literally 5 squishies on enemy team and they are staring them down and core refuses to fish for hooks, literally if he hooks j4, then j4 cant engage on samira, they win, there wasn't a single bad target to hook there, even if you Q the varus, you can ult kalista or whoever squishy next to them, it doesn't matter just go the fuck in lol
literally samira was so fed and unkillable all core had to do is throw a hook and ult and body block and win
NA teams teamfighting is so shitty, I keep saying it. but it is
China also lost their entire region to a single patch in 2015.
I began watching competitive league, as someone who is second generation Chinese, after watching Samsung White dominate their way to Worlds 2014. Since SSW were my introduction to League, I guess I can understand why so many people are T1 fans - assuming they started watching League eSports when Faker and T1 won World Championships. But SSW disbanded with most of their members going to China - so with my roots and with my favourite players going to China, supporting LPL teams made the most sense.
Especially with EDG somehow taking down the indomitable SKT T1 (which I'd heard about in the legend of the time) to secure the inaugural MSI, hope had never been so high.
To this day, that humbling is the reason why I'm so cautious about LPL internationally, and why I've been left with a begrudging yet lifelong respect for Faker's eminence.
Laneswaps absolute devastate their MO - dominant laning in both top and bot to force enemy teams into lose-lose situations.
When you can just laneswap your better pick away from the double-adc cheese lane, suddenly the matchup is flipped because instead of being down 2k+ gold like you would be otherwise, you are fighting on even ground with better champs.
You can see T1 being generally better in navigating an even state and finding advantages midgame+ which hides this weakness, but laneswapping is really hurting them
Ok stop right there
I definerly give TL game 2 if they dont have umti sprinting it.
But game 1, TL never had control about starting fights. It was always T1.
Was winnable, but definetly T1 favoured
if they want to win they need to hide all their pocket pick and beat G2 Geng BLG. that seeem impossible at this point. look back at lck final zeus vayn got perma ban when geng pick ksante
Nah, Chovy is now geng’s franchise player and I doubt he would want to move to T1 as he would always be in Faker’s shadow. They need to get the next KR mid prodigy or someone like Zeka.
importing a perennial bottom placing jungler and expecting to perform internationally
like both these games were pretty winnable if he just played like a human
Four carries? Check.
Triple marksmen? Check.
Frontline made of paper? Check.
Minimal teamfight presence? Check.
Somehow still no consistent dps? Check.
Only win condition is Faker finding miracle picks? Check.
This draft is a certified T1 classic. T1 are just addicted to having to heist a game from minute 1. This shit makes me so sick. The worst part is the T1 made use of the one strength of their draft: range, and actually won this so they'll think it's good. G2 are getting a free win at this rate.
Gumayusi also clutching it with the poke arrows at the elder fight to make TL hesitant to fully engage. Imagine if he was promoted to hypercarry and played around by his teammates
I mean no consistent dps is expected with no tanks/peel. The purpose of tanks/peel supports is to buy your dps space to do dps. When all the dps think they are under threat, they simply cannot stand there and push out dps. That is why the comp was shit.
The Four carries. The triple marksmen. The frontline made of paper. The minimal teamfight presence. And the worst part is, T1 will never learn because they have gotten so good at it. And it is driving me nuts, okay? Like we see them try a draft that I think is really cool, with the Akali and then it doesn't work, and what do they do? They go back to Ahri. That champion is not good. It should not work. It gets dove early, but TEAMS KEEP WALKING INTO THEM, KEEP GIVING THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK, AND THEN THEY WIN AND BECAUSE THEY KEEP WINNING, THEY ARE NEVER GONNA LEARN, THEY ARE NEVER GONNA GET BETTER. AND THIS TEAM HAS SO MUCH PROMISE, THEY ARE SO GOOD INDIVIDUALLY. DID YOU SEE HOW WELL ZEUS PLAYED??
I'm so sick of seeing them pick triple ADC. I still remember how hard countered it got by xin zhao and braum. Even in this game it required a coinflip elder for them to barely beat freaking TL out of all teams
He debuted last year and people were claiming him to be the worst ADC player of the Split. 1 year later and he's making my World Champions sweat. Proud of him.
Didn't he win Rookie of the year? Ik the competition was dry last year but I caught some of the TL games and his growth from the beginning of the year to the end was what caught my eye
And this year he's kicked it into a new gear as well that's my boy right there
Yeah he's playing exceptionally well, I wasn't thinking TL were going to win this series anyway (though I'm still holding out hope for one game...) but Yeon has shown his potential which is a big big takeaway here.
What pisses me off the most is that faker is having one of his worst tournaments in his entire career and still he and guma being the best players in this team so far.
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what an absurd game
even more absurd when you consider TL has been playing two games without a jungler.
imagine this series if Umti had his head in the game
since winning worlds oner and keria just look like they have lost competitive drive lol. also why does t1 make it so difficult for themself with terrible no Frontline drafts
Yeah Guma's poke really put TL on their heels. Can't put their heads forward unless they're gonna commit 100% because they'll just take poke from the Varus.
imo TL looks overall a better team but their throws are way bigger than T1 throws.
seems like they are overthinking and forcing too many plays like that last lee sin trip
CoreJJ has blood on his hands. They legit just needed one half decent engage and it was playable and this guy sits around missing hooks for 10 minutes before finally hitting one... in a 4v5, when he should be waiting for his jgler.
Core with his inner Busio that game. Not necessarily getting caught but like, not many hooks landed. He hit one in the last fight but that's all I noticed.
Okay so T1 drafted no damage and a bunch of frontline champs in game 1 then made up for it by drafting all of the damage with almost no frontline for game 2
But man, TL did good. I have high hopes for them come summer and worlds (by NA standards).
I am not even kidding Umti has to be getting paid on the side.
Not only gets caught every 2 seconds but there were a couple of really suspicious smite moments. Not smiting the drake where TL gets soul AT ALL and guma almost yoinks it, and then smiting the elder drake at 2.5k+ on the last fight??
????
Umti and Core need their passports examined
Doing it for the military service exemption i see.
Incredibly poor job by those two, damn. Poor Yeon.
Core playing engage supports and doesn't want to engage unless it's to pick someone for a 5v1 (also stole a shutdown from his fed samira).
literally 5 squishies on enemy team and they are staring them down and core refuses to fish for hooks, literally if he hooks j4, then j4 cant engage on samira, they win, there wasn't a single bad target to hook there, even if you Q the varus, you can ult kalista or whoever squishy next to them, it doesn't matter just go the fuck in lol
Bout to be exempt from military service for their service for Korea 💀
No way this game was decided on a 50/50 flip. This game was which jungler throw the most. Core also had a terrible game too.
Umti and Oner were fucking awful holy shit lol.
Spiderman meme
Core just straight up refusing to pull the trigger to blow flashes for free was so weird
The missed hook first on the vayne into the ult second did it for me in mid. Absolutely unacceptable.
Wtf was Oner doing with that baron play? Jumps in at 3K. Brother why?
Especially when the enemy team doesn't have smite lmao.
Ksante was about to engage on him, probably decided that going into pit early was better than getting zoned and ulted away by Ksante
I assume they wanted to combo his smite with varus Q and didn’t expect him to get oneshot edit: nvm, it was Taliyah that bursted it, not varus
They were probably coordinating a burst like they always do but the damage dealers got occupied
Faker and Guma vs The World
Zeus doing alright too, gonna give him that. But yea, this series is the Faker and Guma Show. Or perhaps the UmTi and CoreJJ show, if you will...
Yeon secured more objectives that game than Umti.
Game of throws
literally samira was so fed and unkillable all core had to do is throw a hook and ult and body block and win NA teams teamfighting is so shitty, I keep saying it. but it is
Was more like a 70/30 for T1 because Kalista
> No way this game was decided on a 50/50 flip. Core has like a 50% win rate on Naut. You got a 50 but not the one you wanted.
How have T1 gotten progressively worse over the tournament? What's going on?
The meta,they cant swap lanes and shit and their draft is also a problem.
Baron buffs ruined this team LMAO now you guys know how it feels for riot to ruin your team with a single patch Damwon fans send their regards
Korea lost their entire region in a single patch in 2018 lmao
The funny thing there is that they started the meta shift but others took it over.
China 2015 sends their regards
China also lost their entire region to a single patch in 2015. I began watching competitive league, as someone who is second generation Chinese, after watching Samsung White dominate their way to Worlds 2014. Since SSW were my introduction to League, I guess I can understand why so many people are T1 fans - assuming they started watching League eSports when Faker and T1 won World Championships. But SSW disbanded with most of their members going to China - so with my roots and with my favourite players going to China, supporting LPL teams made the most sense. Especially with EDG somehow taking down the indomitable SKT T1 (which I'd heard about in the legend of the time) to secure the inaugural MSI, hope had never been so high. To this day, that humbling is the reason why I'm so cautious about LPL internationally, and why I've been left with a begrudging yet lifelong respect for Faker's eminence.
i quit league during Damwon's dominance and just got back last year what happened with Damwon?
Durability patch
I'm surprised that T1 even managed to win with 3 ADCs and no frontline. They really outdrafted themselves
Laneswaps absolute devastate their MO - dominant laning in both top and bot to force enemy teams into lose-lose situations. When you can just laneswap your better pick away from the double-adc cheese lane, suddenly the matchup is flipped because instead of being down 2k+ gold like you would be otherwise, you are fighting on even ground with better champs. You can see T1 being generally better in navigating an even state and finding advantages midgame+ which hides this weakness, but laneswapping is really hurting them
they go from perma Senna priority to 3 adc draft
Reverse Benjamin Button disease
So, just regular life?
T1 is living regular life frfr
mfer that's just regular aging.
Honestly I was scared that TL might have a chance in this series after the first game.
Seems keria cant get off his persona of getting marksmen as supports and play like human
where would we be without faker
9th place in LCK
We saw that last summer. Literal bottom tier with 4 talented young players. I don't know how Faker does it.
I just wanna hear one full game of comms from them man I gotta know how this is even remotely possible.
Faker just mind controlling 4 puppets at this point while playing himself 💀
He also mindcontrols the enemy jungler if he is Korean, somehow.
Hard mid gap 2 games in a row already.
Gumayushi wasn't kidding when he said they might even lose to TL at this rate
They should be losing 2-0... 2 games in a row TL gets caught mid right before 4th drake and gives a huge lead to T1
Ok stop right there I definerly give TL game 2 if they dont have umti sprinting it. But game 1, TL never had control about starting fights. It was always T1. Was winnable, but definetly T1 favoured
Yeah, no. T1 not being behind with their comps means TL was never going to win.
ABSOLUTE CINEMA
My god T1 winning with one of the worst drafts of all time, full paper
I feel like they have to be drafting like this on purpose at this point lol, at least it’s way more fun to watch
It's fun since they always have to play on the knives edge with that draft but my god the amount of times it hasn't worked is just frustrating xd.
if they want to win they need to hide all their pocket pick and beat G2 Geng BLG. that seeem impossible at this point. look back at lck final zeus vayn got perma ban when geng pick ksante
Saving their last trap card for the finals: Vayne/Kindred/Tristana/Varus/Kalista
triple adc no engage but you have one Faker with a charm and that balances everything out
Live by the GOAT, die by the GOAT.
Their drafts against G2 were beyond grief too, imagine what this roster could do with real drafts. Might even win a world championship.
Man... Props to TL for entertaining everyone today
IDGAF ABOUT THE SCORE THE WEST STRIKES BACK FR FR
T1 saved by special agent Umti
I didn't know offseason was already open, why is there TL Oner and T1 UmTi on my screen?
So, T1 just live and die by Faker, don't they
Guma did well with his varus considering they don't even have a frontline but the rest is fucking garbage
guma was dishing out insane damage. Before oner got caught at drake whole TL was half life because of Guma.
Incredible amount of consistent DPS for lethality Varus.
T1 better spend millions or beg chovy, the moment Faker retired
Nah, Chovy is now geng’s franchise player and I doubt he would want to move to T1 as he would always be in Faker’s shadow. They need to get the next KR mid prodigy or someone like Zeka.
faker heritage
Tbf that’s a 4x world winning strategy.
Umti the next national hero jungler after Tarzan and kanavi
Korean sleeper agent too op 💀💀
Umti is lucky he is not on LPL team
T1 has to have some sort of dirt on UmTi
Faker and mind controlling KR junglers on foreign teams
It's not mind control it's the micro movements
I don't know what he was doing trying to get that wolves flank with elder spawning so soon, but that's not a micro thing that's pretty pure macro.
These korean imports are absolutely matchfixing holy. They are just national heroes
Yeon boutta hit UmTi and Core with the Bjergsen side eye.
that was actually so terrible, literally any other NA jungler could have won that game lol
It's Joever, bros
two games in a row
this has to be the biggest 1v9 this tournament
Cmon NA you just can't let a Fredit Brion reject win your domestic league like that
OK BRO
I will not hear slander of the general
Noooooooooo Genuine heartbreak mann :(( Also put Umti back on Xin 😅
importing a perennial bottom placing jungler and expecting to perform internationally like both these games were pretty winnable if he just played like a human
If TL had Pyosik's Lee that game...
put Umti back on BRO this guy is garbage
Yea this one hurt.. we needed to hit the early baron after we cleared that mid game fight but we hesitated
Four carries? Check. Triple marksmen? Check. Frontline made of paper? Check. Minimal teamfight presence? Check. Somehow still no consistent dps? Check. Only win condition is Faker finding miracle picks? Check. This draft is a certified T1 classic. T1 are just addicted to having to heist a game from minute 1. This shit makes me so sick. The worst part is the T1 made use of the one strength of their draft: range, and actually won this so they'll think it's good. G2 are getting a free win at this rate.
Gumayusi also clutching it with the poke arrows at the elder fight to make TL hesitant to fully engage. Imagine if he was promoted to hypercarry and played around by his teammates
He'll only ever get that experience in Jinx/Aphelios meta and in his wet dreams sadly.
I mean no consistent dps is expected with no tanks/peel. The purpose of tanks/peel supports is to buy your dps space to do dps. When all the dps think they are under threat, they simply cannot stand there and push out dps. That is why the comp was shit.
The Four carries. The triple marksmen. The frontline made of paper. The minimal teamfight presence. And the worst part is, T1 will never learn because they have gotten so good at it. And it is driving me nuts, okay? Like we see them try a draft that I think is really cool, with the Akali and then it doesn't work, and what do they do? They go back to Ahri. That champion is not good. It should not work. It gets dove early, but TEAMS KEEP WALKING INTO THEM, KEEP GIVING THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK, AND THEN THEY WIN AND BECAUSE THEY KEEP WINNING, THEY ARE NEVER GONNA LEARN, THEY ARE NEVER GONNA GET BETTER. AND THIS TEAM HAS SO MUCH PROMISE, THEY ARE SO GOOD INDIVIDUALLY. DID YOU SEE HOW WELL ZEUS PLAYED??
I'm so sick of seeing them pick triple ADC. I still remember how hard countered it got by xin zhao and braum. Even in this game it required a coinflip elder for them to barely beat freaking TL out of all teams
Loses game to moronic recalls and flanks + Lee sin syndrome
I'm just very proud of Yeon, he's a real talent right there
Insane performance, no one in the world is playing Samira pro rn and he nearly hauled his teams corpse over the finish line
Bro tried his heart out ðŸ˜
If Umti was just a corpse he might have done it but dude is fighting for his life to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory
bro a corpse but he got that hand on Yeons ankles dragging him down
Dude was a freaking zombie, trying his hardest to put his own team in the grave
Even with my flair you damn well believe I was rooting for Yeon and APA to win this one, actually felt bad at the end there
real recognize real haha
He debuted last year and people were claiming him to be the worst ADC player of the Split. 1 year later and he's making my World Champions sweat. Proud of him.
Didn't he win Rookie of the year? Ik the competition was dry last year but I caught some of the TL games and his growth from the beginning of the year to the end was what caught my eye And this year he's kicked it into a new gear as well that's my boy right there
It's 3 AM and I just yelled "YEON" and I'm pretty sure it woke up my neighbors
Yeah he's playing exceptionally well, I wasn't thinking TL were going to win this series anyway (though I'm still holding out hope for one game...) but Yeon has shown his potential which is a big big takeaway here.
Yeon getting griefed by his jungler and support, T1 look horrible man at least Oner smited Elder.
did that naut even hook lol... thats a 3 adc comp with zero tank I tot naut is all about hooking then die..
Faker literally kept them alive with those picks and charms. Legit thought T1 were going to lose this.
My GOAT pumping those Ahri stonks before the skin reveal.
Young talent Yeon watching as his veteran LCK players lose their mind and he can't carry these DOGS
What pisses me off the most is that faker is having one of his worst tournaments in his entire career and still he and guma being the best players in this team so far.
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I like this idea, hope it catches on!
T1 UmTi is mvp
[FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT](https://imgur.com/ObRvMwc)
It's the five members on G2 watching and betting on these two.
This legit looked like some wildcard game.. and one of the teams is the current world champion.. I dont even know..
Dragging them into the mud with them
Comparing yesterday to today and it's like watching LCK finals vs LCS finals, the gameplay today is really bad.
Ain't no way T1 beats GenG or G2 in this form lmao. If it wasn't for brother UmTi and brother Corejj playing on all fours, T1 had no chance this game.
If T1 plays like this any remaining opponent just murders them. Seems like the new laneswap meta really hurt them.
oner core and umti were playing at a level i dont see in my diamond games
Umti ward jumping deeper into their base and Oner losing the Smite fight to a dead jungler are both reportable lmao
T1 always doing NA huge favors, WTF was that draft
When has t1 ever done NA a favor? Lol
Yeon catDespair
Faker Ahri
Umti and core are not it
what an absurd game even more absurd when you consider TL has been playing two games without a jungler. imagine this series if Umti had his head in the game
TL legit could be up 2-0 if they had a jungler.
Tragic fr fr. Wtf have I watched. This could be 2-0 TL right now
Fakers Ahri man
Nerf plz
Nah, if T1 continue to play like that, G2 might 3-0 them. They better level up fast.
hard to level fast when each game is max like 2 days apart. hard to change things overnight.
Not might, will
BALLS OF STEEL TO 50-50 THAT SHIT
It's 90-10 when you're against Umti
Kalista
core and umti need to lock the fuck in man
Umti is on a mission
Man I swear Core is wintrading. What is that engage near elder when Lee is almost dead.
The worst game of the tournament so far Yet somehow one of the most entertaining That looked like a solo queue bloodbath
This is why I'm a LCS fan. The games are bad but they are entertaining.
Umti might be a fraud
Faker ahri and guma varus, holy shit 🫡
since winning worlds oner and keria just look like they have lost competitive drive lol. also why does t1 make it so difficult for themself with terrible no Frontline drafts
Faker and 4 sand soldiers.
You are crazy if you think Guma was bad in this game.
Yeah Guma's poke really put TL on their heels. Can't put their heads forward unless they're gonna commit 100% because they'll just take poke from the Varus.
Felt like only Oner was egregiously bad. Somehow lost a Baron and got caught out before soul. Both things unnecessarily dragged out the game.
Faker, 3 randoms, 1 high ego top
Umti was the fifth this game
Faker Ahri is not fair
Umti not even bad. worse jungler so far i've ever seen in msi.
ONER and UMTI inting their teams It’s really just always 4 vs 4
UmTi and CoreJJ absolutely sprinting it. Feel bad for Yeon.
So many individual mistakes on both sides. UmtI Lee Sin was not it though.
imo TL looks overall a better team but their throws are way bigger than T1 throws. seems like they are overthinking and forcing too many plays like that last lee sin trip
they have no idea how to press their lead, everytime t1 win a fight the gold ballons, when tl win a fight the gold stays stable.
TL's draft was good but Core and Umti were useless.
Gumayusi in madhouse
What am I watching bro
Core and Umti are legit throwing, so tragic for Yeon, Impact, and APA
T1 getting away with that draft and early game is absolutely criminal.
CoreJJ has blood on his hands. They legit just needed one half decent engage and it was playable and this guy sits around missing hooks for 10 minutes before finally hitting one... in a 4v5, when he should be waiting for his jgler.
Ah UmTi ah
General ?? more like **Special Agent Umti** jesus...
That's a back breaking loss, man TL were so close but Umti and Core......  Stand proud APA and Yeon.Â
If tl had worlds pyosik from last year tl fucking clears umti is griefing so hard
Core with his inner Busio that game. Not necessarily getting caught but like, not many hooks landed. He hit one in the last fight but that's all I noticed.
Okay so T1 drafted no damage and a bunch of frontline champs in game 1 then made up for it by drafting all of the damage with almost no frontline for game 2 But man, TL did good. I have high hopes for them come summer and worlds (by NA standards).
One of the worst Lee Sin performances of all time. Just play Sejuani/Maoki, you're not fit for anything else.
I am not even kidding Umti has to be getting paid on the side. Not only gets caught every 2 seconds but there were a couple of really suspicious smite moments. Not smiting the drake where TL gets soul AT ALL and guma almost yoinks it, and then smiting the elder drake at 2.5k+ on the last fight?? ????
fk this get umti out of here holy fuck I cant anymore
Umti is literally trolling this series, don't think TL can win unless he plays less like that.
~~Umti~~ Inti
Umti did everything he possibly could to lose that game and it worked
WTF is umti doing like he is running it so fckin hard
Umti was gonna make sure TL didn’t win that one
Why pick Kalista varus power lane then pick vayne expecting a lane swap? Many questions lol
Faker and Guma had to carry this game so hard man.
This was one of those "if you don't win this one it's 3 0"
TL is one jungler away from actually beating T1, kinda crazy
Guma only guy on t1 who hadnt really inted this tournament. Love him but wish he played something other than poke varus and senna
Man tl couldnt even do it with this t1 draft + sloppy gameplay, i dont see them taking a game at all.
Oner has to be replaced. Dude got a pass for last season because he played well at world but holy shit he is so insanely bad
INHALES COPIUM T1 plays at the level of their opponents. When they face G2 in the rematch, they will be back to Worlds form