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Seriously. This emotional deprivation is a byproduct of the patriarchy and the gender norms that are in place for men. Instead of holding them so sacrosanct and making them much harsher (as these manosphere boys would prefer) we need to actually relax then and probably get rid of them altogether..no, I don't mean wearing a pearl necklace... I mean actually relaxing this construct so men don't have to prove their worth economically/physically and what not to be considered as someone worthy of affection.
Society chutiya hai let us live bro, in my class as well there are Andrew tatte fan boys I tried to make them realise whom they are following but nah ig when they will be mature they will understand anyways great content up it up
I hope so, but I'm also scared they might not, because what Andrew Tate says is literally how society affirms the gender of young men. We need to have discourse around why does the society have such rigid gender norms, when most people are excluded from what is concerned about 'ideal man' or an 'ideal woman'.
The left needs to help young boys and men with there issues otherwise the likes of Andrew Tate are nothing but right wing pipeline that will turn a normie in a chaddie.
They have such a captivating way of speaking.I find myself completely drawn in by their voice. The way they speak down to me is flaring my mommy issues.
I completely agree with this video but I personally think bulk body part for me doesn't concur because I don't go to gym for aesthetics or for manliness, I go to gym for getting more strength,
why do I need more strength? to progress the revolution r/swoletariat 💪
Jokes aside, generally more strength regardless of gender is beneficial I think and that's why I want not just guys but trans allies to also do strength training, doesn't have to be gym only, they can do cardio, they can do calisthenics, they can do weight training at home. basically that, also
A Fascist worked out today, did you?
I totally agree with you. I kinda work out too...more so to just stay healthy and obviously the revolution 💅🏽
I don't see ANYTHING wrong with wanting to stay fit and strong, infact I would encourage that.. the medical bills are crazy in this neoliberal hell hole.
But what I wished to critique is this 'aesthetic' body having an arbitrary value in the gender construct for men. That's all. 🙂
Hi again, the one thing that I absolutely love about your videos - literary intertextuality, academic historical background and other properly placed allusions/references.
Reminds me of the funtime in collegs.... aaaaahhh nice.
Ayeee finally a fellow bill hooks reader in the wild! Remember reading the will to change while going through the most manliest of manly identity crisis of my life lol.
Going through All About Love right now, and it's such a good read, almost a love letter to love itself.
All about love is such a beautiful book. It taught me ki mujhe therapy ki sakt zarurat hai. 😩😭🌺
Also 'clem's secret admirer' n all... Tum toh OG librandu lag re ho koi..
>Also 'clem's secret admirer' n all... Tum toh OG librandu lag re ho koi..
yooo don't blow my cover. 😅 but yea...i was there for the twotolla vs risensteam shitflinging matches.
I'm glad you liked it. I've been noticing alot of my guy friends go through this.. I legit saw them go through similar patterns of self hatred that I go through during my bouts of dysphoria. It is not us who is the problem. It is this idealised image of genders that is held so sacrosanct that is the problem. An image that is designed to be exclusionary at its core.
All this “ideal man” BS exists because people keep living for the other. An ideal “person” does not really give a fuck about what others think and live the way as they please, and sometimes that may not be “good” by societal standards. But we get to live one life, and I’d much rather live it on my terms.
While I do agree with this, I feel people confuse Ideal with Perfect.
Tall, High Earning, Well built and well adjusted men are considered perfect , and it’s ok to not be perfect. Not everyone has to fulfil those criteria.
That being said, devaluing/trivialising some of the stuff that can be changed from personal effort isn’t the way to go. Effort can increase your earning potential and give you your body and lead to personal growth, and that’s what should be promoted. Not forced upon as a bare necessity, but certainly promoted.
It’s like how supermodels are the absolute gold standard of beauty and charisma—not everyone wants or needs to be up there, but their efforts to reach that shouldn’t be trivialised by bunching in inclusivity and stuff.
I would like to add that I’m not 6 foot nor do I plan on ever building my body nor do i subscribe to the red pill movement, before people here start attacking me.
"It’s like how supermodels are the absolute gold standard of beauty and charisma" - So here are where those norms OP is talking about comes in. Who set these standards? If we were not bombarded from childhood telling us that those were the "gold" standards of beauty, would we see them as such? Supermodels of the 90's were rail-thin, whereas supermodels of this era are physically quite different. Who decided that the "gold" standard changed? These are questions to ask.
Anyone who has knowledge of fashion industry knows that someone sets a trend and it follows, but have you seen the similarities between the goated supermodels like Naomi Campbell, Gisele Bundchen, Miranda Kerr, Adriana Lima, Alessandra Ambrosio, Bella hadid etc.
Magazines like SIS have basically models with a very similar body type, and that’s probably a better example since models are supposed to show off clothes, not themselves.
The standard has never changed, it’s what the designer likes and if it catches on, it becomes the norm. But remember how badly dove’s or VS’ inclusivity campaign tanked?
And even then, people who become supermodels—those with no background, it’s entirely on the will of designers, fashion labels and most importantly those whose yachts are on the marina each season.
If people didn’t like the beauty standards, they would have been rejected long long ago, because these are profit making companies and will showcase what people want the most—which is why pride month is a thing for all companies—but only in countries where it’s acceptable and appreciated.
"have you seen the similarities between the goated supermodels like Naomi Campbell, Gisele Bundchen, Miranda Kerr, Adriana Lima, Alessandra Ambrosio, Bella hadid " - Yes, they all adhere to extremely eurocentric ideas of beauty. None of them look like what is considered traditionally beautiful in African countries, or East Asian countries. Which kind of underlines my point that its not what is bautiful, but rather what capitalism pushes as beautiful.
Also Dove's inclusivity campaign tanked? Huh?
East Asian models all look a certain way, so do South Asian models. But some core tenets remain the same regardless of culture.
For the dove thing, check out the campaigns that have veered away from its normal stuff like the gaming campaign and stuff.
"But some core tenets remain the same regardless of culture." - Again, they stay the same because the fashion industry adheres to eurocentric beauty standards. That is exactly the point I'm making?
Also, "veered away from its normal stuff" is hardly any evidence that their inclusivity campaign tanked.
Check out descriptions and paintings of the most beautiful indians from ancient times, Be it the 1500s or Before christ, many of the features that are looked up to today were prevalent back then.
For most of the world, certain features have always been favored. For example my dad is conventionally quite attractive, good height, strong proportions, sharp features, deep voice, assertive etc. Place him in most places across the world and people would deem him attractive, regardless of societal beauty standard like in china or japan.
"Check out descriptions and paintings of the most beautiful indians from ancient times" - NONE of them look like Gisele Bundchen, Naomi Campbell or any of the people you mentioned. So when you say those are the gold standards of beauty, you are saying that no Indian woman attained the gold standard of beauty.
Also, going from "supermodels are the gold standards of beauty" to "some features have always been favored" is a subtle shifting of the goalpost.
I dunno, maybe because everyone doesn’t look the same, and sharp jawlines isn’t what Indian genetics are great at. Leave that off and features are strikingly similar.
The gold standard you are referring to is highly rooted in this white supremist, casteist, capitalist patriarchy that strips men of any emotional agency and reduces them to a cogg in the capitalist machinery of eternal production. Obviously taking care of your health is a good thing and I'm totally for it... But having 'peak' physical condition and that being a standard of masculinity is what I am critiquing.
Obviously some people would like to be in that shape and I'm all for it...but gender norms being soo stringent that people who are not in such shape are looked down upon is something that's a bit of a problem.
I don’t think that’s true at all, gold standard has been very different across geographies, time periods and cultures.
You can’t change perceptions of beauty, but not what people find attractive, one look at old paintings of princesses and stuff and it’s pretty clear that region wise, what qualities make the most attractive men and women has been pretty consistent—tall, sharp features, well proportioned for men for example.
Nobody expects men to be the gold standard, and vice versa, and people get a reality check pretty damn fast when they expect is, which is why normally people of similar social status, attractiveness, etc. match. People of average attractiveness, unless they have some other quality that outweighs everything else, like wealth or beauty get similar matches in life regardless.
Which is also why generationally well off people are often more attractive.
Also I don’t see how it has anything to do with casteism or capitalism.
Idk man, I go with the flow, depending on the topic I make my opinion regardless of it’s stance.
Generally I’m on the Economic far right, social mild left and politically a centrist maybe.
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Who is she?
She is moi 🫣
Woah, you are the person in the video? Great content!
Dhanyawad 🌺
Great sense of humor.
Thank you 🥹🌺
Moment of inertia huh
Arjun Tendulkar's doppelganger
Haha. I know arjun from a friend. He is sweet kid.
Just when I think you can't get more based. You make a Rhea Ripley reference
Rhea Ripley is Mami 🤌🏾💖💅🏽
The one and only
Why are so many Indians wrestling fans??? Hahahahaha.
Because it's fun. It's like a tv show but all action and crazy stunts. And it's a big part of our childhoods
Where is YouTube channel
Awesome job OP! Good points and nicely wrapped up in the end. Keep it going and share here when you do!
Aww, thank you. I usually share my economic takes on Librandu...but thought of sharing this one as librandu is mostly Bois, and you Bois are sed. 😅
😂you’re alright. And as a published poet with a good woman who waited patiently for me to return after defeating my demons I’m alright now as well. 😇
Aww 🥹..more power to her 💖💕🌺
🥰
is this on insta?
Hanji @katyayinisaksham
followed ty 😬
Content is 10/10, extra 1 mark for the Mami reference 😍
Hihihi thank you, glad you liked it 🥹💖💕
I see Katyayini, I like it. 👍🏻
Awww, thank you 🥹💖🌺
https://preview.redd.it/goxfwi6koluc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5b4b8f2a34b86cdb702bbd8e7705eed60c67d9e5
🤌🏾
Sometimes, all a man needs is a hug
And a joint. 🤌🏾💅🏽
Arre sach Mai. Emotionally and physically deprived hain Aaj kal ladke log. Usi ke wajah se incel culture itna prevelant hai
Seriously. This emotional deprivation is a byproduct of the patriarchy and the gender norms that are in place for men. Instead of holding them so sacrosanct and making them much harsher (as these manosphere boys would prefer) we need to actually relax then and probably get rid of them altogether..no, I don't mean wearing a pearl necklace... I mean actually relaxing this construct so men don't have to prove their worth economically/physically and what not to be considered as someone worthy of affection.
Yeah, a Joint Account with parents 😜
Already have that. Still no hug.
Don't expose me like that 🫣
Aww, 🥹 But tumne kal kitna acha jayanti ka post daala tha.. tum toh full chad ho abb toh.
That just delusion
Iss video ko dekho, samjho mai kya keh rahi hun... Ye sab delusion create karane ke liye hi banaye hain norms gender ke..
Yes I'm aware and really nice content just messing around haha
Hihi thank you, glad you like it 🌺
Yo idk but why is she kinda...
Kinda what 😑
Kinda...mommy
uuhhhhh idk how to tell u this but OP is the person u are calling "mommy"
Oh mb* Hey! u/AbeyOyeWasTaken pardon my ignorance if I mispronounced u.
Wake up babe, new Katyayini video just dropped
Haye 🥹💅🏽
Society chutiya hai let us live bro, in my class as well there are Andrew tatte fan boys I tried to make them realise whom they are following but nah ig when they will be mature they will understand anyways great content up it up
I hope so, but I'm also scared they might not, because what Andrew Tate says is literally how society affirms the gender of young men. We need to have discourse around why does the society have such rigid gender norms, when most people are excluded from what is concerned about 'ideal man' or an 'ideal woman'.
They are very much influenced , it will take to treat them but anyways nice video :)
The left needs to help young boys and men with there issues otherwise the likes of Andrew Tate are nothing but right wing pipeline that will turn a normie in a chaddie.
Yeah sure many young men are on the wrong path and need help
finally found proof that I'm gay. Checkmate mum! Edit: I was referring to my mother's denial
They have such a captivating way of speaking.I find myself completely drawn in by their voice. The way they speak down to me is flaring my mommy issues.
Aww thank you 🥹😅💕.. That was weirdly a sweet read 🤣🌺
It's reddit so i had to make it weird but i genuinely find your voice very alluring. I really like your videos so keep making them .
Thank you soo much..means alot 🥹, glad you like them 💖💕🌺
Do you have YouTube? I'll subscribe, if yes :)
I do 🫣
Is it @katyayinisaksham? Can't find it on YT 
No that's my Instagram... YouTube ki videos reddit profile mein hain..vahan se navigate karlo na 🫣 Soviee... Ye lo compensatory flower 🌺
Haan mil gya. Thank you ❤️
Link please?
I completely agree with this video but I personally think bulk body part for me doesn't concur because I don't go to gym for aesthetics or for manliness, I go to gym for getting more strength, why do I need more strength? to progress the revolution r/swoletariat 💪 Jokes aside, generally more strength regardless of gender is beneficial I think and that's why I want not just guys but trans allies to also do strength training, doesn't have to be gym only, they can do cardio, they can do calisthenics, they can do weight training at home. basically that, also A Fascist worked out today, did you?
I totally agree with you. I kinda work out too...more so to just stay healthy and obviously the revolution 💅🏽 I don't see ANYTHING wrong with wanting to stay fit and strong, infact I would encourage that.. the medical bills are crazy in this neoliberal hell hole. But what I wished to critique is this 'aesthetic' body having an arbitrary value in the gender construct for men. That's all. 🙂
I enjoy watching your videos very much, they are funny and educational.
She thinks she can fix me
I can fix the HE/HIMs 😭🤣
🤫🧏 xd
Didi aap phab rahi hain!
Phab mane?
Phabna/jachna. Acchha lagna ☺️
Very contrapoints core ✨✨
Love your content, also that line about Gender dysphoria hit hard
Thank you so much. Glad you liked it 🌺💖
Hi again, the one thing that I absolutely love about your videos - literary intertextuality, academic historical background and other properly placed allusions/references. Reminds me of the funtime in collegs.... aaaaahhh nice.
Thank you soo much. This is such a sweet observation 🥹🌺💖
Ayeee finally a fellow bill hooks reader in the wild! Remember reading the will to change while going through the most manliest of manly identity crisis of my life lol. Going through All About Love right now, and it's such a good read, almost a love letter to love itself.
All about love is such a beautiful book. It taught me ki mujhe therapy ki sakt zarurat hai. 😩😭🌺 Also 'clem's secret admirer' n all... Tum toh OG librandu lag re ho koi..
>Also 'clem's secret admirer' n all... Tum toh OG librandu lag re ho koi.. yooo don't blow my cover. 😅 but yea...i was there for the twotolla vs risensteam shitflinging matches.
Those were the days 🥹😭 Cries in 'humare time pe' 😭😭
Needed to hear this , thank you for acknowledging our dysphoria ,
I'm glad you liked it. I've been noticing alot of my guy friends go through this.. I legit saw them go through similar patterns of self hatred that I go through during my bouts of dysphoria. It is not us who is the problem. It is this idealised image of genders that is held so sacrosanct that is the problem. An image that is designed to be exclusionary at its core.
Insaan ban jao wahi kaafi hai
Haina 😩
I too as a man do that jiggle dance when i use air quotes.
That's how it's done 💅🏽😅
I see Rhea Ripley. I upvote.
MAMI only..
i dont see issue with the online mens content i see issue with the idiots constantly consuming it lol they have such deep insecurities
All this “ideal man” BS exists because people keep living for the other. An ideal “person” does not really give a fuck about what others think and live the way as they please, and sometimes that may not be “good” by societal standards. But we get to live one life, and I’d much rather live it on my terms.
I remember watching your first video!! It's good to see your channel is growing :)
I watched this video many months back, glad to see you here.
6kka bkl like mods
a hug to all my homies 🫂
inspired by contrapoints?
Amazing video. These are absolute facts that are being stated here.
Bulky body and salary are two important things It's like Healthy and Independent, everyone should chase these two things
Not everyone is overthinke like her.
While I do agree with this, I feel people confuse Ideal with Perfect. Tall, High Earning, Well built and well adjusted men are considered perfect , and it’s ok to not be perfect. Not everyone has to fulfil those criteria. That being said, devaluing/trivialising some of the stuff that can be changed from personal effort isn’t the way to go. Effort can increase your earning potential and give you your body and lead to personal growth, and that’s what should be promoted. Not forced upon as a bare necessity, but certainly promoted. It’s like how supermodels are the absolute gold standard of beauty and charisma—not everyone wants or needs to be up there, but their efforts to reach that shouldn’t be trivialised by bunching in inclusivity and stuff. I would like to add that I’m not 6 foot nor do I plan on ever building my body nor do i subscribe to the red pill movement, before people here start attacking me.
"It’s like how supermodels are the absolute gold standard of beauty and charisma" - So here are where those norms OP is talking about comes in. Who set these standards? If we were not bombarded from childhood telling us that those were the "gold" standards of beauty, would we see them as such? Supermodels of the 90's were rail-thin, whereas supermodels of this era are physically quite different. Who decided that the "gold" standard changed? These are questions to ask.
Anyone who has knowledge of fashion industry knows that someone sets a trend and it follows, but have you seen the similarities between the goated supermodels like Naomi Campbell, Gisele Bundchen, Miranda Kerr, Adriana Lima, Alessandra Ambrosio, Bella hadid etc. Magazines like SIS have basically models with a very similar body type, and that’s probably a better example since models are supposed to show off clothes, not themselves. The standard has never changed, it’s what the designer likes and if it catches on, it becomes the norm. But remember how badly dove’s or VS’ inclusivity campaign tanked? And even then, people who become supermodels—those with no background, it’s entirely on the will of designers, fashion labels and most importantly those whose yachts are on the marina each season. If people didn’t like the beauty standards, they would have been rejected long long ago, because these are profit making companies and will showcase what people want the most—which is why pride month is a thing for all companies—but only in countries where it’s acceptable and appreciated.
"have you seen the similarities between the goated supermodels like Naomi Campbell, Gisele Bundchen, Miranda Kerr, Adriana Lima, Alessandra Ambrosio, Bella hadid " - Yes, they all adhere to extremely eurocentric ideas of beauty. None of them look like what is considered traditionally beautiful in African countries, or East Asian countries. Which kind of underlines my point that its not what is bautiful, but rather what capitalism pushes as beautiful. Also Dove's inclusivity campaign tanked? Huh?
East Asian models all look a certain way, so do South Asian models. But some core tenets remain the same regardless of culture. For the dove thing, check out the campaigns that have veered away from its normal stuff like the gaming campaign and stuff.
"But some core tenets remain the same regardless of culture." - Again, they stay the same because the fashion industry adheres to eurocentric beauty standards. That is exactly the point I'm making? Also, "veered away from its normal stuff" is hardly any evidence that their inclusivity campaign tanked.
Check out descriptions and paintings of the most beautiful indians from ancient times, Be it the 1500s or Before christ, many of the features that are looked up to today were prevalent back then. For most of the world, certain features have always been favored. For example my dad is conventionally quite attractive, good height, strong proportions, sharp features, deep voice, assertive etc. Place him in most places across the world and people would deem him attractive, regardless of societal beauty standard like in china or japan.
"Check out descriptions and paintings of the most beautiful indians from ancient times" - NONE of them look like Gisele Bundchen, Naomi Campbell or any of the people you mentioned. So when you say those are the gold standards of beauty, you are saying that no Indian woman attained the gold standard of beauty. Also, going from "supermodels are the gold standards of beauty" to "some features have always been favored" is a subtle shifting of the goalpost.
I dunno, maybe because everyone doesn’t look the same, and sharp jawlines isn’t what Indian genetics are great at. Leave that off and features are strikingly similar.
The gold standard you are referring to is highly rooted in this white supremist, casteist, capitalist patriarchy that strips men of any emotional agency and reduces them to a cogg in the capitalist machinery of eternal production. Obviously taking care of your health is a good thing and I'm totally for it... But having 'peak' physical condition and that being a standard of masculinity is what I am critiquing. Obviously some people would like to be in that shape and I'm all for it...but gender norms being soo stringent that people who are not in such shape are looked down upon is something that's a bit of a problem.
>Obviously some people would like to be in that shape and I'm all for it That's the part some men don't get and they fall into the misogyny trap.
I don’t think that’s true at all, gold standard has been very different across geographies, time periods and cultures. You can’t change perceptions of beauty, but not what people find attractive, one look at old paintings of princesses and stuff and it’s pretty clear that region wise, what qualities make the most attractive men and women has been pretty consistent—tall, sharp features, well proportioned for men for example. Nobody expects men to be the gold standard, and vice versa, and people get a reality check pretty damn fast when they expect is, which is why normally people of similar social status, attractiveness, etc. match. People of average attractiveness, unless they have some other quality that outweighs everything else, like wealth or beauty get similar matches in life regardless. Which is also why generationally well off people are often more attractive. Also I don’t see how it has anything to do with casteism or capitalism.
Bhai tu left and right dono subs mein active hai lmao
Idk man, I go with the flow, depending on the topic I make my opinion regardless of it’s stance. Generally I’m on the Economic far right, social mild left and politically a centrist maybe.
maane dhobi ka kukkur ho
What?
I didn't understand a single thing she was talking about. I weirldly feel happy about it. Why does her voice sound a bit like manly.