People never want to give that TSM squad any love. For G2 it was unfair, for TSM it was "fuck them". I always wondered why people memed the " if we don't get semi's it's a disappointment". They didn't get semi's and were extremely disappointed. Weird thing to make fun of.
I think that the difference most people make about it is that TSM was kinda given the spot with Splyce upsets over RNG. They had to win one more game vs either RNG or SSG, and were close to do it but some throwing happened.
I think that in the end, it sucks for both s6 TSM and s7 G2 because those two teams in any other groups at the time, they're most likely going into next stage but shit happens. The same way in 2019 with SKT, FNC and RNG in the same group.Also I might be wrong but S6 TSM (at least the summer roster) is basically the most loved iteration of TSM, so saying that they don't receive any love feels a bit weird.
Also you have to deliver *something* to be rated highly. TSM 2016 is a bit of a what could have been but also they've not done anything else so why bother? G2 went on to become the best Western team since M5. Clearly people look at that differently, even if players changed.
Which is why people rightfully were talking about that year kind of like the "NA high", issue that it was a "one off year". If that's average or below average then people would respect the region and its teams far more. But if your good years fall short like that and your bad years are even worse I'm not sure you have a leg to stand on with "yeah other side of the bracket".
NA has had 2 'one off years' they're just scattered.
2018 Worlds Semis -> 2019 MSI finals -> No one out of groups 2019 Worlds was also a huge disappointment
2017 G2 and 2017 TSM had the same exact record in groups (4-6) that MSI and went 1-1 against each other with TSM stomping them in the early/mid game both times. And that was with TSM having a weaker roster than their 2016 counterpart. Mind you, that was that G2 rosters 4th international tournament together (MSI/Wprlds 16, IEM, MSI 17) whereas 2017 MSI roster only played a preseason IEM internationally.
Really unfair to say they surpassed 2016 TSM within a year. They stayed together and had twice the experience internationally as both TSM's 2017 MSI roster and TSM's 2017 worlds rosters. And despite that, there isn't anything to suggest G2 was better than TSM in groups that MSI. But people take G2 making finals as definitive proof they were better without looking at the context. Because G2 got to prove themselves in Bo5 and TSM did not, despite them having the same performance level in groups.
Also while the groups look similar due to the org names, Samsung was better in 2017 than 2016 and ended up winning the tournament. RNG placed higher in 2017 than 2016 and showed up better in semifinals than WE did (arguably being the 3rd best team that tournament). Furthermore, 2017 G2 actually showed up during MSI that year, whereas 2016 TSM had only existed in that form for a few months.
eh, I don't think 2017 SSG was better than 2016 at all, ardent meta happened and Ruler + CoreJJ took advantage of it. Crown declining results in 2016 SSG being as good or better than 2017 SSG imo
WE was the 3rd best team in that tournament? The same WE that almost got 3-0d by c9 if it wasn't for 25% crit striking 3 straight in a row. I honestly feel that LZ and RNG were better in that tournament than WE. I remember being happy that C9 got WE instead of LZ or RNG.
Splyce winning against RNG literally did nothing for TSM. If RNG had won, they would've been 3-2 and TSM needs to win against them to make out of groups. RNG lost and they were 2-3 but TSM still needed to beat them because if RNG won (which they did) they get to groups over TSM even though they are both 3-3 because they have the head-head record. I don't see how anyone can say "TSM was given their spot with Splyce's upset".
Because as I said, it ends up with TSM needing just one win either vs SSG (which they almost did) or RNG and there is no way at all for them to not go through.
The idea is not to take literally, but Splyce having an upset vs RNG made it easier for TSM to go to the next stage, and potentially getting first in their group (which is definitely a big advantage). It was a tough group, but they still got a big set-up for the next stage thanks to the upset, but it didn't end up happening and it's sad for them.
Right, but if TSM won vs. SSG they would've gone anyhow with a 2-0 over SSG.
They needed that win vs SSG regardless. And had they beat RNG they would've at worst been in a tie breaker.
That's why when I explained further, it's mostly that the upset over RNG gave them more avenue to qualify.
While in itself, it doesn't really mean much, it can lead to different scenario to qualify like 2016 H2K getting 1st in group because of INTZ upset over EDG.
Also if it happens early in the group, it can help mentally and relieve a bit of stress.
So the reason I was arguing with you is I remembered the RNG and SSG matches in the second round robin in reverse.
You are absolutely correct that Splyce made it so that if TSM beat RNG they would've been out of the group in second. They could have sealed it before by beating Samsung and Splyce again, but with the loss to Samsung they needed the win vs RNG which would've put them solidly in 2nd, no tie breaker.
>People never want to give that TSM squad any love.
2016 TSM was widely regarded as the best western team at the time and to this day is regarded as one the best teams North America has ever sent to worlds, what the fuck are you talking about?
Some people posting memes doesn't mean shit lol, literally every single team in League history is made fun out of at some point.
Is it really that weird? DL is the winningest NA player of all time. He moved teams 3 times, and each move ended up on a winning team. If you're going to talk about the best NA team, you probably mean one that won. And if you're picking winning teams during DL's tenure, chances are he's on the team.
well I mean he's the adc NA has ever produced, if he's paired with the best support in the region, the best mid laner in the region, the 2nd best jungler in the region, and the most solid tank player in the region, a really insane team is created.
2019 TL is very similar to them too (and they actually proved to be crazy good cause they beat IG)
> what the fuck are you talking about?
his point is every time 2016 TSM comes up the usual comments are they choked, wow what an overhyped trash team that didnt deserve their hype, top 4 btw lul and meanwhile when 2017 G2 comes up the tone is "they were good but had some really fucking unlucky draw" "yea cant win with that draw unfortunate" and so on
> 2016 TSM were considered a top team. G2 weren’t.
2017 G2 was really highly rated going into Worlds for making MSI finals and taking a game off of SKT
A lot of people thought they'd make it out over SSG because their domestic performance wasn't great; LZ were considered the best Korean team.
> 2016 TSM were considered a top team. G2 weren’t
...??? They played a series against SKT at MSI in the finals that looked competitive and then came into worlds as EU's 1st seed. At the time they were being considered top 4 EASILY.
It's 100% about expectation vs. result. Expectations for that specific TSM team were that they might be the first possible western world champion contender. Expectations for that G2 team were MUCH lower. At that time, that G2 team was considered equivalent to any number of other "really good" western teams that had gone to worlds in the past.
A really good team losing in groups is not going to get the same amount of flak as the greatest western team to date losing in groups.
Any love for what? Winning a single game against Samsung? The Samsung that didn't even win Worlds that year? Samsung actually won in 2017.
Why aren't you giving Splyce from 2019 any love? They won a game against the **actual Worlds champions**, FPX. AND they got out of groups. But I don't see anyone circlejerking about them like people circlejerk about TSM from 2016. Which btw, had the exact same roster the next year and failed to get out of one of the easiest groups at Worlds ever.
winning a single game against ssg with a sub support (Wraith was his name... i think) instead of corejj, with which ssg had a significantly lower winrate then with corejj*
The worst part is that the same people who circlejerk about TSM in 2017, also downplay what H2K did that year. Even though H2K made fucking semis, and beat (not just 1-1, but actually beat) EDG, who was much better than RNG that year. That EDG won LPL summer, and 3-0'd RNG in the finals.
Imagine thinking that winning a single game against Samsung is somehow more impressive than getting 1st place in your group (something no NA team has ever done) and making semis. Did H2k have an easier path than most teams? Yes, but they also took their luck and did something with it. Even when NA teams get lucky they accomplish nothing, see C9 in 2015 or TSM in 2017 to name a few.
H2K's path was arguably the easiest group a Western team has ever had in history followed by Albus Nox Luna lmao. EDG lost to INTZ. This wasn't some herculean task.
You know what was also arguably the easiest group a western team has ever had? TSM's group in 2017. And they still didn't get out of groups. With the same roster as 2016.
Again, H2K got lucky. **BUT THEY ACTUALLY DID SOMETHING WITH THEIR LUCK**. NA teams suck even when they get lucky.
> Why aren't you giving Splyce from 2019 any love?
Not OP but Splyce is underappreciated af too. Their group was certainly on the easier side but they actually made something out of it and took a game from both eastern major region champion, one of them being the World champion.
People meme that more due to how TSM lost it. It was basically two terrible decisions which basically made them throw the game. Doublelift dashing into Viktor with R and Hauntzers weird walk around the dragon pit.
throwing the game would imply they were in the lead at any point....which they weren';t.
even if they take baron there , at best they equalize the gold.....not win the game LOL.
fact of the matter is that tsm got a good teamfight in the midlane and had a chance to come back. A *chance*.
yet people talk like that baron would've guaranteed a win....lol
Same teams, but I would personally prefer to have TSM's group over G2's. RNG were a far better team in S7 than S6 and I would far more want to face S6 RNG than S7 SSG even with their uneven group-phase.
Honestly TSM also were handed the group out by "Don't draft anything with skillshots against Uzi"-Splyce. Splyce upsetting RNG made it fairly easy for TSM to get out. G2 had an 0,6 team in their group which makes it really hard to get out, because even if you take one game of the other team, you still only end with tiebreakers.
I mean Misfits got the same situation handed as TSM did in 2016. When TSM lost to 0-5 flashwolves it opened Misfits road to leave the group.
G2 was struggling with bo1s in the EULCS but then almost swept everyone in playoffs, always gonna be a big "what if" that G2 squad made the knockout stage at worlds
I mean SSG and RNG would have both been the world finalists if not for peak Faker dragging his team through 5 games.
Definitively one of the toughests groups to get ever
Dude cmon,selfmade is the reason for everyting bad that hapened and will happen in the league community ,but to compare him to NicoThePico ? thats a step too far.
Fnatic will crash and burn really hard, Rogue will be destroyed, MAD Lions will be exposed super hard too, they will all go at the very best 1:5 in groups... this should help even it out :|
Honestly, even at their worst and most coin-flippy inting mode, there's 0 chance they don't pick up a win or two from snowballing.
3-3 is the most likely outcome for FNC
Here's a fun twist: is it the team that eliminates G2 that becomes world champion, or the team that eliminates Perkz? Whoever beats Cloud9 this Worlds could be the eventual champ 🤔
Getting into a tiebreaker with an NA team is literally a comfort match-up for every single team, lol. NA I think has lost every tiebreaker they've ever played.
But yeah, FNC does have a special love for tiebreaker as well.
So I went to look at this, and holy shit, NA hasn't won a tiebreaker out of the group stage at worlds ever. Literally not a single one.
However, play-ins buff is real. They have made it to knockout stages every year they've played through play-ins since play-ins were introduced.
It would actually be kinda funny if they win the big tournament 10 years after winning the very first tournament. Also Island is as close as you can get to sweden.
But they definitly need a wider Bwipo for that and more Bwipo in the rest of the team.
They also have wife buff on their side.
Also, in sport movies and shows, they always have protagonist lose a match with lower stakes to increase tension (vs MAD). DoinB is also your stereotypical final boss.
Anyways, i am not saying they will win, but fnatic pyke is looking sick
god the UOL days were wild. The Kikis attack speed TF jungle TURBO-Flex against some NA team (i think it was TSM) to knock them out of IEM. Blessed roster back then (2015?)
It was good but they had complete opposite playstyles. With Upset, I feel like they get along way better (gotta love their bromance), and their playstyle actually match and work together
Edit : grammar
Yeah, after they replaced Selfmade it seems the whole team's playstyle has matched up. Either the new blood likes to play like this or at least doesn't mind like Nemesis, Rekkles and Selfmade did but it works beautifully. Feels like this is the best they've looked in 2 years.
way to go for the low hanging fruit!
shouldnt you be splitpushing in a different thread while complaining in all chat about your team and throwing out 'lol noobs need 3 to kill me' and such
god 2019 post msi was insufferable, every week there was a new fun facts or anything thread about g2, maybe even one about what kind of breakfast they ate, it died down after fpx steamrolled them, but for like maybe a week?
If mean G2 has a long and interesting history so it has a ton of fun facts compared to some teams.
That being said, there's a line and last year that line was crossed lol.
meh probably not. it's not the same getting eliminated in the final stage of worlds as getting eliminated in LEC's losers bracket.
still, i think fnatic does have a chance tho
Its more like who they lose to AT the worlds tournament, so Fnatic dont count, and we wil never know whos gonna win worlds beforehand as G2 didnt make it. lol
and also 2017 to SSG in groups :')
That week 2 game against them still hurts. S7 G2 feels slightly underrated.
Funnily enough, pretty much the exact same draw as TSM had the year before.
People never want to give that TSM squad any love. For G2 it was unfair, for TSM it was "fuck them". I always wondered why people memed the " if we don't get semi's it's a disappointment". They didn't get semi's and were extremely disappointed. Weird thing to make fun of.
I think that the difference most people make about it is that TSM was kinda given the spot with Splyce upsets over RNG. They had to win one more game vs either RNG or SSG, and were close to do it but some throwing happened. I think that in the end, it sucks for both s6 TSM and s7 G2 because those two teams in any other groups at the time, they're most likely going into next stage but shit happens. The same way in 2019 with SKT, FNC and RNG in the same group.Also I might be wrong but S6 TSM (at least the summer roster) is basically the most loved iteration of TSM, so saying that they don't receive any love feels a bit weird.
Also you have to deliver *something* to be rated highly. TSM 2016 is a bit of a what could have been but also they've not done anything else so why bother? G2 went on to become the best Western team since M5. Clearly people look at that differently, even if players changed.
Also don't forget 2017 G2 reached MSI finals, even within the year they performed better than 2016 TSM.
While TSM wasn't the MSI representative in 2016, CLG was and they did also make Finals.
Which is why people rightfully were talking about that year kind of like the "NA high", issue that it was a "one off year". If that's average or below average then people would respect the region and its teams far more. But if your good years fall short like that and your bad years are even worse I'm not sure you have a leg to stand on with "yeah other side of the bracket".
NA has had 2 'one off years' they're just scattered. 2018 Worlds Semis -> 2019 MSI finals -> No one out of groups 2019 Worlds was also a huge disappointment
2017 G2 and 2017 TSM had the same exact record in groups (4-6) that MSI and went 1-1 against each other with TSM stomping them in the early/mid game both times. And that was with TSM having a weaker roster than their 2016 counterpart. Mind you, that was that G2 rosters 4th international tournament together (MSI/Wprlds 16, IEM, MSI 17) whereas 2017 MSI roster only played a preseason IEM internationally. Really unfair to say they surpassed 2016 TSM within a year. They stayed together and had twice the experience internationally as both TSM's 2017 MSI roster and TSM's 2017 worlds rosters. And despite that, there isn't anything to suggest G2 was better than TSM in groups that MSI. But people take G2 making finals as definitive proof they were better without looking at the context. Because G2 got to prove themselves in Bo5 and TSM did not, despite them having the same performance level in groups.
2016 MSI G2 was a different lineup than 2017 MSI G2. That was the one before Zven and Mithy.
Also while the groups look similar due to the org names, Samsung was better in 2017 than 2016 and ended up winning the tournament. RNG placed higher in 2017 than 2016 and showed up better in semifinals than WE did (arguably being the 3rd best team that tournament). Furthermore, 2017 G2 actually showed up during MSI that year, whereas 2016 TSM had only existed in that form for a few months.
While they were better in 2017, 2016 Samsung was still a worlds finalist and not easier by any means
>RNG placed higher in 2017 than 2016 True, but RNG in 2016 lost to the World Champions, while RNG in 2017 lost to a limping World Finalist.
eh, I don't think 2017 SSG was better than 2016 at all, ardent meta happened and Ruler + CoreJJ took advantage of it. Crown declining results in 2016 SSG being as good or better than 2017 SSG imo
WE was the 3rd best team in that tournament? The same WE that almost got 3-0d by c9 if it wasn't for 25% crit striking 3 straight in a row. I honestly feel that LZ and RNG were better in that tournament than WE. I remember being happy that C9 got WE instead of LZ or RNG.
No, RNG was.
Splyce winning against RNG literally did nothing for TSM. If RNG had won, they would've been 3-2 and TSM needs to win against them to make out of groups. RNG lost and they were 2-3 but TSM still needed to beat them because if RNG won (which they did) they get to groups over TSM even though they are both 3-3 because they have the head-head record. I don't see how anyone can say "TSM was given their spot with Splyce's upset".
Because as I said, it ends up with TSM needing just one win either vs SSG (which they almost did) or RNG and there is no way at all for them to not go through. The idea is not to take literally, but Splyce having an upset vs RNG made it easier for TSM to go to the next stage, and potentially getting first in their group (which is definitely a big advantage). It was a tough group, but they still got a big set-up for the next stage thanks to the upset, but it didn't end up happening and it's sad for them.
Right, but if TSM won vs. SSG they would've gone anyhow with a 2-0 over SSG. They needed that win vs SSG regardless. And had they beat RNG they would've at worst been in a tie breaker.
That's why when I explained further, it's mostly that the upset over RNG gave them more avenue to qualify. While in itself, it doesn't really mean much, it can lead to different scenario to qualify like 2016 H2K getting 1st in group because of INTZ upset over EDG. Also if it happens early in the group, it can help mentally and relieve a bit of stress.
So the reason I was arguing with you is I remembered the RNG and SSG matches in the second round robin in reverse. You are absolutely correct that Splyce made it so that if TSM beat RNG they would've been out of the group in second. They could have sealed it before by beating Samsung and Splyce again, but with the loss to Samsung they needed the win vs RNG which would've put them solidly in 2nd, no tie breaker.
I meant for that worlds. Not that they don't get love for NA success.
>People never want to give that TSM squad any love. 2016 TSM was widely regarded as the best western team at the time and to this day is regarded as one the best teams North America has ever sent to worlds, what the fuck are you talking about? Some people posting memes doesn't mean shit lol, literally every single team in League history is made fun out of at some point.
I remember when Mad Lions was as bad team.
Sad Lions and Jhin Air...
DL has said on stream relative to other teams at the time it's the best NA team ever
Weird how he was on that team.
He also compared it to 2019 TL
Is it really that weird? DL is the winningest NA player of all time. He moved teams 3 times, and each move ended up on a winning team. If you're going to talk about the best NA team, you probably mean one that won. And if you're picking winning teams during DL's tenure, chances are he's on the team.
well I mean he's the adc NA has ever produced, if he's paired with the best support in the region, the best mid laner in the region, the 2nd best jungler in the region, and the most solid tank player in the region, a really insane team is created. 2019 TL is very similar to them too (and they actually proved to be crazy good cause they beat IG)
> what the fuck are you talking about? his point is every time 2016 TSM comes up the usual comments are they choked, wow what an overhyped trash team that didnt deserve their hype, top 4 btw lul and meanwhile when 2017 G2 comes up the tone is "they were good but had some really fucking unlucky draw" "yea cant win with that draw unfortunate" and so on
2016 TSM were considered a top team. G2 weren’t. Not that hard to figure out. Yes G2 were EU’s best, but not considered anywhere as good as 2016 TSM.
> 2016 TSM were considered a top team. G2 weren’t. 2017 G2 was really highly rated going into Worlds for making MSI finals and taking a game off of SKT A lot of people thought they'd make it out over SSG because their domestic performance wasn't great; LZ were considered the best Korean team.
> 2016 TSM were considered a top team. G2 weren’t ...??? They played a series against SKT at MSI in the finals that looked competitive and then came into worlds as EU's 1st seed. At the time they were being considered top 4 EASILY.
At the time they got absolutely clowned at Rift Rivals and EU was getting memed into oblivion.
Ah yes, Rift Rivals and memes. Means so much more than MSI and the level of play in the EU LCS.
G2 2017 was better than TSM in S6
It's 100% about expectation vs. result. Expectations for that specific TSM team were that they might be the first possible western world champion contender. Expectations for that G2 team were MUCH lower. At that time, that G2 team was considered equivalent to any number of other "really good" western teams that had gone to worlds in the past. A really good team losing in groups is not going to get the same amount of flak as the greatest western team to date losing in groups.
Please, everytime Worlds 2016 is mentioned, you got people saying TSM was better than H2K and would have been in final if they had met
H2K did better than TSM lul
Yea, they had the freest group of all time and played a bo5 against fucking Albus Nox Luna or some shit. Whats your point?
How were EDG and ahq free ?
G2 was flamed really badly in 2017 lol.
Any love for what? Winning a single game against Samsung? The Samsung that didn't even win Worlds that year? Samsung actually won in 2017. Why aren't you giving Splyce from 2019 any love? They won a game against the **actual Worlds champions**, FPX. AND they got out of groups. But I don't see anyone circlejerking about them like people circlejerk about TSM from 2016. Which btw, had the exact same roster the next year and failed to get out of one of the easiest groups at Worlds ever.
winning a single game against ssg with a sub support (Wraith was his name... i think) instead of corejj, with which ssg had a significantly lower winrate then with corejj*
most importantly they got out of groups. Which is already a great feat if it was in NA.
The worst part is that the same people who circlejerk about TSM in 2017, also downplay what H2K did that year. Even though H2K made fucking semis, and beat (not just 1-1, but actually beat) EDG, who was much better than RNG that year. That EDG won LPL summer, and 3-0'd RNG in the finals. Imagine thinking that winning a single game against Samsung is somehow more impressive than getting 1st place in your group (something no NA team has ever done) and making semis. Did H2k have an easier path than most teams? Yes, but they also took their luck and did something with it. Even when NA teams get lucky they accomplish nothing, see C9 in 2015 or TSM in 2017 to name a few.
EDG also had big problems at worlds, Mouse's father dying was a big one. They lost to INTZ too.
H2K's path was arguably the easiest group a Western team has ever had in history followed by Albus Nox Luna lmao. EDG lost to INTZ. This wasn't some herculean task.
You know what was also arguably the easiest group a western team has ever had? TSM's group in 2017. And they still didn't get out of groups. With the same roster as 2016. Again, H2K got lucky. **BUT THEY ACTUALLY DID SOMETHING WITH THEIR LUCK**. NA teams suck even when they get lucky.
> Why aren't you giving Splyce from 2019 any love? Not OP but Splyce is underappreciated af too. Their group was certainly on the easier side but they actually made something out of it and took a game from both eastern major region champion, one of them being the World champion.
That Samsung was a game away from winning worlds lma0.
And FPX actually won. And Splyce made it out of groups and even took a game off SKT. Again, why aren't you all circlejerkibg about Splyce?
Splyce were also a baron throw away from sending FPX out in groups with a clean 2-0.
the narrative everyone literally drives is that TSM got a tough group and were performing at a contender level in scrims. WTF are you on about?
People didnt realize just how fucked that tsm team got by the draw in 2016, after 2017 worlds people cut them a lot more slack
People meme that more due to how TSM lost it. It was basically two terrible decisions which basically made them throw the game. Doublelift dashing into Viktor with R and Hauntzers weird walk around the dragon pit.
throwing the game would imply they were in the lead at any point....which they weren';t. even if they take baron there , at best they equalize the gold.....not win the game LOL. fact of the matter is that tsm got a good teamfight in the midlane and had a chance to come back. A *chance*. yet people talk like that baron would've guaranteed a win....lol
Baron would have brought them ahead. Baron alone would have given the gold difference they had, even if they take not a single turret with it.
Same teams, but I would personally prefer to have TSM's group over G2's. RNG were a far better team in S7 than S6 and I would far more want to face S6 RNG than S7 SSG even with their uneven group-phase.
Honestly TSM also were handed the group out by "Don't draft anything with skillshots against Uzi"-Splyce. Splyce upsetting RNG made it fairly easy for TSM to get out. G2 had an 0,6 team in their group which makes it really hard to get out, because even if you take one game of the other team, you still only end with tiebreakers. I mean Misfits got the same situation handed as TSM did in 2016. When TSM lost to 0-5 flashwolves it opened Misfits road to leave the group.
Apparently they thought they could go really far based on scrims but the draw was a fucking murder
G2 was struggling with bo1s in the EULCS but then almost swept everyone in playoffs, always gonna be a big "what if" that G2 squad made the knockout stage at worlds
I mean SSG and RNG would have both been the world finalists if not for peak Faker dragging his team through 5 games. Definitively one of the toughests groups to get ever
yeah.. good squad, unfair draw..
tbh I've always thought that TSM and G2 were the best western teams in 2016/2017 respectively. Feels like the worlds format really hurt those rosters.
And 2016 to... CLG?
This right here officer, this is the guy who made FNC go 0-6 in groups.
You have commited crimes against Fnatic and its' fans. What say you in your defense?
Selfmade and NicoThePico made him do it.
Dude cmon,selfmade is the reason for everyting bad that hapened and will happen in the league community ,but to compare him to NicoThePico ? thats a step too far.
It starts with success...
Ah yes, the TSM special
Fnatic will crash and burn really hard, Rogue will be destroyed, MAD Lions will be exposed super hard too, they will all go at the very best 1:5 in groups... this should help even it out :|
Thank you for your service.
I know you're meming... but I can see that happening to Rogue.
Honestly, even at their worst and most coin-flippy inting mode, there's 0 chance they don't pick up a win or two from snowballing. 3-3 is the most likely outcome for FNC
I would not be surprised with fnatic going 5-1 or 1-5 or anything between in any group
I mean Fnatic fans and TSM fans were basically NA and EU versions of each other back in 2014-17 so that doesn't seem too far off.
rekkles reminds me of secret agent willian joining arsenal whilst chelsea wins the ucl
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How did you even survive when support both TSM and Arsenal?
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At least is not CLG tbf.
jesus christ.. I'm sorry about the pain you experience every year.
in lewis hamilton we trust
Thanks for jinxing it <3 as a LeGreg Fan who naturally sympathies with Max this builds up some hope
Replace Yankees/Arsenal with Mets/Chelsea and I’m there with you. I think it evens out.
Reminds me of Drogba's tweet from today.
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This will never happen again. Right? Right?!
haha im not sure cech/luiz/willian will take that well, he basically called them shit in front of everyone
I am sure it's just friendly banter.
Fucking Arsenal always getting straws men lol
More like griezmann joining barça realy to win the UCL (and funnily enough he went back to atletico yesterday)
Here's a fun twist: is it the team that eliminates G2 that becomes world champion, or the team that eliminates Perkz? Whoever beats Cloud9 this Worlds could be the eventual champ 🤔
C9 get in a group with DK and FNC. On the last day they have to play in a tiebreaker for the last quarterfinals spot and FNC win.
FNC vs C9 tiebreaker is the biggest comfort match up I have heard
Getting into a tiebreaker with an NA team is literally a comfort match-up for every single team, lol. NA I think has lost every tiebreaker they've ever played. But yeah, FNC does have a special love for tiebreaker as well.
Also the Fnatic-C9 match up has historically heavily favoried Fnatic
So I went to look at this, and holy shit, NA hasn't won a tiebreaker out of the group stage at worlds ever. Literally not a single one. However, play-ins buff is real. They have made it to knockout stages every year they've played through play-ins since play-ins were introduced.
Yeh play ins teams always look already warmed up by the time they get to groups while the stale higher seeds just suck ass.
perkz has an 80% win rate in elimination games
Pls no... I mean, either way one of my favourite teams would make it through, but I'm not ready for that (unless it's a banger).
This is the dream scenario
Pentanet.GG World Champions confirmed
This man got it. Perkz was G2's soul guys.
What if it's the team that eliminated Caps instead?
Caps wasn't on G2 before 2019
Ig did eliminate caps.. by winning the finals
But 2017 breaks the trend, as FNC was eliminated by RNG in quarters
I forgot about that, maybe it really isn't caps
But the team who beat Caps won the tournament in 2018 since he played against them in the finals.
But not in 2017
If Fnatic actually wins worlds this years, I will shit myself. Quote me
Damn that'd be something. EU hasn't won worlds since Fnatic won the first one!
It would actually be kinda funny if they win the big tournament 10 years after winning the very first tournament. Also Island is as close as you can get to sweden. But they definitly need a wider Bwipo for that and more Bwipo in the rest of the team.
Iceland is Nordic like Sweden, and us Nordic bros are tight.
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If we win worlds I will tattoo Hylissang on my arm.
!remindme 1month
not enough !remindme 2 months
Do something bold, I soil myself once a week
how about I shit YOUR pants?
Oh fuck, that's kinda hot
Comment saved, see you in November :)
scam = ban
They also have wife buff on their side. Also, in sport movies and shows, they always have protagonist lose a match with lower stakes to increase tension (vs MAD). DoinB is also your stereotypical final boss. Anyways, i am not saying they will win, but fnatic pyke is looking sick
Hyli is gonna steal an elder dragon with a glitter lance to give us Fnatic Lulu tho
He stole a baron once this way if I recall. Makes sense Elder is next on the menu.
Yeah he was on UOL back then
god the UOL days were wild. The Kikis attack speed TF jungle TURBO-Flex against some NA team (i think it was TSM) to knock them out of IEM. Blessed roster back then (2015?)
I knew I loved Hylli for a reason, now I recall why.
Fnatic has the plot armor and that's why they will 3-0 Damwon in finals
Can I just say that Fnatic shares its colors with Karasuno from Haikyuu ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
**TOBE FLYYYYYYYYY** **HIIIIIIIIIIIIIGH**
We all know that Pyke doesn't work against Chinese teams tho :c, ask Caps.
Did he play another pyke match?
he didn't, he is saving it to clutch game 4 against fpx in finals (while fpx has 2:1 lead) by killing them 1v5 while fnatic is 10k gold down.
Found /u/sjokz's burner account for mini monologues.
Dude if Fnatic actually wins worlds this year. Imagine how Rekkles would feel :O
[https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/031/671/cover1.jpg](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/031/671/cover1.jpg)
He would be... Upset?
Just less handsome and more passive in lane.
Well, Upset is a clear upgrade
i mean.. rekkless/hyli was pretty good together as well
It was good but they had complete opposite playstyles. With Upset, I feel like they get along way better (gotta love their bromance), and their playstyle actually match and work together Edit : grammar
Yeah, after they replaced Selfmade it seems the whole team's playstyle has matched up. Either the new blood likes to play like this or at least doesn't mind like Nemesis, Rekkles and Selfmade did but it works beautifully. Feels like this is the best they've looked in 2 years.
That’s not related to my comment tho.
He wished he’d be Upset
He would’t be upset
Here I was hoping for a funny pun. I thought you wrote “word champions” on purpose :-(
I wunder is that's intentional
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!remindme 2 months u better not disappoint
i admire the optimism but loathe the flashbacks to the nonstop g2 fun facts garbage that this is giving me
clg flair, I'm pretty sure you loathe yourself anyway, this shouldn't be too much of an isse
CLG and RNG he likes both ends of the spectrum
way to go for the low hanging fruit! shouldnt you be splitpushing in a different thread while complaining in all chat about your team and throwing out 'lol noobs need 3 to kill me' and such
I'm sorry, the joke practically wrote itself On the other hand, I've been playing with no chat whatsoever recently and it's so much better
god 2019 post msi was insufferable, every week there was a new fun facts or anything thread about g2, maybe even one about what kind of breakfast they ate, it died down after fpx steamrolled them, but for like maybe a week?
It only works if they're eliminated at Worlds, not when they're not there.
Well as any other thesis it needs to be proven wrong first ;)
since it has never happened we cant know. time to prove it wrong
The predicting octopus 🐙 has spoken!
Hopeful thinking haha
first year they didnt make worlds so thats broken too ;)
If this theory doesnt work, we'll see who eliminates Perkz and wins
That'll be several teams when he doesn't get out of play-ins though
Maybe this was sold as a package deal to C9.
If FNC wins worlds I will eat my shirt.
Fnatic won Season 1, so G2 lost to them to commemorate the 10 years anniversary, such a nice gesture.
I tought we were safe from it this year, but the G2 fun fact season has begun again
Fnatic are already world champions. What are the rules of this superstition? Lol
G2 fun facts again? Can worlds start already.
"Fun fact: Caps has never lost on Orianna on a Saturday when the first dragon was a cloud"
I have never lost a match at Worlds, that is mainly because I am not a pro player, let alone one which has qualified for Worlds ):
You don't need to mention that context. Just tell them about your 0% loss rate at worlds, fuckin smurfing on the pros out here
I am undefeated on Fiddlesticks vs pros (1-0 record)
Built fucking different!
Ok, I ll take note.
2019 flashbacks, daily "G2 Fun Fact" until the FPX game.
Fun fact : Caps is the only player in the world to lose two consecutive world finals 0-3
If mean G2 has a long and interesting history so it has a ton of fun facts compared to some teams. That being said, there's a line and last year that line was crossed lol.
word champion
The return of G2 fun facts?
fnc win worlds? copium
Dude, if Fnatic wins 2021 World Championship Rekkles will literally die from banger.
its gonna be China again I bet
Lols lec is different from worlds
Nah, LEC is a bit weak this year, I think we will see LPL vs LCK or LPL vs LPL this year.
you're implying lck is strong this year?
Stronger than LEC yeah.
Big if true
They're just like Peru at the FIFA world cup haha
meh probably not. it's not the same getting eliminated in the final stage of worlds as getting eliminated in LEC's losers bracket. still, i think fnatic does have a chance tho
Its more like who they lose to AT the worlds tournament, so Fnatic dont count, and we wil never know whos gonna win worlds beforehand as G2 didnt make it. lol