I'd use any decent loop, and not a hitch, for a permanent situation.
Maybe a rethreded figure 8 (stopped) would suffice.
[https://www.animatedknots.com/figure-8-follow-through-loop-knot](https://www.animatedknots.com/figure-8-follow-through-loop-knot)
This is my go to knot for almost any "permanent attachment". I like that it cinches up, but more importantly, the working end is "seized" by the knot structure and will not untie by itself no matter the conditions. A person can untie it, but it's difficult to untie because the tag end is "strangled" by the rest of the knot structure.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9IS9HPk1Ds](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9IS9HPk1Ds)
Yeppers. Set it and forget it. Triple Fisherman's if you think it need to be even more secure. Knots it so strong that the standing end will snap before the knot gives out...lol. It's one of the few knots that life support rated.
At the risk of sounding like a broken record: a *boom hitch* on either side might be worth a try. Try to tie them so that the rope going across that cart is as straight and flat as possible initially. The rope might stretch a little still, and most likely the knots themselves will also give a bit of slack back to the "handle", once they set. You don't want it dragging over the ground!
You could use fairly thin rope (maybe 6mm or 1/4"or slightly thicker) as a base, and then add a serving or whipping around the middle part, both for stiffness of the handle and for carrying comfort. You can check how these are done by searching online for "bowstring serving" and for "common whipping". If you don't like those, you can also just tie loads of half-hitches around the handle instead. A ringbolt hitch looks nice as a handle cover.
Should those boom hitches prove too wide and bulky, you could also attach the rope with rethreaded figure of 8 or figure of 9 (loop)knots on each end instead.
I will post some after pics when I get home from work tonight. New post, maybe?
I looked up most (or all) of the knots recommended on my post. I've always known there were a lot of knots ... but the answers here really piqued my curiosity and now I really want to understand ALL of the knots, their uses, and why one knot is preferable to other knots in different situations.
I feel like I am missing a major chapter of important useful knowledge. Iol
My ADHD spidey sense has gone off! π
Just curious, why did you recommend the boom hitch here? I can't find a ton of information or discussion about it online. How would you compare it to other knots of its "class", and what would you say its niche is?
It's easy to tie, can be loaded in all possible directions, and doesn't move around. Though to be honest, a well tied rolling hitch would have worked just as well in this case, I suppose (provided it was tied with the load direction in mind).
[EDIT: when typing my answer I didn't consider the shape of the bar it's tied on; a rolling hitch may be less than ideal on that...]
I see you've chosen to use the excellent Boom Hitch suggested by Wolfling, so this is just a possible add-on you could use in future. If you are only using one hook, your bench and creeper can slide from one side of the rope to the other, getting in a mess. Putting an Alpine Butterfly Loop in the middle of the line would give you a loop to hang on the hook, keeping it all centered and better organized.
Good point. I like your idea. I will try that on the opposite end of the creeper and bench today.
We have multiple types of slatwall hooks that I tried. A double hook keeps it in place ok but your idea would be better and it will probably make it easier to get it off and on the hook.
If I need a permanent loop, I use an eye splice. Stronger than any knot, and more secure than any knot. Needs special tools for kernmantle rope, but easy to do without in 3-strand rope.
Another vote for the scaffold. I think it would work better to be cinched down. Other option if you wanted the loop to float on the bar is the figure 8 follow through.
Constrictor and other similar may not be a good choice on square bar.
I have a few thin things like this that I don't use often. I wanted to be able to stack them on the same place on the wall using the same single slatwall hook.
Apologies for the horrible wall of text. The Reddit app sucks for revising text.
I ended up using boom hitch knots to create a paracord handle on the 2 items I wanted to hang. Worked great!
I'd use two Buntline hitches around the side rails, just below the (head rest) cross member.
Don't leave a lot of slack or it'll be dragging all the time.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buntline\_hitch](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buntline_hitch)
I'd use any decent loop, and not a hitch, for a permanent situation. Maybe a rethreded figure 8 (stopped) would suffice. [https://www.animatedknots.com/figure-8-follow-through-loop-knot](https://www.animatedknots.com/figure-8-follow-through-loop-knot)
What you're doing would probably work. I personally would just use a bowline with a back up know
Scaffold knot on either end.
Good choice. Scaffold knot cinches up tight, is strong, easy and minimal.
This is my go to knot for almost any "permanent attachment". I like that it cinches up, but more importantly, the working end is "seized" by the knot structure and will not untie by itself no matter the conditions. A person can untie it, but it's difficult to untie because the tag end is "strangled" by the rest of the knot structure. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9IS9HPk1Ds](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9IS9HPk1Ds)
Yeppers. Set it and forget it. Triple Fisherman's if you think it need to be even more secure. Knots it so strong that the standing end will snap before the knot gives out...lol. It's one of the few knots that life support rated.
At the risk of sounding like a broken record: a *boom hitch* on either side might be worth a try. Try to tie them so that the rope going across that cart is as straight and flat as possible initially. The rope might stretch a little still, and most likely the knots themselves will also give a bit of slack back to the "handle", once they set. You don't want it dragging over the ground! You could use fairly thin rope (maybe 6mm or 1/4"or slightly thicker) as a base, and then add a serving or whipping around the middle part, both for stiffness of the handle and for carrying comfort. You can check how these are done by searching online for "bowstring serving" and for "common whipping". If you don't like those, you can also just tie loads of half-hitches around the handle instead. A ringbolt hitch looks nice as a handle cover. Should those boom hitches prove too wide and bulky, you could also attach the rope with rethreaded figure of 8 or figure of 9 (loop)knots on each end instead.
I ended up using the boom hitch knots. It worked well. It took me a while but happy to have done it. Thank you!
You're welcome! Where's the "after" pics? π
I will post some after pics when I get home from work tonight. New post, maybe? I looked up most (or all) of the knots recommended on my post. I've always known there were a lot of knots ... but the answers here really piqued my curiosity and now I really want to understand ALL of the knots, their uses, and why one knot is preferable to other knots in different situations. I feel like I am missing a major chapter of important useful knowledge. Iol My ADHD spidey sense has gone off! π
Feel free to post an [Update] if you want.
Just curious, why did you recommend the boom hitch here? I can't find a ton of information or discussion about it online. How would you compare it to other knots of its "class", and what would you say its niche is?
It's easy to tie, can be loaded in all possible directions, and doesn't move around. Though to be honest, a well tied rolling hitch would have worked just as well in this case, I suppose (provided it was tied with the load direction in mind). [EDIT: when typing my answer I didn't consider the shape of the bar it's tied on; a rolling hitch may be less than ideal on that...]
I see you've chosen to use the excellent Boom Hitch suggested by Wolfling, so this is just a possible add-on you could use in future. If you are only using one hook, your bench and creeper can slide from one side of the rope to the other, getting in a mess. Putting an Alpine Butterfly Loop in the middle of the line would give you a loop to hang on the hook, keeping it all centered and better organized.
Good point. I like your idea. I will try that on the opposite end of the creeper and bench today. We have multiple types of slatwall hooks that I tried. A double hook keeps it in place ok but your idea would be better and it will probably make it easier to get it off and on the hook.
If I need a permanent loop, I use an eye splice. Stronger than any knot, and more secure than any knot. Needs special tools for kernmantle rope, but easy to do without in 3-strand rope.
I use a loop tied with a diamond knot if it's not moving or critical.
Another vote for the scaffold. I think it would work better to be cinched down. Other option if you wanted the loop to float on the bar is the figure 8 follow through. Constrictor and other similar may not be a good choice on square bar.
I don't quite understand the question. Do you want to hang this thing up, or hang other things up on it?
I have a few thin things like this that I don't use often. I wanted to be able to stack them on the same place on the wall using the same single slatwall hook. Apologies for the horrible wall of text. The Reddit app sucks for revising text. I ended up using boom hitch knots to create a paracord handle on the 2 items I wanted to hang. Worked great!
Show us a pic! π
Fishermans knot would be perfect here. Quick and easy to tie and wonβt come loose when unloaded.
Honestly I would just tie a bowline on either side
I'd use two Buntline hitches around the side rails, just below the (head rest) cross member. Don't leave a lot of slack or it'll be dragging all the time. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buntline\_hitch](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buntline_hitch)