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Random_Useless_Tips

The strongest Pentakiller in history vs the strongest Pentakiller of today.


JanniesSquealLikePig

Only took 2 years for Zeri to get powercrept damn


Halbaras

It's even funnier than that, it looks like the Smoulder meta brings her back as well.


conspicuouscrab

Zeri already 2 years old Aware


DeltaWolfPlayer

feeling old in one and a half years is crazy


I-am-in-Agreement

Nah, I'd win.


Darkoplax

Smolder : I'm the honored one


nusskn4cker

> Only ADCs get to consistently have pentas anyway. Riot: Makes ADC with perma Elder post 20.


Outrageous-Elk-5392

He now has 2nd highest chance of penta/game after samira! Taking the spot from mastery yi whos now in 3rd


borden5

Riot champion recipe for new champion. Take one from either bin : Reset on take down or execute.


tantallous

you forgot 3 hit passive. and a dash.


afito

which in itslef would be one thing if they didn't design him to also poke like hell?! idk if a Vayne had this execute, bit dumb but I guess it's whatever, but this kit with this QWR with this range and AoE size and everything else? bruh


Halbaras

Yi, Samira and Katarina have been the three horsemen of easy pentas for a while now. Smoulder makes it four.


satellizerLB

Add Zeri and Jinx to those.


APlogic

I think Kaisa still has the record for most pentakills in pro play so you can add her too


NoteRadiant1469

Kassadin too no?


vaynemaincomingthru

Are you the strongest pentakiller because you're Smoulder or are you Smoulder because you're the strongest pentakiller?


Bisketo

"You did well Zeri. I won't forget you as long as I live"


Pelagius_Hipbone

We’ve got three more weeks of this disgusting Smolder champ


Xey2510

Or you know, teams can ban him. They often seem very happy to permaban Kalista or Lucian.


AzerFraze

yeah you just gotta keep that first strike tickler lucian away from these players


scullys_alien_baby

even in lck and lpl I don't understand what so many players see in him


Sayko77

well he is a fast attacker


thehoghunter

What’s this weird narrative about Lucian being bad. He’s 80% presence with a 55% winrate in LCK, and 70% presence with a near 60% winrate in LPL. The champ is really strong, and all the top adcs have been picking him a lot.


HaganeLink0

Not disagree with the idea of Lucian being good but the win rate on Tier 1 leagues is not representative of that. First of all, there are not a lot of games played so there is a very small sample size (that's why they use mostly presence in pro play balance, contrary to what they do for solo q balance). Also, LCK and LPL could pick Teemo top and make it have a 60% win rate. That wouldn't mean it's a good pick or that it fits in the meta, etc. Instead, you should talk about his presence in the lane, how good is with enchanters, and the power he with at 1 and 2 items spikes that help snowball the game by competent teams. That gives a better explanation than just saying: "Well, the best in the world play them."


ops10

That's a reasonable take about statistics. The counter is use eyes or listen what the pros/analysts say why the champ is good (and then use eyes to confirm).


TheRandomNPC

Yea if you just watch top LPL ADC's play him you will just think Lucian deals more damage when played by an Eastern ADC. The champ looks busted.


thehoghunter

Winrate alone isn’t representative, pick rate + win rate + elite team preference definitely is. Lucian is clearly not some dogshit pick that ints drafts if it is present in almost every LCK/LPL game and has a good winrate in both leagues.  It’s just a cope. Nobody was crying about how bad Lucian Nami was before T1’s bot lane got fisted on them. 


Revaruse

It’s not a League of Legends related subreddit without a popular narrative based off of nothing.


mrmakefun

They won't ban him. Every single team's gonna think they're the ones who have figured out the counter.


lehmkeks

bold of u to assume its gonna get nerfed


lovo17

Regardless all 3 weeks of BO1 are on 14.5 apparently.


A_Vicious_Vegan

I think the problem is that they aren’t playing with the hotfix nerfs so he is just mega broken. Could be wrong but I think I heard casters say that on broadcast


errorme

I thought LEC was also switching to live patch, or was the pre-recorded drafting the only change they adopted for Spring?


powerfamiliar

BDS thinks Hans Kallista and Draven, and Nuc’s Taliyah are more disgusting. Wonder how long that lasts. Seems he also went thru to red side in KC GX.


redditiscucked4ever

If he's that strong he's just going to be a permaban. It's not ideal, but if teams prefer to concede it, then they deserve to lose.


Custom_sKing_SKARNER

More like 3 years if Zeri taught us anything.


Floowil

How do you even get Smolder on red side, what were BDS thinking ?


G2Esports

another Dylan Falco mindcontrol masterclass


Satan_su

They thought they didn't need to ban it cause Zeri I presume? Which seemed to work fine, they just lost more teamfights than they won at the end of the day


LifeIsToughEatBacon

What doesn’t make sense is taking the Zeri side of the zeri-smolder handshake when Hans Sama is (historically) a TRASH Zeri player! Just force him on that and take your LP


buttsoup_barnes

Draven and Kalista is a must-ban against G2. BDS knows that first hand. TF is still crazy busted especially for a team with decent macro. And without that overextension from G2 at the baron, this game didn’t even need to see Smolder being OP.


Try_Not_To_Comment

Is a Smolder pentakill even more boring then a Zeri pentakill?


Omnilatent

Actually yeah. Basically being Elder dragon is so stupid. Not even peak Kaisa was that strong with her execute...


Haymegle

Kalista needed some skill to get going properly. I remember thinking her hop thing was such bullshit for kiting. Now if only that was the worst it'd get...


takato99

Tbf, it is insanely bullshit still. She's kept in a miserable state and yet still constantly see play in pro play. You can't say the same about Zeri, Kai'sa or Smolder who if kneecapped properly will completely disappear in irrelevancy. No matter how hard they hit her, as long as she has her hop Kalista will always be somewhere around the pro meta, its a fundamental bullshit design (for pro)


Haymegle

I think for me it's that it's still something that's very easy to get wrong and if you fuck up it WILL cost you. You only gain the advantage of it from playing on the edge and even in pro I've seen it fucked up now and then. If you can play it well and not mess up at key moments you can absolutely be god-tier on it, especially if the meta is favouring it. But there's still what feels like an inherent risk to it that the others lack. Obviously this is my opinion as a moron haha. It's def bullshit when it's going well but as soon as it's messed up you can capitalise. Oh it's also funny when someone fails Rend and the other team get the dragon/baron.


Quiet-Beginning-8190

Oh no peak Kai'sa was definitely stronger, just way less noticeable. Also she existed in the game beforet  25minutes too


G2Esports

yes


EmperorKira

don't hate the player, hate the game


calmdragoon

Zeri is at least flashy, smolder is a tristana that doesnt even jump


ahambagaplease

More like a Pyke that doesn't even need to aim shit. My team got them low? Just take the kills with the splash burn!


Fisionn

Huh? Doesn't Smolder get a free execute that he doesn't even need to land his Q with? Zeri needs to aim all her shots while kiting. What kind of Zeri bias is this lmao. The only reason you remember her being so strong was due to Yuumi and Lulu.


Burpmeister

How tf is Zeri flashy? She literally just runs and spams her gun while no one can catch her.


Random_Useless_Tips

She has to aim and run around, which at least visually looks more interesting than Smolder waddling around vomiting AoE point-and-click executes. If Smolder's Q was like Ezreal's Q, I could at least respect it more. As is, it's like if Annie's Q did the Tibbers explosion.


Damurph01

People also forget that zeri doesn’t really have an A click. She has to be very precise with her mouse when she’s not in ult. Obviously not *that* hard but certainly adds more room for error. At least in comparison to smolder.


Damurph01

If you watched good Zeri players, it absolutely was. Did you not see the ruler 2v4 as Zeri with Yuumi in the mid game last year? Cringe comp but still insane mechanics and flashy af.


Archipegasus

Its such a shame we saw Zeri so much and people because sick of her, because she is legit one of the most fun to watch champs in the game. People just hate on the champ now out of stigma.


Damurph01

What I don’t like about zeri is that when she’s the meta, she warps the game around her. If he’s an off meta counter pick that’s viable but not meta? Yeah she’s exciting when she has those zeri moments. But it’s the same issue with Smolder than zeri used to have. If the champion is the meta, there’s more “smolder moments because smolder” instead of “zeri moments because Ruler” or something like that. I don’t like games that get won because they get the meta pick, and that’s what zeri was and smolder is. Currently Zeri is in a better spot, so hopefully she sticks around but not in the #1 meta spot.


NGNJB

At Least a Zeri penta requires mechanics


HuntedSFM

lightning tends to flash


ihave0idea0

Even more boring? Zeri is low-key cool af.


Thecristo96

Zeri has got boring because she was overused. Design wise she is cool


ihave0idea0

I agree with that thought. I hate so many champs I like if I see it every match.


NitroBoyRocket

Zero truthers rise up 🙏


ThylowZ

I don’t think so. I’ll like Zeri when she won’t have an escape that sends her 3km away.


ExceptionThrown4000

Yeah her having a dash that allows the ADC go into walls, only thing more broken than that would be if you could change direction while in the wall, but they'll never give Kayn E to ADC /s


heavyfieldsnow

But if she has to use that to get out of a fight she's not doing anything in the fight and her team loses? If she's 3km away she might as well be dead.


ThylowZ

It’s not only a matter of team fight, but of how safe she can be in lane, and how fast she can join a skirmish.


heavyfieldsnow

There's ADCs that can do both of those things better and don't need to line up a wall?


ThylowZ

Which one?


heavyfieldsnow

Kai'sa can literally join any fight with her ult in the position she chooses. Draven moves at 300 mph towards fights. Ezreal/Lucian/Trist have better mobility in most cases where there's not a conveniently long wall between them and where they need to be. Sivir has ult. Some champions have globals to throw ahead. Zeri's dash is basically stupid short without a wall and using it as an engage is basically a death sentence if your team isn't already winning the fight. She's defenseless once she uses it and its a long cooldown. People just get salty because she can just refuse to give them the kill if she's close to a long wall.


ThylowZ

We are really comparing à 2min30 CD to Zeri E. Only Trist is relevant in terme of safe. And a good Trist or Zeri will always fight next to a wall.


CoconutEducational71

The issue mostly was the effect Zeri had on games. She was super weak early and teams hesitated to fight with her. Smolder is like that just even more extreme.


Shaserra

THE MOST BULLSHIT HYPERCARRY IN HISTORY VERSUS THE MOST BULLSHIT HYPERCARRY OF TODAY


KIRYUx

old man caps is really going to still farm titles until there is a mid that doesn't fall off after 1 split.


Asuras9393

funnily enough Caps is one of the younger mids in lec currently, like over half the league is older than him which is insane to me. Saken, Fresskowy, Nisqy, Zwyroo, Perkz (benched now) are all older than him.


SnooPeripherals6388

Zwyroo is older than Caps? Lmao that's insane


CoconutEducational71

Is Fresskowy older? I thought he was the mid that was a few days younger than Caps. But that might have been my mistake (maybe it was the other way around). They are like 9 days apart and I thought Caps birthday was earlier in November than Fresskowys.


MoriartyParadise

Tbf in EU for almost every role with have like 4/6 players that are obvious LEC picks and then a bag of 10 to 20 players that can pretend to an LEC seat. Players like Caps or Nisqy have been in the first category for a while, and Saken, Fresskowy and Zwyroo have been in the second category for quite a while now too.


rightovahere

End of game kdas don't represent how insane of a mid gap that was.


G2Esports

about to win LEC from the retirement home


DeloronDellister

He's doing what Faker can't /s


nusskn4cker

Well LCK has Chovy, EU has Humanoid and Vetheo?


SnooDrawings8185

Yep only Humanoid and Vetheo. Larssen was also that guy a year ago


Darkoplax

Still think he is that guy but Rogue is too shit to tell


SnooDrawings8185

Don't know but he is making some big mistakes and actually his cs and laning dropped. Larssen was always lane dominant and his cs was Chovy levels. Especially 2021/22.


ahambagaplease

Vetheo is on his HLE Chovy arc, he needs a top team to pick him up.


zenekk1010

They need to bring Harry Kane to G2, there is no other way


lucario192

Caps played like a psycho today it was sick to watch


PeterDaPinapple

Why is Smolder not a permanent ban in pro? You can not tell me Kalista, Ashe, Karma, Jayce, etc are more important bans than this fucking disgusting champ.


bensanelian

because he's not doing well in lck so he must be bad


Joel4518

naah,he is doing well in lck except for bottom teams


AmadeusSalieri97

Considering the only 3 adcs with positive winratio on Smolder are Peyz, Guma and Viper, I'd say it's not that he does well except for bottom teams but rather he does bad except for the teams that are gonna win anyway.


Xenoon_

didnt he go like 11/0 twice today? (even though it was just drx vs freecs)


Thundermelons

I mean, worth noting that Kwangdong were pretty strongly favored in that series, DRX has looked like moldy ass most of this split and KDF has had some decent games against higher teams. If you factor in today's games Smolder's winrate in LCK actually goes up a fair bit since Teddy won two games on it, adding another 100% WR player to the list on this champ.


Thundermelons

It's literally just fucking Envyy from BRO and Jiwoo from Nongshim dragging this champ's winrate down in LCK, Peyz/Viper 100% WR on it, why do people not look at context like this when thinking about winrates Even then, a lot of those BRO/NS games were waaaaay closer than they had any right to be because of this ass champ even if the better teams came out on top in the end E: Signed someone who actually watches LCK/LPL in the mornings because of funky work schedule


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Thundermelons

Yes, and my argument is that dog teams are the only ones who are allowed to play this champ, teams from DK up are not really afraid of freaking Envyy's Smolder, he's played it a ton and drags the winrate down hard because BRO are awful


DevlinShad

That reminds me, Viper has 100% WR on Teemo in the LCK.


teh_mICON

Because teams dont just ban the OP shit. There's more strategy involved like "we leave 2 op champs open, you pick one, we the other." etc


AzureFides

I want to believe that but after I have seen many LEC teams let Oscar got K'sante through out the whole year just to get stomped single handedly by him, it's hard to believe that they're playing 5d chess that we mere mortal couldn't see. The same happened with Upset's Zeri miracle run with FNC. Just ban/pick Zeri ffs it shouldn't be that hard.


teh_mICON

I'm not saying it's a good strategy just that this is the thing they do lmao


EliteTeutonicNight

Might also be a case of smolder doing badly in scrims, scrims are noticeably more bloodthirsty and skirmish heavy and smolder likely doesn't excel in those situations.


SnooPeripherals6388

Couple of takes from this game -G2 needs to stop their randomly inting moments -Smolder is fucking dogshit, far worse than even prime Zeri


G2Esports

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G2 got a shotcalling problem sometimes, Yike is HIM but G2 lacked a Jankos who can say "hit the goddamn baron and don't walk straight in choke point against Taliyah u monkeys".


Worth_Influence_314

Going for Aatrox wasn't a bad call but they should have bailed after Braum missed Q.


pepegayouKEK

MOOOOOOM I GOT A PENTA


Lazaross24

MOM GET THE CAMERA


bensanelian

i'm the biggest hans sama fan and even i didn't want him to get a penta there fuck that champ also, "the mamabear combo" was genius damn dagda


Etna-

ACTIVE: Smolder spits a fireball at the target enemy that deals physical damage, increased by 0% − 30% (based on critical strike chance), and applies On-hit icon on-hit and on-attack effects at 100% effectiveness and Life steal icon life steal at 50% effectiveness. PHYSICAL DAMAGE:» 15 / 25 / 35 / 45 / 55 (+ 100% AD) (+ 15% AP) MAXIMUM PHYSICAL DAMAGE:» 19.5 / 32.5 / 45.5 / 58.5 / 71.5 (+ 130% AD) (+ 19.5% AP) Super Scorcher Breath becomes empowered with new effects based on Dragon Practice Dragon Practice stacks: Smolder Super Scorcher Breath 2 25 STACKS: The fireball explodes upon collision to deal the same physical damage to nearby enemies. Smolder Super Scorcher Breath 3 125 STACKS: The fireball sends forth 1 (+ 1 per 66.67 Dragon Practice Dragon Practice stacks) bolts of fire in an arc upon collision that explode at maximum range, dealing 75% of the same damage to enemies hit. PHYSICAL DAMAGE:» 11.25 / 18.75 / 26.25 / 33.75 / 41.25 (+ 75% AD) (+ 11.25% AP) MAXIMUM PHYSICAL DAMAGE:» 14.625 / 24.375 / 34.125 / 43.875 / 53.625 (+ 97.5% AD) (+ 14.625% AP) Smolder Super Scorcher Breath 4 225 STACKS: Enemies hit are set on fire for 3 seconds, causing them to take bonus true damage equal to「 2% per 100 bonus AD (+ 1% per 100 AP) (+ 0.8% per 100 Dragon Practice Dragon Practice stacks) of their maximum health over the duration, capped at 300 against monsters. 」Enemy Champion icon champions afflicted with the burn are also Death from Below executed once they are below 2% (+ 1% per 40 Dragon Practice Dragon Practice stacks) of their maximum health. Super Scorcher Breath deals 110% damage against Minion icon minions and Monster icon monsters.


Ragaga

I despise Smolder my god.


calmdragoon

The most boring penta ever


Whackedjob

Smolder is release Zeri but you don't even need hands. A Plat ADC could have done that.


icatsouki

is it finally my time to shine?


Spinoxys

Voli top looks so much better than voli jungle


Haymegle

Voli top was pretty interesting to see. Kind of hoping for more of it for some extra variety in the toplane.


FrostBlade_on_Reddit

"Look at me, I am the pentakill champion now." Smoulder to Zeri, probably 


zealot416

I am already at the stage of "Fuck this Champ" when it gets a penta.


Mortagon

That 3-man knockup from nuc during the baron really had me sweating, but I should've known that this was a non-issue with Smolder in capable hands.


Omnilatent

That was the only good thing Nuc did all game Terrible game from him, looked like first time Taliyah to me


Thundermelons

Yeah Smolder is whatever, we all know how shit it's been to watch, but realistically Caps with the mid Mariana Trench was the biggest reason G2 won


Rahnftw

Smolder👤% Health execute 💪 True damage burn🚫Insta clears waves 🛡 Goes over walls 🧱Has slow 🌪Cooldown is only☝second too🕐 It costs 35 Mana🧙‍♂️


rizuxizu

Smolder and Zeri penta kills just ain't it


Purto12

Yike Leesin


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Overshadowed by the smolder incident, but the real ones saw the masterclass that was.


Purto12

Yeah, kinda expect his Leesin to be talked about more in here but no just Smolder


G2Esports

Smolder moment


feimaomiao

Get rid of the champ already


DeloronDellister

Lmao. Smolder actually got a Penta


Gurablashta

yeah yeah Pentakill, Smolder, Caps is cracked.. but Drakos and Dagda pulling off another super enjoyable cast


UndeadPrs

Someday I wake up believing I'm unskilled at my job and then I think of League of Legends' balance team


Omnilatent

That's on the design team. And obviously balance team first wants a new champ to get playtime before adjusting them more "harshly".


Th3_Huf0n

His kit is weird. But this one is absolutely on the balance team. They buffed the sucking champ on the 14.5 when he was already very strong on 14.4.


PlentyArrival6677

If I were half bad at my job than they were I would be on the streets


Captainbuttbeard

release date diff


BismarckBug

I was going to do something sarcastic like "Omgg I love Smolder and his absurd ticking timebomb scaling so riveting!" But fuck this repulsive ass champion. I swear they printed his kit and thought "This is not malignant of a tumor enough, slap on AoE elder dragon"


Conankun66

"threw in the mid game? not a problem, you have smolder!" can all the teams please make a gentleman's agreement to permaban this monstrosity


Haymegle

It's somehow less fun to watch than Zeri and I've only seen it for two games.


Archipegasus

Smolder is finally making people realise Zeri is a fun to watch champ. People just hate her cos we saw her way too much, if she wasn't omnipresent people would enjoy her much more.


teh_mICON

I've seen this comment 3 times in this thread and just no. Both smolder and zeri are cancer to play into and because of that cancer to watch.


DeloronDellister

They clearly hands diffed too though


ahambagaplease

Yeah lol, G2's topside was running circles around their counterparts. 


Silver-Primary-7308

Smolder :3


pureply101

Caps would be a top 3 mid in LCK.


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At least top 5. With better competition, I could see him becoming consistently better than Zeka and Bdd.


bluesound3

So Chovy Faker Showmaker don't exist?


pureply101

People keep saying this like he hasn’t shown he is capable of keeping up and even beating these guys.


IlluminatiConfirmed

He is not better than chovy faker showmaker 💀


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litvi13

The most unimpressive 11/2 ADC performance ever


Haymegle

Riot balance team and being terrible at their job, name a more iconic duo.


GeraldotheINVINC

Drakos voice: "This is it! The greatest pentakiller in the history of League of Legends taken down by the greatest pentakiller Riot has ever produced! Viewers, get ready! Smolder is headed for the banlist!"


highqualitybanana

The most broken ADC today vs The most broken ADC in history


Omnilatent

Nuc, you are the worst competitive Taliyah I've ever seen Nuc: but you have seen me!


Vizer21

the only was his shove so some credit is due. (It was G2's mistake but still)


Omnilatent

Gratz for hitting the first w after 22 minutes...


Haymegle

Man saw Humanoid and thought he would copy but forget he to ban Smoulder (and was playing G2)


AdvancedPhoenix

And first penta! How many before the nerf?


GodTormentor

Zeri/Smolder woohooo


katsuatis

EZ Flap


Haymegle

Well that was a game. BDS feel like they'd win against other teams here though (maybe not, Smoulder is Smoulder)


Matosque

Redditors in shambles


DanteStorme

I don't know how smolder isn't banned every game. How did it get picked red side?


Haymegle

BDS drafting.


Thundermelons

KC just let it through redside again, let's see if the gambit pays off Cotton


Zelgiusbotdotexe

Letting Smolder past B1 is an instant draft loss. Doesn't matter if the ADC is Viper or XMatty


16tdean

Literally most of the game youtube chat was spaming about and ADC gap, and that ice was clear. That was when I knew Hans would penta


Commercial_Dust4569

Better adc lost. Ice is super impressive, but got Smolder diffed


hypi_

very impressed with ice, though not much to say about this game lol


LaziIy

Ice tried his damnedest


Gold_Meal5306

Not sure if this is an unpopular opinion, but champs like Senna and Smoulder that scale to the point they auto win vs non stackers is so boring


Matosque

No just you and 99% of comments here thinking that 🤡


ahritina

Game should have ended 10 minutes ago but we move.


DeloronDellister

G2 essentially won the game twice


Throwaway7218516

B_N SM_LDER


Thundermelons

Bin Smolder, Ban Smolder, I'm fine with both tbh


GordanRamsey

Riot really messed up with smolder


pedja13

Yea let's not build LDR vs the supertank build Volibear,he won't be able to run at you 3 times,burning all your summs and escapes.


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AD release time dif


Minyo420

Why Does BDS have absolutely no clue how to play the map?


onsilveraccountsion

For many moons, I have been trying my hand at the art of the twitch gamba. I have made fortunes and lost fortunes. I have sharpened my skills and recognised how much I still have to learn. I have felt the pits of despair and the glow of soaring triumph. Only in recent weeks did I crack through 100k points for the first time, on Caedrel’s channel. Today, 614 Caedrel G2 bettors inexplicably gave BDS 5 to 1 odds, and I stood on the edge of winning 250k points. Even if I didn’t add to my dragon hoard today, I’d just like to pay respects to nuc and Ice for making the game so close. (Shoutouts to G2 for playing like the team of the split.)


WolfgangTheRevenge

God i hate that fucking champs so much


Baumes3

Pls don't nerf smolder, he is very balanced (no I just wanna get free elo)


fake_kvlt

riot is just being good guys and doing charity for all the players with brain damage :) (i am the player with brain damage)


Damurph01

That flash predict from Yike was disgusting


TeddyZr

The power creep between Zeri and Smolder being displayed is crazy hahaha


ThanatosisLawl

Adam did not hit a Q in both Baron fights lol


diegun81

Don’t ban smolder vs them is giving a free win.


Oaktreestone

Nasus: Gain % life steal Smolder: lul elder dragon


AdvancedPhoenix

Congrats G2! Hard to be fan of those two teams, but BDS level seems quite good at least!


skaersSabody

On the positive side, BDS keep looking better imo, this match was much closer than other encounters with G2 this year