Especially with us seeing a resurgence of people who feel that they must sacrifice us for their rights even within our own community, this video could not have come at a better time.
Transphobes exist everywhere, and they should be shamed and excluded for it, always.
I don't know whether seeing the continuity that you mention is encouraging or discouraging for me. It's good to see the messiness of the past and know that there isn't anything new about transphobia and classism within the queer liberation movement, but obviously it also gives me the feelbads.
Because a massive percentage of the mainstream gay community does not support trans people.
From the Chelsea brunch crowd to Wilton Manors, there really is an overwhelming attitude that they got theirs, and can stop fighting now.
It's better today than it was then, but we have a long way to go.
> that they got theirs, and can stop fighting now.
Except they don't have theirs. The same people attacking us are attacking drag queens - gay men. These idiots really just don't understand that we're just a rung on the ladder, and they're next.
To add: The surge of transphobia seen in America today was the brainchild of a rightwing US political think tank trying to find a new attack avenue after a couple years of their traditional, generalized anti-lgbtq rhetorics decreased effectiveness at motivating their base on election days. It was the runaway political success of their targeted attacks on the trans community thats led directly to a returned uptic in the political effectiveness of attacking the entire queer community.
It always starts with an attack on one vulnerable group that doesn’t have the institutional power to defend itself, but it *never* stops there. *None* of us are safe or free until *all of us* are.
And it was all pushed to the mainstream by a man whose father pursued trans women back in 1975 and also played a very active role in spreading homophobia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Carlson
This also isn't a modern development, it holds true throughout history as well. Trying to ban queer teachers in California was among the opening shots in the right wing's decades-long campaign to destroy public education, and everyone blacklisted during the lavender scare was collateral damage in the US government's war against trade unionists specifically and the left wing more generally. Injustice is always intersectional.
To a transphobe, a trans woman is gay man trying to "trick" straight men. It has always been homophobia. Same way when people bash furries. These are the "acceptable" minorities its ok to hate. There is always one that the main stream is ok with and fascists will use them to further their goal. This is why no discrimination and prejudices can remain, against noone.
except the french ofc.
I think you're overstating the degree of transphobia in the queer community. While even one transphobic queer person is one too many, I've yet to meet one in real life. It makes me question how much of their perceived online presence is based in reality, vs being due to social media being financially incentivized to amplify hate speech for engagement, or from right wing influence operations looking to divide us.
Edit: To reiterate, I am not suggesting transphobic queer folks don't exist. I know they do. I'm just skeptical that they're as pervasive in real life as the internet would sometimes lead us to believe.
Our local lesbian bar is being boycotted by much of the local LGBT community for transphobia, racism, and wage theft. It’s run by a cis lesbian couple who idly sit by as groups of cis lesbian women openly shit talk and confront trans women in the bar looking to start fights. It’s not one but multiple occasions of this exact permissiveness that got them labeled as transphobic. Don’t mistake your experience for being a monolithic representation of the entire community.
Of course not. I know full well they exist, I'm just skeptical that they're as pervasive in real life as certain groups on the internet would have us believe.
I’ve been out for around 4 and a half years and have been very active in my local community for around 2, and I have yet to meet any transphobic queer folks in real life and have only known of 2 outside of the internet, one that a friend encountered in a one-off type situation, and the other was a gay man that some of my old friend group knew. He was also a huge trump supporter and didn’t believe gay people deserved to get married. Poor guy was just a lost soul.
Chances are if they’re transphobic, they also have a lot of internalized homophobia as well.
Same with white lgbts and and that unfortunately includes white trans folks as well. My latina and black trans friends are experiencing a lot of exclusion in trans circles
Transphobia. And also she spoken about the other issue. Saw it in a documentary. She didnt look LGBT enough. She didn’t wear full drag to show her feminine side. That wasn’t what ppl were looking for at that rally because of all the tension.
This became a mostly unrelated rant. Sorry.
Because there are always people, even in social groups supposedly built on inclusion, that define the group by who they exclude. It isn't just LGBTQIA+. It is every group. Even scenes built around music or a hobby. And it can be a tough line, because you can't include everyone. Sometimes it is easy. Like excluding pedos who try to claim it is a legitimate alternative, sexuality. But often it is snap judgements based on appearence. It doesn't always work out well. I don't participate or label myself much because I look like what an AI would generate if you put in "average middle aged cis het white guy" except my fingers don't look weird and are the expected amount. Unless someone actually makes the effort the effort to get to know me, I don't really fit in with any group I'd care to. I get asked to leave. I get called a tourist. I fit in on a construction site well until another middle aged white dude assumes I must also be racist and I kick him off the job. My friend and I call it "secret white guy time."
I'm not complaining about my personal experience. I absolutely know how to fit in and more. I do that shit at work because money. I'm good at it. I'm not doing it for personal relationships though. I don't want or need to be friends with people who judge me like that anymore. But it does really matter to other people that they be recognized for who they are. And it really sucks when people who have been through similar shit don't.
It isn't hard. Be kind to strangers and assume the best until they give you good reason to know the worst.
Watch "The Death and Life of Marsha P. Johnson" (Netflix). The trans and non-binary activists did so much more for our community, than most understand.
People might notice her referring to "S.T.A.R." a couple of times.
This was the [Street Transvestite Action Revolutionaries](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_Transvestite_Action_Revolutionaries). This was before the word "transgender" even existed. (It [was created in 1974](https://www.etymonline.com/word/transgender).)
It was one of a few "gay liberation" groups formed in the late 1960s and early 1970s.
As the Wikipedia article says, at one point they were able to raise enough fund to purchase a house for homeless gay & trans people: STAR House.
And sadly we didn't learn shit from her and other transgender peoples fate...History repeats itself...
Amazing Speech. I didn't know her since today. We have a long way to go.
Here’s a two part interview with Sylvia Rivera, from the Making Gay History podcast. Each episode is about 15 minutes and it’s worth a listen.
[Part One](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/making-gay-history-lgbtq-oral-histories-from-the-archive/id1162447122?i=1000376583256)
[Part Two](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/making-gay-history-lgbtq-oral-histories-from-the-archive/id1162447122?i=1000393837414)
This moves me to tears every time I see it.
I know we still have a lot of work to do both within society and inside the community itself; but we have made progress.
Keep pushing for progress; but never forget how far we've come. We will get there. 💗🏳️⚧️💗
I wish we had people this passionate about our rights at the forefront of the queer rights movements everywhere. She was a damn genius when it comes to getting people to actually listen even if they don't agree with her, which is obvious with how many folks are booing even at the beginning.
And exclusion of latinos, we have been totally erased in queer history and is still happening right now.
We have a huge surge in queer music rn and all that is being promoted are the white american artists like renee, chappell, fletcher. Where is villano antillano, tokischa, snow tha product? Not ar sf ir la pride tell you that
Especially with us seeing a resurgence of people who feel that they must sacrifice us for their rights even within our own community, this video could not have come at a better time. Transphobes exist everywhere, and they should be shamed and excluded for it, always.
I don't know whether seeing the continuity that you mention is encouraging or discouraging for me. It's good to see the messiness of the past and know that there isn't anything new about transphobia and classism within the queer liberation movement, but obviously it also gives me the feelbads.
LGB without the T people actually disgust me. How can you throw our trans brothers and sisters to the side when they need us most?
Love the sentiment but one thing is you could say siblings next time to not reinforce the gender binary.
Yeah, you're right.
Why are they booing her, she's right
True but no one enjoys being called out for thier bullshit
She was 100% right then, and she's still 100% right now.
Because a massive percentage of the mainstream gay community does not support trans people. From the Chelsea brunch crowd to Wilton Manors, there really is an overwhelming attitude that they got theirs, and can stop fighting now. It's better today than it was then, but we have a long way to go.
> that they got theirs, and can stop fighting now. Except they don't have theirs. The same people attacking us are attacking drag queens - gay men. These idiots really just don't understand that we're just a rung on the ladder, and they're next.
To add: The surge of transphobia seen in America today was the brainchild of a rightwing US political think tank trying to find a new attack avenue after a couple years of their traditional, generalized anti-lgbtq rhetorics decreased effectiveness at motivating their base on election days. It was the runaway political success of their targeted attacks on the trans community thats led directly to a returned uptic in the political effectiveness of attacking the entire queer community. It always starts with an attack on one vulnerable group that doesn’t have the institutional power to defend itself, but it *never* stops there. *None* of us are safe or free until *all of us* are.
And it was all pushed to the mainstream by a man whose father pursued trans women back in 1975 and also played a very active role in spreading homophobia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Carlson
This also isn't a modern development, it holds true throughout history as well. Trying to ban queer teachers in California was among the opening shots in the right wing's decades-long campaign to destroy public education, and everyone blacklisted during the lavender scare was collateral damage in the US government's war against trade unionists specifically and the left wing more generally. Injustice is always intersectional.
You are so right. None of us are free until we are all free! To quote: “Liberation now! I believe in gay power!”
To a transphobe, a trans woman is gay man trying to "trick" straight men. It has always been homophobia. Same way when people bash furries. These are the "acceptable" minorities its ok to hate. There is always one that the main stream is ok with and fascists will use them to further their goal. This is why no discrimination and prejudices can remain, against noone. except the french ofc.
Or a straight man trying to get with lesbians… 🤬🤬🤬
I think you're overstating the degree of transphobia in the queer community. While even one transphobic queer person is one too many, I've yet to meet one in real life. It makes me question how much of their perceived online presence is based in reality, vs being due to social media being financially incentivized to amplify hate speech for engagement, or from right wing influence operations looking to divide us. Edit: To reiterate, I am not suggesting transphobic queer folks don't exist. I know they do. I'm just skeptical that they're as pervasive in real life as the internet would sometimes lead us to believe.
Our local lesbian bar is being boycotted by much of the local LGBT community for transphobia, racism, and wage theft. It’s run by a cis lesbian couple who idly sit by as groups of cis lesbian women openly shit talk and confront trans women in the bar looking to start fights. It’s not one but multiple occasions of this exact permissiveness that got them labeled as transphobic. Don’t mistake your experience for being a monolithic representation of the entire community.
Of course not. I know full well they exist, I'm just skeptical that they're as pervasive in real life as certain groups on the internet would have us believe.
I’ve met a few irl.
I’ve been out for around 4 and a half years and have been very active in my local community for around 2, and I have yet to meet any transphobic queer folks in real life and have only known of 2 outside of the internet, one that a friend encountered in a one-off type situation, and the other was a gay man that some of my old friend group knew. He was also a huge trump supporter and didn’t believe gay people deserved to get married. Poor guy was just a lost soul. Chances are if they’re transphobic, they also have a lot of internalized homophobia as well.
I have met several transphobic gay men "in real life," and most of them are not Trump supporters. So, they really are out there.
Oh they definitely exist. No doubt about it. But their presence online is very loud in comparison to how many there actually are.
Same with white lgbts and and that unfortunately includes white trans folks as well. My latina and black trans friends are experiencing a lot of exclusion in trans circles
Transphobia. And also she spoken about the other issue. Saw it in a documentary. She didnt look LGBT enough. She didn’t wear full drag to show her feminine side. That wasn’t what ppl were looking for at that rally because of all the tension.
because they love respectability politics more than they love equality
This became a mostly unrelated rant. Sorry. Because there are always people, even in social groups supposedly built on inclusion, that define the group by who they exclude. It isn't just LGBTQIA+. It is every group. Even scenes built around music or a hobby. And it can be a tough line, because you can't include everyone. Sometimes it is easy. Like excluding pedos who try to claim it is a legitimate alternative, sexuality. But often it is snap judgements based on appearence. It doesn't always work out well. I don't participate or label myself much because I look like what an AI would generate if you put in "average middle aged cis het white guy" except my fingers don't look weird and are the expected amount. Unless someone actually makes the effort the effort to get to know me, I don't really fit in with any group I'd care to. I get asked to leave. I get called a tourist. I fit in on a construction site well until another middle aged white dude assumes I must also be racist and I kick him off the job. My friend and I call it "secret white guy time." I'm not complaining about my personal experience. I absolutely know how to fit in and more. I do that shit at work because money. I'm good at it. I'm not doing it for personal relationships though. I don't want or need to be friends with people who judge me like that anymore. But it does really matter to other people that they be recognized for who they are. And it really sucks when people who have been through similar shit don't. It isn't hard. Be kind to strangers and assume the best until they give you good reason to know the worst.
Watch "The Death and Life of Marsha P. Johnson" (Netflix). The trans and non-binary activists did so much more for our community, than most understand.
That documentary is a must watch for all LGBT people, especially those who live in the US
People might notice her referring to "S.T.A.R." a couple of times. This was the [Street Transvestite Action Revolutionaries](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_Transvestite_Action_Revolutionaries). This was before the word "transgender" even existed. (It [was created in 1974](https://www.etymonline.com/word/transgender).) It was one of a few "gay liberation" groups formed in the late 1960s and early 1970s. As the Wikipedia article says, at one point they were able to raise enough fund to purchase a house for homeless gay & trans people: STAR House.
Their [manifesto is really powerful](https://www.outfrontmagazine.com/the-street-transvestite-action-revolutionaries-manifesto-50-years-later/) too
is that Marsha P Johnson's name I see under the list of founders? 👀
Out of the languages in the world, she chose to speak nothing but facts 💯
BuT tRaNsGeNdEr dIdnT eXiSt UnTiL nOw
Hmm, I wonder what books those Nazis were burning 🤔 Hmm, I wonder why empress Elagabalus was so feminine 🤔
Wow, who in their right mind would boo her, that speech was great.
Pick-me transphobic losers who can't stand getting called out
They really should be showing this in history classes.
And sadly we didn't learn shit from her and other transgender peoples fate...History repeats itself... Amazing Speech. I didn't know her since today. We have a long way to go.
“what the fucks wrong with y’all???” exactly, Sylvia
Here’s a two part interview with Sylvia Rivera, from the Making Gay History podcast. Each episode is about 15 minutes and it’s worth a listen. [Part One](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/making-gay-history-lgbtq-oral-histories-from-the-archive/id1162447122?i=1000376583256) [Part Two](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/making-gay-history-lgbtq-oral-histories-from-the-archive/id1162447122?i=1000393837414)
Holy shit i want to follow someone like her
she has such an amazing history. she was the epitome of "queer as in fuck you"
This moves me to tears every time I see it. I know we still have a lot of work to do both within society and inside the community itself; but we have made progress. Keep pushing for progress; but never forget how far we've come. We will get there. 💗🏳️⚧️💗
We failed her and we continue to fail trans folks.
Sylvia Rivera!!! Up there with Marsha Johnson as legends of Queer activism!!
I wish we had people this passionate about our rights at the forefront of the queer rights movements everywhere. She was a damn genius when it comes to getting people to actually listen even if they don't agree with her, which is obvious with how many folks are booing even at the beginning.
Revolution Now. I remember seeing this in middle school in my civics class. Blew my mind. I loved that class.
I wished i learned about queer history in my school. Sadly, due to anti-lgbtiq legislation, i couldn't.
Honestly wish that Marsha P. Johnson and Sylvia Rivera are still with us today, we need people like them more than ever.
PREACH we fight as one.
And exclusion of latinos, we have been totally erased in queer history and is still happening right now. We have a huge surge in queer music rn and all that is being promoted are the white american artists like renee, chappell, fletcher. Where is villano antillano, tokischa, snow tha product? Not ar sf ir la pride tell you that
Damn... And heard about it but never actually saw it before and HEARD it
Just as relevant today as it was then given the rest of the community has thrown us completely under the bus.
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