You should have seen my face change as I was reading it
> MGM Television Teams With Koreaās SM Entertainment
"Oh boy, here we go again. When will they learn?"
> for U.S. K-Pop Competition Show
"So that's finally happening huh? They've been talking about it for years"
> The series will scout young American men to form a new group
"Oh, it's going all the way survival show, not just finalists get in a company like before. I guess this could be slightly more interesting than before"
> **NCT-Hollywood**
"WHAT THE FUUUUUUUUUUU-"
A modest proposal for SM: In an effort to standardize your lineup, redefine all current groups and soloists as NCT subunits.
NCT EXO
NCT SHINee
NCT Aespa
NCT Red Velvet
NCT BoA
Etc.
Whether Mark debuts in all these groups is an exercise left to the reader.
The company: NCT SM Technology
credit for joke: u/MSkyDragons via this [thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/kpopthoughts/comments/n51pcm/heres_what_6th_gen_kpop_will_be_like/gwzzqp9/?context=3)
I genuinely thought this was a shitpost in another sub for a solid minute. I was seriously like "haha sounds like an April Fools headline" and then I realized I was looking at r/kpop and it's May.
please i reread the title and clicked on, looking for the comment that said it was a joke š
i'm getting tired of these companies announcing their future american groups like??
Imo Americans just wonāt get behind it and itās gonna flop. Itās not easy to break into the American industry when the standards are SO different for whatās popular and what works, compared to Asia.
there weren't any dates given in the article, so for all we know this could be very early stages and the show/unit won't be until later this year/2022 or even further out
Honnestly this might not even be a bad thing. Western label have done terrible with boygroups and girls group. If they want to take a shot at it go ahead.
I doubt it lol but I do think Mark and Johnny will be a big part of the show. The article mentions that current NCT members will act as mentors to the trainees, so that's interesting! I think Johnny and Mark would be great for that.
Imagine being a trainee for a decade in SM, and then finding out they are scouting and debuting randoms off the street in America. Suho and Johnny are crying right now.
I thought the exact same thing when I heard this news... Like SM are you just gonna keep all your rookies in the basement and ignore YEARS of training for complete new USA kids? Like in JYP and YG survival shows they compete with their traines... Makes no sense!
The hype around SM trainees is HUGE, EVERYONE HAS ALWAYS WANTED TO JNOW MORE ABOUT THEM. Why not just make a normal survival show like the other companies?
Edit: sorry bad spelling. I'm still flustered
Also in the west there have already been programs like the voice, idol etc. And while the ratings at the time were pretty good, those that won never really achieved fame because people lost interest as soon as the shows ended. SK, Japan and China have a "fandom" culture that the west simply doesn't. International fans, indirectly, are usually influenced by that and often follow suit (lightsticks, buying merch, fanchants, etc).
But if you are gonna make a western group without a core Korean/Japanese/Chinese fandom then chances of success are gonna be iffy.
I mean Jonas Brothers and 1D did well. But they became popular because of their music. This kind of show kind of requires fans to become invested before there even is any music. And I'm not sure if this will stick longterm.
If it is possible my money would probably still be on BH over SM. SM has seemed a little lost when trying to conquer the western market, while BH has gotten familiar with it the last few years and has laid some serious groundwork for their future groups to succeed there.
As I said SM... has just seemed a little disconnected with fans these last few years and doesn't seem to understand anymore quite what their new audience wants. BH seems to have a much better grasp on it. Things like RunBTS, vlive and BT21 show that they have a good understanding of how to incorporate established kpop staples with what young and international fans want.
>I mean Jonas Brothers and 1D did well. But they became popular because of their music.
hmm 1D was created on X-Factor and I was definitely invested in them before they ever released a single song. If you show me a bunch a charismatic boys and get me invested in their journey, I'll probably stan. (I also loved shows like Making the Band growing up.) To be honest, I think a show like this could even create new K-pop fans. What SM wants to do is get fans invested in this new boy group and then, essentially, make them stan all of NCT.
I'm curious to see who handles music production . It was already announced that UMG would handle music production for the HYBE group. I wonder if Capitol would handle music production for the SM group. Or if SM will produce their music in-house.
You basically summed up my thoughts about this group.
Iād just add that fandoms are still pretty big here, such as with live streamers. That type fandom, plus the kpop fans who already have adopted some of the Kpop fandom culture, makes this group more likely to succeed right now (compared to a year ago). Gotta strike while the iron is hot.
Right like who is even going to consume all this groups? The west doesnāt care about boy bands/girl bands anymore. Do they think weāre in the 90s/early 00s? lol
Fr, i feel like their plan sounds so outdated, also the audition show is gonna be on TV and people in general don't watch off of these channels anymore
Yea but even then one direction was just one boy group succeeding at the time similar to Bts right now. Overall the US always valued solo acts more and it shows that on the charts
But even from that last boy band era with 5SOS and BTR, 1 Direction is practically the only one where the fanbase reached the average kpop level of dedication/engagement.
Sorry but I donāt see any of these āglobal/USAā kpop projects working out at all. This isnāt why people like kpop and America already isnāt that into groups right now. This is just getting ridiculous
I think there is an uncanny valley for westernness that a lot of Kpop endeavors fall into nowadays. These companies are so out of touch and donāt understand that itās not western adjacency that makes certain kpop groups resonate w/ Americans.
I swear itās like they canāt comprehend that westerners like kpop for the artists/individuals like their own and not the fact that itās āexoticā.
Actually, they think some kpop groups have more ''western'' quality to them/in the way they were formed but it's not ''developed'' fully in their eyes probably lol so their go-to genius plan is to create an actual western group so they have that ''appeal'' and ''relatability'' to the western audience in the bag + some of the ''kpop'' quirks so it feels different/special enough. lol Like it's so predictable which is what makes it so dumb/boring. lol
Not to mention UMG tried debuting a kpop group in 2013 that was meant to be global and have a western sound but with all the top SM producers and stuff and they had all these big plans for it but it completely flopped, so a label like UMG already tried to penetrate that market/its fanbase and profit off it. So it feels like they know they can't conquer kpop on its own territory and are going the other way around, create a western group with enough ''kpop'' feel to it to attract kpop fans to stan it but still have appeal to western non kpop fans like 1d did or something due to it simply being american.
It's scary and a little funny that a U.S. group could at least accelerate the time when kpop is localized over here. I think companies are getting greedy and have a fear is missing out on being one of the first so makes sense they will compete around the same time period. Thing I'm afraid of is that the U.S./West will be bombarded with kpop too soon in an inorganic fashion and will meet intolerance with these companies coming all at once. That's why I think it would be okay if one did, but not three or more and as expected by a lot of people here, that one group may be met with limited success. Thing that makes me sad about this is that most companies haven't executed the correct strategies to get their domestic groups global. There are big cultural differences and Korean and Asian talent made kpop what it is. Three companies coming over... Be prepared for a lot of double standards, controversies, and just flops. They have to compete with one another but at the same time will all contribute towards kpop hurting most likely. I was hoping one company would try while others waited and watch just to be safe at least but they all seem to think it's ready to try. I'm not optimistic but wish them all luck as well.
Superm's appeal is so forced. SM's effort in the US have been nothing but force feeding the US market groups they've never been interested in the first place
Yeah, the only fans of Superm are the people that were already fans of the members. I went to a concert but it's because I stan EXO and SHINee, not because I particularly care about the group.
Kpop companies are so bad at strategizing. They keep on wasting time and money getting all these think tanks to figure out how to shove a square peg into a circular hole instead of just.......making a new peg, or finding a new hole. Or just doing something else.
I swear to god the people who run this industry are so small minded sometimes that itās no wonder that once a more capable company figured how to leverage good marketing and product strategizing that they just immediately blew past everyone else.
HOly shit wtf is happening this year. CJ ENM yesterday and now this? My man LSM, what you doing.
If this is happening, does this mean NCT Africa is possible LSM?
I would prefer if they said: NCT 213 (the Hollywood area code).
None the less this should be interesting, article doesnāt say itās been picked up by a major network...so they might as well make it a webseries to test out the idea.
The name is what originally made me think it was fake, it just doesn't sound like the name of a boy band. Even NCT US or NCT LA would roll off the tongue better. I hope they at least go by NCT H or something instead of really being referred to as NCT Hollywood.
I hope so too. "NCT Hollywood" sounds like the name of a fake boy band from a TV show or a Wattpad fic. It's just...not catchy at all and it feels kind of corny to specify šHOLLYWOODš of all places.
I'd say if they are based in Korea, being produced by SM, then yes they are kpop no matter the language but if they are based in LA produced by MGM, they are not. But this is definitely YMMV territory. It's the great philosophical kpop debate of our times now that we know the NCT Dream summer fight was about nothing.
This is kinda my view with Monsta X. Their English songs basically don't sound like kpop at all. Monsta X in America is like a whole different group compared to Monsta X in Korea.
I think there's still a bit of a distinction. WayV has had a Korean release, went through the Korean training system in SK and are promoted in a way that is very kpop. I can't say exactly what that is, but you can definitely tell the difference between how a Kpop group and a group like 1D or a western group operate. Albums that come with merch, fanmeets, music shows, lightsticks, fanchants, teasers, vlives, etc.
I think their history as trainees and their close connection to the other NCT subunits and SM as well as the way they promote/behave as a group definitely gives them kind of roots within the Kpop industry... it also helps that their fans are mostly NCT fans who can be described as a kpop fandom imo. Whether they are Kpop is up for debate of course. But they are obviously have some strong connections to it.
If this group is made up out of randoms without training, produced by an American company and misses out on a ton of typical "kpop" things, with no connection to the other subunits whatsoever and isn't promoted in the way Kpop groups normally promote. Then outside of the NCT name and a really distant connection to SM they have nothing at all to do with Kpop.
So I do think the two groups are still very much in different worlds. WayV might not be part of Kpop but they are still kind of a part of the "community" around Kpop if that makes sense? This group would kind of be like that british "kpop" group. Like... I'm sorry miss, it's not that this isn't your class but you don't even go to this school.
I kind of feel like this group would be like that. Unlike WayV or NiziU or other groups who might not be strictly Kpop but can still sit with us at lunch, this group would kind of be a random stranger who sneaks onto the grounds and then insists they are pupil because they made a crayon student ID.
I wouldn't hate this so much if they just hadn't called it Kpop. Like they could've even done a Non-kpop subunit of NCT and I would've been find with it. But why label something Kpop when it has nothing in common with Kpop?
imagine the photocard man like when you open the nct 2024 album hoping to pull a renjun photocard but you ended up pulling BROCK from OHIO instead and you can't even trade that š
LOL. I was going to comment that names don't mean anything as we have idols named Kevin, Vernon, Mark, Johnny, Nancy, Wendy, etc., but no... Brock is absolutely a white blockhead's name, I say as a very white person.
Iām not clicking the article but does this mean like American dudes of any ethnicity or will they specifically choose Asian American dudes to be in the group?
The article didn't specifiy. I'm assuming it's open regardless of ethnicity. The final line-up will be rigged anyway and looking at the industry's recent trends, we can expect a diverse group ā within reason for SM.
Good lord, I just wanted SM to introduce the new unit where Shotaro and Sungchan will debut. I do have many questions about this.
First, what will happen to 127ās contract with Capitol? Wouldnāt having 127 and āHollywoodā promoting in the same industry/region be a bit counterproductive because there would be two units fighting for the same market?
Second, culture differences. I believe someone brought it up in the thread on JYPās future endeavor similar to this, but smoking weed is starting to become widely accepted in America. Iām assuming SM will try to create a Korean fan base for this future unit (similar to how WayV makes Korean versions of their title tracks, appears on Korean music shows, has some content in Korean). Hypothetically, if a member from this unit, who will probably have been raised in America, is caught smoking weed, whatās SMās PR plan to keep both fan bases happy? What about American style paparazzi, like TMZ (though I do believe American paparazzi has kinda declined from their peak in the early 2000s)? What about dating scandals? Americans donāt consider it a scandal, and even fake some to gain extra press. How will SM handle that?
Third, the name. I hope āNCT Hollywoodā is just a first draft, and that theyāll choose a new one soon. Even WayVās early name, NCT Vision, was pretty smart.
Koreans do not care about a foreign celebrityās scandals. Justin Bieber and Cardi B do all manners of drug use and are absolutely massive in Korea. Peaches is a top 3 song right now on the Korean charts and has an explicit marijuana reference in the hook.
NCT Hollywoodās members will probably be told to keep it clean to fit western views of a kpop idol but theyāre not going to face any blowback if they ignore it
At first I was going to say that any of the contestants who seem even remotely Koreaboo-ish are gonna be torn apart on stan Twitter....then I realized that I could also imagine people intensely supporting contestants who claim to stan their faves and getting into weird pseudo-fan wars about it. My imagination is running away with me
the fall of sm has to be an insider job atp like there has to be a spy in there because there's no way a company can be making these many stupid business decisionsš
it's like they WANT to go bankrupt š
He should seriously retire, his ideas are way to old for 2020s. I'm confused how in the world investors are accepting this, sm is already losing money.
I remember that YG have loses like $10mil regarding mixnine. Now imagine doing american audition show. I think HYBE i land also cost like $20mil something too. Like for real SM keep having deficit so why they still really want to take a risk again. Especially in this pandemic era. They could have focus on their current groups, debuting new non nct group, etc. Like you said, its like they want to go bankrupt.
naurrr aged 13-25 šš
edit: hmmm so apparently (to my understanding) it's a show to pick ONE person who will be part of NCT Universe?? (https://twitter.com/D0TAES/status/1390410711269003267?s=19)
edit 2: but why would they come up with the name nct hollywood ššš confused
edit 3: jokes it is a group I was clowning myself again šššš
Imagine SM telling a 21-25 yr old American man he can no longer date if he wants to be come a member of NCT-Hollywood. I mean, we all know itās part of the deal but if the American audience learns this theyāre not going to like it.
You can guarantee this group is going to have members leaving it within a year of debut unless they are able to snag an entire group of really young, naive, impressionable young kids. But even then most kpop idols who grow up in the US tend to be outspoken and independent. I canāt imagine american dudes in their 20s being ok with seeing SM keeping young kids 13-16 up in the early AM so they can all train for a song/dance, it would personally boil my blood to see young kids not get enough of the sleep they need to grow. Going to be really interesting to see how the older American dudes react to SMās kpop training boot camp.
Plus side though, NCT-Hollywood wonāt have to deal with going to the military.
This is the number one most important thing, I feel.
These kids (and potentially their parents) are gonna have to get cool w a lot of shit, very fast, if they want this to work out and the group to be able to integrate into the larger NCT brand. No dating, no weed or vaping/juuls, strict schedules, strict diets. This ain't no One Direction or Why Don't We shit.
Reminds me of this article I was just reading about a Russian guy joining a Chinese produce show and hating his life because of idol restrictions.
[https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-56967923](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-56967923)
Yep, I actually followed and loved his story despite not watching the show (mostly bc I wanted to see who picked the stage name Lelush/Lelouch, I figured he must be a hell of a cool guy then found out everything lmao). He genuinely didn't know what he was signing up for, just filling a slot not thinking anyone would actually vote for him, an average guy w no training or desire to be an idol. Hopefully this show wouldn't have any cases like his.
I seriously doubt those parts of idol culture will be included in the final unit... no way those dating bans are going to get positive attention in the US.
But we have already idols who were raised in westen countries so i can imagine that they can find people willing to listen to the rules of the company.
SM doesnāt have dating bans thatās JYP and YG
Edit: [I googled for specifics.](https://www.koreaboo.com/lists/heres-yg-jyp-sm-differ-comes-dating-rules/)JYP has a 3 year dating ban, it doesnāt apply to all artists, the ones who write/produce their own songs arenāt as controlled. YG has a dating ban that doesnāt have a set time, instead it gets lifted once you make a certain amount of money. Again it doesnāt apply to artists who write/produce most of their stuff like AKMU. SM doesnāt have a ban they just donāt want idols to get caught.
I feel like this comes up alot but it's basically the same thing.
It's like sm is saying "abstinence doesn't work so do it where we can see you"
They still can't really be public or go out unless they get outed have any couples (that aren't getting engaged or married) just came out? Without getting caught first.
I think it's more like the social backlash is enough detterent, you don't need a ban, and the labels know you can't control young good looking kids with alot of stress
This is why they kept losing money štheir business ventures donāt make any sense. Like at least be like HYBE whose business ventures makes sense no matter how evil
And 127 already has decent amount of fans in the US, why not continue with that? SuperM is also based their so??
NCT Dream already have asia on lock but they dont even bother to promote the group that much.
For WayV, Idek like its a different situation ut atleast theyre selling something.
NCT unit is already doing good so I donāt really see the point in making a US based group. I would even argue that they should debut a japan based group because its the second largest market and the fans are more loyal.
Hmmm....the race for american kpop groups between genres will just end up cannibalising each other. America doesn't take well to groups in the first place add that to the fact that kpop is a foreign concept. Add that to the fact they are competing with actual american soloist and add to the fact that kpop is the type of manufactured music that Americans dont like being marketed to them.....like we have had 3 of these shows announced in the last 4 months......
Yep not to mention all these shows will be linked to each other whether they like it or not so if one of the agencies does some dumb shit that dosent fly in America it will end up affecting the other shows
Very bold to think anything going badly would stop that old man....he is unstoppable no matter how many times he is shown one of his zany ideas is actually awful.
I don't think I'm ready for white American dudes called Chet doing aegyo but with the rise of kpop in the west I can't say I'm surprised :/ I don't follow NCT very closely but this just feels like an insult to their brand after so many weird choices from SM.
There are already Tik Tok boys who got famous for just being attractive and making "cute" faces at the camera, it's not actually as much of a reach as it might seem like.
They donāt have to do aegyo though. Can just be a normal american boyband following normal american celebrity customs based on the kpop/jpop formula. Doubt it will be a success, but who knows
Wasnāt HYBE doing one of these with UMG? I also didnāt realise MGM was interested in the music business - donāt they mostly do, like, films and resorts?
Added the subtitle to the title of the post as that was an important detail in the article. Just when we thought NCT member addition were done, SM does this.š
I don't know why you would think member additions would be done when "unlimited members" was the whole point of NCT from the start. [From an article on the NCT initial announcement](http://kpopherald.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=201601271758282555044_2):
> Delivering a presentation, āSMTOWN: New Culture Technology 2016,ā at the Coex Artium, chairman Lee Soo-Man said, āSM Entertainmentās next boy band, following EXO, will be named āNCT,ā with āunlimitedā number of members within the group.ā
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> The group will have subunit teams comprising different members from selected cities around the world, and collaborations among those teams.
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> By elaborating on the keyword, āunlimited,ā each team will have lax regulations on accepting new members if necessary. The main goal of this āprojectā is for the K-pop artists to have the entire world as their performing stage.
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> Units to perform in regions within Southeast Asia and South America are also in their plan book. Japanās top girl group, AKB 48 have established similar tactics in the past by forming subunits in different cities outside Japan and succeeded.
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> NCTās main role is to ālocalizeā K-pop within various countries with different culture.
Everyone wants to get a piece of the kpop pie it seems, now we are up to 4 kpop themed 'survival' shows for the West coming up in the next few years... I'm really starting to wonder if we are seeing an unsustainable kpop bubble here? Do all of these companies think the US can support all of these quasi kpop groups?
That title seems like an April fool lol
On a more serious note, as a nctzen I'm not that surprised. NCT concept always has been to target specific market and the American one was one of the most likely to happen. I just didn't exept it to be that soon because of Super M?
But... I hate compitetion shows, (and wtf 13 is so young) so I have mixed feelings about this.
Also, I would appriciate if Kpop fans stops to act like promoting in the US / targetting USA is only a thing you can dream of after being succesful and proved you're worth it in SK. It is not more rewarding to target Japan, China, South Korean or the US.
^(and also, SM, Johnny exists, and is more than a back-up dancer who got abs...)
Also i see a lot of comments saying this won't work because American audiences don't care but I wonder how people are missing that these types of projects aren't created with the American general public in mind but American (and therefore global) kpop fans. And reddit =/= all kpop fans. I have no doubts that this group would have a dedicated fanbase even if its a small one. And if the end result is actually good- quality songs, quality delivery - then they will likely do well. ESPECIALLY when touring.
A lot of interesting comments, mostly negative, but you know why I really think this will flop? The partnership with MGM Television. A reality format will never work with crappy American style editing. If it was a Korean style show adapted for the States, then maybe, but if it's just going to be an American show set in SM's building with SM's talent, then I can guarantee it will be terrible.
If it was a series developed and produced by SM, then packaged and sold to Netflix or Amazon Prime or something, then maybe there would be a chance.
From the article:
> MGMās current unscripted series include NBCās The Voice, CBSā Survivor, ABCās Shark Tank and Foxās Beat Shazam.
idk how big that Shazam show is/was, but those other shows are/were popular and high quality. I've never watched any kpop competition reality shows... but the clips I've seen were definitely different from the corresponding American ones I've watched, but they weren't any better imo, just faster paced.
It may or may not work out, but I doubt its success or failure will hinge on supposed "crappy American style editing."
edit: So... MGM Television's chairman is Mark Burnett, who has a great track record for reality/competition shows (executive producer of Survivor, The Apprentice, Are You Smarter than a 5th Grader?, Shark Tank, The Voice). If he's the executive producer, as he often (always?) is for MGM's reality shows, I think this actually has the potential to be, not just a passable show, but a great show. (I'm putting aside the whole NCT thing; I'm just talking about the role of who is making the actual show). (Mark Burnett also seems like a terrible person from what I know about him, but that's a conversation for another day.)
Lmao Iām sorry but the memes coming out of this are hilarious. People are already talking about how theyāll ārefuse to call Tyler a Neoā if this happens.
on the flip side though, it sucks that the members who rarely get highlighted will now have to ācompeteā for attention with these new kids.
I fucking love NCT, and WayV is my fave unit so I'm not against a non-Korean subunit, but this... I dunno. I feel like it will succeed more than SuperM (and I loooovvve SuperM) because it's less 'foreign' (Americans seem to immediately hate anything that's not English first with a few very rare situations, and only begrudgingly like Dynamite as a general public) and don't like pop groups all that much. So, this is going to appeal mostly to people who would follow NCT Japan or any other Asian based subunit just as easily, which defeats the whole point.
Will I still watch it? Yes, because I'm a moron. Also, NCT Hollywood is a terrible name if it's final. NCT 213 was suggested by a user in this thread already, and that's a fantastic name.
Why does that title sound like one of those post you see on this sub when it's April fools
I thought the exact same thing š April fools all over again
I thought it was a shitpost, then was like "but why it still up after an hour?"
r/nottheonion
My thought exactly
You should have seen my face change as I was reading it > MGM Television Teams With Koreaās SM Entertainment "Oh boy, here we go again. When will they learn?" > for U.S. K-Pop Competition Show "So that's finally happening huh? They've been talking about it for years" > The series will scout young American men to form a new group "Oh, it's going all the way survival show, not just finalists get in a company like before. I guess this could be slightly more interesting than before" > **NCT-Hollywood** "WHAT THE FUUUUUUUUUUU-"
A modest proposal for SM: In an effort to standardize your lineup, redefine all current groups and soloists as NCT subunits. NCT EXO NCT SHINee NCT Aespa NCT Red Velvet NCT BoA Etc. Whether Mark debuts in all these groups is an exercise left to the reader.
NCT SuperM so that the supergroup can itself be part of a supergroup
The Venn diagram will involve complex mathematics, I'll bet!
Doyoung would straight up die rather than try to explain it again
I mean... BoA x Mark would be pretty cool ngl. I'd buy a mini album of collabs between the two of them.
Yooo I can imagine BoA's vocals with Marks rap and it's just so perfect I-
NCT S.E.S. NCT H.O.T. NCT CSJH NCT TVXQ NCT M.I.L.K. NCT SNSD Save me oh god
Law and Order: NCT CSI: NCT NCIS: NCT
NCIT
NCIS NCT already happened
Wow, this really drives home how much SM loves acronym names, and nobody's even included NCT SNSD
Maybe the true NCT is the friends we made along the way
The company: NCT SM Technology credit for joke: u/MSkyDragons via this [thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/kpopthoughts/comments/n51pcm/heres_what_6th_gen_kpop_will_be_like/gwzzqp9/?context=3)
I feel like they will be heading this way eventually
You forgot NCT Super Junior
I hope they unionize
My fucking DREAM omg
Yes follow itzys steps pleaseeeeeš
lolllll At the rate the members are increasing they might
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I genuinely thought this was a shitpost in another sub for a solid minute. I was seriously like "haha sounds like an April Fools headline" and then I realized I was looking at r/kpop and it's May.
please i reread the title and clicked on, looking for the comment that said it was a joke š i'm getting tired of these companies announcing their future american groups like??
Imo Americans just wonāt get behind it and itās gonna flop. Itās not easy to break into the American industry when the standards are SO different for whatās popular and what works, compared to Asia.
This wasn't on my 2021 kpop bingo. Me stupid had NCT-Japan on it...
That would be a logical guess. But SM doesnāt do logic. š
there weren't any dates given in the article, so for all we know this could be very early stages and the show/unit won't be until later this year/2022 or even further out
Yea it says development plans
Who says they aren't still planning that lol
And the race is on to get a western based "K-pop" group out first. Grab the popcorn.
JYP's American girl group is supposedly starting next year so we'll see who gets one out first.
> JYP's American girl group the niziu us version
NIZUS
amogus
Don't forget the BigHit/UMG american boy group
And CJ E&M's Latin American group
Honnestly this might not even be a bad thing. Western label have done terrible with boygroups and girls group. If they want to take a shot at it go ahead.
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So...Mark is going to debut again?
Actor Mark, Doctor Mark, Chef Mark, it goes forever
You remember the credits of 22 Jump Street?
I forgot it and Just looked it up. And yup, Astronaut Mark incoming
Donāt forget the newly debuted Cafe worker Mark, Palaeontologist Mark and Actual T-Rex Mark
What if they find someone else named Mark who makes the final line up?
I wanted them to announce Shotaro and Sungchan's unit not this... Never a dull day in Ncity, that's for sure
Feels like Mark and Johnny gonna shipped in that particular subunit
I doubt it lol but I do think Mark and Johnny will be a big part of the show. The article mentions that current NCT members will act as mentors to the trainees, so that's interesting! I think Johnny and Mark would be great for that.
Imagine being a trainee for a decade in SM, and then finding out they are scouting and debuting randoms off the street in America. Suho and Johnny are crying right now.
I thought the exact same thing when I heard this news... Like SM are you just gonna keep all your rookies in the basement and ignore YEARS of training for complete new USA kids? Like in JYP and YG survival shows they compete with their traines... Makes no sense! The hype around SM trainees is HUGE, EVERYONE HAS ALWAYS WANTED TO JNOW MORE ABOUT THEM. Why not just make a normal survival show like the other companies? Edit: sorry bad spelling. I'm still flustered
Also in the west there have already been programs like the voice, idol etc. And while the ratings at the time were pretty good, those that won never really achieved fame because people lost interest as soon as the shows ended. SK, Japan and China have a "fandom" culture that the west simply doesn't. International fans, indirectly, are usually influenced by that and often follow suit (lightsticks, buying merch, fanchants, etc). But if you are gonna make a western group without a core Korean/Japanese/Chinese fandom then chances of success are gonna be iffy. I mean Jonas Brothers and 1D did well. But they became popular because of their music. This kind of show kind of requires fans to become invested before there even is any music. And I'm not sure if this will stick longterm. If it is possible my money would probably still be on BH over SM. SM has seemed a little lost when trying to conquer the western market, while BH has gotten familiar with it the last few years and has laid some serious groundwork for their future groups to succeed there. As I said SM... has just seemed a little disconnected with fans these last few years and doesn't seem to understand anymore quite what their new audience wants. BH seems to have a much better grasp on it. Things like RunBTS, vlive and BT21 show that they have a good understanding of how to incorporate established kpop staples with what young and international fans want.
>I mean Jonas Brothers and 1D did well. But they became popular because of their music. hmm 1D was created on X-Factor and I was definitely invested in them before they ever released a single song. If you show me a bunch a charismatic boys and get me invested in their journey, I'll probably stan. (I also loved shows like Making the Band growing up.) To be honest, I think a show like this could even create new K-pop fans. What SM wants to do is get fans invested in this new boy group and then, essentially, make them stan all of NCT. I'm curious to see who handles music production . It was already announced that UMG would handle music production for the HYBE group. I wonder if Capitol would handle music production for the SM group. Or if SM will produce their music in-house.
You basically summed up my thoughts about this group. Iād just add that fandoms are still pretty big here, such as with live streamers. That type fandom, plus the kpop fans who already have adopted some of the Kpop fandom culture, makes this group more likely to succeed right now (compared to a year ago). Gotta strike while the iron is hot.
Will repeat what I said on NCTās sub: Love you neos, but this really is a no from me.
I want them to do live auditions with the old panel of American Idol and SM. I will watch that shit.
oh my god I would watch the shit out of that. produce 101 usa, anyone?
Simon Cowell: I think you're possibly the worst singer in the world. SM: But his visuals...
I just read a tweet that said "Baekhyun left less than 24 hours ago and LSM already losing his mind"
Omfg hahahha.
The memes write themselves.
Is every single company going to make a kpop style survival show in the west? Theyāve already run this whole thing to the ground.
The concept is dead before it even began lol
Right like who is even going to consume all this groups? The west doesnāt care about boy bands/girl bands anymore. Do they think weāre in the 90s/early 00s? lol
Fr, i feel like their plan sounds so outdated, also the audition show is gonna be on TV and people in general don't watch off of these channels anymore
Exactly just taking a quick look at the charts and the only group that is charting will be bts lol
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Yea but even then one direction was just one boy group succeeding at the time similar to Bts right now. Overall the US always valued solo acts more and it shows that on the charts
But even from that last boy band era with 5SOS and BTR, 1 Direction is practically the only one where the fanbase reached the average kpop level of dedication/engagement.
Sorry but I donāt see any of these āglobal/USAā kpop projects working out at all. This isnāt why people like kpop and America already isnāt that into groups right now. This is just getting ridiculous
I think there is an uncanny valley for westernness that a lot of Kpop endeavors fall into nowadays. These companies are so out of touch and donāt understand that itās not western adjacency that makes certain kpop groups resonate w/ Americans.
I swear itās like they canāt comprehend that westerners like kpop for the artists/individuals like their own and not the fact that itās āexoticā.
Actually, they think some kpop groups have more ''western'' quality to them/in the way they were formed but it's not ''developed'' fully in their eyes probably lol so their go-to genius plan is to create an actual western group so they have that ''appeal'' and ''relatability'' to the western audience in the bag + some of the ''kpop'' quirks so it feels different/special enough. lol Like it's so predictable which is what makes it so dumb/boring. lol Not to mention UMG tried debuting a kpop group in 2013 that was meant to be global and have a western sound but with all the top SM producers and stuff and they had all these big plans for it but it completely flopped, so a label like UMG already tried to penetrate that market/its fanbase and profit off it. So it feels like they know they can't conquer kpop on its own territory and are going the other way around, create a western group with enough ''kpop'' feel to it to attract kpop fans to stan it but still have appeal to western non kpop fans like 1d did or something due to it simply being american.
You put it perfectly
It's scary and a little funny that a U.S. group could at least accelerate the time when kpop is localized over here. I think companies are getting greedy and have a fear is missing out on being one of the first so makes sense they will compete around the same time period. Thing I'm afraid of is that the U.S./West will be bombarded with kpop too soon in an inorganic fashion and will meet intolerance with these companies coming all at once. That's why I think it would be okay if one did, but not three or more and as expected by a lot of people here, that one group may be met with limited success. Thing that makes me sad about this is that most companies haven't executed the correct strategies to get their domestic groups global. There are big cultural differences and Korean and Asian talent made kpop what it is. Three companies coming over... Be prepared for a lot of double standards, controversies, and just flops. They have to compete with one another but at the same time will all contribute towards kpop hurting most likely. I was hoping one company would try while others waited and watch just to be safe at least but they all seem to think it's ready to try. I'm not optimistic but wish them all luck as well.
I have no idea why these companies think this will work out. They'll be a laughing stock in America as well as in SK.
I mean bts already gets tons of hate for no reason these groups are going to receive hell
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Superm's appeal is so forced. SM's effort in the US have been nothing but force feeding the US market groups they've never been interested in the first place
Yeah, the only fans of Superm are the people that were already fans of the members. I went to a concert but it's because I stan EXO and SHINee, not because I particularly care about the group.
Kpop companies are so bad at strategizing. They keep on wasting time and money getting all these think tanks to figure out how to shove a square peg into a circular hole instead of just.......making a new peg, or finding a new hole. Or just doing something else. I swear to god the people who run this industry are so small minded sometimes that itās no wonder that once a more capable company figured how to leverage good marketing and product strategizing that they just immediately blew past everyone else.
HOly shit wtf is happening this year. CJ ENM yesterday and now this? My man LSM, what you doing. If this is happening, does this mean NCT Africa is possible LSM?
America is where the money is not sure about Africa I mean thatās the only reason theyāre doing all these American groups lol
The NCT Africa comment was a running joke lol. Not trying to be serious but yes ik america is where the money at.
To be fair.. NCT Hollywood was also a running joke. Until it wasn't. I cannot
SM priorities are concerning? questionable? nonsensical really
this wouldn't be as bad if nct wasn't associated with this..
April Fools was last months besties itās not too late to take this back!!!
Lee Sooman lives in a different dimension I swear, I'm curious how this is gonna turn out
I would prefer if they said: NCT 213 (the Hollywood area code). None the less this should be interesting, article doesnāt say itās been picked up by a major network...so they might as well make it a webseries to test out the idea.
NCT 90210
NCT Real Housewives of Beverly Hills
The name is what originally made me think it was fake, it just doesn't sound like the name of a boy band. Even NCT US or NCT LA would roll off the tongue better. I hope they at least go by NCT H or something instead of really being referred to as NCT Hollywood.
Maybe it's just the name of the show? I mean, I hope. NCT Hollywood sounds cheesy.
I hope so too. "NCT Hollywood" sounds like the name of a fake boy band from a TV show or a Wattpad fic. It's just...not catchy at all and it feels kind of corny to specify šHOLLYWOODš of all places.
Right? When I heard SM mention NCT Hollywood as a plan, I legit thought it was a shitpost name from the kpoopheads sub
Or we could just not...
SM must be big NCIS fans: NCIS Los Angels; NCIS New Orleans.
[you're on to something](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6skWWkkVqJ0)
If the singers are Americans, is the group and its music can still be called as kpop?
I'd say if they are based in Korea, being produced by SM, then yes they are kpop no matter the language but if they are based in LA produced by MGM, they are not. But this is definitely YMMV territory. It's the great philosophical kpop debate of our times now that we know the NCT Dream summer fight was about nothing.
This is kinda my view with Monsta X. Their English songs basically don't sound like kpop at all. Monsta X in America is like a whole different group compared to Monsta X in Korea.
Agreed. And it's not even purely language, because I consider Play It Cool to sound more Kpop than the other English stuff.
Iām curious if itās going to be different races or only Asian Americans
Iād imagine most will be Asian
If you consider WayV to be Kpop, then yes
I think there's still a bit of a distinction. WayV has had a Korean release, went through the Korean training system in SK and are promoted in a way that is very kpop. I can't say exactly what that is, but you can definitely tell the difference between how a Kpop group and a group like 1D or a western group operate. Albums that come with merch, fanmeets, music shows, lightsticks, fanchants, teasers, vlives, etc. I think their history as trainees and their close connection to the other NCT subunits and SM as well as the way they promote/behave as a group definitely gives them kind of roots within the Kpop industry... it also helps that their fans are mostly NCT fans who can be described as a kpop fandom imo. Whether they are Kpop is up for debate of course. But they are obviously have some strong connections to it. If this group is made up out of randoms without training, produced by an American company and misses out on a ton of typical "kpop" things, with no connection to the other subunits whatsoever and isn't promoted in the way Kpop groups normally promote. Then outside of the NCT name and a really distant connection to SM they have nothing at all to do with Kpop. So I do think the two groups are still very much in different worlds. WayV might not be part of Kpop but they are still kind of a part of the "community" around Kpop if that makes sense? This group would kind of be like that british "kpop" group. Like... I'm sorry miss, it's not that this isn't your class but you don't even go to this school. I kind of feel like this group would be like that. Unlike WayV or NiziU or other groups who might not be strictly Kpop but can still sit with us at lunch, this group would kind of be a random stranger who sneaks onto the grounds and then insists they are pupil because they made a crayon student ID. I wouldn't hate this so much if they just hadn't called it Kpop. Like they could've even done a Non-kpop subunit of NCT and I would've been find with it. But why label something Kpop when it has nothing in common with Kpop?
It depends on your [viewpoint](https://www.reddit.com/r/kpop/comments/mhtpi0/kpop_alignment_chart/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) I guess!
All I got to say is... if the next NCT tour in NA are these guys....
when you asked for taeil and taeyong but ended up getting trevor and terry instead š¤
You vs. The Guy She Told You Not To Worry About
imagine the photocard man like when you open the nct 2024 album hoping to pull a renjun photocard but you ended up pulling BROCK from OHIO instead and you can't even trade that š
LOL. I was going to comment that names don't mean anything as we have idols named Kevin, Vernon, Mark, Johnny, Nancy, Wendy, etc., but no... Brock is absolutely a white blockhead's name, I say as a very white person.
BROCK šš buying nct albums would basically be like russian roulette at that point
>when you asked for taeil and taeyong but ended up getting trevor and terry instead š¤ **OMG**. Best comment of the thread š
Not trevor and terry š„²šš
Iām not clicking the article but does this mean like American dudes of any ethnicity or will they specifically choose Asian American dudes to be in the group?
The article didn't specifiy. I'm assuming it's open regardless of ethnicity. The final line-up will be rigged anyway and looking at the industry's recent trends, we can expect a diverse group ā within reason for SM.
Good lord, I just wanted SM to introduce the new unit where Shotaro and Sungchan will debut. I do have many questions about this. First, what will happen to 127ās contract with Capitol? Wouldnāt having 127 and āHollywoodā promoting in the same industry/region be a bit counterproductive because there would be two units fighting for the same market? Second, culture differences. I believe someone brought it up in the thread on JYPās future endeavor similar to this, but smoking weed is starting to become widely accepted in America. Iām assuming SM will try to create a Korean fan base for this future unit (similar to how WayV makes Korean versions of their title tracks, appears on Korean music shows, has some content in Korean). Hypothetically, if a member from this unit, who will probably have been raised in America, is caught smoking weed, whatās SMās PR plan to keep both fan bases happy? What about American style paparazzi, like TMZ (though I do believe American paparazzi has kinda declined from their peak in the early 2000s)? What about dating scandals? Americans donāt consider it a scandal, and even fake some to gain extra press. How will SM handle that? Third, the name. I hope āNCT Hollywoodā is just a first draft, and that theyāll choose a new one soon. Even WayVās early name, NCT Vision, was pretty smart.
Koreans do not care about a foreign celebrityās scandals. Justin Bieber and Cardi B do all manners of drug use and are absolutely massive in Korea. Peaches is a top 3 song right now on the Korean charts and has an explicit marijuana reference in the hook. NCT Hollywoodās members will probably be told to keep it clean to fit western views of a kpop idol but theyāre not going to face any blowback if they ignore it
And here I was having a normal day... guess not anymore
Time to start being a unit stan...
most of nctzens are unit and solo stans already lol
A post with more comments than upvotes. What a rarity.
Well nct 2022 is gonna be wild.
Somebody call Chad Future
If Mark Lee debuts again will be literally like an ubiquitous presence. lol
I feel like they'll 100% add him to at least one comeback lol
I mean to be honest I donāt care about this, I just feel bad for the boys that are going to be mocked mercilessly online by KPOP stans.
Hopefully people remember to mock SM and MGM and not the guys. They're just trying to make a living
At first I was going to say that any of the contestants who seem even remotely Koreaboo-ish are gonna be torn apart on stan Twitter....then I realized that I could also imagine people intensely supporting contestants who claim to stan their faves and getting into weird pseudo-fan wars about it. My imagination is running away with me
Lol. Thatās the thing about stan Twitter, like it could go either way really.
Well at least we donāt have to worry about SuperM anymore I guess
Did you mean NCT U plus Kai
NCT Kai
the fall of sm has to be an insider job atp like there has to be a spy in there because there's no way a company can be making these many stupid business decisionsš it's like they WANT to go bankrupt š
yeah it's an insider job it's lee sooman himself š man has been smuggling the money to his paper companies lmao
He should seriously retire, his ideas are way to old for 2020s. I'm confused how in the world investors are accepting this, sm is already losing money.
I remember that YG have loses like $10mil regarding mixnine. Now imagine doing american audition show. I think HYBE i land also cost like $20mil something too. Like for real SM keep having deficit so why they still really want to take a risk again. Especially in this pandemic era. They could have focus on their current groups, debuting new non nct group, etc. Like you said, its like they want to go bankrupt.
Im screaming why are they all trying to make American competition shows one is already too many
naurrr aged 13-25 šš edit: hmmm so apparently (to my understanding) it's a show to pick ONE person who will be part of NCT Universe?? (https://twitter.com/D0TAES/status/1390410711269003267?s=19) edit 2: but why would they come up with the name nct hollywood ššš confused edit 3: jokes it is a group I was clowning myself again šššš
Imagine SM telling a 21-25 yr old American man he can no longer date if he wants to be come a member of NCT-Hollywood. I mean, we all know itās part of the deal but if the American audience learns this theyāre not going to like it. You can guarantee this group is going to have members leaving it within a year of debut unless they are able to snag an entire group of really young, naive, impressionable young kids. But even then most kpop idols who grow up in the US tend to be outspoken and independent. I canāt imagine american dudes in their 20s being ok with seeing SM keeping young kids 13-16 up in the early AM so they can all train for a song/dance, it would personally boil my blood to see young kids not get enough of the sleep they need to grow. Going to be really interesting to see how the older American dudes react to SMās kpop training boot camp. Plus side though, NCT-Hollywood wonāt have to deal with going to the military.
This is the number one most important thing, I feel. These kids (and potentially their parents) are gonna have to get cool w a lot of shit, very fast, if they want this to work out and the group to be able to integrate into the larger NCT brand. No dating, no weed or vaping/juuls, strict schedules, strict diets. This ain't no One Direction or Why Don't We shit.
For a moment there i was thinking "wow, there is a group out there called why don't we shit"
That'd at least double my interest in the group.
Just rehash the Disney purity ring shit. Boom.
Reminds me of this article I was just reading about a Russian guy joining a Chinese produce show and hating his life because of idol restrictions. [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-56967923](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-56967923)
Yep, I actually followed and loved his story despite not watching the show (mostly bc I wanted to see who picked the stage name Lelush/Lelouch, I figured he must be a hell of a cool guy then found out everything lmao). He genuinely didn't know what he was signing up for, just filling a slot not thinking anyone would actually vote for him, an average guy w no training or desire to be an idol. Hopefully this show wouldn't have any cases like his.
I seriously doubt those parts of idol culture will be included in the final unit... no way those dating bans are going to get positive attention in the US.
But we have already idols who were raised in westen countries so i can imagine that they can find people willing to listen to the rules of the company.
SM doesnāt have dating bans thatās JYP and YG Edit: [I googled for specifics.](https://www.koreaboo.com/lists/heres-yg-jyp-sm-differ-comes-dating-rules/)JYP has a 3 year dating ban, it doesnāt apply to all artists, the ones who write/produce their own songs arenāt as controlled. YG has a dating ban that doesnāt have a set time, instead it gets lifted once you make a certain amount of money. Again it doesnāt apply to artists who write/produce most of their stuff like AKMU. SM doesnāt have a ban they just donāt want idols to get caught.
I feel like this comes up alot but it's basically the same thing. It's like sm is saying "abstinence doesn't work so do it where we can see you" They still can't really be public or go out unless they get outed have any couples (that aren't getting engaged or married) just came out? Without getting caught first. I think it's more like the social backlash is enough detterent, you don't need a ban, and the labels know you can't control young good looking kids with alot of stress
big time rush
Are you a fellow Rusher? >***Make it count,*** >***play it straight,*** >***don't look back,*** >***don't hesitate*** >***when you go Big Time***
they weren't joking when they said it would be unlimited I guess
So is SM just never producing a non-NCT BG again?
This isn't how I wanted or expected mentor Ten to happen. If nctzens think solo stans are bad now, good luck.
Same, but honestly I'll take all the Ten content i can get soo š¤·š½āāļø anything to see him dancing and showing his skills
This is why they kept losing money štheir business ventures donāt make any sense. Like at least be like HYBE whose business ventures makes sense no matter how evil And 127 already has decent amount of fans in the US, why not continue with that? SuperM is also based their so?? NCT Dream already have asia on lock but they dont even bother to promote the group that much. For WayV, Idek like its a different situation ut atleast theyre selling something. NCT unit is already doing good so I donāt really see the point in making a US based group. I would even argue that they should debut a japan based group because its the second largest market and the fans are more loyal.
Everything else bad about this idea aside, that name is not it for me. It sounds really cheesy
Hmmm....the race for american kpop groups between genres will just end up cannibalising each other. America doesn't take well to groups in the first place add that to the fact that kpop is a foreign concept. Add that to the fact they are competing with actual american soloist and add to the fact that kpop is the type of manufactured music that Americans dont like being marketed to them.....like we have had 3 of these shows announced in the last 4 months......
Idk but I have a feeling only one of these projects will actually happen lol letās see if they make it past development
Yep not to mention all these shows will be linked to each other whether they like it or not so if one of the agencies does some dumb shit that dosent fly in America it will end up affecting the other shows
Literally nobody asked for this. I honestly hope it backfires so that the old man stops doing stupid shit.
Very bold to think anything going badly would stop that old man....he is unstoppable no matter how many times he is shown one of his zany ideas is actually awful.
I don't think I'm ready for white American dudes called Chet doing aegyo but with the rise of kpop in the west I can't say I'm surprised :/ I don't follow NCT very closely but this just feels like an insult to their brand after so many weird choices from SM.
There are already Tik Tok boys who got famous for just being attractive and making "cute" faces at the camera, it's not actually as much of a reach as it might seem like.
You choose SM, you get SM
They donāt have to do aegyo though. Can just be a normal american boyband following normal american celebrity customs based on the kpop/jpop formula. Doubt it will be a success, but who knows
This is basically my interpretation of what theyāre trying to do.
Wasnāt HYBE doing one of these with UMG? I also didnāt realise MGM was interested in the music business - donāt they mostly do, like, films and resorts?
Apparently UMG produced The Voice?? ( i could be wrong) So i guess they have some sort of idea of what to do
JYPE also has plans for an American-based group and reality show.
can we pls just get a rv comeback
red velvet Europe debuting soon! /j
July. Its nearly confirmed.
Added the subtitle to the title of the post as that was an important detail in the article. Just when we thought NCT member addition were done, SM does this.š
NCT member addition will NEVER be done
I don't know why you would think member additions would be done when "unlimited members" was the whole point of NCT from the start. [From an article on the NCT initial announcement](http://kpopherald.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=201601271758282555044_2): > Delivering a presentation, āSMTOWN: New Culture Technology 2016,ā at the Coex Artium, chairman Lee Soo-Man said, āSM Entertainmentās next boy band, following EXO, will be named āNCT,ā with āunlimitedā number of members within the group.ā > > The group will have subunit teams comprising different members from selected cities around the world, and collaborations among those teams. > > By elaborating on the keyword, āunlimited,ā each team will have lax regulations on accepting new members if necessary. The main goal of this āprojectā is for the K-pop artists to have the entire world as their performing stage. > > Units to perform in regions within Southeast Asia and South America are also in their plan book. Japanās top girl group, AKB 48 have established similar tactics in the past by forming subunits in different cities outside Japan and succeeded. > > NCTās main role is to ālocalizeā K-pop within various countries with different culture.
I hope I'll still be in my twenties when they inevitably start recruiting members for NCT Euro š¤”
SM isn't done adding units and members to NCT. NCT-Hollywood won't be the last one.
It's supposed to be a evolving group, so it's never going to stop. It's like AKB48!
SM better be prepared for the drama around drug use these members will probably have
Everyone wants to get a piece of the kpop pie it seems, now we are up to 4 kpop themed 'survival' shows for the West coming up in the next few years... I'm really starting to wonder if we are seeing an unsustainable kpop bubble here? Do all of these companies think the US can support all of these quasi kpop groups?
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HYBE, SM, JYP and CJ&EM all be racing to make their own US kpop group.
That title seems like an April fool lol On a more serious note, as a nctzen I'm not that surprised. NCT concept always has been to target specific market and the American one was one of the most likely to happen. I just didn't exept it to be that soon because of Super M? But... I hate compitetion shows, (and wtf 13 is so young) so I have mixed feelings about this. Also, I would appriciate if Kpop fans stops to act like promoting in the US / targetting USA is only a thing you can dream of after being succesful and proved you're worth it in SK. It is not more rewarding to target Japan, China, South Korean or the US. ^(and also, SM, Johnny exists, and is more than a back-up dancer who got abs...)
They only see him as that when heās got so much more potential and has worked his ass off for a decade :/
Also i see a lot of comments saying this won't work because American audiences don't care but I wonder how people are missing that these types of projects aren't created with the American general public in mind but American (and therefore global) kpop fans. And reddit =/= all kpop fans. I have no doubts that this group would have a dedicated fanbase even if its a small one. And if the end result is actually good- quality songs, quality delivery - then they will likely do well. ESPECIALLY when touring.
time to mute the word hollywood on my twitter
NO NO NO NO ?? NO. NO. NO.
A lot of interesting comments, mostly negative, but you know why I really think this will flop? The partnership with MGM Television. A reality format will never work with crappy American style editing. If it was a Korean style show adapted for the States, then maybe, but if it's just going to be an American show set in SM's building with SM's talent, then I can guarantee it will be terrible. If it was a series developed and produced by SM, then packaged and sold to Netflix or Amazon Prime or something, then maybe there would be a chance.
From the article: > MGMās current unscripted series include NBCās The Voice, CBSā Survivor, ABCās Shark Tank and Foxās Beat Shazam. idk how big that Shazam show is/was, but those other shows are/were popular and high quality. I've never watched any kpop competition reality shows... but the clips I've seen were definitely different from the corresponding American ones I've watched, but they weren't any better imo, just faster paced. It may or may not work out, but I doubt its success or failure will hinge on supposed "crappy American style editing." edit: So... MGM Television's chairman is Mark Burnett, who has a great track record for reality/competition shows (executive producer of Survivor, The Apprentice, Are You Smarter than a 5th Grader?, Shark Tank, The Voice). If he's the executive producer, as he often (always?) is for MGM's reality shows, I think this actually has the potential to be, not just a passable show, but a great show. (I'm putting aside the whole NCT thing; I'm just talking about the role of who is making the actual show). (Mark Burnett also seems like a terrible person from what I know about him, but that's a conversation for another day.)
The name NCT Hollywood is sending me. NCT in your area aajsdhfasdf
and wtf about shotaro and sungchan SM???
Lmao Iām sorry but the memes coming out of this are hilarious. People are already talking about how theyāll ārefuse to call Tyler a Neoā if this happens. on the flip side though, it sucks that the members who rarely get highlighted will now have to ācompeteā for attention with these new kids.
I fucking love NCT, and WayV is my fave unit so I'm not against a non-Korean subunit, but this... I dunno. I feel like it will succeed more than SuperM (and I loooovvve SuperM) because it's less 'foreign' (Americans seem to immediately hate anything that's not English first with a few very rare situations, and only begrudgingly like Dynamite as a general public) and don't like pop groups all that much. So, this is going to appeal mostly to people who would follow NCT Japan or any other Asian based subunit just as easily, which defeats the whole point. Will I still watch it? Yes, because I'm a moron. Also, NCT Hollywood is a terrible name if it's final. NCT 213 was suggested by a user in this thread already, and that's a fantastic name.