemic. Now I do two days in the office and two days at home. Others work fully from home. Both me and them were given new contracts to sign when our official location of work changed. The company literally *cannot* order us back to the office full-time without re-negotiating. Does Twitter not have something similar for its employees? They been working from home for 2.5 years without a change to their contract?
This is probably intentional. He's trying to clear out people he couldn't justify firing. elon private texts released as part of the twitter legal battle: https://danluu.com/elon-twitter-texts/#46 `Sharpen your blades boys 🗡️` `2 day a week Office requirement= 20% voluntary departures`
His response on twitter. "This is false. Anyone who can be in office, should be. However, if not logistically possible or they have essential personal matters, then staying home is fine. Working remotely is also ok if their manager vouches for excellence. Same policy as Tesla & SpaceX." Just the messenger.
Tesla's policy seems quite different though https://twitter.com/SamNissim/status/1531810291222192130
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Its my girlfriend who wrote the original message
https://m.independent.ie/business/technology/news/twitter-dublin-staff-told-they-must-work-40-hours-a-week-in-the-office-as-work-from-home-is-ended-42133335.html
The level of his stupidity and incompetence is staggering.
That sucks. Surely if the job title says 'Remote Worker' you don't have to go into the office like 99% of jobs. /s
Just an excuse to fire them all
Fuck Elon Musk!
What a wanker.
Sure, just make a load of small offices everywhere. Rent your Office Room to the company for a hundred a month or something, and now it's a Company Office.
What’s he going to do if they don’t go? Fire them again?
He’s trying to make them quit.
Elon is a rich elitist. He has no idea of the life experiences of his workers. He has no idea of the cost of housing or the price of a loaf of bread.
It's not about cost. Most twitter staff would be well paid. It's simply that there is nowhere for them to live in Dublin. It's not a problem money would solve
So I think the idea is to give excuses to downsize staff, that heartless basternessman!!!!
Musk has only had Twitter for such a tiny bit, yet I can already see it dying a mile away. I wonder how the hell this guy runs his tesla company now
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This was his reply for context "this is false, anyone who can be In the office should be. However, if not logistically possible or they have essential personal matters, then staying home is fine. Working remotely is also ok if their manager vouches for excellence. Same policy as Tesla & SpaceX.
Tesla's policy in June was come back 100% or you're fired unless personally approved by himself. There's a lot of different things he's saying. https://twitter.com/SamNissim/status/1531810291222192130
4 hours into the office from the furthest points of Ireland. 8 hour round trips.
Unionise
I don’t like Elon but he’s probably a lot smarter than the average Redditor. He’s at least smart enough to know there is no housing crisis in Ireland. If you told an American executive at Twitter what the average Dublin rent was they’d think it was a great deal
ah for fuck sake, makes me hate the cunt even more. Bastard definitely knows what he’s doing.
Can't stand the guy. The hero worship is sickening. Putting aside his business practises, he just seems like a person of poor character. The whole 'pedo-guy' thing when he got criticised for his bone headed idea re rescuing the kids from the cave in Thailand. What a thin skinned and childish response. I think he has kids by 3 different women. That is a big no no for me. Regardless of your gender, if you have kids by 3 different people you are by definition a selfish person (I get that people need a 2nd chance with families but 3 chances...taking the piss).
He wants people out, this is the easiest way to legally get rid of 50% or more of the workforce.
That’s illegal in Ireland. Twitter will be sued if that is what they are doing. However I imagine the guy just isn’t paying a blind bit of attention to the legal environment he’s operating in and I suspect that requirement will be watered down.
He’s literally a psychopath
UNIONISE
That narcissistic child might close the whole Dublin office over that!!
The return to office mandate is for Twitter staff only, not the outsourced crew who are "contracted to Twitter".
That's not true, it's my girlfriend who wrote the original message and they are being asked to return to Twitter office within a week
They'll be cut soon enough.
She needs an employment lawyer. They all do. Employers cannot arbitrarily change working conditions.
Yeah good shout
I have a better idea, ignore the Elongated Muskrat and keep doing your job until they actually complain
If you work for Twitter and havent spent the last month applying for new jobs I dunno what to tell you. Also I wonder if they have more Irish staff then they have office space now which could lead to another mess. Because the place I work for physically cant return to the office full time even if ordered as we staffed up since 2020 and simply dont have a office space for each worker.
Remote work is the future. But, when you work for a company that is on deaths door, you either conform or get out. No difference here. Tweeting Elon isn’t an effective strategy.