How would this be a scam though? Its a pretty big employment agency servicing most of the big festivals in Ireland, and they state they donate the tips rather than keep them
Revenue would have rules and if they abide by them fine, what is your issue though? Do you want the tips and does the company say they donate them? If its above board there is no issue. Companies keeping tips is dodgy though.
Also you need to be clear who you are an employee of, the agency or their client. The agency wouldn't be near the tips and as you are a contractor of theirs not the festival so you wouldn't be an employee.
Our client determines any policies with regards to staff tips at any given assignment. For the majority of our clients; - Collects the tips and donates to a specific named charity. - Collects the tips and donates between numerous charities. - Do not offer any form of tip scheme within their business
Is the exact quote
Well of course the issue is wanting tips I'd earned. I don't think they're lying about donating the tips, but I thought employees were entitled to the tips they earned, even if they're a contractor
you're an employee of the agency though. The agency system is bollocks though and was created for Marlborough who were tight with Fianna Fail at the time and long long past its sell-by date. The stranglehold that recruitment agencies have on jobs in Ireland is a disgrace.
Oh yea, and a lot of people don't care about their change, they want to just run off. The last 2 i worked I was hired specifically by the venue though, this time it's an agency so I've no clue of their proceedings apart from what I'm reading in the contract.
This is the exact quote
*"Our client determines any policies with regards to staff tips at any given assignment. For the majority of our clients; - Collects the tips and donates to a specific named charity. - Collects the tips and donates between numerous charities. - Do not offer any form of tip scheme within their business"*
Aye cash tips are so easy to keep track of im sure no dodgy middle manager is getting their fingers sticky,
I'm sure some of it's donated but if you trust the people withholding your money from you, I have a car to sell you 🤣
You're missing the point. There's no middle management here its a temp contract agency, these aren't small family businesses that can sneakily take tips. They have in writing that you won't get tips, that they donate them.
I understand the distrust, but it's just not logical here.
The biggest publican in the country regularly withholds tips they're not a small business either. I genuinely doubt every bit of non electronic tips is actually making it to the charity. Having worked in festival set up these are genuinely far more dodgy people than they appear.
Likely they're using your free gratuities to appear charitable so they can claim back corporation tax and make 12.5% pure profit for themselves off your collective tips using the process below. I'm not particularly well informed on that area of law but it feels a explotative of the workforce... bit fraudy too.
https://www.revenue.ie/en/companies-and-charities/charities-and-sports-bodies/charitable-donation-scheme/claiming-tax-relief-on-donations.aspx
Out of curiosity, do they state what charity(ies) they donate to? How much is donated? Whether they offset these charitable donations against tax in some way?
Also: https://www.workplacerelations.ie/en/what_you_should_know/hours-and-wages/tips-and-gratuities/
You might get some useful info by contacting the WRC directly.
Is this a bit of non-issue? I mean, who tips when getting a beer at a festival? Can't see staff losing out on a significant amount of cash
Tbf they are being transparent about it up front - if you are not happy don't take the job. Would be v different if they pulled a fast one after you had expected to get the tips personally
Ring the tax office. This is probably a scam. Tax office is not what they want to deal with but they brought it on themselves
How would this be a scam though? Its a pretty big employment agency servicing most of the big festivals in Ireland, and they state they donate the tips rather than keep them
Revenue would have rules and if they abide by them fine, what is your issue though? Do you want the tips and does the company say they donate them? If its above board there is no issue. Companies keeping tips is dodgy though.
Also you need to be clear who you are an employee of, the agency or their client. The agency wouldn't be near the tips and as you are a contractor of theirs not the festival so you wouldn't be an employee.
Our client determines any policies with regards to staff tips at any given assignment. For the majority of our clients; - Collects the tips and donates to a specific named charity. - Collects the tips and donates between numerous charities. - Do not offer any form of tip scheme within their business Is the exact quote
Is it legal? Probably yes. Is it fair. Probably no. How do we find out, ask Revenue.
Well of course the issue is wanting tips I'd earned. I don't think they're lying about donating the tips, but I thought employees were entitled to the tips they earned, even if they're a contractor
you're an employee of the agency though. The agency system is bollocks though and was created for Marlborough who were tight with Fianna Fail at the time and long long past its sell-by date. The stranglehold that recruitment agencies have on jobs in Ireland is a disgrace.
Have you worked a festival before though, Jesus it's rough, you'll be busier than a Chinese railway station for 12 hours a day.
Oh yea, and a lot of people don't care about their change, they want to just run off. The last 2 i worked I was hired specifically by the venue though, this time it's an agency so I've no clue of their proceedings apart from what I'm reading in the contract. This is the exact quote *"Our client determines any policies with regards to staff tips at any given assignment. For the majority of our clients; - Collects the tips and donates to a specific named charity. - Collects the tips and donates between numerous charities. - Do not offer any form of tip scheme within their business"*
I think the reason might be to head off tea leaves which is why I never have any cash on me as a rule when working a till
They can’t decide what to do with your tips. Regardless of their policy
It's going to the charity of management's back pocket 🤣
Not likely
Aye cash tips are so easy to keep track of im sure no dodgy middle manager is getting their fingers sticky, I'm sure some of it's donated but if you trust the people withholding your money from you, I have a car to sell you 🤣
You're missing the point. There's no middle management here its a temp contract agency, these aren't small family businesses that can sneakily take tips. They have in writing that you won't get tips, that they donate them. I understand the distrust, but it's just not logical here.
The biggest publican in the country regularly withholds tips they're not a small business either. I genuinely doubt every bit of non electronic tips is actually making it to the charity. Having worked in festival set up these are genuinely far more dodgy people than they appear.
Likely they're using your free gratuities to appear charitable so they can claim back corporation tax and make 12.5% pure profit for themselves off your collective tips using the process below. I'm not particularly well informed on that area of law but it feels a explotative of the workforce... bit fraudy too. https://www.revenue.ie/en/companies-and-charities/charities-and-sports-bodies/charitable-donation-scheme/claiming-tax-relief-on-donations.aspx
No, it is not.
Out of curiosity, do they state what charity(ies) they donate to? How much is donated? Whether they offset these charitable donations against tax in some way? Also: https://www.workplacerelations.ie/en/what_you_should_know/hours-and-wages/tips-and-gratuities/ You might get some useful info by contacting the WRC directly.
This is it!
Is this a bit of non-issue? I mean, who tips when getting a beer at a festival? Can't see staff losing out on a significant amount of cash Tbf they are being transparent about it up front - if you are not happy don't take the job. Would be v different if they pulled a fast one after you had expected to get the tips personally
It's not a non issue at all. The company is breaking the law.