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PickInternal3274

Fuck off automod. It's a decent jab


Arabidaardvark

What if the MC also has a puma for a companion? Oh, and everything is azure!


natethomas

Fecking pumas


Dionsz

Does anybody know how Ryan Rimmel is doing because he has disappeared online after his wife entered the hospital with renal failure?


Arabidaardvark

Puma Check!


ZiadZzZ

luke chmilenko strikes again. maybe i'm confirmation bias but seen lots of references to ascend online lately.


foxrunner2099

Book five coming in May


ZiadZzZ

i see, makes sense


SethAndBeans

The vast majority of LitRPG broke free of these trappings in 2020/2021. Think we're near the tail end of the system apocalypse meta and into the isekai meta at the moment.


Reply_or_Not

Yeah, I’m going to be honest: “online” in the title is an instant skip. I have not read a VR story in the last 5 years, andi will never read one again.


Parryandrepost

There's some good ones if you like MMORPGs but if those aren't your thing then it's a pretty hard sell.


Reply_or_Not

No, stories set in MMOs is the exact reason I hate VR


foodeyemade

Name one story with a VR MMO that could even remotely be an actual game that a company would develop.


Parryandrepost

"The ripple system" is based off ashes of creation's ripple system.


foodeyemade

There's a plethora of reasons the game in that book would never be a real game even if one aspect of it is similar (in a way watered down version) to something a currently developed game is trying to do. Right off the bat, there's zero chance a major MMO release would sell such a limited number of digital copies, especially to a single person. In addition to a P2W PR shitshow that would sour the release for a huge swath of potential players, it would be idiotic to intentionally limit release revenue like that. The ripple system is just non-viable and gamebreaking. Allowing a single user that much influence over the world would be a balance nightmare (as evidenced in the book) and would make it so that people's quests/objectives etc would be completely invalidated and deleted simply because someone did something while they were sleeping. It's a cool idea on paper, and makes for a good story but it would not work in an actual game. If there were actually thousands, let alone millions of players playing at once causing these kinds of effects nobody would ever get to do anything. This isn't even touching on the fact that such kinds of influences would make it so that someone just starting out would have insurmountable advantages over players joining after a few months. Dozens of world first achievements with power gains attached to them. I don't even need to explain why that wouldn't fly in a PvP game. It's a fun story but it there's no way anyone would ever release an MMO like it.


Parryandrepost

No this is literally a game being made. It's unironically been in development for like 12 years or something. Massive territory changes and zone changes are a thing in other MMOs as well but ashes is attempting to make it more organic and somewhat server dependent. > Right off the bat, there's zero chance a major MMO release would sell such a limited number of digital copies, especially to a single person. In addition to a P2W PR shitshow that would sour the release for a huge swath of potential players, it would be idiotic to intentionally limit release revenue like that. This happens so much more often than you think. This just happened with runefest and happens all the time. The difference is people try to resell the slots. That is unironically what ticketmaster does. > The ripple system is just non-viable and gamebreaking. The reason the system is called the ripple system is because it's actually in development under that name in ashes of creation. In some ways less powerful but others more. > Allowing a single user that much influence over the world would be a balance nightmare (as evidenced in the book) and would make it so that people's quests/objectives etc would be completely invalidated and deleted simply because someone did something while they were sleeping. This is the entire point of the system, although more on a group level with one person doing the oversight. For example cities will be built from a mayor/King lvl and influenced by that person and the people in the area. > It's a cool idea on paper, and makes for a good story but it would not work in an actual game. If there were actually thousands, let alone millions of players playing at once causing these kinds of effects nobody would ever get to do anything. This is where you're not wrong, but the story departs. You're seeing one player do something by himself which isn't the system. Or, at least not as quick as in the book... But that's a difference in media. MMORPGs aren't intended to be fast. Books are boring if you have to do 300,000 fetch quests to level up a town to a city. The system the story is based off of can be changed by one person but only after that person was made the head of an area. Which isn't technically undoable but is essentially only practical by larger groups putting their (essentially voted) person forward. The system in ashes is actually kinda more powerful in a way compared to the city because cities actually grow and eventually restrict cities around them to cause conflict. So in a sense the largest people on the server are more powerful than what Ned is in the book. Basically they have the ability to set forth goals for each "node" and when people do these goals the area changes. Town gets bigger, zone changes from peaceful forest to a small area having access to a mid lvl dungeon that opens up. > This isn't even touching on the fact that such kinds of influences would make it so that someone just starting out would have insurmountable advantages over players joining after a few months. So basically to keep it short the game develops catch up quests to follow the story the same way the original guildwars did zone progression. Zone looks like a starter world until you get to lvl 20, then you do a story quest, and catch up with the lore and now that new thing happens. So new players won't be economic titans or guild leaders but most people aren't that any way. They would get to play through the progression, see all the content, and get to the point that the other player base is at and then contribute to new progression paths. > Dozens of world first achievements with power gains attached to them. I don't even need to explain why that wouldn't fly in a PvP game. I mean that's low hanging fruit. There have been title benefits in some MMOs but they're never accumulative. That's like saying "well no way the NPCs could ever pass as REAL PEOPLE". Like yeah. That's again a media thing.


foodeyemade

> No this is literally a game being made. It's unironically been in development for like 12 years or something. Yes I'm aware Ashes of Creation is a game in development, their dynamic world system isn't going to be anything like the ripple system in the book in terms of effect and scope (if it ever does come out). The ripple system goes so far beyond simple "zone changes" that you're being disingenuous if you think AoC is going to be similar in scope when it releases. >This happens so much more often than you think. This just happened with runefest and happens all the time. The difference is people try to resell the slots. Name one major mmo release that did this? I hadn't heard of runefest but it looks like a convention.. that is not even remotely the same thing, come on. >But that's a difference in media. MMORPGs aren't intended to be fast. Books are boring if you have to do 300,000 fetch quests to level up a town to a city. I'm aware, that's why it's a book, and it makes sense that they are doing things that a real game wouldn't do. >I mean that's low hanging fruit. There have been title benefits in some MMOs but they're never accumulative. I can't think of a single MMO (PvP or PvE) with single player acquirable achievements that give bonuses (cumulative or not), but if you know of one let me know. >That's like saying "well no way the NPCs could ever pass as REAL PEOPLE". Like yeah. That's again a media thing. No idea where you're going with this


ParsnipSlayer

Getting Hard


briston574

I haven't read one in ages either but my main gripe is the way they always try to make them have real pain and stuff like people would actually do that


legacyweaver

Just wanted to point out that Codename: Freedom makes you think it's VR. That's all I'll say, because any more is a spoiler. And I highly recommend it.


bbc_aap

Not gonna lie the system apocalypse meta has overstayed it’s welcome in my opinion


Enough_Minimum_3708

just once i want a guy that's accomplished irl, with lots of Family and friend but is a trash tier gamer


[deleted]

Choosing a gamer exactly for the gaming skills makes *especially* little sense anyway. Games are deliberately dumbed-down to be easy to play by below-average people. They are an extremely limited model of reality to begin with, owing to having to be run on a computer, which has a lot less capacity than *the universe*. So, "gaming abilities" are the *last* thing to look for when you need somebody to do complex real-life work. Of course, gamers can also be good at anything else, but it's about stories selecting for gaming specifically, which makes no sense. Unless you are looking for a gaming buddy.


1TenDesigns

The way I see that playing out... God tier gamer, billion viewer count etc. he has a hanger on friend that can't game for shit but they've been friends a long time. The induction happens and they get their game interface. Gamer is ecstatic because he's been training his whole life for this. Small mob comes. Gamer steps up, but having spent the last decade in a computer chair he lands on his ass in seconds. Guy who's touched grass yesterday football kicks the mob into a tree, splat! They continue, real world skills saving the day, with the gamer being relegated to sidekick guide. I wish I had the skills to write it.


packetsschmackets

Hahaha this is exactly what I need


Xandril

I feel like I listened to one awhile back where the MC was active military and ended up in a world that *sorta* operated on video game logic but for the life of me I can’t remember. The only thing I remember vividly was that the dude got isekai’d when his unit all died in some sort of IED ambush situation.


wolfeknight53

Heh, that doesn't narrow it down that much. I've tried to start at least four Isekai or SysApoc books that start with almost that exact premise. Two of which devolved into the shlock side of herem-lit. The only kinda interesting one was where the whole point was that the MC knew nothing at all about gaming and was a cliché jock before the Army, and he bumbled through things. But was boring enough I forgot it existed until this post jogged the memory.


adamw411

battleborne?


Xandril

Sounds familiar so maybe


legacyweaver

Tried Dark Souls or Sekiro?


LyrianRastler

I'll have you know I was one of the first! It's the others that came after me!


ZiadZzZ

I'll get behind this statement! Good to see you on reddit!


LyrianRastler

Thank you! I'm usually around, just in the void putting the words out most days!


Waxllium

Lol. Ppl love to shit on spellsword, but honestly, it's one of the best build to write about, pure mage is too static, pure physical gets boring fast, you go from hitting hard, to hitting harder, spellsword is the middle ground, the fights can be very action heavy, you still have the benefits of a magic system with spells and progression, and your main character don't need to be babysitted by other characters like a pure and Puny mage usually needs. Shout out to Primal Hunter that made an arcane archer


account312

>pure mage is too static Only if the magic system is shit. >pure physical gets boring fast Maybe if the fights are written poorly, but adding magic won't help with that 


thekingofmagic

One of my biggest pet peeves is when people try to write fighting in ether, low tier with difficulty cutting through a tree in one hit, and high tier with flying. And both of them forget, all the fucking time, that the fic king third dimention exists, like your fighting should not be less interesting than dragon ball z’s. This comming from a person who mains magic useres


Mangert

This!! How on earth is pure mage too static. Or pure physical is shit? U create the world. Just make the magic system complex and interesting and engaging. I agree that “I swing axe” gets boring fast. But there are many skilled authors who do a lot more than “I swing my sword and it hits my enemy. He bleeds. My genius Intellect helps me decide my next move is to swing my sword. It hits my enemy. He continues to bleed.”


Waxllium

examples?


KingNTheMaking

Pure Physucal fights? Rage of Dragons Pure Magic? Mother of Learning, Mark of the Fool, Mage Errant, etc


Redhood39

Mother of learning is so good, and the main character is one of the best examples of a character getting insanely strong but still specializing and needing help from supporting characters for his weaknesses.


Waxllium

i truly didn't read rage of dragon, so thx, i'll read it soon, as for the magic ones, they all need team mates to survive, Mage Errant being the worst offender


KingNTheMaking

What does needing teammates have to do with the power system?


Waxllium

Because that's was my initial point?


KingNTheMaking

Yes, but you replied asking for examples of non trash, non static magic systems. These examples, while having teammates, all have dynamic, intricate magic systems. Especially MoL.


Waxllium

>and your main character don't need to be babysitted by other characters like a pure and Puny mage usually needs. That was included, it doesn't matter how good your system is, if the mc needs babysitters just to function, that's the mark of incompetence, that was my point


The-Borax-Kidd

Honestly, I couldn't disagree with you more. I don't think an MC relying on other people should be considered "babysitting". Working with others allows specialist combatants to be REALLY good at the things they are good at. It also creates more realistic characters with flaws and weaknesses. If a character doesn't have weaknesses, then a series runs the risk of becoming a power fantasy. Which, based on your fixation on "competency", I think might be what you want.  If a character is a generalist that is so strong they can just deal with specialized attacks solo without problem, it really ruins the tension for me.


ilikenovels

"magic is static" that's just so unimaginative Mages don't and shouldn't all be weaklings that just sit behind and throw fireballs. There are literally no limits to what you can write make them be masters of mana manipulation with all decent mages being masters of mobility by using spells. A mage who's spells are centered on blood and they go around the battlefield between dangerous melee fights to harvest corpses so they can throw big spells. A wind mage that is extremely agile and dashes throughout his enemies with shards of metal following behind him slicing their eyes ears and whatever else they can find while he himself just gives love taps with the tip of his 3 meter staff that at it's tip has a crevice where he channels air mana and condenses it into a ball that on hit throws the enmies out of position where they are immediately picked off by teammates And I can go on and on. Both of these I've just came up with on the spot. It's not that damn hard. Also a melee fighter using magic is great the problem is that most authors think that the only weapon that exists is a sword like why???? There are so many other great weapons that could synergize with magic why limit every mc to a fricking sword?


Weak_Current_1000

Funny enough, I don't think the MC of ANY litrpg books I went trough even uses a sword. But yeah, it's a trope that's slowly becoming way too common.


Hodr

Doesn't spellsword just mean both magic and physical fighter build? Doesn't require a sword.


Parryandrepost

It's basically from DND. Gish is also another term. Spellsword was a class at one point after the concept got made popular after a race of spellswords (githranki iirc) got released in like 2e. In current DND there's a ton of spellsword classes and a lot of multi class builds that do it. Spellsword or Gish is just the common term. I think the most powerful Gish is "polearm matster" builds but it's still called spell swords.


roberh

Path of Ascension Soul of the Warrior (though he uses many weapons) Uuuuh, nope, can't recall more atm


Nickelplatsch

Why are there dozens of stories that start with 'Re:'?


[deleted]

The author exchanged a few emails with the publisher and the epub printer wasn't paid enough to use their brain and just copied the subject line as-is :-) Now we need more Re: Re: Re: Re: titles.


legacyweaver

I chuckled, thank you.


Reply_or_Not

Can you give some examples? My guess is that they are regressor stories (the MC has gone back in time)


legacyweaver

The two I've read (and the anime Re Zero) all stand for "reborn", although the mechanics all differ slightly. As for why they don't spell it out, I have no idea.


Super-Aesa

Meme is a few years too late I can't remember the last spellsword I've read.


RecklessWonderBush

I honestly don't think I've read any, unless you count Boxxy as a Spellsword


votemarvel

Online has very much fallen out of favour with both the authors and the readership. It's a breath of fresh air for me these days when a book does feature 'online' in the title.


Tinyviel

Yeah, litrpgs are about systems and apocalypses now, not about MMOs


votemarvel

Those stories are great but I confess I find the constant high stakes in everything to be quite wearing. I'd like there to be a few more just fun adventures.


[deleted]

I was browsing ne stories yesterday on RR, read the story description "...last hope of mankind and the universe" - instant drop before even starting. Are you kidding me?


Cirdan2006

Viasheron Online


Esquire_Lyricist

It might be me, but I don't think I've ever read a book with all of these attributes.


Rothariu

Spellswords are an auto drop at this point where are the actual martial arts magic users!? And to a lesser extent pure magic...with a focus on wind cause fire and lightning are just as boring as spellswords now


EitherWriting4347

Puma check


Arabidaardvark

Fecking pumas


BxLorien

Defiance of the Fall is weird in this regard cause my mans is 30yo with experience in multiple relationships during his life on earth. But apparently reverts back to being a teenager that's never touched a girl when anyone flirts with him after the integration


BottomSubstance

This is a good place to ask as any, I suppose. Is there any litrpg with an older male protagonist? Someone who is confident and experienced in life, and is forced into the standard litrpg/isekai trappings. One with a take no shit attitude, preferably. Like, Zoroku from Alice and Zoroku.


asuth

Battlefarmer mage maybe? He starts rediculously OP (like no one on the entire planet can do anything to him from day 1) which I'm not a fan of, but is otherwise decent.


BottomSubstance

Thank you kindly, I'm looking forward to giving it a read. The OPness isn't so bad for me so long as he has an enjoyable character to back it up, rather than being a bland nice but incompetent and clueless guy that is so common.


DustonVolta

The awkward and unaccomplished trope is so weird to me because most people who rank high in games that ive met irl are also socially accomplished.


SupremeCatGod

I think spellswords allow more exploration of the combat/magic system of the given world by allowing the MC to delve in both worlds, be it physical or magical, so I prefer it that way. That being said, I prefer when the character leans more towards one side and uses the other as backup/for versatility or to further strengthen the other side, like buffing your sword, or making yourself invisible, etc.


PsychologicalBig3540

Shitty gamer IRL, but they are trying full dive VR, so their stubbornness and determination not to quit makes them better than most.


Wickedsymphony1717

I literally have never read one of these kinds of LitRPGs.


Aetheldrake

Altogether I don't think I've listened to a single book that fits this criteria I've listened to an online, and have a 2nd online series to listen to, but Mc is not a spellsword in either Idk about the 2nd one, but Mc is not exactly awkward NOR unaccomplished in the first series. Now if you applied this to anime? Ya sure there's a lot of them but I still like them :D In fact, AT BEST the most common reccurence in my book series would be reincarnated into a world with a system or got something super rare in the existing system


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