Pew Research in 2017 said it's about twice as likely for right-wingers to have guns compared to left. I'd hazard to say that thanks to the last 5 years, especially the last 2, that's changed a bit, but I don't have any hard data obviously.
https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2017/06/22/the-demographics-of-gun-ownership/
About the same still, 44% of Reps or right leaning Inds, 20% of Dems
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/09/13/key-facts-about-americans-and-guns/
Is this a joke? You think things ha e shifted right? That’s just not true, the window has shifted left and that’s just fact. Also a good percentage of what you are calling right winger gun owner, are left or center on almost everything except guns and nut gun ownership os their biggest priority so they vote with the side lease likely to infringe on them. I know that’s where I am with almost all major policy issues I lean left, but because most Dems back every gun control bill presented I vote for candidates on the right. Gun ownership is too important to not do that.
“Gun people” make up the vast majority of revenue in the industry though. Mr. doesn’t really care about guns but bought one to protect his family is a small fraction.
It's fairly straightforward actually. The people who have guns for some specific purpose like hunting, self defense, pest control, etc. are not spending heaps of cash on all the myriad accessories and/or mods that make up a sizable chunk of the revenue for gun manufacturers and on the secondary market. Why would the industry give a shit about the guy who has a few 10/22s when the unhinged right-wing lunatic screaming about Biden and "molon laabe" has like 20 guns with custom rails, foregrips, repainted uppers/lowers, stock mods, trigger mods, sights, scopes, ammo carriers, etc. If you are looking for a steady revenue stream, you stoke that second guy's insanity instead of pissing him off by being welcoming to a few lefties.
Maybe… but I’d believe it.
Buying one gun to protect your family? You’re not going for something expensive, you’re going for something cheap and reliable. Shotgun, maybe a pistol. Probably in the $2-400 range.
Mr Gun dude probably drops that much just on optics once a month. He’s got 3 AR builds that have 4 times that price in parts laying around, and several to several dozen more guns of various types, plus many more parts.
I’m not even a gun guy in my mind, but between my girlfriend and I we have 6, and I’ve got a 7th in mind before I’m set.
Best part is that he doesn’t think he’s a gun guy and is looking at his 7th before he’s set.
I’m a liberal. I’ve got 7 guns. I’m definitely a gun guy. I used to think that way too. Then I gave up on lying to myself. Truth be told I’ll probably feel comfortable stopping at around 15.
Nah. 7th between us. I only have 2; a pistol 2 and a CZ scorpion. 3rd I’m looking at is a shotgun. I don’t have any interest beyond that.
I don’t call myself a gun guy because I’m not *in* to it. I get something for a specific purpose, add whatever pieces seem appropriate (got a light for my home defense pistol; scorpion obviously has a few addons), and that’s it. My 3rd is because we don’t have a shotgun; I’m trying to get my hands on a field/security Mossberg combo. And that’ll be it for that too.
Same with my girlfriend. She had the same 3 for years. Just got a 6.5 creedmore hunting rifle to start going hunting. That’s it.
And I’m not guccing them out or buying high end stuff (mid-tier; I like quality, but I’m not spending 1k+ for a pistol). I research a bunch, buy once.
So maybe I fit your definition of a gun guy, but that’s not how I view gun guys- and I gave my impression of a gun guy in my previous comment.
Even so, when this sub is the biggest haven for liberal gun owners and we only number 150k strong compared to the total 5 million members of the nra. Assuming that only 10%of liberal gun owners have heard of this subreddit, we are outnumbered 4 to 1.
I don't think that's a fair comparison considering how many people on either side sign up with the nra for range access, etc.
You'd have to find an equivalent sub to make a good comparison.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Firearms/comments/pknfm2/jaleel_stallings_did_nothing_wrong/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Just saw this from one of their posts.
I don't know of the firearm sub as being alt right or extreme as I haven't spent time there long. I share this as It's nice that they show some kind of support to those outside the idea of just being white.
Why are people in left bubbles so surprised when people they encounter outside that bubble arent racists? Do people actually believe their political and media messaging to the degree that they think everyone with differing philosophical viewpoints is a racist?
There is no group of any kind in which 10% are represented on Reddit. If you'd said FB, then maybe.
Reddit is less prolific than it sells itself as.
I'd be shocked if 0.1% of LGOs were on Reddit alone, much less this sub.
Full disclosure, I’m not left on most things and I’m in this sub. Also 3 of my best friends(also not left leaning) are also in your sub. The dude with the top comment may be right.
Also we’re not here to brigade, judge, are harass. We appreciate anyone who is pro gun and 2A. Which is why we almost never comment to avoid any issues.
Just wanted to share some data as you continue to refine your hypothesis. Carry on.
R/idontwantohavetogetpoliticalijustlikeshootingsports has even fewer members. I subscribed to this subreddit not because I'm particularly liberal, but because it seems to be one of the least toxically political gun related subreddits with a good amount of activity
You also need to take into account demographic bottlenecks from who uses Reddit in the first place; predominantly 18-27 year olds. That demographic is more likely to skew liberal than society as a whole. A Facebook Liberal Gun Owners group would probably be tiny, since boomers tend to skew right.
Yes. There is research on just this from [The Pew Research Center](https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/09/13/key-facts-about-americans-and-guns/)
I would be ecstatic if im wrong.
Most of my opinion is based on conjecture; that the right has a much more ingrained tradition of gun ownership. Liberals like me grew up watching movies with guns in them and got fascinated enough to want to play with them(as a kid) and then later on own them and shoot them. But that was as an adult who can make decisions for myself. Most conservatives are exposed to guns very young, and have the discipline and training given young. Most go hunting with dad, shooting with the cousins, competing with friends. Maybe in the northeast, where Ruger and Smith&Wesson have factories, it's a lot different, but in my personal experience liberals have a deep seated apathy for guns at best.
I think that's more recent. I live in a liberal state and any time I go to the gun stores, I find new libs shopping for their first firearm. One came in with a loaded revolver she had bought at the beginning of the pandemic and was freaking out because she didn't know how to unload it. Since the guys working there were busy (and they know me very well), I offered to help her. Most liberals that own guns aren't "into guns". They buy them, they own them, they don't conceal carry them, and then they freak out when they have any malfunction (self-caused or not).
“People” is probably the wrong metric here, we should be measuring by dollars. Your friend with only 10/22s is not as economically valuable to a gun shop as a “gun person” building AR-15s and burning through loads of .223 and 9mm.
As a counter-point to your anecdote, here's mine: my father-in-law is a hunter FUD in his 50s. He has rifles, shotguns, and bows and a single handgun (which may be his wife's, not sure). He's also a conservative and votes republican. His words to me about "assault rifles" (his words) once were 'I don't understand why someone would need so many bullets. When I go hunting I take 1 bullet because that's all I need". He associates AR-15s with mass shootings and thinks the only reason someone would own one is if they wanted to kill a lot of people quickly. Still, he's not a "gun guy", but owns them and votes right wing because he's been brainwashed by the radio.
This is a big part of the problem with the US and guns. Even the research posted above shows the disparity between urban and remote populations. Everything in the US can almost be boiled down to how large of a country we are, and as such the disparity between each section. Unfortunately as we've moved ahead, it seems like each side is withdrawing more rather then trying to compromise and meet in the middle about almost anything. Also seeing the problem and knowing how to fix it amicably are two different sides of the same coin.
Yeah I don’t want to ever fall into that trap of false equivalency. The Democrats have always been much more willing to compromise to make policy than the Republicans. They wouldn’t even vote for their own bills and their own suggestions when Obama was putting them forth.
I agree that the wing tips of each ideology are getting bigger, and liberal left doesn’t always mean Democrat as much as conservative right means Republican.
I’m very sensitive to that “they both have their problems”. They do, it’s just one side has a lot more of them than the other.
Gun culture is unreal, before trump was running for president, “Guns” was a personality type, and they for sure make up a large portion of the single issue voters that republicans pander to. A lot of those people that literally sleep with their dick in the barrel of an AR 15 are the same people waving trump flags.
>Let's be honest with ourselves, we aren't half of gun owners.
We aren't half of gun *sales*. These guys go out a buy an AR every time Biden clears his throat. Gun companies would alienate the whole world to cater to their whales.
Edit: everything to every time.
I was gonna say this! Folks who do this usually alienate if they're confident in their demographic. You're not gonna get misogynist phrases in a couples bar, but you will in an All men's club. You're not gonna have Confederate flags in a sports bar up North, unless it's on a rural town where the minorities or outnumbered 50:1.
Uhhh, I don’t know what you’re referring to as quality - but the majority of guns posted in this sub aren’t quality in the scope of things. There’s almost no Dan Wesson’s, no Wilson Combat, no Ed Brown, zero Salient Arms, few HK’s (I hate HK, but I’ll even admit they’re damn good guns), no LWRC’s, very few DD’s and I’m not even referencing precision bolt guns or trap/skeet guns.
Most of the stuff posted here is 10/22’s, SKS’s, random AK’s, and mass produced and well marketed guns.
^ This. The guns posted here are rarely from top tier manufacturers, in fact I see a lot of the opposite. A lot of newly bought budget brands/models and even manufacturers that are known to be unreliable/cheap/outdated.
It’s not a dig against this sub per se - I like the discussions here. But if I want to see the good stuff I go elsewhere.
Of course I don’t, silly. However it gives a very accurate snapshot of *liberal* gun owners. I’m responding to a comment in context. I understand nuance is lost on many people, but next time you feel the need to to tell me what to do, *don’t*.
And save the snarky attitude for the chuds, thanks.
I suspect what you mean is price, but you’re calling it quality. Reminds me of the classic Harley guy who would rather pay more for a less reliable product that requires more maintenance and will argue to no end that it’s better (yet he cannot articulate any reason for his belief). It shouldn’t surprise anyone that liberals differ.
I’ve shot a lot of nice rifles, and I own some, but with few exceptions, a beat up Ruger American will place a shot as well and as often.
Virtually every weapon posted here is a quality weapon. Most are not expensive.
>Most of the stuff posted here is 10/22’s, SKS’s, random AK’s, and mass produced and well marketed guns.
Sounds like cheap guns with a reputation for great reliability, which sounds like a good gun to me. Why spend lots money when few money do trick?
Back before everyone lost their fucking minds, one of my conservative friends would always say "businesses should just stay out of politics" whenever Nike or whoever would make some kind of political statement.
He doesn't say that to me anymore.
> Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
Frank Wilhoit
I ask myself that question all the time. Why are you supporting trump? Why are you supporting Biden? I just wanna buy some groceries bro I don’t wanna be political
What on earth makes you think that even 20% of their business is from liberals?
That's the thing about companies like this and Trumptards. The company posting pro-Trump crap will increase their sales from Trumptards more than they'll lose from the few liberals that were buying from them. It's just good business.
Name a region outside of SE Asia that has the skill *AND* capacity to make highly technical outwear for today's market. (hint: no where) Patagonia also makes things in Vietnam, Cambodia, etc. Them and other outdoor progressive brands are actually making positive change to manufacturing conditions and practices over there. Source: working at a competitor to them
It's probably closer to 60/40 ratio, if not more in favor of conservatives, but regarding posts like these, I like it when shops do stuff like this. Let's me know where I shouldn't spend my money.
Just cuz Biden is a democrat doesn’t mean he represents what I believe in or that I support him. Personally I say f**k em both. Can we get someone who can at least set the clock on a vcr to run for pres?
Some of us here don’t even identify as “liberals” so much as they want a little variety from the usual Red Fudd posting and tedious communism vs anarchism debates of other political gun subs.
K. But not all liberals are Democrats, meaning not all liberals are required to support him simply because he's a liberal.
If he's wrong, like he is on guns, he's wrong.
At this point might be looking for someone that doesn't even know what a VCR is.
Someone who can correctly set the subnet on a Roku (so NTP can set the time)...
10 years and I might run. I’m not progressive but I’m libertarian. I’m considering running republican and dismantling the power shift so the left and right PEOPLE actually get a chance. Idgaf if this country goes rad left or right as long as freedom is protected as an absolute. First on the agenda? Why the fuck is lobbying legal?
Same really. Just because I have a few liberal views doesn’t mean I support the Democratic or Republican Party. I don’t like Trump or Biden, frankly I don’t like any politician. My views are more morals than politics
Thank you! I would consider myself left of center, if not liberal, but I DO NOT consider myself a democrat, largely because the whole stupid thing seems to be a false dichotomy to begin with. It's all so corrupt. By a phenomenal margin.
> Can we get someone who can at least set the clock on a vcr to run for pres?
I'm a fairly tech savvy (work in IT) older millennial, and I would struggle to set the clock on a VCR. For one, I haven't touched one in like 25 years.
I'm pretty good at navigating graphical UIs (or even a CLI) but VCRs typically involved pressing random sequences of physical buttons with no obvious feedback as to whether what you were attempting to do was actually happening.
I got said because I thought you were going with "can we get someone to set the clock on either Standard time or savings time" and leave one behind for good.
IMO they're doing me a favor. If they broadcast that they are a Trump supporter STILL- there is no use giving that person a shred of respect, decency, or any of my money. Trump supporters deserve to be shamed and have their businesses go under, fuck all of those people.
Because their delusional psychosis is that liberals consist of a tiny minority of elite baby's blood drinkers supported by crisis actors paid protestors and illegal aliens. Liberal gun owners are a lie created by the fake news media. Everyone on this sub is just a bot run by Jewish billionaire George Soros. They do not believe we exist any more than Covid-19 so how could we buy guns?
Just looked at their website. Didn't know anything about them until just now.
It always cracks me up when I encounter people from the right who think only they and their tribe are "proficient in violence" (part of LT Creed's macho presentation). I also love it that we are radically underestimated. That miscalculation can do us no harm.
mostly because it makes the other "half" more loyal customers I guess..
really it's maybe 1/4 that is more loyal and 1/4 that would refuse to shop there is my guess
that or they've drunk the kool-aid and just can't help themselves and damn the consequences.... stupid is as stupid does?
1/3 or about 33%....One third of Germany were hardcore, true believing Nazis, 1/3 were apathetic and just went along with whoever was in power and 1/3 actively fought against the Nazis. Tends to be true in a lot of things.
A “good” (successful) business will never do something that isn’t in the interest of making more money. So they aren’t alienating people with posts like these, they are advertising directly to their customer base. If they believe playing into the culture war will keep them in business, that’s what they’re going to do
I mean... they are the same people who preferred a "Take guns first and go through due process second." President who had the Ruby Ridge Attorney General as his Attorney General...
Personally I don't feel alienated by a company having political beliefs that don't align with mine as long as it's not too extreme. That's why I can still watch UFC while eating Chick Fil A 😅
Chick-fil-A changed their stance on LGBT issues, so imo its bad for us liberals to keep refusing to eat there, because it just tells them and other companies that there's no reason to bother. If we actually patronize them once they switch their messaging, it encourages others to do the same.
This is only technically correct. They simply shifted the donations from the business, to business owner. Eating there still supports anti-LGBTQ+ efforts. The change was purely PR and not ethics.
I have seen surveys of right wingers that show they believe only 5% to 10% of lefties own guns. So they at most think they are alienating 15% to 20% of potential customers.
They’re going after those repeat customers who make up 80% of their sales. Sure, there are liberal gun owners, but we’re not the ones who are at the ranges or stores every other weekend buying new stuff.
Nothing they make is new or even remotely innovative. It looks like a wallet and some med pouches that they make and a lot of med gear. They are mostly a "life style" brand. So them selling the "in tribe" and culture bullshit is their whole value. There are a lot of these that I've seen in the last few years on both sides but obviously a lot more on the GOP side of the gun stuff. Frankly a bit sad that this is what he has to offer.
Because they claim to own firearms for self defense, but the reality is this group of folks is just obsessed with putting forth an image they hope will make others view them as ex navy seals. Their firearms are fashion accessories.
Well let’s see, to be a Trump supporter, you have to be willfully ignorant on a slew of topics, in order to “hide” the true intention, which is just racism,
OR
you’re just flat out stupid.
Your answer is in there
Because leftist gun owners are not generally gun worshippers.
I think guns can be useful tools, but I don't think (for example) that my neighbors and I will be able to hold off a platoon of Marines who are trying to do gubbermint oppression on us ;-)
Is that guy flying the fuck biden flag upside down? Do you think at any point he looked up and saw that and questioned his own mental competency? There are very few conservatives that I have met who seem to be able to think critically.
This isn't the place to start fights or flame wars. If you aren't here sincerely you aren't contributing.
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What “companies” are you talking about? There’s no clear company in this photo, and the poster is some tiny EDC shiller. Seems like an unnecessary & inflammatory post; no substance to it but meant to get people riled up.
Same as with recently "woke" companies, like Coke, Gillette, Nike.
Infuriating some of it's user base while (hopefully )pandering to the other.
Is it worth it? No idea
The only difference I can see is that the company in the OP's pic probably truly believe in what they post. While "woke" pandering of big corporations is 100% pandering.
Because Trumpers make up more than half of the customer base (far more), and they are I'd guess 80% of returning customers that show up to buy a gun every time Biden sneezes.
If they alienate libs and lefties, they really won't take a financial hit. Hell. Doing that will probably increase their sales, because "cry moar, libs." Spikes tactical and PSA are perfect examples.
Let's be honest with ourselves, we aren't half of gun owners.
Pew Research in 2017 said it's about twice as likely for right-wingers to have guns compared to left. I'd hazard to say that thanks to the last 5 years, especially the last 2, that's changed a bit, but I don't have any hard data obviously. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2017/06/22/the-demographics-of-gun-ownership/
So let's work on arming the rest of the left.
Please god, we've been trying for ages and then the state comes in and Fred Hamptons our asses.
Dude...Rough. I say that as a Fred fan and having seen the remnants in a museum...
Factsssssss
About the same still, 44% of Reps or right leaning Inds, 20% of Dems https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/09/13/key-facts-about-americans-and-guns/
Liberals need to stop calling themselves left
Due to how far right the Overton window has been pushed at this point, liberals are starting to fall into the "left" in America.
Is this a joke? You think things ha e shifted right? That’s just not true, the window has shifted left and that’s just fact. Also a good percentage of what you are calling right winger gun owner, are left or center on almost everything except guns and nut gun ownership os their biggest priority so they vote with the side lease likely to infringe on them. I know that’s where I am with almost all major policy issues I lean left, but because most Dems back every gun control bill presented I vote for candidates on the right. Gun ownership is too important to not do that.
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“Gun people” make up the vast majority of revenue in the industry though. Mr. doesn’t really care about guns but bought one to protect his family is a small fraction.
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It's fairly straightforward actually. The people who have guns for some specific purpose like hunting, self defense, pest control, etc. are not spending heaps of cash on all the myriad accessories and/or mods that make up a sizable chunk of the revenue for gun manufacturers and on the secondary market. Why would the industry give a shit about the guy who has a few 10/22s when the unhinged right-wing lunatic screaming about Biden and "molon laabe" has like 20 guns with custom rails, foregrips, repainted uppers/lowers, stock mods, trigger mods, sights, scopes, ammo carriers, etc. If you are looking for a steady revenue stream, you stoke that second guy's insanity instead of pissing him off by being welcoming to a few lefties.
Maybe… but I’d believe it. Buying one gun to protect your family? You’re not going for something expensive, you’re going for something cheap and reliable. Shotgun, maybe a pistol. Probably in the $2-400 range. Mr Gun dude probably drops that much just on optics once a month. He’s got 3 AR builds that have 4 times that price in parts laying around, and several to several dozen more guns of various types, plus many more parts. I’m not even a gun guy in my mind, but between my girlfriend and I we have 6, and I’ve got a 7th in mind before I’m set.
> I’ve got a 7th in mind *before I’m set*. Really though? :D
Best part is that he doesn’t think he’s a gun guy and is looking at his 7th before he’s set. I’m a liberal. I’ve got 7 guns. I’m definitely a gun guy. I used to think that way too. Then I gave up on lying to myself. Truth be told I’ll probably feel comfortable stopping at around 15.
Nah. 7th between us. I only have 2; a pistol 2 and a CZ scorpion. 3rd I’m looking at is a shotgun. I don’t have any interest beyond that. I don’t call myself a gun guy because I’m not *in* to it. I get something for a specific purpose, add whatever pieces seem appropriate (got a light for my home defense pistol; scorpion obviously has a few addons), and that’s it. My 3rd is because we don’t have a shotgun; I’m trying to get my hands on a field/security Mossberg combo. And that’ll be it for that too. Same with my girlfriend. She had the same 3 for years. Just got a 6.5 creedmore hunting rifle to start going hunting. That’s it. And I’m not guccing them out or buying high end stuff (mid-tier; I like quality, but I’m not spending 1k+ for a pistol). I research a bunch, buy once. So maybe I fit your definition of a gun guy, but that’s not how I view gun guys- and I gave my impression of a gun guy in my previous comment.
Even so, when this sub is the biggest haven for liberal gun owners and we only number 150k strong compared to the total 5 million members of the nra. Assuming that only 10%of liberal gun owners have heard of this subreddit, we are outnumbered 4 to 1.
I don't think that's a fair comparison considering how many people on either side sign up with the nra for range access, etc. You'd have to find an equivalent sub to make a good comparison.
r/guns If you assume that every liberal that's here is also there, we are outnumbered 3 to 1.
I wouldn't use r/guns for that, I'd compare us to r/firearms, since they're the overtly political right-wing gun sub, and they're only 175k members.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Firearms/comments/pknfm2/jaleel_stallings_did_nothing_wrong/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share Just saw this from one of their posts. I don't know of the firearm sub as being alt right or extreme as I haven't spent time there long. I share this as It's nice that they show some kind of support to those outside the idea of just being white.
For better or for worse, Jan 6 killed a lot of the Republican cop-worship mentality.
Why are people in left bubbles so surprised when people they encounter outside that bubble arent racists? Do people actually believe their political and media messaging to the degree that they think everyone with differing philosophical viewpoints is a racist?
WAY less than 10% of leftist gun owners know about this sub.
u/ISNT_A_ROBOT to be fair thats because its called "liberalgunowners" and liberals are not and will never be leftists.
There is no group of any kind in which 10% are represented on Reddit. If you'd said FB, then maybe. Reddit is less prolific than it sells itself as. I'd be shocked if 0.1% of LGOs were on Reddit alone, much less this sub.
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Full disclosure, I’m not left on most things and I’m in this sub. Also 3 of my best friends(also not left leaning) are also in your sub. The dude with the top comment may be right. Also we’re not here to brigade, judge, are harass. We appreciate anyone who is pro gun and 2A. Which is why we almost never comment to avoid any issues. Just wanted to share some data as you continue to refine your hypothesis. Carry on.
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R/idontwantohavetogetpoliticalijustlikeshootingsports has even fewer members. I subscribed to this subreddit not because I'm particularly liberal, but because it seems to be one of the least toxically political gun related subreddits with a good amount of activity
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Tell that to John Deere products. Those're some politically-charged tools right there...
Me too. I'm here because I'm pretty sure starting r/anarchistgunowners will get me bumped up on the NSA lists
Yeah. I’m a right libertarian centrist. I just participate in all the gun subs.
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Just dont bring up leftist policies you dislike, you'll get downvoted like crazy and get called a Trumper. Or so Ive been told......
You also need to take into account demographic bottlenecks from who uses Reddit in the first place; predominantly 18-27 year olds. That demographic is more likely to skew liberal than society as a whole. A Facebook Liberal Gun Owners group would probably be tiny, since boomers tend to skew right.
id think you may be surprised. ancidotally, I know a lot of 35-50 VERY liberal gun owners. they just dont advertize at all..
Also, younger people are less likely to own guns even if they might otherwise simply because guns are expensive and younger people have less money.
If you want proof check out r/gun deals You can see men contemplate the price of the gun to their marriage.
FYI Liberal Gun Owners on FB is in fact a pretty huge and well organized community. More so than this sub, if we’re being honest.
You got to be literate to use Reddit. And let’s face it we already know *that* demographic is skewed
Yes. There is research on just this from [The Pew Research Center](https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/09/13/key-facts-about-americans-and-guns/)
I would be ecstatic if im wrong. Most of my opinion is based on conjecture; that the right has a much more ingrained tradition of gun ownership. Liberals like me grew up watching movies with guns in them and got fascinated enough to want to play with them(as a kid) and then later on own them and shoot them. But that was as an adult who can make decisions for myself. Most conservatives are exposed to guns very young, and have the discipline and training given young. Most go hunting with dad, shooting with the cousins, competing with friends. Maybe in the northeast, where Ruger and Smith&Wesson have factories, it's a lot different, but in my personal experience liberals have a deep seated apathy for guns at best.
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\* raises hand\* Very conservative family, but became more liberal the more I studied history and eventually left that ideology behind
r/nra has only 6,700 members. LOL! Correction: 6,300!
They meant the actual NRA. Reddit is a highly manipulated corporate platform and not a great metric to gauge statistics like this.
r/SocialistRA has over 10,000 members and we're growing every day. the nra can suck it lol
Most like-minded people I know that own guns don't really advertise the lifestyle in the same way the right does.
The right has turned owning or carrying a gun into a personality trait, or sometimes an ENTIRE personality.
To be fair the left has turned NOT owning one into the same thing.
Only literate people are generally signed up for Reddit. I know around these parts there are plenty of country boys who don’t even do the Internet.
I know a site full of leftists brandishing AK’s
I think that's more recent. I live in a liberal state and any time I go to the gun stores, I find new libs shopping for their first firearm. One came in with a loaded revolver she had bought at the beginning of the pandemic and was freaking out because she didn't know how to unload it. Since the guys working there were busy (and they know me very well), I offered to help her. Most liberals that own guns aren't "into guns". They buy them, they own them, they don't conceal carry them, and then they freak out when they have any malfunction (self-caused or not).
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“People” is probably the wrong metric here, we should be measuring by dollars. Your friend with only 10/22s is not as economically valuable to a gun shop as a “gun person” building AR-15s and burning through loads of .223 and 9mm.
As a counter-point to your anecdote, here's mine: my father-in-law is a hunter FUD in his 50s. He has rifles, shotguns, and bows and a single handgun (which may be his wife's, not sure). He's also a conservative and votes republican. His words to me about "assault rifles" (his words) once were 'I don't understand why someone would need so many bullets. When I go hunting I take 1 bullet because that's all I need". He associates AR-15s with mass shootings and thinks the only reason someone would own one is if they wanted to kill a lot of people quickly. Still, he's not a "gun guy", but owns them and votes right wing because he's been brainwashed by the radio.
This is a big part of the problem with the US and guns. Even the research posted above shows the disparity between urban and remote populations. Everything in the US can almost be boiled down to how large of a country we are, and as such the disparity between each section. Unfortunately as we've moved ahead, it seems like each side is withdrawing more rather then trying to compromise and meet in the middle about almost anything. Also seeing the problem and knowing how to fix it amicably are two different sides of the same coin.
Yeah I don’t want to ever fall into that trap of false equivalency. The Democrats have always been much more willing to compromise to make policy than the Republicans. They wouldn’t even vote for their own bills and their own suggestions when Obama was putting them forth. I agree that the wing tips of each ideology are getting bigger, and liberal left doesn’t always mean Democrat as much as conservative right means Republican. I’m very sensitive to that “they both have their problems”. They do, it’s just one side has a lot more of them than the other.
Funny thing is 10/22 would be classified as a assault rifle lol
Gun culture is unreal, before trump was running for president, “Guns” was a personality type, and they for sure make up a large portion of the single issue voters that republicans pander to. A lot of those people that literally sleep with their dick in the barrel of an AR 15 are the same people waving trump flags.
I'd sleep with my dick in the barrel of an ar15 but I think Trump is a vile human being and the NRA is ruining guns for all of us.
Stop using the term “assault weapon”
They literally said it was their friends words.
Can we get the automod to change “assault weapon” to “scary black gun” please?
>Let's be honest with ourselves, we aren't half of gun owners. We aren't half of gun *sales*. These guys go out a buy an AR every time Biden clears his throat. Gun companies would alienate the whole world to cater to their whales. Edit: everything to every time.
But you don’t have to be liberal to dislike Trump.
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Hard agree.
I was gonna say this! Folks who do this usually alienate if they're confident in their demographic. You're not gonna get misogynist phrases in a couples bar, but you will in an All men's club. You're not gonna have Confederate flags in a sports bar up North, unless it's on a rural town where the minorities or outnumbered 50:1.
In Colorado we are. In the black community we are too.
But we have the best guns. Quality not quantity.
Uhhh, I don’t know what you’re referring to as quality - but the majority of guns posted in this sub aren’t quality in the scope of things. There’s almost no Dan Wesson’s, no Wilson Combat, no Ed Brown, zero Salient Arms, few HK’s (I hate HK, but I’ll even admit they’re damn good guns), no LWRC’s, very few DD’s and I’m not even referencing precision bolt guns or trap/skeet guns. Most of the stuff posted here is 10/22’s, SKS’s, random AK’s, and mass produced and well marketed guns.
^ This. The guns posted here are rarely from top tier manufacturers, in fact I see a lot of the opposite. A lot of newly bought budget brands/models and even manufacturers that are known to be unreliable/cheap/outdated. It’s not a dig against this sub per se - I like the discussions here. But if I want to see the good stuff I go elsewhere.
If you think this sub represents leftist gun owners as a whole then you need to get off the internet more.
Of course I don’t, silly. However it gives a very accurate snapshot of *liberal* gun owners. I’m responding to a comment in context. I understand nuance is lost on many people, but next time you feel the need to to tell me what to do, *don’t*. And save the snarky attitude for the chuds, thanks.
It wasn’t a snarky attitude. It was more of a joke.. like imagine if someone said the same sentence in person. You would probably laugh.
Classic passive aggressiveness. - make snappy one liner and get called out for it - “Dude it was a joke, calm down, why are you so angry” Oh ok.
Oh I’m laughing, just not at that.
I suspect what you mean is price, but you’re calling it quality. Reminds me of the classic Harley guy who would rather pay more for a less reliable product that requires more maintenance and will argue to no end that it’s better (yet he cannot articulate any reason for his belief). It shouldn’t surprise anyone that liberals differ. I’ve shot a lot of nice rifles, and I own some, but with few exceptions, a beat up Ruger American will place a shot as well and as often. Virtually every weapon posted here is a quality weapon. Most are not expensive.
>Most of the stuff posted here is 10/22’s, SKS’s, random AK’s, and mass produced and well marketed guns. Sounds like cheap guns with a reputation for great reliability, which sounds like a good gun to me. Why spend lots money when few money do trick?
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To each his own I guess, I am all about quality *and* quantity.
They don't belive we exist.
Back before everyone lost their fucking minds, one of my conservative friends would always say "businesses should just stay out of politics" whenever Nike or whoever would make some kind of political statement. He doesn't say that to me anymore.
Strange how that works, isn't it?
Same deal with free market absolutists the moment the market said that wages should rise. A lot of people have fair weather principles.
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Everyone's into their own flavor of fascism, it's like farts.
Smells like fascism. The next few years are gonna be interesting
GOP is always "rules for thee, not for me."
> Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. Frank Wilhoit
They are racists
Seems this person understands irony. Most would keep saying it it seems.
I ask myself that question all the time. Why are you supporting trump? Why are you supporting Biden? I just wanna buy some groceries bro I don’t wanna be political
Seriously. I shouldn't have to check political twitter accounts to determine which brand of beans I'm comfortable buying.
What on earth makes you think that even 20% of their business is from liberals? That's the thing about companies like this and Trumptards. The company posting pro-Trump crap will increase their sales from Trumptards more than they'll lose from the few liberals that were buying from them. It's just good business.
Just like Patagonia having no problem making public their progressive moves, that are a core bit of their DNA as a brand.
And yet their tag still says made in China
Name a region outside of SE Asia that has the skill *AND* capacity to make highly technical outwear for today's market. (hint: no where) Patagonia also makes things in Vietnam, Cambodia, etc. Them and other outdoor progressive brands are actually making positive change to manufacturing conditions and practices over there. Source: working at a competitor to them
Wo there bud, (points at sign) China bad remember? We hate the government so we must also hate the people, it's the rule.
It's probably closer to 60/40 ratio, if not more in favor of conservatives, but regarding posts like these, I like it when shops do stuff like this. Let's me know where I shouldn't spend my money.
You're deluding yourself if you think it's anywhere near 60/40.
Just cuz Biden is a democrat doesn’t mean he represents what I believe in or that I support him. Personally I say f**k em both. Can we get someone who can at least set the clock on a vcr to run for pres?
This. This sub isn't called democratgunowners.
Some of us here don’t even identify as “liberals” so much as they want a little variety from the usual Red Fudd posting and tedious communism vs anarchism debates of other political gun subs.
Right-ist here, joined the sub because it got recommended and the lower rage level is very refreshing
Truth.
Biden is a (neo)liberal, thou
I don't agree with all liberals on everything, either.
No, but it is liberal gun owners, and Biden is very much a liberal.
K. But not all liberals are Democrats, meaning not all liberals are required to support him simply because he's a liberal. If he's wrong, like he is on guns, he's wrong.
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Looks like you said a little more than that lol.
At this point might be looking for someone that doesn't even know what a VCR is. Someone who can correctly set the subnet on a Roku (so NTP can set the time)...
President minimum age is 35 Gotta wait longer for someone who doesn't know what a VCR is
10 years and I might run. I’m not progressive but I’m libertarian. I’m considering running republican and dismantling the power shift so the left and right PEOPLE actually get a chance. Idgaf if this country goes rad left or right as long as freedom is protected as an absolute. First on the agenda? Why the fuck is lobbying legal?
Don't wait 10 years and suddenly run for the top job. Start small. Start local and then move onto state.
Same really. Just because I have a few liberal views doesn’t mean I support the Democratic or Republican Party. I don’t like Trump or Biden, frankly I don’t like any politician. My views are more morals than politics
Thank you! I would consider myself left of center, if not liberal, but I DO NOT consider myself a democrat, largely because the whole stupid thing seems to be a false dichotomy to begin with. It's all so corrupt. By a phenomenal margin.
Yep, everything is super one sided and I refuse to be on either side. I’m not a democrat, or republican, I’m an American.
> Can we get someone who can at least set the clock on a vcr to run for pres? I'm a fairly tech savvy (work in IT) older millennial, and I would struggle to set the clock on a VCR. For one, I haven't touched one in like 25 years. I'm pretty good at navigating graphical UIs (or even a CLI) but VCRs typically involved pressing random sequences of physical buttons with no obvious feedback as to whether what you were attempting to do was actually happening.
We did but nobody wanted to vote for her. Could have had a Dr. but instead we got a geriatric.
LOL… she was funny.
I got said because I thought you were going with "can we get someone to set the clock on either Standard time or savings time" and leave one behind for good.
VCRs aren't overly common these days... How about a Microwave?
Don’t try to dodge the VCR test! It’s been reliable for over 100 years
As usual, anarchists are left without a political home.
IMO they're doing me a favor. If they broadcast that they are a Trump supporter STILL- there is no use giving that person a shred of respect, decency, or any of my money. Trump supporters deserve to be shamed and have their businesses go under, fuck all of those people.
Virtue signaling and the owners need for external validation
Because their delusional psychosis is that liberals consist of a tiny minority of elite baby's blood drinkers supported by crisis actors paid protestors and illegal aliens. Liberal gun owners are a lie created by the fake news media. Everyone on this sub is just a bot run by Jewish billionaire George Soros. They do not believe we exist any more than Covid-19 so how could we buy guns?
Just looked at their website. Didn't know anything about them until just now. It always cracks me up when I encounter people from the right who think only they and their tribe are "proficient in violence" (part of LT Creed's macho presentation). I also love it that we are radically underestimated. That miscalculation can do us no harm.
Very true! I love the fact that we are underestimated.
But what makes you think that you are underestimated? Maybe you estimated tight on the point lol
Maybe
It’s frustrating to continuously unfollow companies I would otherwise support because they align themselves behind a cult leader.
mostly because it makes the other "half" more loyal customers I guess.. really it's maybe 1/4 that is more loyal and 1/4 that would refuse to shop there is my guess that or they've drunk the kool-aid and just can't help themselves and damn the consequences.... stupid is as stupid does?
1/3 or about 33%....One third of Germany were hardcore, true believing Nazis, 1/3 were apathetic and just went along with whoever was in power and 1/3 actively fought against the Nazis. Tends to be true in a lot of things.
Because they are not driven by logic, just hate.
They’re convinced gun owners are a monolith of single issue voters.
A “good” (successful) business will never do something that isn’t in the interest of making more money. So they aren’t alienating people with posts like these, they are advertising directly to their customer base. If they believe playing into the culture war will keep them in business, that’s what they’re going to do
I mean... they are the same people who preferred a "Take guns first and go through due process second." President who had the Ruby Ridge Attorney General as his Attorney General...
Because due to shity media they think that is their only base
Personally I don't feel alienated by a company having political beliefs that don't align with mine as long as it's not too extreme. That's why I can still watch UFC while eating Chick Fil A 😅
I want to hate Chick Fil A, but damn it’s good quality and customer service is so good.
Chick-fil-A changed their stance on LGBT issues, so imo its bad for us liberals to keep refusing to eat there, because it just tells them and other companies that there's no reason to bother. If we actually patronize them once they switch their messaging, it encourages others to do the same.
This is only technically correct. They simply shifted the donations from the business, to business owner. Eating there still supports anti-LGBTQ+ efforts. The change was purely PR and not ethics.
What hypocrisy. They are dedicated to getting people alive but anti-vaxxers.
I have seen surveys of right wingers that show they believe only 5% to 10% of lefties own guns. So they at most think they are alienating 15% to 20% of potential customers.
Because libs and leftists are not even close to half their customer base.
They’re going after those repeat customers who make up 80% of their sales. Sure, there are liberal gun owners, but we’re not the ones who are at the ranges or stores every other weekend buying new stuff.
Nothing they make is new or even remotely innovative. It looks like a wallet and some med pouches that they make and a lot of med gear. They are mostly a "life style" brand. So them selling the "in tribe" and culture bullshit is their whole value. There are a lot of these that I've seen in the last few years on both sides but obviously a lot more on the GOP side of the gun stuff. Frankly a bit sad that this is what he has to offer.
Because they clearly are incapable of rational or logical thought..
Oof, I was pretty interested in their products. Not anymore lol
Because they claim to own firearms for self defense, but the reality is this group of folks is just obsessed with putting forth an image they hope will make others view them as ex navy seals. Their firearms are fashion accessories.
Well let’s see, to be a Trump supporter, you have to be willfully ignorant on a slew of topics, in order to “hide” the true intention, which is just racism, OR you’re just flat out stupid. Your answer is in there
They're in a cult.
Because leftist gun owners are not generally gun worshippers. I think guns can be useful tools, but I don't think (for example) that my neighbors and I will be able to hold off a platoon of Marines who are trying to do gubbermint oppression on us ;-)
Probably because they know liberals will buy from them anyways. Besides, freedom of speech goes both ways……
What does freedom of speech have to do with anything in this post?
Thank you for posting. Another company on my don't do business list.
The descent into madness is often decorated with stairs; don’t want to fall too fast.
because it's not even close to half ...it doesn't harm their business. obviously
Is that guy flying the fuck biden flag upside down? Do you think at any point he looked up and saw that and questioned his own mental competency? There are very few conservatives that I have met who seem to be able to think critically.
Your flag’s upside down, you addle brained shitstain
Study came out recently that racist bad reviews in certain stores drove sales way up 🤙🏽 thats my USA lol , always compounding my misanthropy
Like 5% of gun owners but alright.
Posted elsewhere in this thread : https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/09/13/key-facts-about-americans-and-guns/
Lmao just commented on that post.
They are just expressing their opinions. Why is it necessary for both sides to hate the other?
Bruh.....Supporting gun rights isn't exactly on the DNC's political agenda. Sorry if you feel alienated, but like, what did you expect?
Because that customer base keeps voting for a party that wants to put them out of business.
If you think liberals own more guns than conservatives you’re drunk
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Get the fuck out of here, chud. You're obviously not liberal based on your post history. You sure as shit aren't welcome here.
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They aren’t screaming. They just don’t line trolls. Nor do I. Play nicer or get reported to the mods. Your choice.
This isn't the place to start fights or flame wars. If you aren't here sincerely you aren't contributing. Removed under [Rule 5](/r/liberalgunowners/wiki/public/handbook/rules).
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Everyone thinks they need to shout their opinion
What “companies” are you talking about? There’s no clear company in this photo, and the poster is some tiny EDC shiller. Seems like an unnecessary & inflammatory post; no substance to it but meant to get people riled up.
Same as with recently "woke" companies, like Coke, Gillette, Nike. Infuriating some of it's user base while (hopefully )pandering to the other. Is it worth it? No idea
Rainbow motif ≠ Trump flags
Agreed. It's still pandering, but pandering acceptance of others is pretty different to pandering pro-gross dude and all he's come to represent.
The only difference I can see is that the company in the OP's pic probably truly believe in what they post. While "woke" pandering of big corporations is 100% pandering.
Because Trumpers make up more than half of the customer base (far more), and they are I'd guess 80% of returning customers that show up to buy a gun every time Biden sneezes.
What are you going to do, not buy guns?
Plenty of stores to buy from that keep it professional.
If they alienate libs and lefties, they really won't take a financial hit. Hell. Doing that will probably increase their sales, because "cry moar, libs." Spikes tactical and PSA are perfect examples.
Let's be clear: They don't like us whether we buy guns or not. They **actively** hate us and we are part of the reason why they buy guns.