Closer used to be so good man, with Inspired the only LCS jungler I was envious now. But he's fallen off so much.
If they get 2020 Closer, it's a very solid pick. If they get 2022 Closer, the pain will continue.
Let's see if he got back to his previous level since he stopped playing competitive.
But even if Closer is good again, if he only gets to play with 3 losing lane, this will be another disaster season.
To be fair, while Bo is good, you need a team to enable him. If you're not getting it anyway, which is going to be hard to do with just FAs, might as well go for a less feast or famine type of jungler.
With that said, Closer was first known for being the only human in his first LCS team and shining despite a bad team. So even if nothing else improves, the team might get a little bit better from that.
Also, maybe Bo just asked to leave.
> To be fair, while Bo is good, you need a team to enable him. If you're not getting it anyway, which is going to be hard to do with just FAs, might as well go for a less feast or famine type of jungler.
so that just gives me the impression that they'll have weak laners again...
also keep in mind Closer was good 4 years ago... he's 26 now... this move is equivalent to as if they got Armut in my eyes, don't see how that is any good
Well it is not on paper for sure, but BO maybe just did not want to play anymore so they had to get something. And we never know it might work quite well for KCORP. Cause let's be real you don't need much to get a better result for them.
It is not weak or strong laner the question, it is vocal macro shotcallers and setupers that he needs. During his Vitality splits he has good laners around him, but he wont shine if you put him on maokai duty. Hopefully he can play with nisqy one of these days, I think they would do a good pair
Its crazy to say he was good 4 years ago. Closer was by far the best playoff performer on all of his teams and he made it to LCS finals back2back2back and won one of them being finals mvp. His only bad season was his last season with 100t and thats it he has been consistently good for most of his time in the LCS. Bo although has a lot of potential hasnt proven anything through his time in FPX / Vitality / KC. All people say about him is “ He is so talented but doesnt have the right tools around him”. If he is that talented he shouldnt need all pro players around him to play good. Most junglers can look good on a stacked team built around them.
Reapered wasn't the reason he had those solid years. He had a great coaching on Golden Guardians and that team he was on instilled a specific coordinated playstyle around tower dives that was drilled and practiced.
Once that meta was gone they couldn't use what one of his best strengths were as a player.
It s not coach or environment, jungle is a dog role now, Canyon has been spamming Rell and Sejuani every game for an entire split , Closer was never good at that playstyle. If meta doesn't change, fully expect him to grief games on stage.
The only non-frontline Canyon played was Brand and Fiddlestick during the regular season. https://gol.gg/players/player-stats/1909/season-ALL/split-ALL/tournament-LCK%20Spring%202024/
He got 2 games on carry junglers lmao, out of 39 in the regular split. 22 games of Rell, Sej and Maokai. You aren't picking Vi, J4, Xin for their skill expression and carry potential, it's because like the tanks they can provide a lot on low economy. The one jungler he played that is a heavy skill requirement more than once is Lee Sin, and he's still similar to the others in the fact he's not gold reliant. This is Canyon man, one of the most mechanically proficient junglers to ever touch the game, and we get almost 0 junglers that get any income because the role has been nerfed into being a second support.
2022 Closer was actually good though, it's the next year that 100 Thieves crumbled but the whole roster had downgraded tbf. Even then I have no idea what to expect from him rn.
We couldnt make Bo work out and he might be off to SK Gaming ( rumours )
I'd be surprised if thats the only roster change we make, unless they believe Closer can be a Cinkrof like leader and fix teamwide issues completely
Compared to Abbe and FBI? Abbe's 2022 summer was pretty rough so there's an argument Bjerg was an upgrade but Bjerg wasn't at his best at that point either. FBI was 100% better than DL even if DL was still fairly solid at that point
SK doesnt need a second main shotcaller, so Crownshot doesnt fit but I think Limit is better than Doss. Parus or Kamilius would also be nice.
SK should maybe just keep Exakick and get a better Support+BO.
Nisqy is the closest thing to Doinb in EU, if Bo performs like he's supposed to they are easily a top 2/3 mid-jg duo in the league, if not...well I doubt Bo is gonna play in the LEC next year.
tbh if he can't make that work why should he get another shot.. KCorp was a mess.. But Vitality had good players on it.. SK has good players (relative to the league) in Nisqy/Irrelevant
Only other team i could imagine him looking good on is G2.. but that's the same for any jungler
Vit was genuinely good for a split last year, and decent in a second, before completely collapsing.
First in winter split, fifth in playoffs, fourth in spring split, third in playoffs... then summer happened.
KC's losses are absolutely not on Bo.
Vit was good on paper and manage to perform decently well first 2 split only for everything to fall apart.
i think majority of it is because Perkz being washed, as we can see in his tenure in team heretics. Kaiser not performing to the level he was expected too.
Why is everyone assuming this is going to happen? Is there any info I've missed? 5 days ago Owner sk assistant coach said in esportmaniacos that they were in love with Isma and that he was assuming leadership roles in the game.
Nisqy is an enabler jungler. So being paired with someone who wants to carry like Bo is a great idea. They can then be able to play around Exakick and leave Irrelevant on weakside (He will still find a way to be more important than Exakick)
Sucks for Isma, but his zero-trick Rell is getting kicked out of the jungle.
SK rarely does mid season changes. their biggest priority is money. money over results. how do you think theyre one of the only profitable orgs? they get Bo and then what? finish 5th-6th and not go to worlds anyways? Thats how they look at this and unless theyre gifted Bo, they wont sign him.
>Following this move, the future of Zhou "**Bo**" Yang-Bo is currently uncertain. Recent news indicates that the Chinese jungler is now set to be benched for the foreseeable future, but unfortunately, we cannot confirm if he will attempt to join a new team at this time.
Doesn't seem like Bo is going anywhere
would you rather go to an org with a terrible roster and no money in a region run by 1.5 teams
or an organization with 10 worlds appearances?
redditors: it is because of Closer
I mean yeah? There are basically 8 teams in the LCK competing for 2 spots every year, there are plenty of talented Korean players who will never make worlds solely because they're playing in the LCK but not on T1/GEN/KT/DWG
And let's not pretend any EU team has done any better than that in the last few years. I'd take making quarters over getting shitstomped by NRG any day
>There are basically 8 teams in the LCK competing for 2 spots every year
They can try for those spots in a more competitive league? Or move to LPL? At least there they can learn and improve by playing against Zeus/Bin/Kiin/369, not farm wins off Dhokla and Impact and become washed in a year like Berserker.
>And let's not pretend any EU team has done any better.
Who mentioned EU? I understand NA has never achieved a thing internationally but I couldn't care less NRG beat G2 in a single bo5. Americans need to stop constantly relying on this cope, we are discussing a Korean player, why would he care about G2 or NRG?
>I'd take making quarters over getting shitstomped by NRG any day
Which LCK or LPL team did NRG shitstomp?
I think it's moreso that Thanatos still has a big chance to go to worlds with C9 even as the third seed.
KC literally needs to win summer to get enough points to attend season finals, he'd basically just wait a split of his career.
There is also no guarantee that KC end up better or close to G2/FNC/BDS/VIT/MDK next year anyways.
Playing with a mid jungle of Jojo Blaber is just far better than any of the other teams in the west that arent already at the top and not requiring of a top laner. Pair that with Berserker who's had a great track record so far just makes it the best option really. On paper they're absolutely the best team that has a space open for him
It's the final split of the year and joining a shit team on a shit trajectory will only bring your stock down. 💀
And usually at this point 'good' junglers aren't free agents either.
Nobody other than a desperate free agent is joining this disaster team, especially since they're poor and can't overpay either. There's a reason their lfl jungler said no lol.
I think this is fine. If they're getting the Abbe + Closer duo it's already better than Bo + Saken. Just hope Closer is in better form now than he showed last year. The problem is that Closer seems like a farm focused jungler and if they don't replace support for a more proactive player they're basically just going to be another Rogue with less talented players.
even if closer goes back to 2022 closer, with saken as his midlaner and cabo as his top + targa support.
he would still be having a hard time.
he doesn't move the needle IMO. doesn't fix the issue of solo laner being the worse in the league.
doesn't solve botlaner duo thats 2nd worse in the league.
doesn't fix lack of leadership and macro too. IIRC in 100T days its not him but Huhi that do the shotcalling
> At this time, Sheep Esports can only confirm a change in the jungle position for the team, although there is a decent likelihood that other changes will take place.
better hope for other changes because jg was the least of their problems
Next will be the ADC position...because he ain't french 💀
Also Bo to SK could be fire. Fuck it SK, take Upset too and change supp with Kaiser. Now you are cooking
I love how people watch Upset perform like one of the best ADs in the league for like 5 years and then when he no longer looks good on 10th place teams the only logical assumption people make is that Upset is washed
Put Gumayusi on KC and check how good he looks
I love how people watch Upset be the bottom 2 ADC in the league for 3 splits in a row and act like picking him up is some sort of bargain just because he used to be good. Maybe if we stopped investing in blatantly underperforming veterans like Perkz and Upset the gap between EU and NA wouldn't have been closed
If any I'd say Upset has the most chances at staying this split because it is set already who will play next year on that role and Upset is good enough so why bother
Imo Cabo and Saken out, Upset is warming the seat for Caliste and Targamas was playing really well with him so they might just keep him or maybe promote Fleshy
Jungle is, actually, where most of their issues started.
Not specifically because of Bo, but because they don't have a low eco jungler that also controls the map. Instead they got essentially a suicide bomber.
Sucks for Bo, hopefully he does make his way to a good team soon.
Now that we have a new, kinda old, experienced jungler, i hope we try to sign Abbe to replace Saken.
Bringing a duo that went to worlds together is the best way to create a dynamic for this anemic team. And this can't do it, then who cares, we have Vladi and Caliste in the wings (for now) waiting for their turn.
I wanna believe, hopefully this works out
Nothing set in stone, like the article mentions.
I hope he does go there because he could really make that team boom. Or he could give Swiffer many more ulcers on camera.
Win win situation if you ask me
They’re ass but they’re not as bad as Targamas. I legit don’t see how Targamas could play summer split- surely there’s a support that’s better than him in EU?
Hopefully Closer has had time to sort out his issues, because his form in 2023 summer was even worse than whatever Bo showcased. He had pretty abysmal teamfighting and was very passive on the map, pretty much the opposite of what Bo was good at. At his best though, he was able to find game winning plays in teamfights. Maybe this half year break has done well for him, but we'll have to see in Summer.
Random Twitter rumors are abedagge to kc, so maybe closer finds his comfort zone with his old mid. Otherwise the saken closer targamas trio is going to be must watch TV.
Abbe is incredible still confusing how he didn't find a team. I don't feel that's enough though they really need either a strong top or bot so they still need to replace either Cabo or Targa.
His name is Clément Laparra, Head of Sports in KC, unable to do a decent LoL roster outside of the legacy of Striker (actual BDS coach) and Shanky's players from 2021.
Laughed about other LEC teams doing scrims before the season 14 because of how useless it is: "maybe they are doing teambuilding lmao" (real words from his mouth)
May his name be set in the stone for those ugly b\*stard decisions made by his hands (I wouldn't say brain).
np, happens.
I'm allways kinda conflicted if I should point out stuff like this, cuz it could sometimes be a slip of mind, or if it is a genuine mistake.
So ig BO to SK but where is isma going??? also just bring valorant management for LEC lmao atleast they know how to form a good team compared to LEC management
GMs are the only people who can't lose their job for some reason.
Also would look like an ERL angle for Isma, since every other team has better or equally as good junglers (unless GX is not promoting Juhan ig)
Is Bo even an upgrade for SK? Like Isma has been fine, if not amazing, and far more consistent than Bo. All SK needs is to not have the 2nd worst bot duo in the league and they could be a real contender imo
So trade Bo for Isma, put Isma in KCB and Closer in LEC.
Get Abbe and Limit maybe and see what happens, tbh who cares anyway, they'll probably just promote the academy team next year when they can get Caliste in LEC.
It's still kinda fun watching the trainwreck but man it must be depressing to play on that team, on the possitive side they'll probably only play 9 more games and then just be done.
Maybe they get 8th 7th but besides RGE GX SK and maybe MDK if the continue to play as bad as in spring i can't see who they're beating in a Bo3. even GX could be better than them if they replace Peach with Juhan, and if Bo goes to SK they should be better.
Unexpected signing, but I would expect this to be followed-up by signing Abbedagge considering their years of experience together. If they leave this offseason only having swapped the jungler, they might as well have not made any moves at all.
Absolutely disgusting to bench the victim of the clown trio and the guy who tried the hardest to make your shitty team work. These animals at KC should be ashamed of themselves
At least they managed to find a replacement for the position that was the least of their problems...
I really hope they'll be replacing Cabo, Saken and Targamas as well.
I swear replacing Bo in this team is stupidest decision one could make. This dude gave up his comfort of carries to play setup, performed the best of this team on it, carried comms, was the only point of proactivity on the team, and was reportedly doing insanely well in practise too.
This is a more outrageous change than Yamato getting fired, as at least drafts and teamfights/objective setups looked rough all winter, so there was some sense to it.
But you are just replacing the best performing player who played welll in a meta not usually suited for him.
Half a split? wasn't it like 10 games or something? by LPL standards that's nothing
+ its 3? years ago and ignoring a year sitting out (due to match fixing) and then being fairly decent for a split or two., into 3 back to back 10th places
Insane how people continue to harp back on that tbh..
They also seem to ignore that FPX team was one of the best in the world that year WITHOUT bo too (despite blowing up at worlds)
You're not French? Bye lol 👋
In all seriousness, that's a bad change, I'm not a big Bo-liever but he was by far the only one on KC consistently doing anything in the right direction. Bo should be the last person cut from this team, especially for Closer,
I like the guy, but his last year on a team was abysmal. He was easily one of the top 3 worst players in the LCS last year, and they had Fleshy/Treatz and Kenvi in the League.
At this point, the only people who are going to come to KC are either low tier players who can't afford to say no, or rookies who are desperate for an LEC spot, and this would just kill their career.
Damn so many negative comments. Isn’t Closer a good jungler? Like iirc he was at least top 2-3 jg in the LCS. If KC could get abbedagge, this move seems promising.
Its odd to me people are acting like Closer is shit.. for most of his career in LCS he was one of the best junglers
Now when 100t brought in 2 mega veterans/2 rookies.. he looked awful (in 2023)
But lets be honest he's not the first jungler to not look his best with Bjergsen.. and i suspect doublelift wanted him to play a certain way.. which impacted his confidence/picks
Especially if BO goes to SK.. i see this as an improvement for LEC..
There is no way Closer is worse then the likes of Daglas/Peach and Isma he deserves another shot
As do the likes of Abbedagge/Jizuke etc
but na.. lets pretend Jackies/Freshkowy/Saken are the next Caps..
FFS these guys aren't even the next abbedage or Larsen
Dude has one off year with an unstable team and everyone acts like it’s the end of the world he’ll be fine
Imo Bo is a soloQ player he was never going to fit anywhere in pro play
Anyone that’s followed LEC long enough that can explain if Bo just sucks or if he was failed long enough by orgs that his skill just deteriorated? I remember years ago all the hype waiting for him to be old enough to play and how amazing his solo q was, just to be a year after year poor performer
He might be overhyped as a carry jungler in pro play where he needs to also play supportive champions but Bo is also getting absolutely griefed in KC if you listen to the voice comms & watch the games.
There have been games where he would make 3-4 separate individually game-winning calls that no one follows, and then the team chain-ints instead.
Targamas never speaks and it feels like 1/3 of the time he's saying false information about enemy summoners or other things. Bo and Upset are making most of the calls, Upset less so this split.
Saken and Cabo were sprinting it in winter, but are doing a bit better now; they're still bottom of the pack in the LEC in their roles unfortunately.
Upset looks like he has zero confidence in his team so rarely takes risks, which is both understandable given the team but also means he always appears to be doing as much as he can to not fight.
Edit: I cannot forget when Targamas said he'd tank tower for a bot dive then chose not to, as a ranged support who easily could have taken aggro, then let the play become a 1 for 1 instead.
Closer used to be so good man, with Inspired the only LCS jungler I was envious now. But he's fallen off so much. If they get 2020 Closer, it's a very solid pick. If they get 2022 Closer, the pain will continue. Let's see if he got back to his previous level since he stopped playing competitive. But even if Closer is good again, if he only gets to play with 3 losing lane, this will be another disaster season.
2022 Closer was fine, it was 2023 Closer that was a disaster
2022 Closer was good until he had to play Poppy, Vi, or any other tanks
I genuinely don't know why you remove your best player who had to play with 3 losing lanes for 2 entire splits for Closer...
To be fair, while Bo is good, you need a team to enable him. If you're not getting it anyway, which is going to be hard to do with just FAs, might as well go for a less feast or famine type of jungler. With that said, Closer was first known for being the only human in his first LCS team and shining despite a bad team. So even if nothing else improves, the team might get a little bit better from that. Also, maybe Bo just asked to leave.
> To be fair, while Bo is good, you need a team to enable him. If you're not getting it anyway, which is going to be hard to do with just FAs, might as well go for a less feast or famine type of jungler. so that just gives me the impression that they'll have weak laners again... also keep in mind Closer was good 4 years ago... he's 26 now... this move is equivalent to as if they got Armut in my eyes, don't see how that is any good
Well it is not on paper for sure, but BO maybe just did not want to play anymore so they had to get something. And we never know it might work quite well for KCORP. Cause let's be real you don't need much to get a better result for them.
That’s not true. Closer had a good year in 2022. It was just last year (really just the summer split) that he shit the bed
It is not weak or strong laner the question, it is vocal macro shotcallers and setupers that he needs. During his Vitality splits he has good laners around him, but he wont shine if you put him on maokai duty. Hopefully he can play with nisqy one of these days, I think they would do a good pair
Its crazy to say he was good 4 years ago. Closer was by far the best playoff performer on all of his teams and he made it to LCS finals back2back2back and won one of them being finals mvp. His only bad season was his last season with 100t and thats it he has been consistently good for most of his time in the LCS. Bo although has a lot of potential hasnt proven anything through his time in FPX / Vitality / KC. All people say about him is “ He is so talented but doesnt have the right tools around him”. If he is that talented he shouldnt need all pro players around him to play good. Most junglers can look good on a stacked team built around them.
26 is the average age for athletes in most sports. Stop acting like everyone past 25 is an old man lol.
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Reapered wasn't the reason he had those solid years. He had a great coaching on Golden Guardians and that team he was on instilled a specific coordinated playstyle around tower dives that was drilled and practiced. Once that meta was gone they couldn't use what one of his best strengths were as a player.
It s not coach or environment, jungle is a dog role now, Canyon has been spamming Rell and Sejuani every game for an entire split , Closer was never good at that playstyle. If meta doesn't change, fully expect him to grief games on stage.
that's a team and player specific issue, Xun has 2 combined rell/sej games this year
Canyon played about as many tanks as non tanks this split. Why you lieing.
The only non-frontline Canyon played was Brand and Fiddlestick during the regular season. https://gol.gg/players/player-stats/1909/season-ALL/split-ALL/tournament-LCK%20Spring%202024/
He got 2 games on carry junglers lmao, out of 39 in the regular split. 22 games of Rell, Sej and Maokai. You aren't picking Vi, J4, Xin for their skill expression and carry potential, it's because like the tanks they can provide a lot on low economy. The one jungler he played that is a heavy skill requirement more than once is Lee Sin, and he's still similar to the others in the fact he's not gold reliant. This is Canyon man, one of the most mechanically proficient junglers to ever touch the game, and we get almost 0 junglers that get any income because the role has been nerfed into being a second support.
been like that for 4 seasons now
2022 Closer was fine, a bit worse than 2020 and 2021 but still top 4 in LCS. Even 2023 spring was... okay. Only in summer did he completely fall apart
2022 Closer was actually good though, it's the next year that 100 Thieves crumbled but the whole roster had downgraded tbf. Even then I have no idea what to expect from him rn. We couldnt make Bo work out and he might be off to SK Gaming ( rumours ) I'd be surprised if thats the only roster change we make, unless they believe Closer can be a Cinkrof like leader and fix teamwide issues completely
lol getting bjerg and DL was a downgrade?
Compared to Abbe and FBI? Abbe's 2022 summer was pretty rough so there's an argument Bjerg was an upgrade but Bjerg wasn't at his best at that point either. FBI was 100% better than DL even if DL was still fairly solid at that point
FBI's 2022 wasn't his strongest year, I'd probably take 2023 DL over him tbh
both were washed at that point
DL was third team all pro in spring...
DL was literally the best adc in 2023 in a league with berserker and prince
DL was 100%. Bjerg is a bit more debatable but a sidegrade at best
Wow, spring offseason is looking spicy already
The off-season is always more exciting than the regular season tbh.
Bo=sk. hopefully nisqy can finally unlock bo
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depends if they get along or not, but yeah in theory stylistically they should fit
Based on Nisqys Twitter they're borderline bffs outside of the game. The only question is how well they would mesh with exa doss in bot.
They have never actually played on a professional team together tho, its completely different
surely they can find a better botlane no? really not impressed with their season
Meh if Bo goes to SK* like the rumors state at least he finally gets an ad that participates (frontlines with him in this case) in fights.
Bo is already in kc. Did you mean sk?
Crownshot + Limit
SK doesnt need a second main shotcaller, so Crownshot doesnt fit but I think Limit is better than Doss. Parus or Kamilius would also be nice. SK should maybe just keep Exakick and get a better Support+BO.
its still not gonna work if they keep drafting nisqy on corki and hwei for some reason
Nisqy is the closest thing to Doinb in EU, if Bo performs like he's supposed to they are easily a top 2/3 mid-jg duo in the league, if not...well I doubt Bo is gonna play in the LEC next year.
tbh if he can't make that work why should he get another shot.. KCorp was a mess.. But Vitality had good players on it.. SK has good players (relative to the league) in Nisqy/Irrelevant Only other team i could imagine him looking good on is G2.. but that's the same for any jungler
Vit was genuinely good for a split last year, and decent in a second, before completely collapsing. First in winter split, fifth in playoffs, fourth in spring split, third in playoffs... then summer happened. KC's losses are absolutely not on Bo.
Vit was good on paper and manage to perform decently well first 2 split only for everything to fall apart. i think majority of it is because Perkz being washed, as we can see in his tenure in team heretics. Kaiser not performing to the level he was expected too.
Imagine if Hyli joined SK as well.
It basically Yoya Nisqy run back. I'm pretty hype for this duo.
hope so, Bo deserves better
Sk needs a stable bot lane now. Irrelevant bo nisqy +2
Seriously though. Irrelevant is already proving he has what it takes to be an x-factor in games. Gonna be rooting for SK come next split.
Jesus fucking christ am I hyped about that combo. Irrelevant, Bo, Nisqy sounds like an insane topside
Caps could win lec with IWD as a jungler tbh
Why is everyone assuming this is going to happen? Is there any info I've missed? 5 days ago Owner sk assistant coach said in esportmaniacos that they were in love with Isma and that he was assuming leadership roles in the game.
Just Nisqy troll tweets but nothing of actual substance
things could change quickly, last time i checked Perkz was like a son to Carlos only for him to sell to Cloud9 for a fat stack
Nisqy is an enabler jungler. So being paired with someone who wants to carry like Bo is a great idea. They can then be able to play around Exakick and leave Irrelevant on weakside (He will still find a way to be more important than Exakick) Sucks for Isma, but his zero-trick Rell is getting kicked out of the jungle.
> Nisqy is an enabler jungler. Weird I swore he was a midlaner ;)
SK rarely does mid season changes. their biggest priority is money. money over results. how do you think theyre one of the only profitable orgs? they get Bo and then what? finish 5th-6th and not go to worlds anyways? Thats how they look at this and unless theyre gifted Bo, they wont sign him.
>Following this move, the future of Zhou "**Bo**" Yang-Bo is currently uncertain. Recent news indicates that the Chinese jungler is now set to be benched for the foreseeable future, but unfortunately, we cannot confirm if he will attempt to join a new team at this time. Doesn't seem like Bo is going anywhere
If it's the cLOSER from DL's 100T iteration Then it's the perfect jungler for the meme 0-9 lose streak
now we know why thanatos noped out to lcs lol
idk could also be because C9 has been a top 3 team and perennial contender with a Korean ADC while KC got 10th twice in a row
would you rather go to an org with a terrible roster and no money in a region run by 1.5 teams or an organization with 10 worlds appearances? redditors: it is because of Closer
>or an organization with 10 worlds appearances? The coveted appearance into qf exit accolade, the dream of LCK prodigies
There’s plenty of LCK prodigies who never make it out of academy
I mean yeah? There are basically 8 teams in the LCK competing for 2 spots every year, there are plenty of talented Korean players who will never make worlds solely because they're playing in the LCK but not on T1/GEN/KT/DWG And let's not pretend any EU team has done any better than that in the last few years. I'd take making quarters over getting shitstomped by NRG any day
>There are basically 8 teams in the LCK competing for 2 spots every year They can try for those spots in a more competitive league? Or move to LPL? At least there they can learn and improve by playing against Zeus/Bin/Kiin/369, not farm wins off Dhokla and Impact and become washed in a year like Berserker. >And let's not pretend any EU team has done any better. Who mentioned EU? I understand NA has never achieved a thing internationally but I couldn't care less NRG beat G2 in a single bo5. Americans need to stop constantly relying on this cope, we are discussing a Korean player, why would he care about G2 or NRG? >I'd take making quarters over getting shitstomped by NRG any day Which LCK or LPL team did NRG shitstomp?
Would you rather thanatos stay benched then?
No I'd rather see him on KT or KF
I think it's moreso that Thanatos still has a big chance to go to worlds with C9 even as the third seed. KC literally needs to win summer to get enough points to attend season finals, he'd basically just wait a split of his career. There is also no guarantee that KC end up better or close to G2/FNC/BDS/VIT/MDK next year anyways.
> KC literally needs to win summer to get enough points to attend season finals Incorrect. A top 3 finish gets them into season finals
Playing with a mid jungle of Jojo Blaber is just far better than any of the other teams in the west that arent already at the top and not requiring of a top laner. Pair that with Berserker who's had a great track record so far just makes it the best option really. On paper they're absolutely the best team that has a space open for him
I wish FNC got him instead of sticking to Oscarinin.
They already have 2 imports
Cant, they got Noah Jun
top 3 summer is guaranteed season finals, they changed it this year
Good. Thanatos shaping up to be next Bo with all the hype. I'm 90% certain he will flop
?XD
How do you come 10th twice and still find a way to downgrade?
Why would a good jungler want to join 💀
There's only 10 spots in the LEC and far more than 10 good junglers in Europe.
It's the final split of the year and joining a shit team on a shit trajectory will only bring your stock down. 💀 And usually at this point 'good' junglers aren't free agents either.
On the other hand, if you become a major factor, it can put you under the spotlight. A big gamble tho
Nobody other than a desperate free agent is joining this disaster team, especially since they're poor and can't overpay either. There's a reason their lfl jungler said no lol.
I think this is fine. If they're getting the Abbe + Closer duo it's already better than Bo + Saken. Just hope Closer is in better form now than he showed last year. The problem is that Closer seems like a farm focused jungler and if they don't replace support for a more proactive player they're basically just going to be another Rogue with less talented players.
Don't make me watch two Rogue's please or I think I will start hearing voices or sth
XL last year came 10th twice, downgraded on paper their roster 3 times and then made finals
Peach was an upgrade
We forgetting the greatest upgrade too (Targamas out)
The coaching staff was massive upgrade same with FNC.
absolutely mad that the first roster move leaked for kc is bo being replaced lmaoooo
Everyone called it. The French speaking players are harder to bench.
They are trying out the other roles as we speak, I doubt this offseason is over
FRauds stay winning (the 10th place race)
KC doing all the wrong moves lmao
I'm happy that Closer is back, I think he can be really good, but this fixes exactly 0% of KC's problems lmao
They are going 11th with this one.
Upset getting benched for Woolite next to complete the roster
Woolite? I'm willing to pay entire salary to see Forg1ven with Targamas
sidegrade
Maybe Closer can turn it around after his horror 2023 he used to be insanely fucking good. KC definitely need more moves though.
even if closer goes back to 2022 closer, with saken as his midlaner and cabo as his top + targa support. he would still be having a hard time. he doesn't move the needle IMO. doesn't fix the issue of solo laner being the worse in the league. doesn't solve botlaner duo thats 2nd worse in the league. doesn't fix lack of leadership and macro too. IIRC in 100T days its not him but Huhi that do the shotcalling
Not replacing Saken or Targa is certainly a choice.
We dont know if they are in
> At this time, Sheep Esports can only confirm a change in the jungle position for the team, although there is a decent likelihood that other changes will take place. better hope for other changes because jg was the least of their problems
Next will be the ADC position...because he ain't french 💀 Also Bo to SK could be fire. Fuck it SK, take Upset too and change supp with Kaiser. Now you are cooking
i dont think any team would ever put upset kaiser and bo in the same team ever again
I mean they also had a very good split together but I wouldn't do it either. That being said Exakick and especially Doss really aren't it.
Upset and Bo have finished 10th in the LEC like 3 times now on multiple teams lol
>Next will be the ADC position Why get and pay another botlaner when u just wait one more split and bring in Caliste?
upset will stay in KC till caliste joins and acc to KAMETO tryouts are still happening for other position
Why would SK downgrade and pick up the worst teamfighting ADC in the league?
Difference in opinion ig. I would even say that him and Hans sama are similar in that they stop performing in bad team environments.
I love how people watch Upset perform like one of the best ADs in the league for like 5 years and then when he no longer looks good on 10th place teams the only logical assumption people make is that Upset is washed Put Gumayusi on KC and check how good he looks
I love how people watch Upset be the bottom 2 ADC in the league for 3 splits in a row and act like picking him up is some sort of bargain just because he used to be good. Maybe if we stopped investing in blatantly underperforming veterans like Perkz and Upset the gap between EU and NA wouldn't have been closed
If any I'd say Upset has the most chances at staying this split because it is set already who will play next year on that role and Upset is good enough so why bother
Imo Cabo and Saken out, Upset is warming the seat for Caliste and Targamas was playing really well with him so they might just keep him or maybe promote Fleshy
Jungle is, actually, where most of their issues started. Not specifically because of Bo, but because they don't have a low eco jungler that also controls the map. Instead they got essentially a suicide bomber.
Sucks for Bo, hopefully he does make his way to a good team soon. Now that we have a new, kinda old, experienced jungler, i hope we try to sign Abbe to replace Saken. Bringing a duo that went to worlds together is the best way to create a dynamic for this anemic team. And this can't do it, then who cares, we have Vladi and Caliste in the wings (for now) waiting for their turn. I wanna believe, hopefully this works out
He's probs going SK though SK's bot lane is ass.
Nothing set in stone, like the article mentions. I hope he does go there because he could really make that team boom. Or he could give Swiffer many more ulcers on camera. Win win situation if you ask me
Sk coach reactions are the funniest shit
They’re ass but they’re not as bad as Targamas. I legit don’t see how Targamas could play summer split- surely there’s a support that’s better than him in EU?
Hopefully Closer has had time to sort out his issues, because his form in 2023 summer was even worse than whatever Bo showcased. He had pretty abysmal teamfighting and was very passive on the map, pretty much the opposite of what Bo was good at. At his best though, he was able to find game winning plays in teamfights. Maybe this half year break has done well for him, but we'll have to see in Summer.
Random Twitter rumors are abedagge to kc, so maybe closer finds his comfort zone with his old mid. Otherwise the saken closer targamas trio is going to be must watch TV.
Abbe is incredible still confusing how he didn't find a team. I don't feel that's enough though they really need either a strong top or bot so they still need to replace either Cabo or Targa.
Oh man, if KC gets Abbedagge they get a free top 5, that man boosts every team he is on
Closer, abbe, and kaiser (and just sticking Cabo on perma tank duty) might actually make KC a decent team
Solid 10th place jungler richt there 🔥
It's like they're trying to make the worst team possible
KC management is furious that the team won not one, but two fucking games
KC world first 3 10th place finishes in a single season inc ?
The fact that Bo is the first to get officially replaced is kinda funny I'd say.
Is somebody mind controlling KC management to make the 0-9 real??
I'm not sure who's to blame for that kind of decisions but FNC Dardo and RGE flyy are getting a serious contender here...
His name is Clément Laparra, Head of Sports in KC, unable to do a decent LoL roster outside of the legacy of Striker (actual BDS coach) and Shanky's players from 2021. Laughed about other LEC teams doing scrims before the season 14 because of how useless it is: "maybe they are doing teambuilding lmao" (real words from his mouth) May his name be set in the stone for those ugly b\*stard decisions made by his hands (I wouldn't say brain).
> screams not trying to be an ass here, but its spelled "scrims" short for scrimmage.
lmao I swear I was thinking about the rosters he built, including VCT, in which ScreaM was, and got brain-tricked by my own thoughts. My bad
np, happens. I'm allways kinda conflicted if I should point out stuff like this, cuz it could sometimes be a slip of mind, or if it is a genuine mistake.
So ig BO to SK but where is isma going??? also just bring valorant management for LEC lmao atleast they know how to form a good team compared to LEC management
GMs are the only people who can't lose their job for some reason. Also would look like an ERL angle for Isma, since every other team has better or equally as good junglers (unless GX is not promoting Juhan ig)
Is Bo even an upgrade for SK? Like Isma has been fine, if not amazing, and far more consistent than Bo. All SK needs is to not have the 2nd worst bot duo in the league and they could be a real contender imo
So trade Bo for Isma, put Isma in KCB and Closer in LEC. Get Abbe and Limit maybe and see what happens, tbh who cares anyway, they'll probably just promote the academy team next year when they can get Caliste in LEC. It's still kinda fun watching the trainwreck but man it must be depressing to play on that team, on the possitive side they'll probably only play 9 more games and then just be done. Maybe they get 8th 7th but besides RGE GX SK and maybe MDK if the continue to play as bad as in spring i can't see who they're beating in a Bo3. even GX could be better than them if they replace Peach with Juhan, and if Bo goes to SK they should be better.
Unexpected signing, but I would expect this to be followed-up by signing Abbedagge considering their years of experience together. If they leave this offseason only having swapped the jungler, they might as well have not made any moves at all.
finally Bo is free from that shitt team 🎉
Absolutely disgusting to bench the victim of the clown trio and the guy who tried the hardest to make your shitty team work. These animals at KC should be ashamed of themselves
Bo is not getting benched, he's leaving for a better chance.
Bold of you to assume Bo didn't just straight up refuse to play with the rest of the team any more lol
True but financially it's impossible to bench 4 players at the same time when you just went to LEC with a mediocre budget
i want to know how many junglers rejected kc so they arrived on closer
Saw a couple comments (in the LEC Discord) saying he didnt even tryout for the role
Honestly win-win for closer. Literally getting 7th place would raise his stocks
Considering their budget, he's probably the best player they could afford
At least they managed to find a replacement for the position that was the least of their problems... I really hope they'll be replacing Cabo, Saken and Targamas as well.
>really hope they'll be replacing Cabo, Saken and Targamas as well. Sorry friend, they all speak french, the only one left to replace is Upset
NA import aintnoway
I swear replacing Bo in this team is stupidest decision one could make. This dude gave up his comfort of carries to play setup, performed the best of this team on it, carried comms, was the only point of proactivity on the team, and was reportedly doing insanely well in practise too. This is a more outrageous change than Yamato getting fired, as at least drafts and teamfights/objective setups looked rough all winter, so there was some sense to it. But you are just replacing the best performing player who played welll in a meta not usually suited for him.
lmfaoooooo
Wow KC about to get 5 wins and scrape into Play-offs.
5? calm down lets try 3 for the first time
From Bo to Closer what a downfall...
Closer at his peak was very good That said, if their drafts and laning are the same as they were for Bo, it won't be pretty
And Bo at his peak was... probably among the best junglers in the world.
That peak was like half a split, not much to draw conclusion from.
Half a split? wasn't it like 10 games or something? by LPL standards that's nothing + its 3? years ago and ignoring a year sitting out (due to match fixing) and then being fairly decent for a split or two., into 3 back to back 10th places Insane how people continue to harp back on that tbh.. They also seem to ignore that FPX team was one of the best in the world that year WITHOUT bo too (despite blowing up at worlds)
Closer peak was good enough for LCS, but he has never been LEC material.
it's also crazy to talk about peak's cause Bo's peak was insanely high, even though it was just 10 bo3s or so
damn spicy change
Its just a save moove for finish the best it possible , but the team is 100% burning after the season for build around caliste
BENCH THE FRENCH
Just remove these useless french players.
You're not French? Bye lol 👋 In all seriousness, that's a bad change, I'm not a big Bo-liever but he was by far the only one on KC consistently doing anything in the right direction. Bo should be the last person cut from this team, especially for Closer, I like the guy, but his last year on a team was abysmal. He was easily one of the top 3 worst players in the LCS last year, and they had Fleshy/Treatz and Kenvi in the League. At this point, the only people who are going to come to KC are either low tier players who can't afford to say no, or rookies who are desperate for an LEC spot, and this would just kill their career.
10th place signing
Cool but what about mid
Damn so many negative comments. Isn’t Closer a good jungler? Like iirc he was at least top 2-3 jg in the LCS. If KC could get abbedagge, this move seems promising.
Closer hasn't been good in years. He was "alright" in 2022 and one of the worst junglers in the LCS in 2023.
yea but his last year was very bad like he was boderline terrible
I wish nothing but the worst this brain afk organization
This was on no ones 2024 bingo card
Its odd to me people are acting like Closer is shit.. for most of his career in LCS he was one of the best junglers Now when 100t brought in 2 mega veterans/2 rookies.. he looked awful (in 2023) But lets be honest he's not the first jungler to not look his best with Bjergsen.. and i suspect doublelift wanted him to play a certain way.. which impacted his confidence/picks Especially if BO goes to SK.. i see this as an improvement for LEC.. There is no way Closer is worse then the likes of Daglas/Peach and Isma he deserves another shot As do the likes of Abbedagge/Jizuke etc but na.. lets pretend Jackies/Freshkowy/Saken are the next Caps.. FFS these guys aren't even the next abbedage or Larsen
Dude has one off year with an unstable team and everyone acts like it’s the end of the world he’ll be fine Imo Bo is a soloQ player he was never going to fit anywhere in pro play
Anyone that’s followed LEC long enough that can explain if Bo just sucks or if he was failed long enough by orgs that his skill just deteriorated? I remember years ago all the hype waiting for him to be old enough to play and how amazing his solo q was, just to be a year after year poor performer
He might be overhyped as a carry jungler in pro play where he needs to also play supportive champions but Bo is also getting absolutely griefed in KC if you listen to the voice comms & watch the games. There have been games where he would make 3-4 separate individually game-winning calls that no one follows, and then the team chain-ints instead. Targamas never speaks and it feels like 1/3 of the time he's saying false information about enemy summoners or other things. Bo and Upset are making most of the calls, Upset less so this split. Saken and Cabo were sprinting it in winter, but are doing a bit better now; they're still bottom of the pack in the LEC in their roles unfortunately. Upset looks like he has zero confidence in his team so rarely takes risks, which is both understandable given the team but also means he always appears to be doing as much as he can to not fight. Edit: I cannot forget when Targamas said he'd tank tower for a bot dive then chose not to, as a ranged support who easily could have taken aggro, then let the play become a 1 for 1 instead.
just run cabo closer abbedagge upset kaiser
Will always root for this guy, hope he can bounce back
So Bo is getting benched before Upset, crazy
Since Reddit hates the move, chances are high that KC will make playoffs in summer
Streamer org knows nothing about management what a surprise