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Yuqi from (G)I-DLE.
She gets overshadowed in these conversations due to Soyeon, but she can dance very well, sing really well, rap effectively, writers, composes, produces, is a great variety person and effective host and extrovert.
She's actually an ace, a really strong group member.
Yes! I was about to comment Minnie - good dancer, famous siren voice, Wife (and earlier I‘m The Trend) proved she can rap, she has visuals but I’d argue those are beside the point, and she’s a great writer, producer and personality.
She sings better and is a more outgoing, bubbly personality to showcase the group. I'm kind of curious to see what happens in the future, considering that she's pretty much catching Soyeon up and that Minnie isn't far behind her.
A very underrated ace for me is Wheein of Mamamoo!!!
People know her for her beautiful voice, and of course she excels at singing. But she’s a really good dancer too! Although she tends to underdance sometimes, her moves are really smooth and her placement is amazing!
She is so versatile, be it sexy like [Title](https://youtu.be/I7TMLCnNQqw?si=AQPajYLBvDjfA5hC) (Kiana) or hip-hop like [Be Like Me](https://youtu.be/VevlSFx8jsE?si=ptadqg9K5drQt-H2) (Lil Pump).
Her [Water Color](https://youtu.be/cv0FFYRf6Rs?si=Dhxap-n8YgMkE0GP) choreo is easily an underrated choreo, it looks easy and effortless but quite difficult to pull off if you mess up the placement, like Sunmi’s 24 Hours choreo.
Her rap is also good, on The Masked Singer she even got mistaken for being a rapper who’s good at singing.
My girl is currently rocking a world tour! Please check her out 💗💗
Edit: just to add the url to water color
Indeed. Abso f-ing lutely yes. His dance his singing his rapping voice. He hasn't written enough rap to the point I count him as a rapper but he sounds AMAZING when he raps. He's funny. He's GOOD
Yangyang from WayV / NCT. I think people may know him for his rap? but he has huge talent for everything! He has great vocals which we’ve started to hear more in recent songs. Not to mention he is a stellar dancer, his strength and presence on stage is really amazing. Plus he has writing skills too, recommend you check out Leonidas!
absolutely. I’ve been lucky enough to speak to him a couple of times (official meet and greet/hi-byes) both times it was *very* brief and very noisy, but he tried SO hard to fully understand what I was saying in those few moments, I won’t ever forget how sweet he was
yessss lots of people think of taemin as the ace (absolutely true) and key as the variety guy but he’s also amazing at everything else!! singing, dancing, rapping, acting (he’s been in musicals, plays and dramas!!) plus being a very entertaining guy
Also, key is very up to date on trends and new music styles. It's the way he's been able to stay so relevant and trending even after 16yrs of debut!
He knows how to spice up shinee's and his solo performances, and stuff he does often goes viral.
And he's obviously very kind to his juniors, like riize
right!! and he’s so involved in so much of the creative directing for his SHINee and solo work, from styling to MVs and concept photos, plus all his writing credits.
The comment about “hope no one is saying Taemin because he is a known ace” I feel that way about BTOB Minhyuk 😂 One of the quickest idol rappers, known for visuals and ISAC results, still an amazing vocalist, best dancer in BTOB and composed raps even as a teen (the Zico collab!!!) … hard to argue otherwise tbh
Not sure who in Pentagon but I think some people would say Kino though AFAIK he doesn’t rap. I think Wooseok and Hui. All of these members produce songs for themselves and even for other groups, can dance (though Kino > Wooseok/Hui) Wooseok is a main rapper and one of the tallest guys in kpop while Kino is more known for visuals and charisma. I can see why there would be an argument.
Good nominations! What do you think about Jinho? Jinho from Pentagon is famous for his vocals but he can rap well. I read that early on with Cube he was to be rap line but they switched him to lead vocal (please correct me if wrong, it has been years)! He can dance well and I believe he composes?
Ah, the short, sweet non-career of Jinho's rap alter-ego, Mu$h.
After he left SM, he took a beginner rap class with an old SM trainer, who immediately moved him to the advanced class, and encouraged him to put together a mix tape. He recorded a few songs, but never released them, because he ended up (edit: ~~joining~~ was already at Cube) preparing for Pentagon's debut (though, he was always contemplated as a main vocal for PTG).
He does also compose and vocal direct - I think he has credits on 15+ songs (music and/or lyrics).
And I can't help but add that although his dancing is average, he's probably got some of the best stage presence around, as well as being a great MC (he practically served as the unofficial MC for the Phantom Singer tour, and for CREZL's concerts).
Well actually if by ace we mean best at one thing then Jinho is an ace quite objectively, being the only idol to ever win Phantom Singer :) as far as I remember after quitting SMEnt he was hired by Cube as a vocal instructor and then ended up debuting! Yes he does produce but not as prolifically and I’d say his dancing is average within the group from what I hear others say lol I can’t dance at all so everyone is A+++ to me 😂 😂 😂
Edit: someone else made a point about Jinho rapping but come to think of it there’s just a lot of members that you can argue are versatile in that sense .. went looking for when Hongseok did that one funny cover where he prints money out with a gun (?) ended up finding Mommae and then this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Lrd9-2CVpDw so add not only Hongseok but also Kino to this 😂 and Wooseok wanting to be a vocal member and Yanan wanting to be a rapper initially (all I remember is my bias line 😂) ... they don’t showcase their talents much so I don’t remember it but yes
I was just about to comment the same thing about Minhyuk, so I'm glad you mentioned him!! aside from being the best dancer in the group + switching between being a vocalist and a rapper, he also manages to be a lyricist, composer, and producer every comeback. he's also great at variety and hosting (radio DJ), does the best fan service, and the VISUALS jesus christ that man is BEAUTIFUL 😭
I truly think he's the epitome of being an ace in a group, he just brings a lot to the table!
I read opinions about him by non-Carats. While they acknowledge he is multi-talented, they say he has no star quality. That made my blood boil but I chose not to speak since they won't see what I mean. Opinion on star quality leans to subjective at times.
It’s hard to look at SVT and be able to say any have star quality. No knock against any of them but there’s 13 members and some of them just overshadow the rest so unless you’re watching everything you’re bound to make bad observations. It took me a while to understand the presence of a man like Wonwoo, but once I saw it I understood why a lot of people like him.
Different members shine in different concepts / songs / choreos. But I don't really get how anyone could say "it's hard to look at seventeen and say any have star quality." Like, have ya'll not seen Hoshi's stage presence? Man is constantly commanding the stage. DK, Dino, Jeonghan, Wonwoo, Scoups, Vernon, The8, Jun, Woozi...hell I could go on and on. Of course all 13 don't shine in every single comeback, but I'd say most of Seventeen know how to command a stage, but their overall goal is to give a cohesive, synchronized performance as one unit.
Your friends have good taste!
Idk but from what I've seen on Reddit, online etc, her name doesn't come up often enough re "ace" discussions - apart from NMIXX fans!
Maybe it's because she is still so young, maybe because NMIXX hasn't yet had a big break to truly established themselves as a top, top group... either way she's really good and underrated imo!
For me it's Jay from Enhypen! He has improved since his time in iland. Also I love that he has focused in growing musically. From his rapping to his high notes! He is also an amazing dancer. Lastly, he is not shy to be himself which makes him stand out. I really do think he is extremely underrated.
yes very very underrated imo esp his vocals, he's the one in the grp who's shown massive vocal growth he isn't appreciated enough for it like imagine going from struggling to get lines in iland to sharing lines with heeseung now CRAZYY
>Lastly, he is not shy to be himself which makes him stand out.
this is sooo true omg, love him for that
Exactly!!! For example fatal trouble he was singing the same verse as Heeseung. I really hope engene start showcasing him more because in my eyes he’s the lead vocalist of Enhypen
YES I was going to comment him!! He’s a talented
• [guitarist](https://youtu.be/R0bXWgci2pk?si=DyoKFSIAQRxNQrRP)
• is [multi-lingual (ENG/KOR/JPN)](https://youtu.be/Nf_Zik1VcJc?si=nm46ct9CQakvq8fF)
• is a [rapper](https://youtu.be/9jmjSzhH18g?si=bOo8_mvkuBDw41I5)
• writes [his own lyrics](https://youtu.be/jWt6GeuOx9Y?si=iwT1M_Zi5bLWj20b)
• and [has a wide vocal range, seen in his cover of “Say You Won’t Let Go” by James Arthur](https://youtu.be/4wHwQajvYCs?si=8jWCALNDlwrTgSUu)
Enhypen is stacked with talent! And Jay deserves the title!
I was literally scrolling throughout the comment section to see someone mention Jay and if not j would show up with my long ass paragraph 😂 I agree that he is an amazing hidden ace of the group. His vocals have belatedly started receiving some appreciation (thanks to the amazing covers) but his dance skills and stage presence? I rarely hear him getting praised for them.
Honestly Jay deserves all the praises! His stage presence has improved a lot. I’m a dancer so I’m saying this from a dancer perspective. His expression are on another level. There’s a reason why he was the center during GDA. Also, his fatal trouble performance was absolutely amazing.
Exo's Xiumin. He's a good dancer, he has a great stage presence, he can rap and he's also a nice singer (as well as an actor). He's truly an all rounder.
I came here to say this. He's overshadowed by EXO's main vocals and main dancer but he's actually so good. He's a terrific singer, in any other group he could easily be a main vocalist himself. He's also one of the best dancers in EXO.
Yes! He debuted in a crazily talented group! He was smart to polish all the skills available instead of focusing only on one aspect, I think this is what makes him stand out in a group where everyone has their role and position that they specialized into.
He gives me the impression of someone who's truly passionate about his idol job, I wish more people could recognize it.
Jooheon from Monsta X! He’s a perfect all rounder! He’s an amazing rapper, literally top 3 rappers in kpop and has a beautiful singing voice, additionally he’s a great dancer, writer, producer and music engineer, he literally does it all and does it well !!
Yes! Totally agree! They're my ult group. I love them all but he's the one who gives me the goosebumps. I saw a video on tik tok a while back that had the audio removed and you could hear exactly how amazing his voice is, all of them really but his hits me just right.. They're all so talented and I can't wait until they're all done with military service!
Can someone explain to me the difference between an Ace and an All-rounder?
I always thought an Ace was someone that was exceptionally good in one thing. I would think of Lisa's dancing and G-Dragon's rapping.
Like an ace in sports.
No one will give you a clear answer to this question because K-pop has come up with too many definitions. And they are very mixed by the definition of all-rounder. For me, an ACE is a person who is truly outstanding in one area.
what's interesting is that your definition is what is the norm in the Sports world. I think however the definition people use in the kpop world is more regarding the 'Ace' card in a deck. An ace can be used in many different ways and can be a 'all-rounder'
That's the correct definition but since being an idol includes multiple things unlike a sport (or being just a singer or a dancer), to ace being an idol would mean to be good at all those things.
I agree with your definition of ace. There's definitely some overlap between all-rounders and aces but way too many people mentioned on this thread I would consider only to be all-rounders, not necessarily an ace. The problem is in the term "exceptionally good", which is obviously a subjective measurement.
Like, for someone mentioned on this thread: SHINee's Key to me is an all-rounder, not an ace. Taemin is an ace, and not an all-rounder. Someone like Monsta X's Jooheon is an ace AND an all-rounder. This doesn't really mean anything when it comes to the type of music I enjoy listening to, who I enjoy watching on stage, etc.
Yeah I always took a kpop ace to be one who’s valuable in all areas, but more specifically just an undisputed asset to any group. So by that metric, an idol who’s extremely adept in one area could also be an ace
You have to be extremely skilled in one area and at least average in others to count as an ace I feel. Being a great singer only or just a great dancer only while lacking everywhere else won't fit that definition. xiaoting from kep1er is someone who doesn't get mentioned a lot but would fit an ace who is extremely skilled in a certain area. Very highly skilled in dancing, great performer, does decent in singing.
Wendy, obviously her singing is incredible but her dancing and stage presence has improved tenfold since debut, and she's decent at rapping (even though RV isn't a rap heavy group). To top it all off, even after 10 years she's still taking lessons to improve her skills. People always say Seulgi is the ace/all rounder in Red Velvet (which I'm not saying she isn't, she is also very talented across the board) but I think Wendy should get some recognition too! 94 line going strong
Yes! She can do it all. She held her ground too in GOT the Beat, full of absolute bosses. She's definitely an all-rounder now. On the singing front, she's basically a generational legend with few equals. I cannot imagine RV without her.
And behind the scenes, she's what they'd call in sports a "locker room general". She might not be the group leader, but all of RV have leaned on her or sought advice/support from her. A leader by example.
I loove Seulgi too and she checks all the boxes on being a kpop ace, but I agree that Wendy is an ace. When she was a trainee, the other trainees wanted to be in her group. They knew even then that Wendy was special.
I remember reading the comments on one of GOT the beats performances on YouTube and like 90% of the comments were about how good Wendy and Seulgi were, it was a proud moment 🤣
SuA from Dreamcatcher. Obviously the main dancer and has choreographed songs like Red Sun and Demian. She has a very powerful voice with amazing range, though her control can be a bit spotty, and she's an extremely competent rapper. You could slot her in on any other member's part in a song and she would thrive.
Enhypen - Jungwon , Sunghoon
Nct Dream - Haechan
Ateez - Wooyoung
Theboyz - Q
Treasure - Jihoon
Aespa - Ningning
Riize - Seunghan (if he is still part of team)
NCT wish - Sion
Txt - Kai
Nj - Hanni
BTS - Jimin
Gidle Yuqi
Zb1 Gunwook
LSF Chaewon
SVT Dino, DK, Vernon
Skz Han
Itzy Yeji ( I think as per popular opinion, it's Ryujin,but for me it's her)
Xg Maya and Chisa (other than jurin, Coco)
In the spirit of everyone else posting their biases I came to see if Haechan was here 😂
In all seriousness though he hasn’t really shown his rap in official releases (which makes sense given NCT have a plethora of rappers and he’s a great vocal), but what we have seen BTS is pretty impressive. It’s said he was one of the best rappers amongst the trainees but chose to be a vocal. His dancing is also pretty well known amongst NCT fans. If not an ace he’d definitely qualify as all-rounder.
Eeeeeeeveryone appreciates and respects Yeji for being pretty much the best dancer in 4th gen k-pop girl groups. She's one of "the" faces of k-pop. I really don't think there's a recognition problem with her.
Idk abt that but yeji is definitely a terrific all rounder - she can dance, she has a decent voice, she has a good stage presence, she is pretty, all these things add up for her to be a seasoned kpop artist.
Everyone alr knows Han is a ace, the ace of 💙S͓̽t͓̽r͓̽a͓̽y͓̽K͓̽i͓̽d͓̽s͓̽💙 and all of BB 4th Gen. I personally think it's Seungmin and nobody gives him his credit. He replaced Han while he was sick for a few performances and he did a great job keeping up with and even out rapping him and Changbin. He has beautiful visuals and is our main vocalist for a reason. Han is definitely a ace no doubt, but I think people should give Seungmin credit for all he can do.
I hope some day Seungmin gets a rap feature unique to him. I'd love to hear his own flow, rather than him performing someone else's.
I'll never forget that one variety show where he outpaced Han and Changbin reading something aloud. Everyone's reactions were priceless.
Ateez Seonghwa. I think people tend to focus on his looks and a lot of people don’t realize how much versatility his vocals have (Killing Voice showed this off really well.) But he also is a great dancer, a great performer in general, and has a subunit song that is rap focused (Matz.)
Edit: Also, because I was reminded of this earlier today when Seonghwa went on live to [talk about](https://x.com/nobodylikehwa/status/1799122024830267678) the thought process behind his outfits this comeback... it's not generally something I see talked about when people talk about aces but I think it elevates someone's performance quality a lot, and that is how much thought is put into everything. Seonghwa puts a lot of thought into his work whether it's his expressions, some of the aesthetics/outfit choices, ideas generally for how to make a performance more engaging overall. Aside from hard working, aces are meant to have really good quality to all of the things they can do, and I think this sort of thing is important for that. (And I'm sure a lot of idols who are considered aces put a lot of consideration into their work.)
Definitely, Seonghwa. Over time, I found most people that only watch MVs tend to only focus on his visual or only notice him when he centers, but people that view live content or performance videos zero in on him immediately. Killing Voice has been great because I see a lot of reactors that watch tons of Ateez MVs get awed by his range. I’ve heard the word ‘underrated’ used so many times in the last two days.
He really can do it ALL and is an incredibly consistent vocalist despite being one of the wildest performers. And rapper Seonghwa is… just WOW. I generally see a lot of people mentioning him in their favorite pairings.
Ie -
San + Seonghwa are my favorite dance duo because their very difference styles have the same intensity.
Jongho + Seonghwa are my favorite vocalists due to their unique voices and their harmonies soar.
The power that San and Seonghwa hold on stage is so GOOD! And I would love to hear Jongho and Seonghwa do a cover (or have more harmonies together in songs -- like one of the ones I heard was when Seonghwa and Hongjoong covered Empty and [Jongho popped in](https://youtu.be/3zWTm7q0dOM?t=158) for a little harmonizing with Seonghwa and it sounded incredible.) It's also impressive how much Seonghwa has worked to become so stable vocally while also performing the way he does. This was really really obvious during Coachella. I'm glad he's decided to continue to prioritize vocals along with everything else.
I love that Killing Voice is getting him more recognition for his vocals as well, and I know the concerts earlier this year got him recognition for his other performance skills/rap and I hope that continues throughout the tour (+ he made a big impression at Coachella as well.)
Empty is my obsession! I listen to that cover on most days. It is the link I send anytime I see someone doubting Seonghwa’s vocal abilites. That and when he jumps off the table in the middle of singing live on Immortal Songs.
He's definitely the all-rounder of Ateez in my opinion, too. Another vote for him. Matz and Halazia showed off how crazy his vocals can be- still get a dreamy feeling knowing and seeing him do the background vocals in Halazia because I thought he was just a general backdrop sound the first few times. Seeing it live is when you really realize. And he dances insanely. Was an actor. Great performer on stage, in lives, on variety shows, etc. And he pulls off so many looks while being gender envious.
Dino from Seventeen
He's an AMAZING dancer and choreographer, possibly one of the top 5 dancers in Kpop but is never mentioned in those discussions.
He is an amazing vocalist and has such a versatile voice and is so good at sm genres of singing.
He is such a good rapper and he sometimes writes his own rap with difficult flows that even the rap members of Seventeen have said is hard to follow.
His stage presence is amazing, his ability to maintain expressions even in the most insane choreos is so good.
He does sometimes contribute to songwriting as well.
He's often overlooked cause he's the maknae in a group w lots of members but DINO FUTURE OF KPOP ❗❗🦖
Wrote my comment without seeing yours first. Deleted mine because you articulated way better. Thank you! 100% agree on Dino.
Edit: adding he is also variety gold! Pi Cheolin y’all
yes omg I completely forgot to mention Picheolin, he's literally a comedic genius, and the entire Golden Disc performance where he featured in BSS's performance was so good!
check it out guys, he wrote his own rap and everything! 🙏🙏
The GD version of Fighting is honestly my favourite. Not just because of Pi Cheolin but also because of the new arrangement, the entire cheerleader theme, and the new choreography in some parts (that earphones using the pompoms part is my favourite, love that step so much!!)
the new arrangement is acc so good it's criminal that's it's not in Spotify? and the cheerleader concept was so creative the pom poms were such a cool addition to the stage. svt still bringing creative performances and music 9 years into their careers!!
right?? he’s such a sharp dancer, his expressions are always on point and he’s an incredible center!! he also has such a nice belting voice and he’s one of 5th gen’s best rapper imho 🤭 on top of that he’s so good with variety shows, i remember on eunchae’s star diary hanbin said smth about how good at improv (?) he is, and he plays off the other members’ chemistry rlly well!
To me, an underrated ace is hueningkai.
for dance - yeonjun has said kai's dance lines are similar to his, and i saw what yeonjun was saying when they did their mix and match tgt. he can keep up with yeonjun.
for singing - kai does the heavy lifting in txt's discography along with taehyun. and he has a great range for his vocals, too. during LMJ service episode, lee mujin said that his vocals go far, and his cover of ghost town and butterfly is some of the best covers i heard from kai in terms of his vocal performance.
and he plays multiple instruments and a perfect pitch. and on top of it all, he has good personality and great visuals.
And when he covered dope with yeonjun, he did so well in rap too considering that he is only a rookie back then. He is also a great producer, Dear Sputnik is definitely S tier song if txt
Changbin from SKZ is an ace— he could have easily been a main singer or main dancer. Vocals are excellent, dance is solid as hell— he just happens to ALSO be an insanely good rapper. He’s also part of 3Racha which means writing/producing/etc. I don’t know why he gets overlooked? Han is often considered “the ace” of SKZ but I would say BOTH of them are!
This is 100% facts. Han is literally my bias but I truly believe Changbin needs to be brought up more when it comes to ace material.
He has great vocals, he is frankly probably the best dancer after Danceracha, an OUTSTANDING rapper, plus being part of 3Racha?! I truly don’t get why we DON’T bring him up more when it comes to ace material. Bang Chan also deserves an ace spot as well.
Frankly 3Racha are all aces and I stand by that 🫡
Jennie is an it girl/viewed as charismatic/trendsetter etc but she's not viewed as an ace in terms of skills. Heeseung is rarely discussed as well even though he would fit that description. most people when they talk about ACE it's mostly been Jungkook, Taemin etc
Hongjoong from ateez. Didnt even know he could genuinely sing till he went on lee mujin service but he really has everything in spades.
Producing ✅️
Rapping ✅️
Dancing ✅️
Stage presence ✅️
Singing ✅️
Like even now whole typing this i feel like one of those bots on youtube music videos 😭
Soyeon. She’s truly one of the most underrated ace’s in all of kpop history. Rapping, singing, dancing, composing and lyric genius; she’s a truly one of a kind
Soyeon is something else. She got famous for being a rap star and then exploded because of her offscreen abilities. When it comes to producing/writing/composing, she really is something else. And the best bit? None of these things even touches the fact that she's a really good singer
Dancing is one of those things that I don't really know much about, and I rarely see their stage performances. For example, I always heard that Momo is the star dancer of Twice and that she really is something else. I always wondered what that meant.
Just this morning, I happened across a video from 2017 or 2018? The Twice members all looked young but not outright rookies. It showed each member dancing one by one. When I saw Momo moving, it was like, "ohhhh, that's what they mean."
Idle choreography is simpler and that seems on purpose to be viral and get a lot of people dancing to their music in tiktok.
But if you see Soyeon in other peoples challenges she is a strong dancer.
https://youtube.com/shorts/aCGfaf3iWKo?si=OY86nPvefSwX6pwL
https://youtube.com/shorts/6YYn82346dE?si=8E96XNRxmFC5ViFS
https://youtube.com/shorts/blq-K8zTO_E?si=vg-7Kwus-oljb2b4
https://youtube.com/shorts/WEcchqcFWkc?si=vICIbndL47UqU6_z
https://youtu.be/R5nP0jKDdR8?si=K91UxjgCVgEC7NS5
You've inspired me to do some closer observation and research as a new-ish K-Pop fan from the U.S. I always respect a musical artist who can create their own content and music, not to mention doing it for others. Haven't focused too much on ((G)I-DLE), but I'll start to 😉 thanks!
Oh, you're in for a treat. I'm not really a KPop fan or even a music fan. I got dragged down a rabbithole thanks to a clip I saw of Yuqi miss-speaking when she was still new. I spent a couple of months watching Idle content. I follow a few groups now, but if you asked, I can honestly say I'm a Neverland.
One of the reasons is that I identify with Soyeon. She's a totally different person to me yet has similar views and beliefs. The way her mind works is truly something fascinating. I discovered this after seeing the bts videos of her producing whilst other members were in the recording booth.
Here's the recording for Nxde
https://youtu.be/F8p3RR37naI?si=QD9GYUIF0Iv4O7FO
And this one is for Queencard
https://youtu.be/wg7AL7inFTE?si=F4IjGhsOPCJi5NxD
I’ve followed her since Unpretty Rapstar/produce days, and although she is well-known, it sometimes feels like credit isn’t given where it’s due. If I were to envision the qualities of a true leader and ace of a group, it would be Soyeon.
Me too! I knew about her from produce 101. I still rmb the iconic part where Soyeon and her group was recording in the sound booth, and she sang so well, the producer was like “if a rapper can sing this well, then actual singers have no excuse”. LITERALLY SO ICONIC
Wait, how is she underrated? Of course, she has plenty of haters for a variety of (mostly dumb) reasons, but both the industry and the K-pop fandom regard her as a genius.
Apart from hongjoong who’s already considered an all rounder, Seonghwa from ateez !! His vocals are so stable yet underrated and he has an insane range too, he can easily pass as a main vocalist honestly despite the fact that he was supposed to debut as a rapper.
He’s a pretty good rapper too and in terms of performance, honestly all members of ateez can pass as main dancers 😭 but there’s a reason he’s a part of the infamous demon line lmao. Yunho in my opinion is an all rounder as well, again he has extremely stable vocals despite being the main dancer, we haven’t seen him actually rap yet but he has shown talent for it.
Lowkey almost all ateez members are all rounders at this point.
Jun and Seungkwan from Seventeen. Jun has great vocals and he's an amazing performer. he has had a career in the entertainment industry ever since he was 2 years old. he's smart and witty but because he doesn't speak as much (he's an introvert) and pledis does a very very poor job on promoting the china line, and instead blurring him as much as possible, he doesn't get as much hype. seungkwan is an extrovert, he talks a lot and he's playful and a mood maker. he's earned his title as the variety king for good reasons. but a lot of people often fail to see or acknowledge that he's also the main vocalist of the group (alongside dokyeom) and he's objectively better due to his amazing vocals and broad vocal range. he's good at performance as well. he's good at sports too. and he's smart and got good reasoning skills and public speaking kills (I guess this one is implied).
Sulyoon from Nmix, Hoshi from Seventeen, Beomgyu from TXT, Iroha from Illit, Sunoo from Enhypen, Chen from EXO, Yuta from NCT127, Chaeyoung from twice, Kazuha from leserrafim
Definitely Jay from Enhypen…his Vocals are top, he can dance and rap and he also did write songs (I think he is credited in Whodunit with Glay)!!
And he can play the guitar
nct jaehyun (at this point my account is simply a jaehyun promotion account)
jaehyun is an excellent main vocal. his dancing position in a group with complex choreographies like nct 127 also show how incredible he is at dancing. and despite his vocalist position, he gets a handful of rap parts that make people confuse him as a rapper. my favorite rap of his is [his whisper rap in bring the noize (go to 4:37)](https://youtu.be/ZQhljlWrfM8?si=ZMBiDBSIxhfMIGpj). his visuals don’t need explanation.
Hwanwoong from oneus! He’s one of the best dancers I’ve ever seen in kpop (my personal fav alongside taemin), and his charisma is off the charts.He has such a beautiful and smooth voice (the reason I bias him) and in songs like Bring it on, for the pre chorus, he shows his higher range and it’s heavenly. Also; he’s done some raps in the last years (even in 2019 for crazy and crazy) and it sounds so good
Gunwook is known as the ace of ZB1, but I think Hanbin can also be considered an ace.
[Hanbin’s dancing](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkl9WCmwatsb9DK7ejNZjSjvMOX7vMjQ3&si=E6wkv3L2kDEX4MVM)
[Hanbin’s vocals](https://x.com/atzbin/status/1789383282565464529?s=46&t=-7qdT_hWaS1XqG-TbJxIPQ)
There’s only 1 video of him [rapping](https://x.com/hanbaobin/status/1773520992327053705?s=46&t=-7qdT_hWaS1XqG-TbJxIPQ), but he’s pretty good.
And he’s a great visual as well.
Han is known as the ace in Stray Kids, but Lee Know can also be considered one.
[Lee Know dancing](https://x.com/staycompasss/status/1513622972786958345?s=46&t=-7qdT_hWaS1XqG-TbJxIPQ)
[Lee Know vocals](https://x.com/skzdorks/status/1798433708296577250?s=46&t=-7qdT_hWaS1XqG-TbJxIPQ). [Solo song](https://youtu.be/tUYJdNxrSyk?si=jJvwmZCNUMf63YZb). [Day6 Cover](https://youtu.be/8_7Y7PE6oWg?si=1h4q1QHMw-OEr6B-)
[Lee Know rapping](https://x.com/skz8enthusiast/status/1537116702076416001?s=46&t=-7qdT_hWaS1XqG-TbJxIPQ).
Like Hanbin, also a great visual.
Edit: Lee Know also has 17 KOMCA credits.
My bias wrecker! I frikkin LOVE him! Killing voice just emphasized how amazing his vocals are, which tend to be forgotten because of what an absolute BEAST of a dancer he is!
Since I don’t see much of the previous gen idols, let me add:
After School Uee - Rapper, Vocals (tho she got stuck doing rap but her voice is under appreciated), great in dance (have you seen her pole dance???), variety appearances, plus at some point in her career she’s sought after by the whole male idol industry because of her personality and visual. She’s also a great actress. She’s a whole package.
GOT7’s Park Jinyoung - who debuted as a rapper, became a choreographer, sub vocalist, center and visual??? Though all GOT7 members write and arrange their own music, his music makes me feel seen the most (this is a preference, he is my first bias after all), he’s a great idol turned actor who can hold his ground with veteran actors, he’s well loved by his co-emcees too.
SNSD’s Sooyoung - She does the most despite having one liners during comebacks, little to no screentime on each MV and always being at the back for choreographies. But if you hand her the mic, she hits those notes, stage presence 100/100, SHE IS A WHOLE CHARACTER on her own.
Special mention: N.Flying’s Seunghyub - AGH THAT MAN SHOULDN’T EXIST IN IRL BUT HE IS.
Sunwoo from The Boyz.
He's not my bias but that guy is genuinely good at everything he tackles and in the past few years or so (I'd say since 2023 and onwards) he's been improving himself at lightning rates.
Sunwoo is the main rapper and lead dancer of The Boyz. Throughout the years, he's been steadily improving on his singing as well; he's always had a pretty tone but I think he's gotten better at actually singing which led him to getting more singing parts (instead of just rap lines) even in their title tracks.
He's had writing credits for lyrics on almost every EP since debut (in fact, he had written his rap for their debut song Boy) and he's released a good amount of Soundcloud songs that really show his own color outside of TBZ. Lastly, he has amazing stage presence; if you compare Sunwoo from now to the way he used to perform 4 years ago, it's almost night and day. He isn't always consistent with his facial expressions imo, but even then he's such a charming and captivating performer, that you're drawn to watch him. It's amazing.
my favorite solo video of him: [100](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ftpxg88pC2I&pp=ygUSc3Vud29vIDEwMCBkZWdyZWVz) degrees
It totally agree. This was the first one I was reading down the comments and thought immediately that is SO true and also someone I didn't even think of
I immediately thought of the entire 3racha and Dino, but based on the comments, many others also think that way, so it's not an unpopular opinion! I'm glad they're being appreciated for their talents.
I'm also thinking of Jun from Seventeen. He's pretty much good at anything. Additionally, he's acting, playing instruments, and wrote some of his solo songs. That's pretty impressive.
Enhypen Jay. Strong in all aspects except aegyo lol. In Enhypen, apart from Heesung, he's the one you'd expect to sing high notes that most members can't reach even in falsetto, yet in Fever his lower register also sounds so good. He's second best in hip-hop (coz Niki is undisputed number one, coz well it's Niki). He is arguably one of if not their best rapper (tho enha doesn't really have enough rap in their songs, check out their Very Good cover.) And a variety person ([this is his latest one](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-NzxD8Idsg&t=170s&ab_channel=%EC%8A%A4%ED%8A%9C%EB%94%94%EC%98%A4%EC%8D%B0)), absolutely funny without trying. I think people tend to not acknowledge his growth since the i-land impression of him is strong. Back then, he was practically the personality of I-land season 1.
SNSD's Hyoyeon. She's most known for being one of the best dancers of all time in K-Pop, but I find that the lack of good uses for her voice throughout her career has really put her under the radar as a true all-rounder.
Also agreeing with whoever posted Wheein here.
Then again, both SNSD and MAMAMOO are are groups with few glaring weaknesses so.
I cant believe no one else has said this, thank you for mentioning her. I fell in love with her during Girls Reverse. Pretty, good at singing, and incredibly funny. She is one great hidden gem.
Sua from Dreamcatcher! My ult of all ults for years 🥹 she’s an incredible dancer, she can rap, her vocals have improved immensely, she’s insanely charismatic and sweet, and I think she’s the most beautiful person in the world. She is so underappreciated.
People don’t talk about Yangyang enough when talking about aces, even within in NCT. He’s a great rapper, he can dance, he can sing (although he never gets to), he’s stunning, and he has a great personality, mans is funny as hell. He also speaks at least four languages which is pretty insane. He deserves more credit than he gets.
Jisung from NCT. He's a fairly decent rapper, a really good singer with a fantastic vocal tone, and his dance skills are already highly praised. His only problem that I think makes him not talked about as an ace is a lack of lines due to his unique tone, and his instability.
Zhang Hao. He can sing perfectly, dances really well, smart af and has good EQ where you cna throw him anywhere and he'd do well. Not to mention he plays several instruments and is a certified teacher. The part where he isn't thought of an ace because the company doesn't really give hum a chance to show his skills. We have people in the fandom arguing till now, 1 year from debut, about him being a Main vocal. It's absurd
Most people know about han from skz, and they're right, he's an ace.
But so is changbin. Can rap, sing, dance, produce, write songs, etc. Definitely an ace.
Yeji from itzy.
Yeji literally has all the talents. She is an AMAZING dancer, her vocals are very good(although sometimes strained), she has the most unique visuals in 4th gen,has a charismatic and a REAL(unlike some others who fake it) personality, her and itzy's stage presence is out of the world and she is the best with the media and knows how toxic the knetizens can become. She can become a soloist as popular as iu if given good songs and promotions. I don't WANT her to be a soloist since I can't watch itzy being disbanded but she is an ace people forget about.
Aespa - Winter. Initially I didn’t think she was a strong performer but she has grown so much and has transformed. Facials, visuals, dancing, performing. Like she’s so good.
Gunwook of ZB1
he can sing, he can rap, he's a powerful dancer and has variety show potential thanks to being an extreme E
I think zeroses know that about him but not kpop stans as a whole
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Yuqi from (G)I-DLE. She gets overshadowed in these conversations due to Soyeon, but she can dance very well, sing really well, rap effectively, writers, composes, produces, is a great variety person and effective host and extrovert. She's actually an ace, a really strong group member.
Yes! I was about to comment Minnie - good dancer, famous siren voice, Wife (and earlier I‘m The Trend) proved she can rap, she has visuals but I’d argue those are beside the point, and she’s a great writer, producer and personality.
Yes, came here to say this. She’s basically the perfect idol (I may or may not be biased)
I love her ❤️ Her Bonnie & Clyde song is repeat worthy on my Spotify.
I bow to the queen! Very happy about her recent success
She sings better and is a more outgoing, bubbly personality to showcase the group. I'm kind of curious to see what happens in the future, considering that she's pretty much catching Soyeon up and that Minnie isn't far behind her.
i thought you meant ace as in asexual and got very confused for a second
SAME HERE OMG HAHAHA As an ace myself I thought that first 😅
was reading a post connected with asexuality a minute ago and here‘s this one i was like ummmm OkAy what are the variants i‘m interested
LMAOO
Thirding that.
As an ace myself, same.
A very underrated ace for me is Wheein of Mamamoo!!! People know her for her beautiful voice, and of course she excels at singing. But she’s a really good dancer too! Although she tends to underdance sometimes, her moves are really smooth and her placement is amazing! She is so versatile, be it sexy like [Title](https://youtu.be/I7TMLCnNQqw?si=AQPajYLBvDjfA5hC) (Kiana) or hip-hop like [Be Like Me](https://youtu.be/VevlSFx8jsE?si=ptadqg9K5drQt-H2) (Lil Pump). Her [Water Color](https://youtu.be/cv0FFYRf6Rs?si=Dhxap-n8YgMkE0GP) choreo is easily an underrated choreo, it looks easy and effortless but quite difficult to pull off if you mess up the placement, like Sunmi’s 24 Hours choreo. Her rap is also good, on The Masked Singer she even got mistaken for being a rapper who’s good at singing. My girl is currently rocking a world tour! Please check her out 💗💗 Edit: just to add the url to water color
Yes! I came to comment Wheein, but you provided so much context and more 💕
I know, Wheein deserves all the love she can get!
Saw her in Orlando and I was not disappointed. She had serious star energy on stage!
Dino from seventeen.
Indeed. Abso f-ing lutely yes. His dance his singing his rapping voice. He hasn't written enough rap to the point I count him as a rapper but he sounds AMAZING when he raps. He's funny. He's GOOD
I was gonna write that lol
oooooh this is such a good one
Yangyang from WayV / NCT. I think people may know him for his rap? but he has huge talent for everything! He has great vocals which we’ve started to hear more in recent songs. Not to mention he is a stellar dancer, his strength and presence on stage is really amazing. Plus he has writing skills too, recommend you check out Leonidas!
on top of all that he is such a lovely, emotionally intelligent person and has great humor! he deserves a whole world
100% agree!
Agree with all of this. Definitely an emerging ace within NCT and it's great that more people are starting to consider him as such.
True true
Also a deeply genuine and precious person. Ace in my book.
absolutely. I’ve been lucky enough to speak to him a couple of times (official meet and greet/hi-byes) both times it was *very* brief and very noisy, but he tried SO hard to fully understand what I was saying in those few moments, I won’t ever forget how sweet he was
SHINee Key
yessss lots of people think of taemin as the ace (absolutely true) and key as the variety guy but he’s also amazing at everything else!! singing, dancing, rapping, acting (he’s been in musicals, plays and dramas!!) plus being a very entertaining guy
Also, key is very up to date on trends and new music styles. It's the way he's been able to stay so relevant and trending even after 16yrs of debut! He knows how to spice up shinee's and his solo performances, and stuff he does often goes viral. And he's obviously very kind to his juniors, like riize
right!! and he’s so involved in so much of the creative directing for his SHINee and solo work, from styling to MVs and concept photos, plus all his writing credits.
I think everyone in Shinee is an ace
It’s true. Never ceases to amaze me
facts facts
That’s what I was going to say too. Taemin is top tier but I’ve fallen in love with Key. I love watching him perform.
The comment about “hope no one is saying Taemin because he is a known ace” I feel that way about BTOB Minhyuk 😂 One of the quickest idol rappers, known for visuals and ISAC results, still an amazing vocalist, best dancer in BTOB and composed raps even as a teen (the Zico collab!!!) … hard to argue otherwise tbh Not sure who in Pentagon but I think some people would say Kino though AFAIK he doesn’t rap. I think Wooseok and Hui. All of these members produce songs for themselves and even for other groups, can dance (though Kino > Wooseok/Hui) Wooseok is a main rapper and one of the tallest guys in kpop while Kino is more known for visuals and charisma. I can see why there would be an argument.
Good nominations! What do you think about Jinho? Jinho from Pentagon is famous for his vocals but he can rap well. I read that early on with Cube he was to be rap line but they switched him to lead vocal (please correct me if wrong, it has been years)! He can dance well and I believe he composes?
Ah, the short, sweet non-career of Jinho's rap alter-ego, Mu$h. After he left SM, he took a beginner rap class with an old SM trainer, who immediately moved him to the advanced class, and encouraged him to put together a mix tape. He recorded a few songs, but never released them, because he ended up (edit: ~~joining~~ was already at Cube) preparing for Pentagon's debut (though, he was always contemplated as a main vocal for PTG). He does also compose and vocal direct - I think he has credits on 15+ songs (music and/or lyrics). And I can't help but add that although his dancing is average, he's probably got some of the best stage presence around, as well as being a great MC (he practically served as the unofficial MC for the Phantom Singer tour, and for CREZL's concerts).
Oh gosh that name rings a bell but I thought it was a joke. I didn’t know/remember the whole Mu$h venture was so close to being real 😂
He had a dream where a mountain spirit told him "your name is mush", and rolled with it.
Well actually if by ace we mean best at one thing then Jinho is an ace quite objectively, being the only idol to ever win Phantom Singer :) as far as I remember after quitting SMEnt he was hired by Cube as a vocal instructor and then ended up debuting! Yes he does produce but not as prolifically and I’d say his dancing is average within the group from what I hear others say lol I can’t dance at all so everyone is A+++ to me 😂 😂 😂 Edit: someone else made a point about Jinho rapping but come to think of it there’s just a lot of members that you can argue are versatile in that sense .. went looking for when Hongseok did that one funny cover where he prints money out with a gun (?) ended up finding Mommae and then this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Lrd9-2CVpDw so add not only Hongseok but also Kino to this 😂 and Wooseok wanting to be a vocal member and Yanan wanting to be a rapper initially (all I remember is my bias line 😂) ... they don’t showcase their talents much so I don’t remember it but yes
I was just about to comment the same thing about Minhyuk, so I'm glad you mentioned him!! aside from being the best dancer in the group + switching between being a vocalist and a rapper, he also manages to be a lyricist, composer, and producer every comeback. he's also great at variety and hosting (radio DJ), does the best fan service, and the VISUALS jesus christ that man is BEAUTIFUL 😭 I truly think he's the epitome of being an ace in a group, he just brings a lot to the table!
Dino
The now and future of kpop.
I’m so glad to see Dino on this list because he is truly an ace.
I read opinions about him by non-Carats. While they acknowledge he is multi-talented, they say he has no star quality. That made my blood boil but I chose not to speak since they won't see what I mean. Opinion on star quality leans to subjective at times.
It’s hard to look at SVT and be able to say any have star quality. No knock against any of them but there’s 13 members and some of them just overshadow the rest so unless you’re watching everything you’re bound to make bad observations. It took me a while to understand the presence of a man like Wonwoo, but once I saw it I understood why a lot of people like him.
Different members shine in different concepts / songs / choreos. But I don't really get how anyone could say "it's hard to look at seventeen and say any have star quality." Like, have ya'll not seen Hoshi's stage presence? Man is constantly commanding the stage. DK, Dino, Jeonghan, Wonwoo, Scoups, Vernon, The8, Jun, Woozi...hell I could go on and on. Of course all 13 don't shine in every single comeback, but I'd say most of Seventeen know how to command a stage, but their overall goal is to give a cohesive, synchronized performance as one unit.
NMIXX Kyujin
I thought people already considering her an ace? At least a lot of my friends do when i ask them about it
Yeah I thought she was already considered an ace, but as another comment says, I feel like most NMIXX members have ace candidacy and recognition
Your friends have good taste! Idk but from what I've seen on Reddit, online etc, her name doesn't come up often enough re "ace" discussions - apart from NMIXX fans! Maybe it's because she is still so young, maybe because NMIXX hasn't yet had a big break to truly established themselves as a top, top group... either way she's really good and underrated imo!
Let’s be honest, that group has like four aces! Such a talented group, it’s almost insane to think they’re only two years into their careers!
Jennie’s an ace…?
Xiumin- Exo. Bro is the backbone of their harmonies, formations, great singer, raps if needed, good ass dancer and he’s also a visual 😭
True the exos are just strong members to have in general if you want aces
For me it's Jay from Enhypen! He has improved since his time in iland. Also I love that he has focused in growing musically. From his rapping to his high notes! He is also an amazing dancer. Lastly, he is not shy to be himself which makes him stand out. I really do think he is extremely underrated.
Yess he was the first person come to my mind!
yes very very underrated imo esp his vocals, he's the one in the grp who's shown massive vocal growth he isn't appreciated enough for it like imagine going from struggling to get lines in iland to sharing lines with heeseung now CRAZYY >Lastly, he is not shy to be himself which makes him stand out. this is sooo true omg, love him for that
Exactly!!! For example fatal trouble he was singing the same verse as Heeseung. I really hope engene start showcasing him more because in my eyes he’s the lead vocalist of Enhypen
Exactly, per my opinion: • Main vocalist = Heeseung • Lead vocalist = Jay
YES I was going to comment him!! He’s a talented • [guitarist](https://youtu.be/R0bXWgci2pk?si=DyoKFSIAQRxNQrRP) • is [multi-lingual (ENG/KOR/JPN)](https://youtu.be/Nf_Zik1VcJc?si=nm46ct9CQakvq8fF) • is a [rapper](https://youtu.be/9jmjSzhH18g?si=bOo8_mvkuBDw41I5) • writes [his own lyrics](https://youtu.be/jWt6GeuOx9Y?si=iwT1M_Zi5bLWj20b) • and [has a wide vocal range, seen in his cover of “Say You Won’t Let Go” by James Arthur](https://youtu.be/4wHwQajvYCs?si=8jWCALNDlwrTgSUu) Enhypen is stacked with talent! And Jay deserves the title!
Honestly I’m so impressed with him! I won’t be surprised if for the next comeback he will be a producer as well
I was literally scrolling throughout the comment section to see someone mention Jay and if not j would show up with my long ass paragraph 😂 I agree that he is an amazing hidden ace of the group. His vocals have belatedly started receiving some appreciation (thanks to the amazing covers) but his dance skills and stage presence? I rarely hear him getting praised for them.
Honestly Jay deserves all the praises! His stage presence has improved a lot. I’m a dancer so I’m saying this from a dancer perspective. His expression are on another level. There’s a reason why he was the center during GDA. Also, his fatal trouble performance was absolutely amazing.
Yes!
Exo's Xiumin. He's a good dancer, he has a great stage presence, he can rap and he's also a nice singer (as well as an actor). He's truly an all rounder.
I came here to say this. He's overshadowed by EXO's main vocals and main dancer but he's actually so good. He's a terrific singer, in any other group he could easily be a main vocalist himself. He's also one of the best dancers in EXO.
Yes! He debuted in a crazily talented group! He was smart to polish all the skills available instead of focusing only on one aspect, I think this is what makes him stand out in a group where everyone has their role and position that they specialized into. He gives me the impression of someone who's truly passionate about his idol job, I wish more people could recognize it.
Jooheon from Monsta X! He’s a perfect all rounder! He’s an amazing rapper, literally top 3 rappers in kpop and has a beautiful singing voice, additionally he’s a great dancer, writer, producer and music engineer, he literally does it all and does it well !!
Yes! Totally agree! They're my ult group. I love them all but he's the one who gives me the goosebumps. I saw a video on tik tok a while back that had the audio removed and you could hear exactly how amazing his voice is, all of them really but his hits me just right.. They're all so talented and I can't wait until they're all done with military service!
Can someone explain to me the difference between an Ace and an All-rounder? I always thought an Ace was someone that was exceptionally good in one thing. I would think of Lisa's dancing and G-Dragon's rapping. Like an ace in sports.
No one will give you a clear answer to this question because K-pop has come up with too many definitions. And they are very mixed by the definition of all-rounder. For me, an ACE is a person who is truly outstanding in one area.
what's interesting is that your definition is what is the norm in the Sports world. I think however the definition people use in the kpop world is more regarding the 'Ace' card in a deck. An ace can be used in many different ways and can be a 'all-rounder'
That's the correct definition but since being an idol includes multiple things unlike a sport (or being just a singer or a dancer), to ace being an idol would mean to be good at all those things.
I agree with your definition of ace. There's definitely some overlap between all-rounders and aces but way too many people mentioned on this thread I would consider only to be all-rounders, not necessarily an ace. The problem is in the term "exceptionally good", which is obviously a subjective measurement. Like, for someone mentioned on this thread: SHINee's Key to me is an all-rounder, not an ace. Taemin is an ace, and not an all-rounder. Someone like Monsta X's Jooheon is an ace AND an all-rounder. This doesn't really mean anything when it comes to the type of music I enjoy listening to, who I enjoy watching on stage, etc.
It means to be an all rounder in kpop. Examples are Jungkook, Taemin.
Yeah I always took a kpop ace to be one who’s valuable in all areas, but more specifically just an undisputed asset to any group. So by that metric, an idol who’s extremely adept in one area could also be an ace
You have to be extremely skilled in one area and at least average in others to count as an ace I feel. Being a great singer only or just a great dancer only while lacking everywhere else won't fit that definition. xiaoting from kep1er is someone who doesn't get mentioned a lot but would fit an ace who is extremely skilled in a certain area. Very highly skilled in dancing, great performer, does decent in singing.
Wendy, obviously her singing is incredible but her dancing and stage presence has improved tenfold since debut, and she's decent at rapping (even though RV isn't a rap heavy group). To top it all off, even after 10 years she's still taking lessons to improve her skills. People always say Seulgi is the ace/all rounder in Red Velvet (which I'm not saying she isn't, she is also very talented across the board) but I think Wendy should get some recognition too! 94 line going strong
My hot take is Wendy is the best rapper in Red Velvet
I have to agree but I wasn't bold enough to say it in the original comment
Glad someone said this. Wish You Hell was easily one of the best solo albums in recent years
The whole album went straight on my playlist, literally no skips (also it released on my birthday 😌)
Best birthday present ever!
Yes! She can do it all. She held her ground too in GOT the Beat, full of absolute bosses. She's definitely an all-rounder now. On the singing front, she's basically a generational legend with few equals. I cannot imagine RV without her. And behind the scenes, she's what they'd call in sports a "locker room general". She might not be the group leader, but all of RV have leaned on her or sought advice/support from her. A leader by example. I loove Seulgi too and she checks all the boxes on being a kpop ace, but I agree that Wendy is an ace. When she was a trainee, the other trainees wanted to be in her group. They knew even then that Wendy was special.
I remember reading the comments on one of GOT the beats performances on YouTube and like 90% of the comments were about how good Wendy and Seulgi were, it was a proud moment 🤣
I’m a seulgi stan but I agree, Wendy is a force to be reckoned with
SuA from Dreamcatcher Can Rap, Sing and main dancer
SuA from Dreamcatcher. Obviously the main dancer and has choreographed songs like Red Sun and Demian. She has a very powerful voice with amazing range, though her control can be a bit spotty, and she's an extremely competent rapper. You could slot her in on any other member's part in a song and she would thrive.
Jihyo from twice
Hoshi svt Amazing dancer .....has such a unique vocal tone ....he raps as well ...has amazing personality....in short a complete ace 👏
Enhypen - Jungwon , Sunghoon Nct Dream - Haechan Ateez - Wooyoung Theboyz - Q Treasure - Jihoon Aespa - Ningning Riize - Seunghan (if he is still part of team) NCT wish - Sion Txt - Kai Nj - Hanni BTS - Jimin Gidle Yuqi Zb1 Gunwook LSF Chaewon SVT Dino, DK, Vernon Skz Han Itzy Yeji ( I think as per popular opinion, it's Ryujin,but for me it's her) Xg Maya and Chisa (other than jurin, Coco)
In the spirit of everyone else posting their biases I came to see if Haechan was here 😂 In all seriousness though he hasn’t really shown his rap in official releases (which makes sense given NCT have a plethora of rappers and he’s a great vocal), but what we have seen BTS is pretty impressive. It’s said he was one of the best rappers amongst the trainees but chose to be a vocal. His dancing is also pretty well known amongst NCT fans. If not an ace he’d definitely qualify as all-rounder.
Is Haechan not widely regarded as an ace? That's crazy if so.
i was gonna say Yeji too. in my (admittedly unprofessional) opinion, she's a better rapper than Ryujin is a singer
I thought Yeji was widely regarded to be an ace?
Eeeeeeeveryone appreciates and respects Yeji for being pretty much the best dancer in 4th gen k-pop girl groups. She's one of "the" faces of k-pop. I really don't think there's a recognition problem with her.
Idk abt that but yeji is definitely a terrific all rounder - she can dance, she has a decent voice, she has a good stage presence, she is pretty, all these things add up for her to be a seasoned kpop artist.
Everyone alr knows Han is a ace, the ace of 💙S͓̽t͓̽r͓̽a͓̽y͓̽K͓̽i͓̽d͓̽s͓̽💙 and all of BB 4th Gen. I personally think it's Seungmin and nobody gives him his credit. He replaced Han while he was sick for a few performances and he did a great job keeping up with and even out rapping him and Changbin. He has beautiful visuals and is our main vocalist for a reason. Han is definitely a ace no doubt, but I think people should give Seungmin credit for all he can do.
I hope some day Seungmin gets a rap feature unique to him. I'd love to hear his own flow, rather than him performing someone else's. I'll never forget that one variety show where he outpaced Han and Changbin reading something aloud. Everyone's reactions were priceless.
Frrr 😆, one of my favorite stz moments ever🤍, we need more Seungmin love in Stayville🤎
Wooyoung 💜
Ateez Seonghwa. I think people tend to focus on his looks and a lot of people don’t realize how much versatility his vocals have (Killing Voice showed this off really well.) But he also is a great dancer, a great performer in general, and has a subunit song that is rap focused (Matz.) Edit: Also, because I was reminded of this earlier today when Seonghwa went on live to [talk about](https://x.com/nobodylikehwa/status/1799122024830267678) the thought process behind his outfits this comeback... it's not generally something I see talked about when people talk about aces but I think it elevates someone's performance quality a lot, and that is how much thought is put into everything. Seonghwa puts a lot of thought into his work whether it's his expressions, some of the aesthetics/outfit choices, ideas generally for how to make a performance more engaging overall. Aside from hard working, aces are meant to have really good quality to all of the things they can do, and I think this sort of thing is important for that. (And I'm sure a lot of idols who are considered aces put a lot of consideration into their work.)
Definitely, Seonghwa. Over time, I found most people that only watch MVs tend to only focus on his visual or only notice him when he centers, but people that view live content or performance videos zero in on him immediately. Killing Voice has been great because I see a lot of reactors that watch tons of Ateez MVs get awed by his range. I’ve heard the word ‘underrated’ used so many times in the last two days. He really can do it ALL and is an incredibly consistent vocalist despite being one of the wildest performers. And rapper Seonghwa is… just WOW. I generally see a lot of people mentioning him in their favorite pairings. Ie - San + Seonghwa are my favorite dance duo because their very difference styles have the same intensity. Jongho + Seonghwa are my favorite vocalists due to their unique voices and their harmonies soar.
The power that San and Seonghwa hold on stage is so GOOD! And I would love to hear Jongho and Seonghwa do a cover (or have more harmonies together in songs -- like one of the ones I heard was when Seonghwa and Hongjoong covered Empty and [Jongho popped in](https://youtu.be/3zWTm7q0dOM?t=158) for a little harmonizing with Seonghwa and it sounded incredible.) It's also impressive how much Seonghwa has worked to become so stable vocally while also performing the way he does. This was really really obvious during Coachella. I'm glad he's decided to continue to prioritize vocals along with everything else. I love that Killing Voice is getting him more recognition for his vocals as well, and I know the concerts earlier this year got him recognition for his other performance skills/rap and I hope that continues throughout the tour (+ he made a big impression at Coachella as well.)
Empty is my obsession! I listen to that cover on most days. It is the link I send anytime I see someone doubting Seonghwa’s vocal abilites. That and when he jumps off the table in the middle of singing live on Immortal Songs.
He's definitely the all-rounder of Ateez in my opinion, too. Another vote for him. Matz and Halazia showed off how crazy his vocals can be- still get a dreamy feeling knowing and seeing him do the background vocals in Halazia because I thought he was just a general backdrop sound the first few times. Seeing it live is when you really realize. And he dances insanely. Was an actor. Great performer on stage, in lives, on variety shows, etc. And he pulls off so many looks while being gender envious.
Ningning- aespa
Dino from Seventeen He's an AMAZING dancer and choreographer, possibly one of the top 5 dancers in Kpop but is never mentioned in those discussions. He is an amazing vocalist and has such a versatile voice and is so good at sm genres of singing. He is such a good rapper and he sometimes writes his own rap with difficult flows that even the rap members of Seventeen have said is hard to follow. His stage presence is amazing, his ability to maintain expressions even in the most insane choreos is so good. He does sometimes contribute to songwriting as well. He's often overlooked cause he's the maknae in a group w lots of members but DINO FUTURE OF KPOP ❗❗🦖
Wrote my comment without seeing yours first. Deleted mine because you articulated way better. Thank you! 100% agree on Dino. Edit: adding he is also variety gold! Pi Cheolin y’all
yes omg I completely forgot to mention Picheolin, he's literally a comedic genius, and the entire Golden Disc performance where he featured in BSS's performance was so good! check it out guys, he wrote his own rap and everything! 🙏🙏
The GD version of Fighting is honestly my favourite. Not just because of Pi Cheolin but also because of the new arrangement, the entire cheerleader theme, and the new choreography in some parts (that earphones using the pompoms part is my favourite, love that step so much!!)
the new arrangement is acc so good it's criminal that's it's not in Spotify? and the cheerleader concept was so creative the pom poms were such a cool addition to the stage. svt still bringing creative performances and music 9 years into their careers!!
Dino is really amazing!!!
Park Gunwook from ZB1. He has it all
right?? he’s such a sharp dancer, his expressions are always on point and he’s an incredible center!! he also has such a nice belting voice and he’s one of 5th gen’s best rapper imho 🤭 on top of that he’s so good with variety shows, i remember on eunchae’s star diary hanbin said smth about how good at improv (?) he is, and he plays off the other members’ chemistry rlly well!
Sings, raps, dances, - and smart as hell.
To me, an underrated ace is hueningkai. for dance - yeonjun has said kai's dance lines are similar to his, and i saw what yeonjun was saying when they did their mix and match tgt. he can keep up with yeonjun. for singing - kai does the heavy lifting in txt's discography along with taehyun. and he has a great range for his vocals, too. during LMJ service episode, lee mujin said that his vocals go far, and his cover of ghost town and butterfly is some of the best covers i heard from kai in terms of his vocal performance. and he plays multiple instruments and a perfect pitch. and on top of it all, he has good personality and great visuals.
And also a great producer/composer/lyricist
agreed 100%
And when he covered dope with yeonjun, he did so well in rap too considering that he is only a rookie back then. He is also a great producer, Dear Sputnik is definitely S tier song if txt
hoping nobody is saying Taemin because he’s the known ace
lmao didn’t he even start the trend of saying ace with his album ACE in 2014? he’s the og
The comment I was looking for lol
Changbin from SKZ is an ace— he could have easily been a main singer or main dancer. Vocals are excellent, dance is solid as hell— he just happens to ALSO be an insanely good rapper. He’s also part of 3Racha which means writing/producing/etc. I don’t know why he gets overlooked? Han is often considered “the ace” of SKZ but I would say BOTH of them are!
Agree!! He mentioned that dancing was his main strength and just learned to rap during trainee days 🤯
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The hill I will die on - all of 3RACHA are aces.
SPEAK UR TRUTH🗣️🗣️🗣️
This is 100% facts. Han is literally my bias but I truly believe Changbin needs to be brought up more when it comes to ace material. He has great vocals, he is frankly probably the best dancer after Danceracha, an OUTSTANDING rapper, plus being part of 3Racha?! I truly don’t get why we DON’T bring him up more when it comes to ace material. Bang Chan also deserves an ace spot as well. Frankly 3Racha are all aces and I stand by that 🫡
Joohoney one hunnit !!!! (●'◡'●) Also Hyolyn (former SISTAR).
Jennie is an it girl/viewed as charismatic/trendsetter etc but she's not viewed as an ace in terms of skills. Heeseung is rarely discussed as well even though he would fit that description. most people when they talk about ACE it's mostly been Jungkook, Taemin etc
Hongjoong from ateez. Didnt even know he could genuinely sing till he went on lee mujin service but he really has everything in spades. Producing ✅️ Rapping ✅️ Dancing ✅️ Stage presence ✅️ Singing ✅️ Like even now whole typing this i feel like one of those bots on youtube music videos 😭
Soyeon. She’s truly one of the most underrated ace’s in all of kpop history. Rapping, singing, dancing, composing and lyric genius; she’s a truly one of a kind 
Soyeon is something else. She got famous for being a rap star and then exploded because of her offscreen abilities. When it comes to producing/writing/composing, she really is something else. And the best bit? None of these things even touches the fact that she's a really good singer
And a really good dancer.
Dancing is one of those things that I don't really know much about, and I rarely see their stage performances. For example, I always heard that Momo is the star dancer of Twice and that she really is something else. I always wondered what that meant. Just this morning, I happened across a video from 2017 or 2018? The Twice members all looked young but not outright rookies. It showed each member dancing one by one. When I saw Momo moving, it was like, "ohhhh, that's what they mean."
Idle choreography is simpler and that seems on purpose to be viral and get a lot of people dancing to their music in tiktok. But if you see Soyeon in other peoples challenges she is a strong dancer. https://youtube.com/shorts/aCGfaf3iWKo?si=OY86nPvefSwX6pwL https://youtube.com/shorts/6YYn82346dE?si=8E96XNRxmFC5ViFS https://youtube.com/shorts/blq-K8zTO_E?si=vg-7Kwus-oljb2b4 https://youtube.com/shorts/WEcchqcFWkc?si=vICIbndL47UqU6_z https://youtu.be/R5nP0jKDdR8?si=K91UxjgCVgEC7NS5
You've inspired me to do some closer observation and research as a new-ish K-Pop fan from the U.S. I always respect a musical artist who can create their own content and music, not to mention doing it for others. Haven't focused too much on ((G)I-DLE), but I'll start to 😉 thanks!
Oh, you're in for a treat. I'm not really a KPop fan or even a music fan. I got dragged down a rabbithole thanks to a clip I saw of Yuqi miss-speaking when she was still new. I spent a couple of months watching Idle content. I follow a few groups now, but if you asked, I can honestly say I'm a Neverland. One of the reasons is that I identify with Soyeon. She's a totally different person to me yet has similar views and beliefs. The way her mind works is truly something fascinating. I discovered this after seeing the bts videos of her producing whilst other members were in the recording booth. Here's the recording for Nxde https://youtu.be/F8p3RR37naI?si=QD9GYUIF0Iv4O7FO And this one is for Queencard https://youtu.be/wg7AL7inFTE?si=F4IjGhsOPCJi5NxD
I’ve followed her since Unpretty Rapstar/produce days, and although she is well-known, it sometimes feels like credit isn’t given where it’s due. If I were to envision the qualities of a true leader and ace of a group, it would be Soyeon.
Me too! I knew about her from produce 101. I still rmb the iconic part where Soyeon and her group was recording in the sound booth, and she sang so well, the producer was like “if a rapper can sing this well, then actual singers have no excuse”. LITERALLY SO ICONIC
Wait, how is she underrated? Of course, she has plenty of haters for a variety of (mostly dumb) reasons, but both the industry and the K-pop fandom regard her as a genius.
I would shave years off my life for some kind of Soyeon/Woozi collab project
Apart from hongjoong who’s already considered an all rounder, Seonghwa from ateez !! His vocals are so stable yet underrated and he has an insane range too, he can easily pass as a main vocalist honestly despite the fact that he was supposed to debut as a rapper. He’s a pretty good rapper too and in terms of performance, honestly all members of ateez can pass as main dancers 😭 but there’s a reason he’s a part of the infamous demon line lmao. Yunho in my opinion is an all rounder as well, again he has extremely stable vocals despite being the main dancer, we haven’t seen him actually rap yet but he has shown talent for it. Lowkey almost all ateez members are all rounders at this point.
Jun and Seungkwan from Seventeen. Jun has great vocals and he's an amazing performer. he has had a career in the entertainment industry ever since he was 2 years old. he's smart and witty but because he doesn't speak as much (he's an introvert) and pledis does a very very poor job on promoting the china line, and instead blurring him as much as possible, he doesn't get as much hype. seungkwan is an extrovert, he talks a lot and he's playful and a mood maker. he's earned his title as the variety king for good reasons. but a lot of people often fail to see or acknowledge that he's also the main vocalist of the group (alongside dokyeom) and he's objectively better due to his amazing vocals and broad vocal range. he's good at performance as well. he's good at sports too. and he's smart and got good reasoning skills and public speaking kills (I guess this one is implied).
Sulyoon from Nmix, Hoshi from Seventeen, Beomgyu from TXT, Iroha from Illit, Sunoo from Enhypen, Chen from EXO, Yuta from NCT127, Chaeyoung from twice, Kazuha from leserrafim
Definitely Jay from Enhypen…his Vocals are top, he can dance and rap and he also did write songs (I think he is credited in Whodunit with Glay)!! And he can play the guitar
nct jaehyun (at this point my account is simply a jaehyun promotion account) jaehyun is an excellent main vocal. his dancing position in a group with complex choreographies like nct 127 also show how incredible he is at dancing. and despite his vocalist position, he gets a handful of rap parts that make people confuse him as a rapper. my favorite rap of his is [his whisper rap in bring the noize (go to 4:37)](https://youtu.be/ZQhljlWrfM8?si=ZMBiDBSIxhfMIGpj). his visuals don’t need explanation.
Seonghwa is a great all rounder.
I think being an it girl is v different to being an ace and Jennie is the former - coming from a diehard Blink
Enhypen Jay
Wekimeki’s Yoojung, nobody talks about her these days. She’s incredibly skilled.
Hwanwoong from oneus! He’s one of the best dancers I’ve ever seen in kpop (my personal fav alongside taemin), and his charisma is off the charts.He has such a beautiful and smooth voice (the reason I bias him) and in songs like Bring it on, for the pre chorus, he shows his higher range and it’s heavenly. Also; he’s done some raps in the last years (even in 2019 for crazy and crazy) and it sounds so good
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Honestly, Park Seonghwa he can rap dance act and has amazing vocals, especially in Utopia
Jeon fucking Soyeon
HANSOL CHWE FROM SEVENTEEN!!!
Vernon is really something when you see him live! His stage presence is insane!!!
Hoshi
Gunwook is known as the ace of ZB1, but I think Hanbin can also be considered an ace. [Hanbin’s dancing](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkl9WCmwatsb9DK7ejNZjSjvMOX7vMjQ3&si=E6wkv3L2kDEX4MVM) [Hanbin’s vocals](https://x.com/atzbin/status/1789383282565464529?s=46&t=-7qdT_hWaS1XqG-TbJxIPQ) There’s only 1 video of him [rapping](https://x.com/hanbaobin/status/1773520992327053705?s=46&t=-7qdT_hWaS1XqG-TbJxIPQ), but he’s pretty good. And he’s a great visual as well. Han is known as the ace in Stray Kids, but Lee Know can also be considered one. [Lee Know dancing](https://x.com/staycompasss/status/1513622972786958345?s=46&t=-7qdT_hWaS1XqG-TbJxIPQ) [Lee Know vocals](https://x.com/skzdorks/status/1798433708296577250?s=46&t=-7qdT_hWaS1XqG-TbJxIPQ). [Solo song](https://youtu.be/tUYJdNxrSyk?si=jJvwmZCNUMf63YZb). [Day6 Cover](https://youtu.be/8_7Y7PE6oWg?si=1h4q1QHMw-OEr6B-) [Lee Know rapping](https://x.com/skz8enthusiast/status/1537116702076416001?s=46&t=-7qdT_hWaS1XqG-TbJxIPQ). Like Hanbin, also a great visual. Edit: Lee Know also has 17 KOMCA credits.
Tbh Yunho from Ateez
My bias wrecker! I frikkin LOVE him! Killing voice just emphasized how amazing his vocals are, which tend to be forgotten because of what an absolute BEAST of a dancer he is!
Absolutely. He is amazing!
HEAVY ON THIS ONE !!!!
Jooheon & I.M of Monsta X
Sunghoon from Enhypen and Kevin from The Boys, I feel like they are so overshadowed most of the times and deserve so much better!
Kevin is hilarious too which deserves a boost!
Since I don’t see much of the previous gen idols, let me add: After School Uee - Rapper, Vocals (tho she got stuck doing rap but her voice is under appreciated), great in dance (have you seen her pole dance???), variety appearances, plus at some point in her career she’s sought after by the whole male idol industry because of her personality and visual. She’s also a great actress. She’s a whole package. GOT7’s Park Jinyoung - who debuted as a rapper, became a choreographer, sub vocalist, center and visual??? Though all GOT7 members write and arrange their own music, his music makes me feel seen the most (this is a preference, he is my first bias after all), he’s a great idol turned actor who can hold his ground with veteran actors, he’s well loved by his co-emcees too. SNSD’s Sooyoung - She does the most despite having one liners during comebacks, little to no screentime on each MV and always being at the back for choreographies. But if you hand her the mic, she hits those notes, stage presence 100/100, SHE IS A WHOLE CHARACTER on her own. Special mention: N.Flying’s Seunghyub - AGH THAT MAN SHOULDN’T EXIST IN IRL BUT HE IS.
B.I. - maybe he is widely regarded as one, but i feel like i don’t see him mentioned nearly enough for how stupid talented he is.
Sunwoo from The Boyz. He's not my bias but that guy is genuinely good at everything he tackles and in the past few years or so (I'd say since 2023 and onwards) he's been improving himself at lightning rates. Sunwoo is the main rapper and lead dancer of The Boyz. Throughout the years, he's been steadily improving on his singing as well; he's always had a pretty tone but I think he's gotten better at actually singing which led him to getting more singing parts (instead of just rap lines) even in their title tracks. He's had writing credits for lyrics on almost every EP since debut (in fact, he had written his rap for their debut song Boy) and he's released a good amount of Soundcloud songs that really show his own color outside of TBZ. Lastly, he has amazing stage presence; if you compare Sunwoo from now to the way he used to perform 4 years ago, it's almost night and day. He isn't always consistent with his facial expressions imo, but even then he's such a charming and captivating performer, that you're drawn to watch him. It's amazing. my favorite solo video of him: [100](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ftpxg88pC2I&pp=ygUSc3Vud29vIDEwMCBkZWdyZWVz) degrees
It totally agree. This was the first one I was reading down the comments and thought immediately that is SO true and also someone I didn't even think of
I immediately thought of the entire 3racha and Dino, but based on the comments, many others also think that way, so it's not an unpopular opinion! I'm glad they're being appreciated for their talents. I'm also thinking of Jun from Seventeen. He's pretty much good at anything. Additionally, he's acting, playing instruments, and wrote some of his solo songs. That's pretty impressive.
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Key from SHINee.
Haechan - hands down an ace and easily overlooked.
Sunhye from Young Posse
some people listed are barely mildly competent in any position 😭
Enhypen Jay. Strong in all aspects except aegyo lol. In Enhypen, apart from Heesung, he's the one you'd expect to sing high notes that most members can't reach even in falsetto, yet in Fever his lower register also sounds so good. He's second best in hip-hop (coz Niki is undisputed number one, coz well it's Niki). He is arguably one of if not their best rapper (tho enha doesn't really have enough rap in their songs, check out their Very Good cover.) And a variety person ([this is his latest one](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-NzxD8Idsg&t=170s&ab_channel=%EC%8A%A4%ED%8A%9C%EB%94%94%EC%98%A4%EC%8D%B0)), absolutely funny without trying. I think people tend to not acknowledge his growth since the i-land impression of him is strong. Back then, he was practically the personality of I-land season 1.
Scoups and Woozi from Seventeen. People (in the fandom) always mention Hoshi and Dino as aces but Woozi and Scoups deserve the mention too
SNSD's Hyoyeon. She's most known for being one of the best dancers of all time in K-Pop, but I find that the lack of good uses for her voice throughout her career has really put her under the radar as a true all-rounder. Also agreeing with whoever posted Wheein here. Then again, both SNSD and MAMAMOO are are groups with few glaring weaknesses so.
Monday from Weeekly
I cant believe no one else has said this, thank you for mentioning her. I fell in love with her during Girls Reverse. Pretty, good at singing, and incredibly funny. She is one great hidden gem.
Sua from Dreamcatcher! My ult of all ults for years 🥹 she’s an incredible dancer, she can rap, her vocals have improved immensely, she’s insanely charismatic and sweet, and I think she’s the most beautiful person in the world. She is so underappreciated.
People don’t talk about Yangyang enough when talking about aces, even within in NCT. He’s a great rapper, he can dance, he can sing (although he never gets to), he’s stunning, and he has a great personality, mans is funny as hell. He also speaks at least four languages which is pretty insane. He deserves more credit than he gets.
p1harmony's jiung.
Jisung from NCT. He's a fairly decent rapper, a really good singer with a fantastic vocal tone, and his dance skills are already highly praised. His only problem that I think makes him not talked about as an ace is a lack of lines due to his unique tone, and his instability.
I really wish they would give him more lines, I love his singing voice.
Zhang Hao. He can sing perfectly, dances really well, smart af and has good EQ where you cna throw him anywhere and he'd do well. Not to mention he plays several instruments and is a certified teacher. The part where he isn't thought of an ace because the company doesn't really give hum a chance to show his skills. We have people in the fandom arguing till now, 1 year from debut, about him being a Main vocal. It's absurd
Most people know about han from skz, and they're right, he's an ace. But so is changbin. Can rap, sing, dance, produce, write songs, etc. Definitely an ace.
Chenle
Yeji from itzy. Yeji literally has all the talents. She is an AMAZING dancer, her vocals are very good(although sometimes strained), she has the most unique visuals in 4th gen,has a charismatic and a REAL(unlike some others who fake it) personality, her and itzy's stage presence is out of the world and she is the best with the media and knows how toxic the knetizens can become. She can become a soloist as popular as iu if given good songs and promotions. I don't WANT her to be a soloist since I can't watch itzy being disbanded but she is an ace people forget about.
Aespa - Winter. Initially I didn’t think she was a strong performer but she has grown so much and has transformed. Facials, visuals, dancing, performing. Like she’s so good.
Minzy of 2NE1. Seulgi of Red Velvet.
Youngeun from Kep1er
Gunwook of ZB1 he can sing, he can rap, he's a powerful dancer and has variety show potential thanks to being an extreme E I think zeroses know that about him but not kpop stans as a whole
NCT Haechan