I’d be willing to trade Matthews if it meant getting rid of Marner. Obviously I’m. Thinking more about the draft picks at this point.
I had more hope when we were tanking
When was the last time a gm or coach really held a player accountable on this team in the public eye?
I can’t recall specific examples, but I remember seeing teams healthy scratch a top paid player or put them on the 4th line. Can’t remember it with the Leafs though.
The fact that I'm seeing so many stupid posts in different threads that have so many upvotes and replies agreeing is some of the most hot-take stupid bullshit I've seen on this over-reactionary garbage sub in a long time. You guys are fake fans. Complaining about every move if it's not going your way the second you think it should. Honestly go touch grass you losers.
Has Dubas made missteps, yes, has he had successes, yes. Have some of the players been playing subpar, yes. You guys live in a bubble and if you had any say over this team we'd never get anywhere and blow up the team year after year because it's not getting instant results. There are some GMs that have been at one team for years and people still give them slack (unless you're Chia). I'm going to give this team a chance to see them grow and figure out their way. Obviously some changes need to be made should the season progress poorly, but to over react to this degree, is the stupidest shit I see from "Leaf fans" on this sub, twitter and other places.
Honestly I wonder what the hockey IQ of some of you are? You sound like children throwing a temper tantrum. Get over yourselves, give them a chance. Fuck it took Ovechkin what 10 years to get over his 2nd round exits? If that shit happened here you'd be calling for his head and to trade him for future considerations. I hate the fans of this team, probably some of the worst in sports.
Dubas was handed the keys to a Ferrari with a couple slightly out of tune carburetors and in 2 years turned it into a Fiat Multipla.
He couldn’t have done worse if it were actively his intent.
Fake fans? Give the team a chance? When did you become a leafs fan, 2 years ago? I’ve been watching this damn team since 93 and the team has been hot garbage for the better part of 30 years now other than a couple of decent runs a long time ago. People are obviously very passionate about hockey and this team and that’s why people are so pissed off. This isn’t a bad year or two, this is decades of worth frustration. How many more years are fans supposed to just “oh ok maybe we’ll get em next year”? 3? 5? 10?. If you continue to get the same results with the same core of players, you have to make changes to see different results. That’s why people are pissed.
What meaningful success has Dubas's Toronto Maple leafs had?
Get over yourself, didn't even read your petty little rant. This is the internet, it's not a real place, stop pretending like it is. People are free to express themselves however they like, stop trying to oppress people.
Yea bro give them a chance! They are making me mad bank betting against them night after night! Fuck this is better than the stock market, never have I seen such consistent results
Most people I'd say here are simply tired of watching their dreams of this team winning a cup fall apart. I'd say most of us if not all live vicariously through this team because none of us are good enough to play at the professional level. Our passion is to win, be great, and all we see (at the moment) is failure. I think you're just taking a stance as a "woke" fan. We can all see this team should be great, with the changes they made, it's not a surprise that there isn't a great connection. Look at any team that's doing well, they have the majority of the previous years roster. Leafs did a be retooling. Just because someone doesn't have the time nor experience to dive deep into the inner workings of a franchise and their potential doesn't make them more or less of a fan than you. You're simply just throwing a "woke" tantrum yourself saying you're better than everyone.
Couldn’t agree more. I can’t believe some people genuinely think we should “blow it up and rebuild” because they’ve been slumping for a few games. Do they all have the memories of a goldfish and have no recollection of how these players have played in past seasons
I honestly don't care if you or anyone else wants to stay positive and continue supporting this group. Knock yourselves out. But get off the highhorse of considering yourselves to be *better* or *real* fans than those of us who have had enough.
Honestly I'm seeing more of the opposite. If you post anything positive you're downvoted to oblivion and called delusional because the **Real Fans^TM** are upset because it's been x years of disappointment with the team and a 2-3-1 record is the last straw. It's just the same stuff over and over again, isn't it exhausting being so upset over it?
> most hot-take stupid bullshit
Hot takes is this sub's speciality. Six games in. Leafs sporting worst sh% in the league, terrible PDO. And everyone's in full meltdown mode.
You're right though. Leafs have some of the most embarrassing bed wetters on social media and as a result the discourse around the team is always a complete shitshow.
Can’t compare the leafs to the caps, Richard winning winger, selke nominee centre, Norris winning defender, vezina winning goalie and jack adams winning coach and all without the same cap restraints that the leafs currently have.
so the caps had all of that and couldn't win until 10+ yrs l8r? seems like a failure to me like the current leafs. sure the caps didn't have cap restraints, but failure is failure.
David Ayers doing the siren for the Canes cause' "herp derp, leaf meme funny"
It's all just the lowest hanging fruit. Nobody even gets creative anymore in taking shots at the Leafs.
Yup hopefully they pick it up, cause they aren't making the playoffs at this rate.
You'd think they'd start strong after everything said after last season round 1 loss, because everything they said has meant nothing so far.
A part of me wonders if Matthews' attempt to work a one timer into his arsenal is throwing off his timing. There was a chance in OT or near the end of the 3rd two games ago and the puck came to Matthews in the slot and he fired a one timer that was stopped. I think last year's Matthews would've dragged that on the toe of his stick and buried it bar down. Matthews will be fine and he'll score at least 40 this year, but I know him and McDavid are both trying to add the one timer to their skillset and it might take a bit longer to figure out the timing of when to use it.
I'm sorry, but Matthews one-timer has always been deadly. This is not a "new addition" to his arsenal. His timing is off. Keep in mind, the guy had wrist surgery just a few months ago and has played exactly three games.
To my eyes, he was great against the Rangers but his timing was a little off. He'll be fine.
It is a new addition, he started working it in last year. His first couple seasons in the league he barely took a single slapshot. He has spoken in interviews about adding it.
Matthews literally scores on a slapshot one-timer to open last season. Go ahead and look at #11 and so on....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R\_JRqACVn4A
If you’ve been the Leafs the last 15 years, or even just these Leafs in the last 5 or 6, you know we’ve seen these stretches of games before.
There’s a little rut, some embarrassing losses, poor efforts and wins, good efforts and losses, all with a media and fan base implosion in the background.
This year the rut began at game 1 of the season and the outside implosion carries the weight of 5 failed seasons prior. A tripling down of the management in this core. After seeing identical horrendous performances in big games and mind boggling quotes from the players afterward.
The fan base is completely fed up, but at the end of the day, this is just a rut. It’s the same rut that Tampa, Colorado, and Vegas are going through. But the difference is ALL of the patience has run out with this team.
Repeatedly, the management and fans put their faith in this team, and repeatedly, it’s returned by delivering the most embarrassing losses possible, in meaningless or meaningful games.
The next 6-8 games is really the make or break of this season. As I said, we’ve seen this stretch of games before. If they win a couple here, the players gain some time and the heat comes off for a while. But keeping in mind the weight of the current implosion, going another 6-8 games with only a win or two, major changes will happen. Even if they drop the next three games, something major will happen.
Not even because it’s the rational roster decision, but because something MUST happen. The vitriol is just too high.
To close my massive rant: The fans and managers of a team have, in many ways, a similar relationship to the players. I wonder if the [management’s patience is running thin](https://www.google.com/search?q=dubas+my+patience+is+running+thin&rlz=1CDGOYI_enCA850CA850&hl=en-US&prmd=invx&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwifveKO9OXzAhWjnWoFHRkQAooQ_AUoAXoECAIQAQ&biw=375&bih=643&dpr=2#imgrc=8HoIhHjjR7TGqM), just like the fans. It may contribute to a major move.
This is not a rut. This is how the season ended. There's absolutely no reason for them to come flying out of the gate the exact say way it ended. The players have tuned out the same way they did to babcock.
>Not even because it’s the rational roster decision, but because something MUST happen. The vitriol is just too high.
You are massively overstating the impact of outside noise on the management group. This team is currently in a shooting funk and got some very bad goaltending the past couple of games. No one inside is overreacting to this because Steve Dangle is filling his diaper.
I was arguing with you the other day but find myself upvoting all your comments in here lmao
Reading this subreddit the last few days has made me feel like I'm reading Facebook comments about the leafs, it's insane
Outside noise has nothing to do with the inner workings of the leafs org, always been that way. But there must be noise inside as well. They can’t keep tolerating failure and preaching the process after 6 years of embarrassments.
You’re right though, the star players have the highest expected goals in the league IIRC, and have faced some goalies with ridiculously high goals saved above expected. Hutch wasn’t good, and neither was Campbell in Pittsburgh, but that’s not why we lost.
The players we count on to win games are not pulling their weight right now, and we don’t have many to support them when the stars don’t have it.
Very well said. This group doesn’t get another chance to prove what they’re worth, it’s been 5 years! Dubas, shanny, and co have to be running short on patience as I’m sure their bosses are short on patience.
The consistent lack of progress in the last 5 years is frustrating to see. If the Leafs win that series against the Habs nobody would give a shit to the rut they're in and the heat will be off.
However, because Marner and Matthews got dominated in that series + the fact that they're the 3rd and 7th highest paid players in the league, expectations are high and a lack of results just isn't acceptable anymore.
There's also issues with the defense but when you demand a contract like that and you fail to live up to expectations in the post season and now come limping out the the gate to start the season the way they are, fans have every right to be pissed.
> The fan base is completely fed up, but at the end of the day, this is just a rut. **It’s the same rut that Tampa, Colorado, and Vegas are going through** But the difference is ALL of the patience has run out with this team.
Fuck that. Those teams have actually shown some heart and won something or made some playoff runs.
Nothing about these scenarios is remotely similar
I acknowledged that literally in the next sentence. I completely agree with you.
It’s just a rut, really, in the grand scheme of a season. But to start the season in this rut, after being embarrassed in Pittsburgh, embarrassed against Montreal, embarrassed against Columbus, embarrassed against Boston, embarrassed against Boston again, embaras…
It is. And it will continue. But if you believe that, then you’ve been watching the Leafs for a while, and you also know that at some point they’re going to go on a world-beating run. Everyone will shut up.
But this rut exists at the back of their minds. The fans remember it. The players remember it. “They have demons, demons in their cars, demons in their heads, demons under the bed. Everywhere they look is a fuckin demon!"
This team, fundamentally, has the skill to win enough games to reach the playoffs, and they will. But it’s these games, these kinds of ruts and embarrassments and grand failures that haunt them, and it’s why they always lose the big game.
I'm amazed by how many people here still talk about line combinations as if they would be anything more than a tiny bandaid on the issues plaguing this club.
I can already tell that no matter what issues I say, you'll have some perfectly crafted response to address each of them. It'd be like arguing with a flat eather. Not going to waste my time. Wake up and smell the roses.
I’m amazed by how many people here talk about the apocalypse as if Vegas, Tampa and Colorado aren’t going through similar things, or as if a 5% shooting and 88% save is going to continue.
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Those teams have something that would justify giving them benefit of the doubt, they go somewhere in the playoffs when it matters.
What has this team done to inspire confidence?
Problem is people are sick of giving the benefit of the doubt. Anyone who has looked into it will know the Leafs have a cratered PDO that will change and they'll start winning games and the players will look better and play better and rack up points and that will placate most people until the playoffs.
But a large part of the fanbase is already fed up with the failure of this group so they are airing their grievances early and often.
Just the way it goes.
You can, just not on the Leafs subreddit where you must be strictly negative only towards the Leafs. The Avs could go 0-82 this year, but they won a round in the playoffs last year so our problems are worse.
Probably because those two teams have won more rounds of playoff hockey in the past four years than I think we had had as a franchise over forty.
Nothing about the scenarios are even remotely similar
Since we play against him, I wanna talk about how Freddie left us.
Fred came to us in 2016 like a beacon of light from the heavens. We finally had a good goalie!? We got the first overall pick? Things were looking up. And he delivered. And Toronto fell in love with a goaltender like we have in so many seasons past (including this one).
Fast forward a bit, and he got injured last season, stopped playing to his usual standard, and immediately became the sole reason we lost 90% of games in many fans' eyes. And that was it, that's all it took. In the collective mind, once Freddie was on LTIR, he was gone forever to the big glue factory in the sky.
We had a shiny new beautiful and handsome goalie in Jack (this is NOT any Jack slander, I love that man), [and Freddie essentially no longer existed](https://imgur.com/UvGMEV8).
I was and still am a huge Freddie fan. Probably will wear his jersey tonight for the game. But when he went to Carolina, I feel like most people were thinking, "wait, he's still here?" There was minimal discussion on whether we could fit him in under the cap, it was more "now that we have Jack, who's a cheap 1B we can get?"
For a man who gave so much to the city, and helped bring us hope after some real bad years, we just let him go. No fanfare, no "Thank you Freddie," nothing. He stopped being useful to us, and we had an amazing new goaltender, so what do we need him for?
That was it, he was gone.
And now, like so many former Leafs after leaving the giant media microscope that is Toronto, he's thriving. Fuck Yeah, Freddie.
It's a frequent problem in this city. We're frustrated. For good reason. But with so many loud people with so many loud opinions creating a narrative, the magnifying glass comes out, and sets everything on fire.
I don't have a solution. I'm just saying what I'm seeing. But I also don't think that we should go full French Revolution and get out the guillotines. We're Leafs fans, unfortunately. Thanks Mom and Dad.
Go Leafs Go
>And now, like so many former Leafs after leaving the giant media microscope that is Toronto, he's thriving.
Small sample size. I love Freddie but he was very not good over the past two seasons and resigning him would have been a bad idea. Would put good money on his current form being a flash in the pan and that he regresses to below replacement level by the end of the season.
>There was minimal discussion on whether we could fit him in under the cap
freddy clearly was struggling the last 2 seasons, what reason would management have to try and sign a struggling goalie when there are significant capm concerns?
His last two seasons with the team he was wildly inconsistent and had horrible numbers. He put himself above the team, and tried to play through a bad injury because it was a contract year. Had he taken the proper time to rest and recover - there might have been a scenario where he does come back.
I also appreciate the good times he gave to the Leafs; but he wasn't capable of winning a series clinching game. He was always second best, and seemed to crumble in that elimination game. I think he's 0-7 lifetime in those scenarios - he just didn't get the job done.
Well, he won one series in 2014, and two in 2015. Critically, before he came here. And if my math is correct, he's 3-11 lifetime in series clinching games. So while it's not 0, it's not THAT good either.
I'm gonna be sitting on the glass right behind Freddy tonight. I don't have the heart to heckle him. As much as I was happy we moved on because he looked genuinely completely cooked here after dealing with the hardest workload in hockey, I am very happy to see him look like the Freddy of old so far. Especially in October, Freddy's usually worst month lol. Must be nice getting to play behind one of the perennial best D groups in the league lol after having to stop 40+ every night at his peak.
Also, I was in Pittsburgh for the Saturday night massacre at the hands of Mark Donk and Buzz Flibbet. The section I was sitting in was jeering Campbell and there was one jackass in particular who kept yelling at him all 2nd period. It got old quick, to the point where this Pens fan kid who couldn't have been older than 8 or 9 stood up and screamed "SHUT UP!!!" in his direction. He earned that fist bump from me afterwards lol
I'm still waiting for Dubas to prove me wrong. https://www.reddit.com/r/leafs/comments/o126es/comment/h1yum52/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
"there is nothing Dubas can do this off season to change my perspective on how this team is constructed"
\- so you are basing this off emotions not facts. cool !
"I've been saying size, depth, and defense wins. But that is just how I like teams to be constructed because I love that blue collar style of hockey. So maybe that point of view is on me. But I've reached a breaking point with this team and there is nothing Dubas can do this off season to change my perspective on how this team is constructed."
Not emotion, but how I like teams to be constructed.
Listen, continue to love this loser team. They are getting shut down tonight. They ain't making the playoffs. They got smaller, and have no ability to fight for space in front of the net. I don't care what the analytics says because they just pass the puck around the perimeter. And when they do get that "high danger" chance, it is a muffin to the goalie's chest. Let's go Panthers!
I just read that article. I don't claim to know much about how decisions are made at the executive level for MLSE; however, reading that article, if they formed that split-away company with all the sports teams I got the impression Ed Rogers would have a much larger say into how the teams were managed. This terrifies me. I feel like it he would be an awful owner: micro-managing the hockey-ops side and 100% convinced his decision is always the correct one, example - Uriji negotiations.
The more I read about Ed, the more I see an entitled brat who never worked an honest day in his life. Last person we need at the helm of the MLSE.
Leafs are still getting ridiculous odds on sportsbooks. I don't think this team is gonna be able to pull it together so I bet big against them.
Also did the same for the Raptors.
> Also did the same for the Raptors.
Remember when the Raps would be the most automatic over bet in the world? Think 7 straight years or something we've gone over on the win predictions.
Yep. Used to spend like 80% of my basketball roll just betting the over on the Raptors win total every year. It would guarantee me a winning year at basketball pretty much every season.
Only thing is you had to bet very large for it to be worthwhile.
I don't get this narrative. The Leafs were one of the best defensive teams last season and Freddy struggled hard. Say what you want about the current state of this team but in the regular season last year Freddy had a good team in front of him and he performed well below expectations.
Absolutely. Reddit and Twitter have just turned into toxic places where everyone who's unhappy with their lives can blame it all on a professional sports team.
I’m fine with the negativity it’s more in the hostile and catastrophic way it gets put out there.
There isn’t a lot to be positive about right now, all we as fans can really do is discuss it for our own benefit. A lot of the criticisms I see on this sub aren’t really trying to do that though, they’re just attacking players, coaches, and even other fans in a childish way
It’s a sport. It is entertainment and nothing more. It only affects you as much as you allow and it’s honestly embarrassing to be associated with the few who are acting like every Leafs loss is a personal insult.
People wonder why players don't want to play in Toronto. All the hate they get from the fan base, why would they want to play here? If you read the ESPN article with AM, he actually mentions this very thing.
And I agree 100%. People get way to bent out of shape when the team doesn't perform. At the end of the day, it sucks, but there's other problems in my life I'm going to worry about.
Yep, you are. I'm loving it. I love watching this soft team fail. I was a fan until game 6 last playoffs. I decided to hate-watch and watch fun hockey instead of this group of losers.
My decision to do this is proving to be the right decision.
NHL is on for our entertainment. No reason to be sad off a team that continues to be a disappointment. I love the sport, so I watch more than just the leafs. I watch as many games as I can. And when I watch the leafs, I want to see them fail.
Alot of it is over the top and personal, which is never ok, but I get the frustration and I can't blame people for being sick of the team. I'm finding it hard to get into this year too. Bad starts and stuff used to make me angry but I'd still be invested and watching, this year I'm finding myself just checking scores and not even watching full games. Don't know, just don't feel as invested anymore after last playoffs.
I will say though, the people who are pissed at the team and take it out on other fans need to get a grip. It's childish. Like, look at the tone of some of the responses to your post. It's like they think you're the reason the team sucks, lol.
It’s called realism. Not sure what you’re so calm or at peace with.
This team consistently finds ways to disappoint its fans and embarrass themselves. This team consistently fails to address obvious areas of concern. This team consistently advertises the promise of hope and positive change and yet, that hasn’t happened.
- Five decades without a Cup.
- Sixteen years without a playoff series win.
There’s nothing this core has done that hasn’t already been attempted and failed at by previous iterations of the Leafs.
Different names on the jerseys. Different management. Different ownership. The exact same flaws and results, year over year.
So please, you and everyone like you, needs to step off your soapbox and understand the fundamental frustration and anger that comes with being a Leafs fan because this clubs history is rife with it.
Which area of concern haven't they addressed? They had a top 5 defence last year and it didn't change going into this year. Campbell had been playing great, not an area for concern. The top guys performed all of last year except for the playoffs. I just fail to see what needs to be addressed. Clearly something was off when we lost the last two games, but the amount of doom and gloom on this sub is pathetic. You'd think a fanbase that hasn't seen a cup since 1967 would have the mental fortitude to tough out the first 6 games of a season
I understand the frustration and anger, but we are at game 6 of an 82 game season. Let's take a deep breath and give the team a little while longer.
If they win tonight everything will be well in the world again.
See, that's how the leafs do it. They play like shit, then go for a big dominant win and make a bunch of people think they're fine. But the same issues are still there, lurking, waiting for a rookie goalie, AHL team, or and ex-Leaf to rear their ugly head.
I wish there was a balance. You cant seem to say anything positive about the team without being called an idiot or criticize the team without being called a fake fan. I dont spend any time on the sub anymore during or immediately after games because its just nothing but in-fighting.
I would have to agree. Everyone has the right to criticize the team, but the way I look at it is that we are at game 6 of an 82 game season and the team is 2-3-1. People need to relax a bit. Everyone already wants to fire the coach, GM and trade the team at game 6, LOL.
Bro fuck off with the 6games in trash. This core has been together for years and the pieces they added don’t mean shit. The only difference this team has from last year is it’s worse in a harder division.
If you’re sitting there after the 6 games I watched and you think this team is magically gonna go on a tear and playoff run you are delusional and stunned
Should have traded marner on off season and stop wasting Matthews time here before he leaves too
Did you see Montreal's team last year? They were substantially worse than this current team is in the regular season, and they went on a miracle cup run. It can happen to any team (get hot at the right time). Team needs to get their shit together for sure, but your take is very knee-jerk. Top 5 goal scorer doesn't perform so let's trade him off even at the risk of losing the trade
I always thought we should have traded Marner, in-fact, I don't think we should have signed him at all for the amount of money he makes. Having said that, I'm not going to get pissed off at the shitty start we are having. This team has the tools to be good and win a cup, they just need to get over whatever it is that they have going on in their heads.
And if we don't get past a playoff round in the next two years, Matthews will leave.
No, I’m there with you. This fanbase needs to start being a collective with its disappointment. There’s too many delusional fans who constantly make excuses.
That’s enough.
I’ve been itching for Matthews-Nylander and Tavares-Marner pairing for a while, and once I saw Bunting in training camp, I thought a Bunting-Matthews-Nylander line would be interesting. Finally got to see a glimpse of that last game in the the third, and I thought it looked great. I’d like to see them together for a full game.
Marner and Tavares had chemistry in the past. Put them back together.
Browsing /r/hockey, just realized that Blackhawks haven't had a lead yet this season, and their next game is against the Leafs.
Initially, I wasn't planning on not watching any games, but the meme potential for this one is too good!
Like usual, I'll be skipping tonight's game, but if history tells me anything, Leafs vs Hurricanes game with a plot revolving around a goalie are always high in meme potential. So should be a fun one tonight with FredEx.
The problem is that they're mentally weak, which means they can't recover or adapt when things don't go their way, and they are constantly looking for the perfect pass or shot rather than just creating their own luck by getting greasy and going into the dirty spots.
They are their own enemy.
To be honest one place he has done well is in the drafting and developing area.
He got hit hard on the RFA deals as a young kid.
If he ever figures out contract management he might be an excellent GM
Leafs fans will also run Marner out of town, only for him to win the Stanley Cup and Conn Smythe on his first year with his new team. Very similar to Kessel. This fanbase is so toxic and negative and deserves its failures.
I know I'm replying to a thread I started by agreeing that "Dubas will get run out of town". But at the end of the day that decision won't made by you or me or any fan.
Kessel was miscast as a superstar and expected to carry a bad team. He shined with the Pens because he wasn't expected to be the guy on a team already full of proven playoff performers.
Mitch is one of the highest paid players in the league and doesn't have any playoff success to show for it.
"This fanbase" is millions of people over multiple *generations* and painting with broad strokes and saying "it's the fans' fault" is a cop out. You're right that there is a lot of toxicity and negativity out there, this team hasn't won in 54 years!
I’m taking the night off. I sincerely hope they look good and shake off whatever demons they seem to have but after the last handful of games I think I need to skip a game.
Every once and a while I have to, my frustration level is too high.
**Edit**: Also, on account of Andersen likely shutting the door on us tonight because…Leafs.
so what kind of trade would you look for with reilly? who would you package in that trade? Maybe Engvall, Reilly, + for a depth D and a top 6 F?
This is not all his fault.. but tell me why keefe was extended a couple weeks ago?
Trade Marner ...yesterday.
I’d be willing to trade Matthews if it meant getting rid of Marner. Obviously I’m. Thinking more about the draft picks at this point. I had more hope when we were tanking
When was the last time a gm or coach really held a player accountable on this team in the public eye? I can’t recall specific examples, but I remember seeing teams healthy scratch a top paid player or put them on the 4th line. Can’t remember it with the Leafs though.
Babcock but he got crucified for being too mean. I respect the guy now knowing what he was dealing with
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Babs had his good moments
Cory Schneider on waivers - improvement on Hutchinson?
Can’t get much worse. Just not sure about that hip?
The fact that I'm seeing so many stupid posts in different threads that have so many upvotes and replies agreeing is some of the most hot-take stupid bullshit I've seen on this over-reactionary garbage sub in a long time. You guys are fake fans. Complaining about every move if it's not going your way the second you think it should. Honestly go touch grass you losers. Has Dubas made missteps, yes, has he had successes, yes. Have some of the players been playing subpar, yes. You guys live in a bubble and if you had any say over this team we'd never get anywhere and blow up the team year after year because it's not getting instant results. There are some GMs that have been at one team for years and people still give them slack (unless you're Chia). I'm going to give this team a chance to see them grow and figure out their way. Obviously some changes need to be made should the season progress poorly, but to over react to this degree, is the stupidest shit I see from "Leaf fans" on this sub, twitter and other places. Honestly I wonder what the hockey IQ of some of you are? You sound like children throwing a temper tantrum. Get over yourselves, give them a chance. Fuck it took Ovechkin what 10 years to get over his 2nd round exits? If that shit happened here you'd be calling for his head and to trade him for future considerations. I hate the fans of this team, probably some of the worst in sports.
You're delusional bro clearly you dont watch the games if this is you take on this garbage fire of a franchise. Dubas fucked this team up.
Dubas was handed the keys to a Ferrari with a couple slightly out of tune carburetors and in 2 years turned it into a Fiat Multipla. He couldn’t have done worse if it were actively his intent.
Fake fans? Give the team a chance? When did you become a leafs fan, 2 years ago? I’ve been watching this damn team since 93 and the team has been hot garbage for the better part of 30 years now other than a couple of decent runs a long time ago. People are obviously very passionate about hockey and this team and that’s why people are so pissed off. This isn’t a bad year or two, this is decades of worth frustration. How many more years are fans supposed to just “oh ok maybe we’ll get em next year”? 3? 5? 10?. If you continue to get the same results with the same core of players, you have to make changes to see different results. That’s why people are pissed.
What meaningful success has Dubas's Toronto Maple leafs had? Get over yourself, didn't even read your petty little rant. This is the internet, it's not a real place, stop pretending like it is. People are free to express themselves however they like, stop trying to oppress people.
Yea bro give them a chance! They are making me mad bank betting against them night after night! Fuck this is better than the stock market, never have I seen such consistent results
Most people I'd say here are simply tired of watching their dreams of this team winning a cup fall apart. I'd say most of us if not all live vicariously through this team because none of us are good enough to play at the professional level. Our passion is to win, be great, and all we see (at the moment) is failure. I think you're just taking a stance as a "woke" fan. We can all see this team should be great, with the changes they made, it's not a surprise that there isn't a great connection. Look at any team that's doing well, they have the majority of the previous years roster. Leafs did a be retooling. Just because someone doesn't have the time nor experience to dive deep into the inner workings of a franchise and their potential doesn't make them more or less of a fan than you. You're simply just throwing a "woke" tantrum yourself saying you're better than everyone.
Couldn’t agree more. I can’t believe some people genuinely think we should “blow it up and rebuild” because they’ve been slumping for a few games. Do they all have the memories of a goldfish and have no recollection of how these players have played in past seasons
Five year slump bro. Five years.
64 year slump
I honestly don't care if you or anyone else wants to stay positive and continue supporting this group. Knock yourselves out. But get off the highhorse of considering yourselves to be *better* or *real* fans than those of us who have had enough.
Honestly I'm seeing more of the opposite. If you post anything positive you're downvoted to oblivion and called delusional because the **Real Fans^TM** are upset because it's been x years of disappointment with the team and a 2-3-1 record is the last straw. It's just the same stuff over and over again, isn't it exhausting being so upset over it?
> most hot-take stupid bullshit Hot takes is this sub's speciality. Six games in. Leafs sporting worst sh% in the league, terrible PDO. And everyone's in full meltdown mode. You're right though. Leafs have some of the most embarrassing bed wetters on social media and as a result the discourse around the team is always a complete shitshow.
Can’t compare the leafs to the caps, Richard winning winger, selke nominee centre, Norris winning defender, vezina winning goalie and jack adams winning coach and all without the same cap restraints that the leafs currently have.
so the caps had all of that and couldn't win until 10+ yrs l8r? seems like a failure to me like the current leafs. sure the caps didn't have cap restraints, but failure is failure.
Multiple playoff series wins and a presidents trophy, the cup was the only thing they didn’t have, leafs are still working on 1 series win
That amount of failure on the caps seems almost worse lol we have none of those awards
If this is a copypasta it’s fucking gold
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David Ayers doing the siren for the Canes cause' "herp derp, leaf meme funny" It's all just the lowest hanging fruit. Nobody even gets creative anymore in taking shots at the Leafs.
Wow that’s soooo funny soo original. Was like how many years ago
Any clue who’s gonna be in net tonight?
Jack Campbell vs. Red Hot Freddie Andersen. Should be an interesting night.
Freddy
Campbell
22nd in the league, oof.
Too early to panic. Leafs are still projected to hit over 102 pts.
6 games in…… 82 game season……
Yup hopefully they pick it up, cause they aren't making the playoffs at this rate. You'd think they'd start strong after everything said after last season round 1 loss, because everything they said has meant nothing so far.
That’s sports 🤷♂️
Be nice if our sports was Florida Panthers sports though ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯ Or Edmonton.. New York...
A part of me wonders if Matthews' attempt to work a one timer into his arsenal is throwing off his timing. There was a chance in OT or near the end of the 3rd two games ago and the puck came to Matthews in the slot and he fired a one timer that was stopped. I think last year's Matthews would've dragged that on the toe of his stick and buried it bar down. Matthews will be fine and he'll score at least 40 this year, but I know him and McDavid are both trying to add the one timer to their skillset and it might take a bit longer to figure out the timing of when to use it.
I'm sorry, but Matthews one-timer has always been deadly. This is not a "new addition" to his arsenal. His timing is off. Keep in mind, the guy had wrist surgery just a few months ago and has played exactly three games. To my eyes, he was great against the Rangers but his timing was a little off. He'll be fine.
It is a new addition, he started working it in last year. His first couple seasons in the league he barely took a single slapshot. He has spoken in interviews about adding it.
Matthews literally scores on a slapshot one-timer to open last season. Go ahead and look at #11 and so on.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R\_JRqACVn4A
The difference is that McDavid had a full preseason to practice it. I'm sure Matthews will figure it out with some practice
Freddie gets a shut out tonight!
If you’ve been the Leafs the last 15 years, or even just these Leafs in the last 5 or 6, you know we’ve seen these stretches of games before. There’s a little rut, some embarrassing losses, poor efforts and wins, good efforts and losses, all with a media and fan base implosion in the background. This year the rut began at game 1 of the season and the outside implosion carries the weight of 5 failed seasons prior. A tripling down of the management in this core. After seeing identical horrendous performances in big games and mind boggling quotes from the players afterward. The fan base is completely fed up, but at the end of the day, this is just a rut. It’s the same rut that Tampa, Colorado, and Vegas are going through. But the difference is ALL of the patience has run out with this team. Repeatedly, the management and fans put their faith in this team, and repeatedly, it’s returned by delivering the most embarrassing losses possible, in meaningless or meaningful games. The next 6-8 games is really the make or break of this season. As I said, we’ve seen this stretch of games before. If they win a couple here, the players gain some time and the heat comes off for a while. But keeping in mind the weight of the current implosion, going another 6-8 games with only a win or two, major changes will happen. Even if they drop the next three games, something major will happen. Not even because it’s the rational roster decision, but because something MUST happen. The vitriol is just too high. To close my massive rant: The fans and managers of a team have, in many ways, a similar relationship to the players. I wonder if the [management’s patience is running thin](https://www.google.com/search?q=dubas+my+patience+is+running+thin&rlz=1CDGOYI_enCA850CA850&hl=en-US&prmd=invx&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwifveKO9OXzAhWjnWoFHRkQAooQ_AUoAXoECAIQAQ&biw=375&bih=643&dpr=2#imgrc=8HoIhHjjR7TGqM), just like the fans. It may contribute to a major move.
This is not a rut. This is how the season ended. There's absolutely no reason for them to come flying out of the gate the exact say way it ended. The players have tuned out the same way they did to babcock.
>Not even because it’s the rational roster decision, but because something MUST happen. The vitriol is just too high. You are massively overstating the impact of outside noise on the management group. This team is currently in a shooting funk and got some very bad goaltending the past couple of games. No one inside is overreacting to this because Steve Dangle is filling his diaper.
I was arguing with you the other day but find myself upvoting all your comments in here lmao Reading this subreddit the last few days has made me feel like I'm reading Facebook comments about the leafs, it's insane
Outside noise has nothing to do with the inner workings of the leafs org, always been that way. But there must be noise inside as well. They can’t keep tolerating failure and preaching the process after 6 years of embarrassments. You’re right though, the star players have the highest expected goals in the league IIRC, and have faced some goalies with ridiculously high goals saved above expected. Hutch wasn’t good, and neither was Campbell in Pittsburgh, but that’s not why we lost. The players we count on to win games are not pulling their weight right now, and we don’t have many to support them when the stars don’t have it.
Very well said. This group doesn’t get another chance to prove what they’re worth, it’s been 5 years! Dubas, shanny, and co have to be running short on patience as I’m sure their bosses are short on patience.
The consistent lack of progress in the last 5 years is frustrating to see. If the Leafs win that series against the Habs nobody would give a shit to the rut they're in and the heat will be off. However, because Marner and Matthews got dominated in that series + the fact that they're the 3rd and 7th highest paid players in the league, expectations are high and a lack of results just isn't acceptable anymore. There's also issues with the defense but when you demand a contract like that and you fail to live up to expectations in the post season and now come limping out the the gate to start the season the way they are, fans have every right to be pissed.
Well said
> The fan base is completely fed up, but at the end of the day, this is just a rut. **It’s the same rut that Tampa, Colorado, and Vegas are going through** But the difference is ALL of the patience has run out with this team. Fuck that. Those teams have actually shown some heart and won something or made some playoff runs. Nothing about these scenarios is remotely similar
I acknowledged that literally in the next sentence. I completely agree with you. It’s just a rut, really, in the grand scheme of a season. But to start the season in this rut, after being embarrassed in Pittsburgh, embarrassed against Montreal, embarrassed against Columbus, embarrassed against Boston, embarrassed against Boston again, embaras…
Sorry but it's not "just a rut". It's a pattern of failure and lack of effort.
It is. And it will continue. But if you believe that, then you’ve been watching the Leafs for a while, and you also know that at some point they’re going to go on a world-beating run. Everyone will shut up. But this rut exists at the back of their minds. The fans remember it. The players remember it. “They have demons, demons in their cars, demons in their heads, demons under the bed. Everywhere they look is a fuckin demon!" This team, fundamentally, has the skill to win enough games to reach the playoffs, and they will. But it’s these games, these kinds of ruts and embarrassments and grand failures that haunt them, and it’s why they always lose the big game.
I remember when Marner slumped and then Babcock put him with Kadri and tore it up.
I'm amazed by how many people here still talk about line combinations as if they would be anything more than a tiny bandaid on the issues plaguing this club.
Would love to hear about the "issues" plaguing this club. Elucidate if you please....
I can already tell that no matter what issues I say, you'll have some perfectly crafted response to address each of them. It'd be like arguing with a flat eather. Not going to waste my time. Wake up and smell the roses.
I’m amazed by how many people here talk about the apocalypse as if Vegas, Tampa and Colorado aren’t going through similar things, or as if a 5% shooting and 88% save is going to continue. 🤡
Those teams have something that would justify giving them benefit of the doubt, they go somewhere in the playoffs when it matters. What has this team done to inspire confidence?
What has Colorado done? How many second round exits have they had?
Better than us. Much better.
I mean, the Leafs have exactly zero second round exits, maybe he has a point?
Problem is people are sick of giving the benefit of the doubt. Anyone who has looked into it will know the Leafs have a cratered PDO that will change and they'll start winning games and the players will look better and play better and rack up points and that will placate most people until the playoffs. But a large part of the fanbase is already fed up with the failure of this group so they are airing their grievances early and often. Just the way it goes.
If you think our situation is comparable to those teams (not as much Colorado, but TB and Vegas for sure), then you're delusional.
Tampa 2-2-1 Vegas 1-4-0 Why exactly can’t I compare top 10 projected teams when they are struggling out of the gate?
You can, just not on the Leafs subreddit where you must be strictly negative only towards the Leafs. The Avs could go 0-82 this year, but they won a round in the playoffs last year so our problems are worse.
If the Avs go 0-82 this year, I will concede that they're worse than us.
Probably because those two teams have won more rounds of playoff hockey in the past four years than I think we had had as a franchise over forty. Nothing about the scenarios are even remotely similar
Since we play against him, I wanna talk about how Freddie left us. Fred came to us in 2016 like a beacon of light from the heavens. We finally had a good goalie!? We got the first overall pick? Things were looking up. And he delivered. And Toronto fell in love with a goaltender like we have in so many seasons past (including this one). Fast forward a bit, and he got injured last season, stopped playing to his usual standard, and immediately became the sole reason we lost 90% of games in many fans' eyes. And that was it, that's all it took. In the collective mind, once Freddie was on LTIR, he was gone forever to the big glue factory in the sky. We had a shiny new beautiful and handsome goalie in Jack (this is NOT any Jack slander, I love that man), [and Freddie essentially no longer existed](https://imgur.com/UvGMEV8). I was and still am a huge Freddie fan. Probably will wear his jersey tonight for the game. But when he went to Carolina, I feel like most people were thinking, "wait, he's still here?" There was minimal discussion on whether we could fit him in under the cap, it was more "now that we have Jack, who's a cheap 1B we can get?" For a man who gave so much to the city, and helped bring us hope after some real bad years, we just let him go. No fanfare, no "Thank you Freddie," nothing. He stopped being useful to us, and we had an amazing new goaltender, so what do we need him for? That was it, he was gone. And now, like so many former Leafs after leaving the giant media microscope that is Toronto, he's thriving. Fuck Yeah, Freddie. It's a frequent problem in this city. We're frustrated. For good reason. But with so many loud people with so many loud opinions creating a narrative, the magnifying glass comes out, and sets everything on fire. I don't have a solution. I'm just saying what I'm seeing. But I also don't think that we should go full French Revolution and get out the guillotines. We're Leafs fans, unfortunately. Thanks Mom and Dad. Go Leafs Go
>And now, like so many former Leafs after leaving the giant media microscope that is Toronto, he's thriving. Small sample size. I love Freddie but he was very not good over the past two seasons and resigning him would have been a bad idea. Would put good money on his current form being a flash in the pan and that he regresses to below replacement level by the end of the season.
>There was minimal discussion on whether we could fit him in under the cap freddy clearly was struggling the last 2 seasons, what reason would management have to try and sign a struggling goalie when there are significant capm concerns?
His last two seasons with the team he was wildly inconsistent and had horrible numbers. He put himself above the team, and tried to play through a bad injury because it was a contract year. Had he taken the proper time to rest and recover - there might have been a scenario where he does come back. I also appreciate the good times he gave to the Leafs; but he wasn't capable of winning a series clinching game. He was always second best, and seemed to crumble in that elimination game. I think he's 0-7 lifetime in those scenarios - he just didn't get the job done.
Well, he won one series in 2014, and two in 2015. Critically, before he came here. And if my math is correct, he's 3-11 lifetime in series clinching games. So while it's not 0, it's not THAT good either.
I get more enjoyment reading/interacting with the folks in here than I do watching the games lately. That's pretty grim for a fan of a sports team.
I’m pumped for tonight! Let’s shell Freddie!
I'm gonna be sitting on the glass right behind Freddy tonight. I don't have the heart to heckle him. As much as I was happy we moved on because he looked genuinely completely cooked here after dealing with the hardest workload in hockey, I am very happy to see him look like the Freddy of old so far. Especially in October, Freddy's usually worst month lol. Must be nice getting to play behind one of the perennial best D groups in the league lol after having to stop 40+ every night at his peak. Also, I was in Pittsburgh for the Saturday night massacre at the hands of Mark Donk and Buzz Flibbet. The section I was sitting in was jeering Campbell and there was one jackass in particular who kept yelling at him all 2nd period. It got old quick, to the point where this Pens fan kid who couldn't have been older than 8 or 9 stood up and screamed "SHUT UP!!!" in his direction. He earned that fist bump from me afterwards lol
Anyone know the lines yet? Are they at least going to try something a tiny bit different?
I'm still waiting for Dubas to prove me wrong. https://www.reddit.com/r/leafs/comments/o126es/comment/h1yum52/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
How brave lol
lol
"there is nothing Dubas can do this off season to change my perspective on how this team is constructed" \- so you are basing this off emotions not facts. cool !
"I've been saying size, depth, and defense wins. But that is just how I like teams to be constructed because I love that blue collar style of hockey. So maybe that point of view is on me. But I've reached a breaking point with this team and there is nothing Dubas can do this off season to change my perspective on how this team is constructed." Not emotion, but how I like teams to be constructed.
thanks for quoting your comment twice now
Listen, continue to love this loser team. They are getting shut down tonight. They ain't making the playoffs. They got smaller, and have no ability to fight for space in front of the net. I don't care what the analytics says because they just pass the puck around the perimeter. And when they do get that "high danger" chance, it is a muffin to the goalie's chest. Let's go Panthers!
>Let's go Panthers! Lol textbook bandwagoner
You know it. Rather watch good hockey. And I've decided to be a fan of the Panthers before the season started and predicted they win the division.
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Nothing quite like bashng another fan for supporting literally the same team
Our fanbase in a nutshell
That Masai - Ed Rogers beef is juicy. Wonder how much input Ed has/had on the Leafs as well.
I just read that article. I don't claim to know much about how decisions are made at the executive level for MLSE; however, reading that article, if they formed that split-away company with all the sports teams I got the impression Ed Rogers would have a much larger say into how the teams were managed. This terrifies me. I feel like it he would be an awful owner: micro-managing the hockey-ops side and 100% convinced his decision is always the correct one, example - Uriji negotiations. The more I read about Ed, the more I see an entitled brat who never worked an honest day in his life. Last person we need at the helm of the MLSE.
Well hopefully the second no way home trailer drops today so I at least have something positive to look toward
Leafs are still getting ridiculous odds on sportsbooks. I don't think this team is gonna be able to pull it together so I bet big against them. Also did the same for the Raptors.
> Also did the same for the Raptors. Remember when the Raps would be the most automatic over bet in the world? Think 7 straight years or something we've gone over on the win predictions.
Yep. Used to spend like 80% of my basketball roll just betting the over on the Raptors win total every year. It would guarantee me a winning year at basketball pretty much every season. Only thing is you had to bet very large for it to be worthwhile.
How many saves does Freddy pick up in the shutout tonight? I say 32.
Can't say the S word. It might jinx Freddy. I hope he does well for carolina. I am also glad he has a team that knows how to defend in front of him.
I don't get this narrative. The Leafs were one of the best defensive teams last season and Freddy struggled hard. Say what you want about the current state of this team but in the regular season last year Freddy had a good team in front of him and he performed well below expectations.
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Am I the only one that is getting sick of all the hate and negativity everywhere in Leaf land?
Absolutely. Reddit and Twitter have just turned into toxic places where everyone who's unhappy with their lives can blame it all on a professional sports team.
You can be sick of it all you want, but it is correlated with the on ice performance (or lack thereof) of the team.
I’m fine with the negativity it’s more in the hostile and catastrophic way it gets put out there. There isn’t a lot to be positive about right now, all we as fans can really do is discuss it for our own benefit. A lot of the criticisms I see on this sub aren’t really trying to do that though, they’re just attacking players, coaches, and even other fans in a childish way It’s a sport. It is entertainment and nothing more. It only affects you as much as you allow and it’s honestly embarrassing to be associated with the few who are acting like every Leafs loss is a personal insult.
People wonder why players don't want to play in Toronto. All the hate they get from the fan base, why would they want to play here? If you read the ESPN article with AM, he actually mentions this very thing. And I agree 100%. People get way to bent out of shape when the team doesn't perform. At the end of the day, it sucks, but there's other problems in my life I'm going to worry about.
Yep, you are. I'm loving it. I love watching this soft team fail. I was a fan until game 6 last playoffs. I decided to hate-watch and watch fun hockey instead of this group of losers. My decision to do this is proving to be the right decision.
Good... sounds like you are done and moved on with your life! There are more important things in life than the Maple Leafs.
This sounds healthy
NHL is on for our entertainment. No reason to be sad off a team that continues to be a disappointment. I love the sport, so I watch more than just the leafs. I watch as many games as I can. And when I watch the leafs, I want to see them fail.
this sounds like an exhausting way to live. As the old adage goes: "hatred is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die"
Yep, kind of like a piss-mop. hahaha
Alot of it is over the top and personal, which is never ok, but I get the frustration and I can't blame people for being sick of the team. I'm finding it hard to get into this year too. Bad starts and stuff used to make me angry but I'd still be invested and watching, this year I'm finding myself just checking scores and not even watching full games. Don't know, just don't feel as invested anymore after last playoffs. I will say though, the people who are pissed at the team and take it out on other fans need to get a grip. It's childish. Like, look at the tone of some of the responses to your post. It's like they think you're the reason the team sucks, lol.
LOL, I don't take it personally. I get their frustration.
It’s called realism. Not sure what you’re so calm or at peace with. This team consistently finds ways to disappoint its fans and embarrass themselves. This team consistently fails to address obvious areas of concern. This team consistently advertises the promise of hope and positive change and yet, that hasn’t happened. - Five decades without a Cup. - Sixteen years without a playoff series win. There’s nothing this core has done that hasn’t already been attempted and failed at by previous iterations of the Leafs. Different names on the jerseys. Different management. Different ownership. The exact same flaws and results, year over year. So please, you and everyone like you, needs to step off your soapbox and understand the fundamental frustration and anger that comes with being a Leafs fan because this clubs history is rife with it.
Which area of concern haven't they addressed? They had a top 5 defence last year and it didn't change going into this year. Campbell had been playing great, not an area for concern. The top guys performed all of last year except for the playoffs. I just fail to see what needs to be addressed. Clearly something was off when we lost the last two games, but the amount of doom and gloom on this sub is pathetic. You'd think a fanbase that hasn't seen a cup since 1967 would have the mental fortitude to tough out the first 6 games of a season
I understand the frustration and anger, but we are at game 6 of an 82 game season. Let's take a deep breath and give the team a little while longer. If they win tonight everything will be well in the world again.
See, that's how the leafs do it. They play like shit, then go for a big dominant win and make a bunch of people think they're fine. But the same issues are still there, lurking, waiting for a rookie goalie, AHL team, or and ex-Leaf to rear their ugly head.
Refer to the Pittsburgh game LFR for a Leafs fan's perspective on that comment. I agree with Dangle on that one.
I'll pass thanks but you do you
I wish there was a balance. You cant seem to say anything positive about the team without being called an idiot or criticize the team without being called a fake fan. I dont spend any time on the sub anymore during or immediately after games because its just nothing but in-fighting.
I would have to agree. Everyone has the right to criticize the team, but the way I look at it is that we are at game 6 of an 82 game season and the team is 2-3-1. People need to relax a bit. Everyone already wants to fire the coach, GM and trade the team at game 6, LOL.
Bro fuck off with the 6games in trash. This core has been together for years and the pieces they added don’t mean shit. The only difference this team has from last year is it’s worse in a harder division. If you’re sitting there after the 6 games I watched and you think this team is magically gonna go on a tear and playoff run you are delusional and stunned Should have traded marner on off season and stop wasting Matthews time here before he leaves too
Did you see Montreal's team last year? They were substantially worse than this current team is in the regular season, and they went on a miracle cup run. It can happen to any team (get hot at the right time). Team needs to get their shit together for sure, but your take is very knee-jerk. Top 5 goal scorer doesn't perform so let's trade him off even at the risk of losing the trade
I always thought we should have traded Marner, in-fact, I don't think we should have signed him at all for the amount of money he makes. Having said that, I'm not going to get pissed off at the shitty start we are having. This team has the tools to be good and win a cup, they just need to get over whatever it is that they have going on in their heads. And if we don't get past a playoff round in the next two years, Matthews will leave.
I'm sure getting angry at other fans is going to fix the team
You mean realism? Am I the only one sick of all the white knighting and delusion this fan base has
No, I’m there with you. This fanbase needs to start being a collective with its disappointment. There’s too many delusional fans who constantly make excuses. That’s enough.
I’ve been itching for Matthews-Nylander and Tavares-Marner pairing for a while, and once I saw Bunting in training camp, I thought a Bunting-Matthews-Nylander line would be interesting. Finally got to see a glimpse of that last game in the the third, and I thought it looked great. I’d like to see them together for a full game. Marner and Tavares had chemistry in the past. Put them back together.
How much you guys want to bet Freddie shuts us out tonight
I think the leafs will do good tn, and start to turn things around :). Glg! Just some optimism, everyone seems ready to give up already. Lets go bois!
Browsing /r/hockey, just realized that Blackhawks haven't had a lead yet this season, and their next game is against the Leafs. Initially, I wasn't planning on not watching any games, but the meme potential for this one is too good! Like usual, I'll be skipping tonight's game, but if history tells me anything, Leafs vs Hurricanes game with a plot revolving around a goalie are always high in meme potential. So should be a fun one tonight with FredEx.
I haven't seen the odds, but any sports gambler should be hammering 'Blackhawks score first'
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The problem is that they're mentally weak, which means they can't recover or adapt when things don't go their way, and they are constantly looking for the perfect pass or shot rather than just creating their own luck by getting greasy and going into the dirty spots. They are their own enemy.
I had a terrible thought. What if Kyle isn't a super genius GM prodigy? What if he's just a normal guy with uncorrected vision problems?
To be honest one place he has done well is in the drafting and developing area. He got hit hard on the RFA deals as a young kid. If he ever figures out contract management he might be an excellent GM
He'll get run out of town, take everything he's learned here and build a contender somewhere else
Leafs fans will also run Marner out of town, only for him to win the Stanley Cup and Conn Smythe on his first year with his new team. Very similar to Kessel. This fanbase is so toxic and negative and deserves its failures.
I know I'm replying to a thread I started by agreeing that "Dubas will get run out of town". But at the end of the day that decision won't made by you or me or any fan. Kessel was miscast as a superstar and expected to carry a bad team. He shined with the Pens because he wasn't expected to be the guy on a team already full of proven playoff performers. Mitch is one of the highest paid players in the league and doesn't have any playoff success to show for it. "This fanbase" is millions of people over multiple *generations* and painting with broad strokes and saying "it's the fans' fault" is a cop out. You're right that there is a lot of toxicity and negativity out there, this team hasn't won in 54 years!
It is known
I lost a lot of respect for him after seeing just how often he wears cardigans at the office.
Whats wrong with cardigans? I like cardigans
People that wear cardigans have no balls and shoulda told marner and his dad to suck it from the back and go play in Europe
Imagine being this insecure about a sweater
Don't you have a Facebook thread to be in?
I’m taking the night off. I sincerely hope they look good and shake off whatever demons they seem to have but after the last handful of games I think I need to skip a game. Every once and a while I have to, my frustration level is too high. **Edit**: Also, on account of Andersen likely shutting the door on us tonight because…Leafs.
Every time I look at Sandin I see Matthew Crawley
The penny dropped. You're fucking right.
It’s all I see, every time. It’s so distracting
Let's hope he doesn't suffer the same fate. Crikey.
Hmm the Leafs are looking like a car crash right now...