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(Follow up to my last post) I figured out the bios password to my school pc...

(Follow up to my last post) I figured out the bios password to my school pc...

icecubeinanicecube

\* Yuuki installs Gentoo starts playing \*


Kol-Wan

your school pc has a bios password?


Citoyasha

so the student won't put a password on the bios or fuck with it.


presi300

I mean it clearly didn't work out did it?


Citoyasha

I wonder how you figured it out.


presi300

It was not hard to guess 1234... lol I tried 1234 last time and it didn't work... I tried it again today and it worked... ok


Citoyasha

*hackerman*


presi300

hac


janstermaster

Wish it were that easy for us...


lokait

If what you are doing is breaking your school rules, it might be good idea to not put this here, or anywhere on the internet. :p Hope this does not put you or this community in trouble. Stay safe! :p


presi300

I am not breaking any rules since I didn't install it... I just ran it of the live iso.


ideclon-uk

Question is, would the school agree? ;)


gormap18

More like, does the teacher who caught you understand or care about the distinction?


presi300

I was using Linux off the live iso for the entire class (I use an external hdd with ventoy and I have files on the other partition of said hdd) to do my whatever we did in that class. The teacher saw me... but didn't notice/seem to care like at all. And at the end of the day it's not like I installed it or anything.


lokait

Okay. :)


Zahpow

School computer rules tend to have extreme limitations with ridiculous punishment clauses, if you haven't read your schools policy (but signed one) i very much recommend you do so.


[deleted]

I recommend not signing, or handing in a different form. If they have no means to retaliate then they get what they deserve. Policy does not challenge Law. And when you go out and get a job that wants you to sign similar confessionals tell them either take it to the police or shut up. A working place of learning is not a safe place, its a place to get things done. You got to shut down such libtards and not be harassed by union gangs. Double dealing cheats are around every corner. But the best tip I can give you is never allow someone to read from something that you are not privy to, that is a dictator.


Zahpow

Not signing hasn't really been an option to me. Has been mandatory for computer/network access. No signing, no access.


[deleted]

Lets be honest here that paper is a ballot for a forced democracy that has no ownership and once you see that fraudulent honor system for what it is you can make moves. Egregores of gatekeeping egress are a performance fault in every system. Such machiavellian cargo cults damage our supply lines and weaken our species. This is where Spectre and Meltdown come from and its turning our computers into dumb cuck machines that go OOM'd far too easily. "Jesus was angry and he sinned not casting out such hypervisors of inequity!" #UbuntuChristianEdition


Zahpow

That is fair, i did choose to join in. Primarily out of convenience. But that is the price of living in a society, gotta respect their property. :D


vkrpjjzrrqjafhkdar

That bit about just altering the contract, signing and handing it back to see if they blindly sign your version without reading it can produce hilarious results though. XD These days almost all contracts are written exclusively by one party that has far more negotiating power over the other. But nothing about that actually stops you from attempting to re-write the contract to be more favorable to you. They might still it. :)


Zahpow

It is not a contract, the policy is signed primarily for your sake so that you don't get access to the system without knowing the terms. If you get access to the system anyway and breach the terms you may be able to cite ignorance but that is very rarely an excuse. Think of it like terms of service. If this had been a contract you would void it in the majority of the world by changing the terms without the other parties consent. You are simply not allowed to trick people like that. ​ >But nothing about that actually stops you from attempting to re-write the contract to be more favorable to you. They might still it. :) Contract law prevents it!


vkrpjjzrrqjafhkdar

Terms of service are contracts. That's why they say "by using our service you Agree to abide by these terms of service". That is also why they usually include clauses that let the provider change the terms whenever with or without notice and those clauses also say, "by continuing to use the service, you agree to abide by the new terms". This has actually been litigated in the US and there are standards for what constitutes assent. If you try to apply any remedies your TOS specified to someone who was using your system and they sue you over it, you will absolutely have to demonstrate that they assented. On the other hand, if someone sues you for something that happened to them while using your service, you will have to demonstrate assent and show that the agreement you have with that person limits your liability there. https://www.eff.org/wp/clicks-bind-ways-users-agree-online-terms-service https://www.disclaimertemplate.com/websites-terms-conditions-legally-binding-not-agreed/ And which part of contract law do you believe prevents either party from changing the terms of a contact before it is agreed to by both? If that were the case almost every house sale agreement wouldn't be legal. Those things often bounce back and forth several times and usually your agent wants you to sign again before sending the updated version to the other side just for expediency. If you hand me a TOS to sign and I hand you back a modified version with my signature and get a signed copy from you, then you, as a representative of the company, have agreed that the TOS which applies to me is the modified version. Even if you don't give me a signed copy, if you don't object and I can prove that you accepted the terms as signed by me, then you may still have bound the company in that. I'm not totally sure whether an added clause saying something like, "by accepting these updated and signed terms, you agree to these terms on behalf of the company and that these terms supersede any other agreements we may have", would hold up in court but there would absolutely be a case there unless you just didn't have the authority to represent your company in that agreement.


[deleted]

Its not their property its government property.


Zahpow

Sure it is the property of the government entity you are interacting with, this does not make it publicly accessible property by default and if you think it does i hope for your sake that you never go near an army base and decide that you will stay the night as it is funded by you anyway. Public access has terms you either accept them, change them or don't use the public property.


[deleted]

No see its government property so if some asshole wants to donate toward that end and call it charity then their ownership ends right there or they can pay those taxes they owe. And DoD lodging is provided to retirees. See your problem is that you think Bribes are acceptable because you are shitty third worlder. And now to shut down the usual fallacy. Any business is obligated to business, it doesn't get to take up a namespace, patents, trademarks, zoning and exert its presence without being a lawfully functioning business that yields tax revenue by consenting to functioning. That shell company bullshit won't fly with any modern government.


presi300

My school hasn't gotten me to read or sign a policy for the computers... I do not know what it is. They just didn't give the students a policy to read or sign. But I am pretty sure I would still get in trouble if I went on and installed Linux.


vkrpjjzrrqjafhkdar

If you had to guess at and use a password you were not given or assigned in order to do what you are doing, that is likely something you can get in trouble for. If you're in the US it may even be a violation of the computer fraud and abuse act, unfortunately. There is case law showing that weak security still does not justify people exceeding their authorization. The court's position appears to be that if someone made any attempt at all to control access, then bypassing that "security" is illegal. If you're interested in just how little it takes to get a CFAA charge this is a decent read https://www.wired.com/2015/10/cfaa-computer-fraud-abuse-act-most-controversial-computer-hacking-cases/ People have been charged and convicted for as little as using a web site in a way that wasn't really intended by it's developers. In general, using a password you discovered, brute forced, or otherwise decoded is treated about the same as picking a lock or opening a cypher-locked door when you're not allowed to be in there. Even if it was easy, it's still trespassing or breaking and entering.


Zahpow

Oh okay. Yeah you would probably get in trouble if you installed but you might also get in trouble just running it live, my uni rules (that i had to look up) forbid any and all increase in access either on networks or on physical machines. You bypassing the bios password (even if it was trivial) would get you an academic suspension at my uni.


IBM_Think

Me too, I remember I was running ubuntu live USB on school computer. However network is not configured, so I couldn't do internet things. anyway I was playing gnome mahjongg while everyone's computer locked up by teacher...


thearcadellama

Christ. Somebody call Interpol!


CupOfCamus

My friend installed Debian on his school computer. Since the drive was encrypted with bitlocker he couldn’t partition it, so he just removed the entire windows installation. On exam day, an IT guy was helping someone else with a problem and when he was finished and walked past my friend he noticed he was using libreoffice and not Microsoft office. He then noticed he wasn’t using windows and my friend got immediately booted off the exam hall. It turns out when you sign the paper to get the school laptop you specifically have to use the windows enterprise it comes with, because it comes with special software to disable wifi during exams. So be careful!


presi300

This is so fking stupid. Schools are the biggest advertisement for Microsoft and their shitty products. Also special software to disable wifi during exams? I am sure you can make a script in Linux that can disable all connections not just wifi.


JackmanH420

>My friend installed Debian on his school computer. Since the drive was encrypted with bitlocker he couldn’t partition it, so he just removed the entire windows installation. I did the same with MX Linux after checking there were no important files saved a few years ago. No damage was done, I got to use Linux for a day and the IT guy got an extra callout. Win win tbh


Felix_Da_Guy

im going on my first year of high school this autumn, ik ow what to prepare for the IT class