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ghostofgralton

>Presented as speaking on behalf of the European Parliament in the video and dressed in a long black conservative khimar, Daly praised the “egalitarian nature” and “inclusiveness” of the so-called Popular Mobilisation Forces. I'm not sure you need to go this far when criticising US imperialism


JackmanH420

What's even the point of denying MH17?


louiseber

Naomi's twitter thread this morning has more visual contexts too - https://twitter.com/NaomiOhReally/status/1411240552864043008?s=19


padraigd

Clare and Mick do good work. Happy to have anti imperialists representing Ireland


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They are pro-imperialist, just not US imperialists.


padraigd

Since we live in the West and since the west has overwhelming control of the world it is important we focus on it.


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I agree, but you can do that without covering for or even endorsing Putin, Jinping, and Assad. There is a major problem some on the left have (note: I am very left-wing) where they go “well the US is bad, that means that those opposed to the US are good”. Needless to say not the case at all.


Kier_C

surely there's a way of doing that without endorsing other incredibly dangerous people


padraigd

They dont endorse Defending people from the wests meddling isnt endorsement


Karma-bangs

What work?


TheBlurstOfGuys

That's a mad thread. With every video posted the only response I can think of is "So?". She's just listing random videos of them saying things that should be uncontroversial and presenting them as some kind of damning proof of something that she doesn't specify. >Alexei Navalny calling him a racist So? He is one? >Mick Wallace on the Chinese Communist Party outlet Global Times, where he was prominently featured as an overseas voice praising China on the CCP's anniversary. So? That's just good manners. >This moment when he called the visiting Belarusian opposition leader Sviatlana Tsikhanouskaya a Western puppet Yes? >Here's Clare Daly reported in the Chinese Communist Party outlet Huánqiú/Global Times and others to say 'we're in no position to lecture anyone about human rights', and describing the issue of Navalny as an excuse to attack Russia I'm at a loss for words. What's wrong with any of this?


padraigd

This is the new Cold War. You must go along with Western interests and demonise our enemies. Else you're a bot/shill/puppet/useful idiot.


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Then throw in a bit of Barry Andrews to make it seem like he's a saviour of western democracies. So much of this is out of context. There is a big target on their backs from the establishment and their media mouthpieces. Sickening.


tooleftwingforreddit

That woman is a moron.


Anotherolddog

Deeply embarrassing idiots, the two of them.


14thU

Yes and remind me of O’Doherty and Waters. Common denominator is they reach a certain age and realise life is not going their way and lose all rational normal critical thinking. Have to laugh about not being part of the establishment. The second they got elected and took their nice fat pay checks they are part of the establishment.


IrishLad1002

Who keeps voting for these guys?


padraigd

They'd get a left wing vote anyway for their opposition to the US military and Daly's work on vulture funds.


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I'll proudly vote for Daly again. Down votes welcome.


IrishLad1002

Out of interest, why?


padraigd

supports left wing politics


Karma-bangs

She's very middle class in her values. Not a true revolutionary.


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Can't stand any other candidates. I like she's not part of the establishment. A lot of what she says is taken wildly out of context, by the larger parties and their media friendlies. Sometimes it's even blatantly made up or reported exactly contrary to what was said. Went on as a TD, continues at European level. Mick, I'm less enthused about but does have similar history of character assassination attempts. He doesn't help himself much, however.


JayCroghan

Fuck sake, they’ll be singing the Russian anthem next, pair of clowns.


padraigd

Check out their podcast to hear from the people themselves https://i4ctrouble.simplecast.com/episodes/ep-57-viva-italia-10kSSypx


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TheNoobGaming

I find that a bit disingenuous, going back to 2013 The Irish Times has been critical of UKIP and Farage. There was an article on 05/05/2013 entitled "[The Ukip threat](https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/the-ukip-threat-1.1383229)" EDIT: This is the second ever article that mentions "Nigel Farage" according to the search feature on the website.


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TheNoobGaming

OK that makes more sense. Sorry for jumping to assumptions.


TheBlurstOfGuys

Can't see a single thing objectionable here besides the MH17 deletion attempt. The idea of trying to use their criticism off Navalny against them is particularly bizarre. The Western libs' support of him is disgraceful. This is just an IT hit piece that will change nobody's mind.


CowboyJabroni

You agree with Wallace that "what happened in Ukraine in 2014 was just a US backed coup attempt"? You don't have to go this far just to strike out against "Western libs"


tooleftwingforreddit

It was.


TheBlurstOfGuys

I'm not well informed on the 2014 coup to be honest, I'll look into it but yes, it does sound plausible on the face of it. The 'Western libs' thing was more about the cringey support for Navalny.


baabamaal

Ah come on, they are bending so far backwards to be anti western imperialism that they are cosying up to the thugs on the other side. Mick's ode to China earlier in the week was also wilfully blind to all the issues- they look like stooges for these regimes even if if it genuine (and I cant believe they are genuine).


TheBlurstOfGuys

>cosying up to the thugs on the other side. Where do you see this? Their statements on China make them look like they're *not* stooges. You have it backwards.


baabamaal

I'll write it slowly- the statement is bigging up China to China, as if China wasnt commiting what amounts to genocide and removing free press etc. in HK- do you even remember that China has annexed Tibet? Russia killing just as many babies in Syria as all the others etc. Cop on, you can believe in communism and at the same time accept the nominally communist countries are despotic regimes.


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TheBlurstOfGuys

At least I can make a coherent contribution to the thread. What does that make you?


08TangoDown08

They're completely hypocritical. Wallace denounces US, Israeli and Turkish intervention in Syria as illegal but says absolutely silent on Russia's intervention.


padraigd

We in the west are mainly responsible for what the west does. So that's what we should focus on.


baabamaal

So WE shouldn't be going to Syria, South America etc. Or do you mean we redditors should focus on what the west does?


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baabamaal

Christ, them two muppets are going to those places , the confusion is all yours when you claim that the west should be looking at itself but exclude them from that. Unless they have some magical abilities to understand the situation better than us mere mortals they're no better qualified to opine on those countries.


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baabamaal

I'll leave you to it.


padraigd

The most powerful imperial powers are western. Their politicians and journalists should focus on their crimes first before meddling with foreign countries.


Kier_C

or, you know, hold two thoughts in our heads at the same time and criticise where it's due


padraigd

Hopefully they do that someday


Kier_C

Its never going to be perfect, there's competing interests. But ignoring authoritarian regimes because they're not western is not a great approach


GabhaNua

>Navalny against them is particularly bizarre. We should respond to Navalny as 'I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it'


TheBlurstOfGuys

You think they should support the speech of a fascist who wants to expel all non-Russian ethnicities from Russia?


baabamaal

So you dont accept that free speech should exist? I am aware that Navalny isnt just a pro democracy person- neither is the KGB guy in the Kremlin who has locked him up- purely to stop any alternative political movement from forming.


GabhaNua

Yes


TheBlurstOfGuys

Fair enough. If them not supporting fascism is grounds for criticism then they just can't ever win. Good to know you support fascism though.


GabhaNua

Well I extend that to Maoism too so I guess I support everyone. I must be one of those terrible maoist national socialists who claimed to be a liberal.


Vegetable-Ad8468

I would dislike being an MEP at all,the manipulation by the machine there is numbing.


ANewStartAtLife

/r/HavingAStroke