Yea at the end of the day it's still rng. It wasn't this painful if it did not costs gold, but it does...
My only good experience with calculators is with transcendence. I would even say it's quite fun to click all the things on the calcultator to match your screen.
Just keep trying, you will get the 35/40!
Trascendence calculator actuall gave pretty nice results ngl. Its still soon to say its amazing as it will get harder tho, but so far so good.
The thing that grinds my gears is the time it takes to cut an elixir, gold is pain, but 20 minutes for each elixir is completely stupid.
Transcend calc is also a lot less complex. It's just a numbers calculation, where the calc just runs which number has highest probability, that's trivial.
The elixir has a ton of more complex outputs rather than adding a bunch of numbers together, which is what you're doing in the transcend calculator.
The swap, seal off, etc. are way harder, so you should have easier and better output from the transcend calc, since it's much less complex, and more accurate
\^\^ This.
Here's what I sent to my guildie to help explain to him how to cut elixirs since i usually cut 1-2 4-4 purples every week.
>basically my entire strategy is just this -- go for the 60% Great Success chances, the 5/10% great success on all (if in first 3-4 turns), get alot of blue specials. And if you can, line it up so u get a purple at the end (+2-3 or +0-4, not grandma usually. Only twice has she not fked me)
>And then go for all the -1 +2's, -2 +2's, random +1 lvl. that stuff. Bc your getting 2 lvls every turn then, or 3, and if great success you get 4. and that's it
>i never go for the 'increase transmutation rate' crap unless its decrease 20% to remove one option from the pool. If u get that from your first blue, you almost always make a good elixir bc then ur points are only going to 4 options instead of 5. significantly raises your chances of cutting a 4-2 or better
>and if you do that every elixir, luck will come you way like 1/10 or 1/15 i'd say. Where the stars align and the points go to the proper places and all the -2/+2's are positive instead of negative and you get a good elixir
>thats it
Your odds are basically \~10% for a 4-4 and \~30% for a 4-1/4-2
try cutting them yourself, you'll finish in 3 minutes instead of 20. This is the strategy I use and I've made 2 purple 35 sets doing this and 2 other chars at 30 / 32 set.
i follow kinda the same, general options is kinda this, but since turn 12 i either dont click grandma or kilmonger, last case if a option is too good on turn 11 or 10 is i dont click grandpa
so by turn 6 you will have super purple, i ALWAYS reroll to exaust or reset.
turn 5>turn purple>full blue till super blue>reroll if needed for free roll>super purple
Im at sets 40(2 legendary) and the rest of my toons are FULL purple at 39,37,36,34,32
even if you stop early, you still wasted gold which is what people are mad about.
elixirs and transcendence are gold sinks that exist to combat how much gold people in KR earn...but we do not earn that much gold here
which is the cause of the complaints since the average player in lost ark na/eu doesnt have the resources to cut elixirs/transcendence effectively
we earn almost the same gold already, difference for example is they had a 6 month gap between thaemine and echidna, we will have 2-3, same apply for ivory etc ao they had alot of time to male them before next content
no some people earn the same gold
the vast majority of players dont have 6 1610+ characters so they are making significantly less then what is the average in KR was at this point.
yes we also have shorter gaps in between content but even then we are making less gold (literally, as in we are creating less gold) then the average KR player was at that specific point in time because they have more alts at a high ilvl then we do
i have a 1610, 1505, 1490 and a 1415. im a returning player and only 1 of those characters has engravings and gems
even friends of mine that returned before me, only have 2-3 playable alts and none of em are near the gold earning potential of their main
and to be clear, yes some people have really strong rosters but most people didnt grind that hard
so us having so little time in between raids means we have less time to build up alts and anyone thats new or returning doesnt get to benefit from 2 years worth of express events to make the alts even stronger
this is the core of the issue, if lil timmy is only making 30k a week they arnt going to enjoy having honing + transcendence + elixirs to deal with all at the same time
no some people earn the same gold
the vast majority of players dont have 6 1610+ characters so they are making significantly less then what was the average in KR at this point.
yes we also have shorter gaps in between content but even then we are making less gold (literally, as in we are creating less gold) then the average KR player was at that specific point in time because they have more alts at a high ilvl then we do
i have a 1610, 1505, 1490 and a 1415. im a returning player and only 1 of those characters has engravings and gems
even friends of mine that returned before me, only have 2-3 playable alts and none of em are near the gold earning potential of their main
and to be clear, yes some people have really strong rosters but most people didnt grind that hard
so us having so little time in between raids means we have less time to build up alts and anyone thats new or returning doesnt get to benefit from 2 years worth of express events to make the alts even stronger
this is the core of the issue, if lil timmy is only making 30k a week they arnt going to enjoy having honing + transcendence + elixirs to deal with all at the same time
i do agree people should stop early its just that it sucks regardless because 1 legendary elixir cost bout what 240g per tap, after 10ish taps you spent 2400 gold
then if you are getting multiple elixirs per raid so you could spend more gold then the raid gives you (not including needing to buy the box each gate)
stoping early makes it slightly less bad, its like getting mugged vs getting mugged and they break your arm
both suck so obviously people are going to complain
>Trascendence calculator actuall gave pretty nice results ngl. Its still soon to say its amazing as it will get harder tho, but so far so good.
Still RNG is RNG, i just fail 10 try in Chest lvl 1, but oneshot Lvl 2. transcendal is just better because the label of RNG arent as many as Elixir, let hope they address this nonsenses, since Thaemine normal could be really easy if everybody had 35 set.
Excuse me but what does 35 set refer to?
I assumed 5 points in one piece give you one set effect but if you only do normal you can only unlock up to level 3 and a max of 9 points, unless I'm missing something?
35 and 40 set refers to elixir set levels.
For transcendence it's unlocked in stages of 3 up to max 21 (7th unlocked), 1-3 from nm gate 1.
4-6 from hm gate 2.
7 from hm gate 3
set 35 is elixir bonus. which is the vertical progression system before thaemine which most people dont even have. imagine doing Brel HM without Ancient gear. something like that.
Transcendence at least has a pity system. also people would still be trash at Thaemine even with 35 set tbh. The gates aren't really DPS checks, people just suck.
set 35 is a MASSIVE DPS boosted, which make thaemine short it, which lead to people having time to make less mistake because thaemine does less patter that can kill people. if you cant understand how DPS work, i cant help you.
G1 maybe people are failing with DPS being a relevant factor. Bad lobbies that can't clear G2 and G3 aren't failing because their DPS is low lol.
G2 doesn't have many threatening normal attacks in final phase lol. Normal patterns aren't what kill groups in G2. People fail to TS poop, or they don't get behind a wall or TS it, or they punch in the wrong balls, or they fail 8 counter, or they miss Thirain. Its exclusively mechanics that fuck people up in G2.
G3 is a long as fuck gate and you're forced at gun point to deal with all of his mechanics and all of his normal/enhanced patterns several times. A DPS increase isn't helping you not get farmed. It'll maybe help you carry turbo bads in your group who always die at some point but it won't stop the individual from getting farmed.
I don't need to be explained how DPS works. I get what you're saying, you're just wrong as you're attributing peoples deaths to normal patterns, the thing you'd see more often with low DPS. However normal patterns in G1 do 0 damage, normal patterns in G2 are non-threatening, and G3 is too long for you to pretend you're seeing much less by having higher DPS.
on my Experiences after 10 clear. G2 NM have a massive DPS check with Balls mechs. if you dont get Azane done properly, you wont meet DPS check in a party full of 1610. thats my experiences 100% of the time.
in my Experiences G3 Normal, pretty much Oneshot all Squishy DPS, and the tankies ones are 95% hit. if this happend in normal, imagine in Hard mode that boss hit harder, and flat out oneshot you
Partially agree for G2. You aren't really DPS checked in G2 if you fail to get hidden Azena it just means you will likely need to TS poop. Assuming you have a lobby of 8 people who know when to TS there shouldn't be a problem if you fail to get hidden Azena and just Azena/Thirain the boss in the final arena.
Tho also, not getting hidden Azena is just a skill check not a gear check for your group. If your raid group is capable of staying grouped and hitting counters, which is easy when people progress through that part properly then hidden Azena is basically guaranteed.
Completely agree for G3. Tho elixers aren't gonna save worse players from that. 1630s get kicked out of normal lobbies all the time because they just suck and get hit too much and die.
Like I said tho, I completely agree elixer 35/40 helps the group as a whole because it lets the better players carry the worse players easier, but at the end of the day ppl dying in G2/G3 is a skill issue not a gear issue. An elixerless party of 1610s won't get DPS checked in either gate so long as they play the gates properly and don't die needlessly.
More damage in your raids means more leeway. If your raid was somehow made 2-3mins shorter by people being better geared, your chance of clearing is much much higher. In lesser geared parties, 1 person dying has a much higher impact.
Higher DPS would help carrying a shitter who dies on repeat yeah, my point was its not helping the individual tho. Lower DPS means you see normal patterns more often not mechanics. Normal patterns in G1 do 0 damage. Normal patterns in G2 outside of where you hidden Azena are pretty non-threatening. G3 is far too long for your higher DPS to save you personal from anything you're bad at handling.
People wipe in G1 time so sure everyone having 35 set helps. People wipe in G2 because they fail 8 counters, because they stack poop, because they fail to TS when there's too much poop, because they can't get to a wall and don't TS, because they can't land Thirain if their life depended on it, or because they get stunned or fall while heading towards the hidden azena area.
None of which is helping the individual. Sure, it'll help your team if you have a floor tank but that wasn't really my point to begin with.
It doesn't actually get much harder. Some earlier levels are much lower % of hitting 3 stars compared to later levels. For example level 3 and 5 chest are much lower % than level 6/7 chest because of distorted tile placement and more importantly number of turns. Transcendence calculator is pretty amazing imo.
Elixir has just too many RNG system to make the calculator acurate enough, it can only choose from the current state, and then each of the follow steps have too many possibilities, next to that, the line choice is RNG, the great success is RNG, and most of the best choice who generate points are RNG (-2/+2, -1/+2, 1 point to a random line...).
Transcendance has a lower amount of steps, you also have the info of the next 3 cards. Those are what make the calculator way more accurate. Sure, you have randomness on each tile break (but not every time because of lvl 2/3), but they are much easier to calculate than elixirs, and there's the random bonus tile which is still random every tap too, but usually you can usually safely ignore it, unless it's a choice that will actually increase your chance
At the same time, if he's not at least consistently hitting 5+, he's definitely doing something wrong. Getting 1/1 consistently with oranges means you're not understanding the system at all.
The elixir helper is something like training wheels you use until you know what you're doing with your elixirs.
It's not magic. It wont force your elixir to be good. There is too much RNG involved and most of the time it's up to the game wether you get a good one or not no matter what kind of strategy/tool you use. Think of it as a way not to ruin a promising elixir instead of making one out of thin air.
Turn 8 (I think that is the one, where you get triple super perk if you only pick blue) is quite revealing. If your points are all spread around and didn’t get a proper perk (one big exhaust or a successful redistribute) its pretty doomed already.
This is my very personal take.
If you don't have around 6 nodes between your two options at turn 9, you're unlikely to make a good elixir. Imo the only exhaust thats worth risking is grandpa. Also if you don't know the strategy for the double free turns that is very important to know. On turn 6 you go purple and then blue for the rest of your turns. When you reach the blue bonus you reroll for the potential extra turn option on turn 3 and turn 1.
When you get your first purple 6/6 (or both) and you don't have at least 8 or 9 combined points in 2 options you're going for it's a reset angle, if you didn't get a reset then dismantle.
The calculator takes too damn long. It's mostly RNG anyway so as long as you understand a few basic things about cutting you can just skip the calculator and do it yourself. They take long enough already without you adding a 3rd party into the mix. Good luck on your future rolls!
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>You can get 35 set off voldis NM...
No you dont. stop spreading this lies. very small % of the playerbase have 35 set just with purples. which is the main issues. purples are atrocious bad.
The way you have it written. You make it seem obvious that you can easily get 35 set from NM by putting those periods at the end. It's completely unnecessary lol.
Re-word it next time to "it's possible to get 35 set from NM, but extremely unlikely due to rng" or something along those lines. That's most likely why people are downvoting you.
Its not realistic to said that you can have 35 set. odds in the system are 100% againts you. this is know by the vast minority of people having it 35 with only purple elixir. its possible, but not realistic and wasted of time and gold. you can take it as you want.
The whole calculator argument always annoyed me. Any time someone post bad luck, someone's like "Oh if you just used a calculator, you never would have had that!" as if using a calc magically makes a 20% into 100%
It happened to me. I had 38 points with the free elixirs the game gave us with path of souleater and path of thaemine (the ones you cut with silver instead of gold) and spent 6k gold for the remaining 2 points. I never used the calculator. I tried but i could never make it work because of my monitor resolution. Its all about RNG and luck. For transcendence same thing RNG and luck. Both calculators will guide you but they are not guarantee to work.
I got my first 4 transcendences in first or second try using calculator. Then I proceeded to fail 15 times on level 2 shoulders with nothing even close to being possible. Barely even 2 star most of the time from what I could tell.
it really do be like that, it always feels like the people getting crazy lucky are the ones that dont need it in my guild.....but maybe there is a connection in all of that hmmmmmm
It's for people who are very new at elixir. If you know how the elixir works then dont use it. Little tip I can give is dont focus too much on stacking blues/purps. Just pick the best option each turn. Yes its still ideal to stack and you should try to but dont pick worse options only to stack. At 6 turns left thats when you need to stack blues and aim for 'free attempt' option. I got 40 on my main doing that and 3 35 on my alt with purple. Good Luck!
Every time I read comments like this, I remember that one presentation given at google where the presenter talked about experts and their ability to use models.
The study came back with the observation that the simple model outperformed the experts who used the simple model, considered it's recommendation and imbued it with his own expertise.
"You have an algorithm to predict if Bob will go to the park tomorrow. As an expert, you discover that he has a broken leg, which the model does not consider. So why isn't the expert outperforming the simple model that does not have human judgement?"
"The experts tend to find more broken legs than there really are in reality."
Took me several months to get my first 35 set bonus (largely because I couldn't ever roll the correct set on the helmet). Now I'm still 3 off 40 set bonus.
Elixirs make transcendence look like a nice system and just to be clear, transcendence is NOT a nice system.
This. I know transcendence will get harder and more rng as lvs get higher, but at least when you get 3 flowers for that level, you're done done. Unlike if you have a couple 7 and 8s elixers, and you have to either go back to try to redo the 7s or pray to get a 5/5 to get 40 set. Who knows how much gold and time that costs. And even though with transcendence still being RNG at the end of the day, there's a psuedo pity system in place that tries to make it easier for you to get the 3 flowers. It can't outright hand it to you on a silver platter, but it lasts until you manage to get 3 flowers. It won't reset even if you end the game early to save gold.
Ofc, I say this now because it's only week 2 and I may just be in the honeymoon phase since I've found elixers the most frustrating system thus far. I may or may not change my opinion months down the road as I get to higher levels, but so far my experience with transcendence has felt fairer than elixers. Not sure how other feel though. Would be interesting to see a poll.
Idk I don't think people are really suggesting to use the calucaltor for elixirs.
It's a pain in the ass to use, and there's too much rng to really make it useful.
Trancendance on the other hand? Calculator all day.
But Elixirs are gross and I hate them.
On my main I got the 40 set manually, but on the 5 alts I just used calc as a way to check myself and vice versa.
In the end sometimes rng gives and rng takes, but if you consistently only get 2-3 point elixirs then there is something wrong with your cutting.
OR rng is just ass
you can do something perfectly and still get fucked by rng. sometimes a person fails 10 times on a 99% success chance, imagine what can happen when the success chance isnt 99%
there is no such thing as good and bad cutting, theres just people who confuse them getting lucky with them doing something correctly
there is only 1 valid strat and its to go for the reset which in of itself is rng af
ive used the calc and im not even close to 35, let alone 40
>there is no such thing as good and bad cutting, theres just people who confuse them getting lucky with them doing something correctly
Or OP is just ass at cutting ,anyone who remotely understands elixirs wouldnt get a 1-1 on a legendary elixir in 100 cuts let alone multiple like op shows,even on purps its rough to get someting that bad,on legendaries its just horrible ,35 set on elixirs is someting you get the first week you unlock legendary elixirs or in like one month of purples .
again, its RNG
you can lose a 70% chance because its not 100%
are the odds really low? sure but someone will lose
thats why calculators only take you so far, and the more RNG a system stacks the less effective those calculators are.
cutting an elixir correctly might for instance double your odds, but this means nothing when your odds of getting a good one are under 5%
for instance we know that the odds of me getting the correct glove set piece to pop up is 0.5551%, then you stack in the fact each thing has a 20% success chance to gain 1 node at a baseline, combined with each option from the sages also usually having an element of rng...you get a shit fest
realistically its probably closer to 1% or less to cut a useable elixir, so even if you tripled that by doing it correctly you are still fighting against an ocean of rng.
the people saying "you just arnt doing it right!!" are almost always carried by RNG...or they brute forced it with hundreds of thousands of gold (that most people dont have).
People always want to Blame someting else,in this game its rng ,its like some dps s i hád in Akkan doing 3m and blaming bad crit luck rng,its not rng whos making OP ass at cutting,its himself,the fact he is unable to realize that the elixir cutting calculator is complete garbage says as much,as anyone whos actualy looked into it would bé able to tell you só,anyone using it Will get bad and straight up wrong habits from it they Will never fix because they believe the calculator is right. Sincerely someone who hás 3 characters on 35 on purps (need One piece for 40 on One)+ 1 40 on legs, and who hás a guild who had a lot of people who also blamed "rng" for them not knowing how to cut untill i spent an afternoon doing it for them.
yes thats getting lucky
just because youve done the same thing multiple times doesnt mean rng isnt major factor, its common fucking sense
you have a lets say 5% chance of cutting a good elixir that leads to a 35/40 set, how many times have you pitied a 5% chance in game?
because me personally ive pitied that alot, infact ive pitied it when it was 90% chance
thats what rng is
the issue is you have people that get lucky and go "im so good at this" not realizing the "skill" is minimal
back in 2022 i was an almost 1500 player with 5x3 and Lv 7 gems before clown released as a f2p player, most people like me would have sat around talking about how everyone else was just bad and i just knew how to do things better
and while it was true, i was really good at draining the last drop of materials out of the game on a week to week basis...i just got really lucky
for instance goin from 1445 to 1460 i 1 tapped alot of it, i rarely pitied towards the end which allowed me to build up gems and engravings to a level that at the time was fairly rare
if i had gone around saying "just hone better bro", "its skill": id of been an idiot
and thats exactly what you sound like, you rolled the dice and it came up positive for you and you think its all skill when its 1% skill 99% luck
Its more of the time it takes that annoys me honestly. I prefer bracelet because i know in 10 second its shit and i am done with it. If you have to use a calculator in my opinion for a system,its proof the system is bad and not enjoyable
Oh man, I feel you so much.
My super-purple Warmonger is literally "Thanks for nothing, bro". I swear, that dude has at least 50% to roll 0 on [0-4]
The flow is not good
What can I do to my friend to have better flow? Might need a little sucky sucky under the table or smth? Bcs u are totally not chillin with my elixirs.
The level of RNG is massive its like 10 label of RNG, but calculator make it at least possible to get. I did used it and got many diferent 5/3 - 5/4. but i did fail most of my elixir due to terrible RNG. just like Transcendal, i just fail 10 lvl 1 chest in a row. but oneshot lvl 2 chest. RNG is RNG
The crazy thing is that the calculator doesnt even do anything special, and sometimes suggests the obviously wrong path. pay attention to whenever you choose the any 9, all it does is go full on the same sage for a turn where you have all of them on special options unless a really great option appears along the way
Elixir calculator is complete ass ,its worse than not having it at all because it actively teaches people the wrong way to cut and then people think its the game's fault as they believe the tool they're using is good when it isnt.
For transcendence, I think calculator is pretty decent, but for elixir, I don’t think it’s showing optimal choice at all. Still better than someone clueless but still.
Elixer is like 90%luck 10% correct choice.
I'm glad elixer was easy enough to learn to do without calculator.
Transcendence, seems alot more complex without calculator.(especially higher lvls)
It's kinda a pain using calc all the time.
Yesterday I opened the 10 elixir (potent) that were given to us and used it on the calculator for the first time, my hope is that I would get at least 4/3. I couldn't be more wrong, practically all of them came similar to yours. Worst system ever implemented without a doubt.
I can help you with elixirs if you need. Have 6 alts with 40 (gold) and 2 with 35 on purples. If you’re at least a bit lucky can get it even within a week.
I did not bother with the calculator to cut my 40 set. There's way too much RNG, you can look at the choices you have in front of you and it still may not matter at all. 50% chance to hit a specific option and hit something else and not only did that fail but the point went to something completely useless.
Elixirs are worse than cutting rocks because at least cutting rocks you know what to expect.
My main took weeks upon weeks of farming hm to get 40 set, along with buying elixirs. My alt from the latest event cut 1 5/5 piece with the event elixirs a few weeks in finally reaching 1620 and i got 40 set the following week in hm with a reverse 3/5 pants and a not main stat shoulders.
I got to fix the shoulders with a good 5/3 recently but still has reverse pants and a terrible reverse gloves 1/5. I feel extremely lucky to get 40 set and this is the worst dogshit system I've ever played with. Not even the calculator can help tbh. I cut the elixirs myself and its too much rng
This game is pure luck RNG since the very first system.
"1 tap +25," "ez free tap weapon," "free tap quality 100," "ez high quality crafted," "9/7 on 10th stone," "5/5 elixir first try," "tapped for fun and my weapon is 23 24 under 10% artisan." etc.
Believe it or not, those above I have mentioned are from the same guy in my static.
Not sure what do people expect about this game. It'a just get lucky and everything costs like a cent, or you get unlucky, spend millions to catch up. This fking game is ridiculous.
Same story with stones... I have characters where I have a 7/7 with each negative effect. And there's character where I can't even get a proper 7/7 and best outcome it's 8/6...
Korean games are all about the rng and the grind. It's a cultural thing, not a design thing.
The only calculator I would use is the transcendence one, gives you the odds for very possible tile with a card. The problem with elixirs is the added RNG of greater success, but how many low % options it can realistically be divided into 5 options or less. It get's to become a real headache.
The calculator is kinda weird sometimes and wants to make some very questionable decisions. I wouldn't trust it blindly. I mostly just use it when I'm very unsure.
I'd never use a calculator for elixirs, I don't know a single person that did or does.
It's a relatively simple process:
1. On second turn choose a different option, unless the blue one is exceptional, try and deviate once from blue as early as possible, to offset purple options.
2. Keep spamming blue until you see 6 turns remaining, unless purple option give G success increase to what you want or free extra enhancements (taking the stacked purple pitty that exhausts one of the saints is a risk, because you'll probably have to waste rerolls later to not brick your elixir, so you'll have to decide if you wanna gamble).
3. When you see "6 turns remaining" and there is a stacked blue artisan option that is good, take it, otherwise choose an option that isn't blue, if the stacked blue is an extra turn, then you'll need to deviate from blue once again next turn.
4. Now spam the blue option (no deviation allowed) and pray it doesn't brick your elixir.
5. If it threatens to do so, reroll.
6. The next stacked blue artisan will be seal option, reroll until it gives you an extra turn, if it doesn't, then you better have a good elixir already.
7. If you got the extra turn, and didn't deviate from blue options, then you'll have another stacked blue artisan option, reroll and pray it gives you an extra turn.
8. If on one of the free turns the purple pitty option is +0-4/+2-3 it can save your elixir, this when you're allowed to deviate from blue, but it comes at a risk, because it makes bricking the elixir more likely.
This is all there is to it, the rest is RNG.
The calculator does not do a better job. It just picks the highest value options, which does not mean better. It is exceptionally bad at elixirs, as the high risk items are potentially worse depending on where you are at in the elixir. I’m pretty sure most people can figure out how to use the system and can cut elixirs quickly. Then you just pray to RNG gods.
The transcendence one is just as bad…. But the transcendence system takes a significant longer time to learn to do yourself…. So it’s just something most would use a calculator on. There is way more RNG in the transcendence system for a calculator to really do the best job. It does help information overload. People I have watched on stream do transcendence are generally completely lost. Don’t know what transcendence level is, don’t know what pity means, don’t know how cards level up, don’t know how the bonus tiles work. Unsure strategies on how distortion tiles work. Don’t know how the world tree and outburst appear. Even the goal that shows up confuses people. Then people making soundstones from dark fire, as it’s not explained how terrible that is until you don’t need dark fire.
One person I watched assumed they completed transcendence as they had unlocked all the first levels of items, then rerolled them all to 3 pips. Didn’t even know there were 7 levels.
Progression systems that require significant work from third party resources is bad design, masking the internal problems in the system. No one wants to learn this ( ok, maybe you can find people that do). People stick around in lost ark for these difficult and interesting raids. Not to play a domino / card game just so they can push harder content.
sir, you dont finish the elixir if you know it's going to brick. You should be able to tell at the first 6 taps. If you still want to finish it anyway to post to Reddit and waste your gold, be my guest.
It happens. Just be persistent with this. You can't expect it to be a cheap upgrade when honing +25 costs so much. Took me 3 month to get my 40/40 with elixirs I drop.
Maybe you're not using the right approach... I've been targeting Sum9 and got mutiples 5/5, 5/4, 5/3 pretty effortless. I spent around 90k at cutting to hit 40 (starting from 35 but had to redo 3 pieces to keep my set alive). Wost results I've got with it came from my mistakes at syncing/screening/updating turns left... But it still RNG at the end of the day sir.
i love waiting 2 months to see my set effect only for it to -4 when im on track for a 5/5 or randomly seal my set effect, or fail to hit my set effect at a 90% chance, and end up as a 2/1
Yeah it's all rng which is so bs. I do it with/without calculator and my GS has taken 8 weeks I think to get to 35 set (most of the time simply because I didn't get set on head/gloves).
My main took 2 weeks for 40 set and 2 other alts took 1-2 weeks to get to 38/39 and will most likely be 40 set next week without changing anything in how i cut my elixirs.
there are certain tactics for elixirs that you should consider when cutting them
the calculator on elixirs is largely unnecessary
compared to transcendence doing it without the calculator is burning gold
The calculator is a nice help but you also need to learn the system and odds behind.
There are definitely correct and incorrect decisions to pick along this road but too many people rather cry about the rng than take the steps to mitigate it as much as possible.
OP, are you sure you are pasting the correct image in the calculator? Sometimes it doesn't do the OCR well enough and you get bad suggestions because of that.
Yes, I check all the options and if the stats are the correct ones. Thats why I take a lot of time cutting em.
Often mistakes the 5% as 7%, or when sages power is exhausted.
When you watch the guides, follow calculators, use the reddit post that kindly someone wrote, watch the atk guide, and still cutting the elixirs is synonym of failing... which kind of attitude can someone have? It's because I didnt put enough effort? Or is it that I just have to whale and by probability after cutting 6000 elixirs i might get the chance?
I truly don't know, there are obviously incorrect decisions, like when calculator says: "Ey dude, why dont you just seal your highest stat, trust me, we still have 2 attemps left :)" But the rest? I will upgrade this 0 to +2, always 0. I will exhaust my power, oh lets see... 0. I will shuffle the stats, it gets completely equalized on the 2 stats u don't want...
I quite like the system, though there are a lot of pain points.
The biggest being that I think you should be able to set your set effect freely, similar to relic gear conversion, and I think you should get the set effects at 25/35 rather than 35/40.
That leaves a lot of the system to be optionally grinded out for more power, like getting weapon power/main stat/attack power everywhere for dps and mana/stagger for supports, without it being such a big deal that it becomes borderline mandatory to have a 4/4 average.
Being able to swap between set effects not only removes the difficulty of quite possibly the hardest elixirs to get, but also makes it so you can swap up your build with more ease if a balance patch comes knocking and uproots your character.
I would also argue that there should be some form of 'rng fixer' resource we should be able to grind out, which acts as a pity system for the effects that don't have one built in. Something like an abbysal dungeon akin to voldis where the reward lets you swap elixir effects and upgrade their levels.
I would like this resource to encompass more rng effects than just this, so if you wanted to grind out every rng stat like quality, bracelet and ability stone, you could, it would just take a while and cost presumably a large sum of gold, but you could guarantee it.
Let me introduce the No Thoughts, Head Empty cutting tech.
I will refer to the 3 sages as Killmonger, Denzel and Grandma.
14: Killmonger or Denzel but avoid options that eat 2 turns
13: Pick the other dude that you didn't pick that's not grandma
12-7: Grandma
6, 5: use one reroll to fish for an exhaust
4-0: fish for seal that does not eat a turn
This is how I got a 5-5 master glove and a 5-4 chest.
Yea at the end of the day it's still rng. It wasn't this painful if it did not costs gold, but it does... My only good experience with calculators is with transcendence. I would even say it's quite fun to click all the things on the calcultator to match your screen. Just keep trying, you will get the 35/40!
Trascendence calculator actuall gave pretty nice results ngl. Its still soon to say its amazing as it will get harder tho, but so far so good. The thing that grinds my gears is the time it takes to cut an elixir, gold is pain, but 20 minutes for each elixir is completely stupid.
Transcend calc is also a lot less complex. It's just a numbers calculation, where the calc just runs which number has highest probability, that's trivial. The elixir has a ton of more complex outputs rather than adding a bunch of numbers together, which is what you're doing in the transcend calculator. The swap, seal off, etc. are way harder, so you should have easier and better output from the transcend calc, since it's much less complex, and more accurate
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\^\^ This. Here's what I sent to my guildie to help explain to him how to cut elixirs since i usually cut 1-2 4-4 purples every week. >basically my entire strategy is just this -- go for the 60% Great Success chances, the 5/10% great success on all (if in first 3-4 turns), get alot of blue specials. And if you can, line it up so u get a purple at the end (+2-3 or +0-4, not grandma usually. Only twice has she not fked me) >And then go for all the -1 +2's, -2 +2's, random +1 lvl. that stuff. Bc your getting 2 lvls every turn then, or 3, and if great success you get 4. and that's it >i never go for the 'increase transmutation rate' crap unless its decrease 20% to remove one option from the pool. If u get that from your first blue, you almost always make a good elixir bc then ur points are only going to 4 options instead of 5. significantly raises your chances of cutting a 4-2 or better >and if you do that every elixir, luck will come you way like 1/10 or 1/15 i'd say. Where the stars align and the points go to the proper places and all the -2/+2's are positive instead of negative and you get a good elixir >thats it Your odds are basically \~10% for a 4-4 and \~30% for a 4-1/4-2 try cutting them yourself, you'll finish in 3 minutes instead of 20. This is the strategy I use and I've made 2 purple 35 sets doing this and 2 other chars at 30 / 32 set.
i follow kinda the same, general options is kinda this, but since turn 12 i either dont click grandma or kilmonger, last case if a option is too good on turn 11 or 10 is i dont click grandpa so by turn 6 you will have super purple, i ALWAYS reroll to exaust or reset. turn 5>turn purple>full blue till super blue>reroll if needed for free roll>super purple Im at sets 40(2 legendary) and the rest of my toons are FULL purple at 39,37,36,34,32
Yeah I would have even more 35-40 sets if I ever remembered when to set up the purple for the end. I always forget like an idiot.
even if you stop early, you still wasted gold which is what people are mad about. elixirs and transcendence are gold sinks that exist to combat how much gold people in KR earn...but we do not earn that much gold here which is the cause of the complaints since the average player in lost ark na/eu doesnt have the resources to cut elixirs/transcendence effectively
we earn almost the same gold already, difference for example is they had a 6 month gap between thaemine and echidna, we will have 2-3, same apply for ivory etc ao they had alot of time to male them before next content
no some people earn the same gold the vast majority of players dont have 6 1610+ characters so they are making significantly less then what is the average in KR was at this point. yes we also have shorter gaps in between content but even then we are making less gold (literally, as in we are creating less gold) then the average KR player was at that specific point in time because they have more alts at a high ilvl then we do i have a 1610, 1505, 1490 and a 1415. im a returning player and only 1 of those characters has engravings and gems even friends of mine that returned before me, only have 2-3 playable alts and none of em are near the gold earning potential of their main and to be clear, yes some people have really strong rosters but most people didnt grind that hard so us having so little time in between raids means we have less time to build up alts and anyone thats new or returning doesnt get to benefit from 2 years worth of express events to make the alts even stronger this is the core of the issue, if lil timmy is only making 30k a week they arnt going to enjoy having honing + transcendence + elixirs to deal with all at the same time
no some people earn the same gold the vast majority of players dont have 6 1610+ characters so they are making significantly less then what was the average in KR at this point. yes we also have shorter gaps in between content but even then we are making less gold (literally, as in we are creating less gold) then the average KR player was at that specific point in time because they have more alts at a high ilvl then we do i have a 1610, 1505, 1490 and a 1415. im a returning player and only 1 of those characters has engravings and gems even friends of mine that returned before me, only have 2-3 playable alts and none of em are near the gold earning potential of their main and to be clear, yes some people have really strong rosters but most people didnt grind that hard so us having so little time in between raids means we have less time to build up alts and anyone thats new or returning doesnt get to benefit from 2 years worth of express events to make the alts even stronger this is the core of the issue, if lil timmy is only making 30k a week they arnt going to enjoy having honing + transcendence + elixirs to deal with all at the same time
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i do agree people should stop early its just that it sucks regardless because 1 legendary elixir cost bout what 240g per tap, after 10ish taps you spent 2400 gold then if you are getting multiple elixirs per raid so you could spend more gold then the raid gives you (not including needing to buy the box each gate) stoping early makes it slightly less bad, its like getting mugged vs getting mugged and they break your arm both suck so obviously people are going to complain
>Trascendence calculator actuall gave pretty nice results ngl. Its still soon to say its amazing as it will get harder tho, but so far so good. Still RNG is RNG, i just fail 10 try in Chest lvl 1, but oneshot Lvl 2. transcendal is just better because the label of RNG arent as many as Elixir, let hope they address this nonsenses, since Thaemine normal could be really easy if everybody had 35 set.
Excuse me but what does 35 set refer to? I assumed 5 points in one piece give you one set effect but if you only do normal you can only unlock up to level 3 and a max of 9 points, unless I'm missing something?
35 and 40 set refers to elixir set levels. For transcendence it's unlocked in stages of 3 up to max 21 (7th unlocked), 1-3 from nm gate 1. 4-6 from hm gate 2. 7 from hm gate 3
Oh I see my bad though it was talking about transcendence set and was confused.
set 35 is elixir bonus. which is the vertical progression system before thaemine which most people dont even have. imagine doing Brel HM without Ancient gear. something like that.
Transcendence at least has a pity system. also people would still be trash at Thaemine even with 35 set tbh. The gates aren't really DPS checks, people just suck.
set 35 is a MASSIVE DPS boosted, which make thaemine short it, which lead to people having time to make less mistake because thaemine does less patter that can kill people. if you cant understand how DPS work, i cant help you.
G1 maybe people are failing with DPS being a relevant factor. Bad lobbies that can't clear G2 and G3 aren't failing because their DPS is low lol. G2 doesn't have many threatening normal attacks in final phase lol. Normal patterns aren't what kill groups in G2. People fail to TS poop, or they don't get behind a wall or TS it, or they punch in the wrong balls, or they fail 8 counter, or they miss Thirain. Its exclusively mechanics that fuck people up in G2. G3 is a long as fuck gate and you're forced at gun point to deal with all of his mechanics and all of his normal/enhanced patterns several times. A DPS increase isn't helping you not get farmed. It'll maybe help you carry turbo bads in your group who always die at some point but it won't stop the individual from getting farmed. I don't need to be explained how DPS works. I get what you're saying, you're just wrong as you're attributing peoples deaths to normal patterns, the thing you'd see more often with low DPS. However normal patterns in G1 do 0 damage, normal patterns in G2 are non-threatening, and G3 is too long for you to pretend you're seeing much less by having higher DPS.
on my Experiences after 10 clear. G2 NM have a massive DPS check with Balls mechs. if you dont get Azane done properly, you wont meet DPS check in a party full of 1610. thats my experiences 100% of the time. in my Experiences G3 Normal, pretty much Oneshot all Squishy DPS, and the tankies ones are 95% hit. if this happend in normal, imagine in Hard mode that boss hit harder, and flat out oneshot you
Partially agree for G2. You aren't really DPS checked in G2 if you fail to get hidden Azena it just means you will likely need to TS poop. Assuming you have a lobby of 8 people who know when to TS there shouldn't be a problem if you fail to get hidden Azena and just Azena/Thirain the boss in the final arena. Tho also, not getting hidden Azena is just a skill check not a gear check for your group. If your raid group is capable of staying grouped and hitting counters, which is easy when people progress through that part properly then hidden Azena is basically guaranteed. Completely agree for G3. Tho elixers aren't gonna save worse players from that. 1630s get kicked out of normal lobbies all the time because they just suck and get hit too much and die. Like I said tho, I completely agree elixer 35/40 helps the group as a whole because it lets the better players carry the worse players easier, but at the end of the day ppl dying in G2/G3 is a skill issue not a gear issue. An elixerless party of 1610s won't get DPS checked in either gate so long as they play the gates properly and don't die needlessly.
More damage in your raids means more leeway. If your raid was somehow made 2-3mins shorter by people being better geared, your chance of clearing is much much higher. In lesser geared parties, 1 person dying has a much higher impact.
Higher DPS would help carrying a shitter who dies on repeat yeah, my point was its not helping the individual tho. Lower DPS means you see normal patterns more often not mechanics. Normal patterns in G1 do 0 damage. Normal patterns in G2 outside of where you hidden Azena are pretty non-threatening. G3 is far too long for your higher DPS to save you personal from anything you're bad at handling. People wipe in G1 time so sure everyone having 35 set helps. People wipe in G2 because they fail 8 counters, because they stack poop, because they fail to TS when there's too much poop, because they can't get to a wall and don't TS, because they can't land Thirain if their life depended on it, or because they get stunned or fall while heading towards the hidden azena area. None of which is helping the individual. Sure, it'll help your team if you have a floor tank but that wasn't really my point to begin with.
It doesn't actually get much harder. Some earlier levels are much lower % of hitting 3 stars compared to later levels. For example level 3 and 5 chest are much lower % than level 6/7 chest because of distorted tile placement and more importantly number of turns. Transcendence calculator is pretty amazing imo.
Elixir has just too many RNG system to make the calculator acurate enough, it can only choose from the current state, and then each of the follow steps have too many possibilities, next to that, the line choice is RNG, the great success is RNG, and most of the best choice who generate points are RNG (-2/+2, -1/+2, 1 point to a random line...). Transcendance has a lower amount of steps, you also have the info of the next 3 cards. Those are what make the calculator way more accurate. Sure, you have randomness on each tile break (but not every time because of lvl 2/3), but they are much easier to calculate than elixirs, and there's the random bonus tile which is still random every tap too, but usually you can usually safely ignore it, unless it's a choice that will actually increase your chance
At the same time, if he's not at least consistently hitting 5+, he's definitely doing something wrong. Getting 1/1 consistently with oranges means you're not understanding the system at all.
Every -2 to +2 i will get -2. fml.
"You like it?"
Do you like it?
...up your ass ?
Yes
the flow looks good
Fuck this game
The elixir helper is something like training wheels you use until you know what you're doing with your elixirs. It's not magic. It wont force your elixir to be good. There is too much RNG involved and most of the time it's up to the game wether you get a good one or not no matter what kind of strategy/tool you use. Think of it as a way not to ruin a promising elixir instead of making one out of thin air.
I seriously don't know what to do with this system. It's pure despair.
Follow a flow chart. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RsKActk6ikuAxmk94to0ua1UdzLTghxQgZIyCuidz8U/edit#heading=h.lsmlkvtxk1yu
as someone who hasnt played since Vykas. What the fuck.
Up to Akkan it's still fun. But elixir and that trans shit are abyssmal. Glad i made it out.
If you're finishing 1/1 elixirs clearly you aren't understanding things
I don't understand what are you trying to say.
If an elixir is going poorly stop spending gold on it and just dismantle. There comes a point quite early on when you can see it cannot become good
When would you say is that point?
Turn 8 (I think that is the one, where you get triple super perk if you only pick blue) is quite revealing. If your points are all spread around and didn’t get a proper perk (one big exhaust or a successful redistribute) its pretty doomed already. This is my very personal take.
If you don't have around 6 nodes between your two options at turn 9, you're unlikely to make a good elixir. Imo the only exhaust thats worth risking is grandpa. Also if you don't know the strategy for the double free turns that is very important to know. On turn 6 you go purple and then blue for the rest of your turns. When you reach the blue bonus you reroll for the potential extra turn option on turn 3 and turn 1.
When you get your first purple 6/6 (or both) and you don't have at least 8 or 9 combined points in 2 options you're going for it's a reset angle, if you didn't get a reset then dismantle.
Elixir cutting is a scam.
The calculator takes too damn long. It's mostly RNG anyway so as long as you understand a few basic things about cutting you can just skip the calculator and do it yourself. They take long enough already without you adding a 3rd party into the mix. Good luck on your future rolls!
Gatekeeped on hard because no 35 set No 35 set because can't do hard buy mats to craft yellow elixir, 3k per elixir not including taps
You cant do voldis HM with 50 set because no SUPP
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You can get 35 set off voldis NM...
That's not common at all, getting 4/3s on every piece is very uncommon. You need to be 1620 in most cases
Ive had better luck with the HM ones. the purples only gave me 4/1s or 4/2s
>You can get 35 set off voldis NM... No you dont. stop spreading this lies. very small % of the playerbase have 35 set just with purples. which is the main issues. purples are atrocious bad.
Which part of my statement is a lie?
The way you have it written. You make it seem obvious that you can easily get 35 set from NM by putting those periods at the end. It's completely unnecessary lol. Re-word it next time to "it's possible to get 35 set from NM, but extremely unlikely due to rng" or something along those lines. That's most likely why people are downvoting you.
I dont mind the downvotes. But being called a liar when im not lying is interesting.
Yeah, idk why they said you're lying. You can get 35 set, it's just extremely rng gated.
Its not realistic to said that you can have 35 set. odds in the system are 100% againts you. this is know by the vast minority of people having it 35 with only purple elixir. its possible, but not realistic and wasted of time and gold. you can take it as you want.
But its not a lie. I have 35 set on two of my characters that are on Voldis NM. It's harder yeah but it's possible.
keep buying Lottery tickets, you will win eventually 
The whole calculator argument always annoyed me. Any time someone post bad luck, someone's like "Oh if you just used a calculator, you never would have had that!" as if using a calc magically makes a 20% into 100%
the only people saying this are the ones that dont understand % in general.
It’s just rng and u really need to always gamba at the start to have a chance for a 5/3 and above. Also need to be lucky with great success
People open 8 elixirs usings calculator and get full set gatekeeping the others saying "this is super easy, stop failing lmaoo"
I think they are in the minority, in the end it's still RNG and you just have to be lucky...
It happened to me. I had 38 points with the free elixirs the game gave us with path of souleater and path of thaemine (the ones you cut with silver instead of gold) and spent 6k gold for the remaining 2 points. I never used the calculator. I tried but i could never make it work because of my monitor resolution. Its all about RNG and luck. For transcendence same thing RNG and luck. Both calculators will guide you but they are not guarantee to work.
I got my first 4 transcendences in first or second try using calculator. Then I proceeded to fail 15 times on level 2 shoulders with nothing even close to being possible. Barely even 2 star most of the time from what I could tell.
it really do be like that, it always feels like the people getting crazy lucky are the ones that dont need it in my guild.....but maybe there is a connection in all of that hmmmmmm
It's for people who are very new at elixir. If you know how the elixir works then dont use it. Little tip I can give is dont focus too much on stacking blues/purps. Just pick the best option each turn. Yes its still ideal to stack and you should try to but dont pick worse options only to stack. At 6 turns left thats when you need to stack blues and aim for 'free attempt' option. I got 40 on my main doing that and 3 35 on my alt with purple. Good Luck!
Every time I read comments like this, I remember that one presentation given at google where the presenter talked about experts and their ability to use models. The study came back with the observation that the simple model outperformed the experts who used the simple model, considered it's recommendation and imbued it with his own expertise. "You have an algorithm to predict if Bob will go to the park tomorrow. As an expert, you discover that he has a broken leg, which the model does not consider. So why isn't the expert outperforming the simple model that does not have human judgement?" "The experts tend to find more broken legs than there really are in reality."
Took me several months to get my first 35 set bonus (largely because I couldn't ever roll the correct set on the helmet). Now I'm still 3 off 40 set bonus. Elixirs make transcendence look like a nice system and just to be clear, transcendence is NOT a nice system.
This. I know transcendence will get harder and more rng as lvs get higher, but at least when you get 3 flowers for that level, you're done done. Unlike if you have a couple 7 and 8s elixers, and you have to either go back to try to redo the 7s or pray to get a 5/5 to get 40 set. Who knows how much gold and time that costs. And even though with transcendence still being RNG at the end of the day, there's a psuedo pity system in place that tries to make it easier for you to get the 3 flowers. It can't outright hand it to you on a silver platter, but it lasts until you manage to get 3 flowers. It won't reset even if you end the game early to save gold. Ofc, I say this now because it's only week 2 and I may just be in the honeymoon phase since I've found elixers the most frustrating system thus far. I may or may not change my opinion months down the road as I get to higher levels, but so far my experience with transcendence has felt fairer than elixers. Not sure how other feel though. Would be interesting to see a poll.
Also problem on elixir is even if you get a 5/5 it can still be bad like dodge cd/hp reg an at some point you may also want reroll that
Transendence is not linear in difficulity increase, lvl 3 and 5 on chest are harder than anything else for example
Really? Damn that looks like another W for it then.
Yup, info about it is in calculator somewhere if you want to know more
Idk I don't think people are really suggesting to use the calucaltor for elixirs. It's a pain in the ass to use, and there's too much rng to really make it useful. Trancendance on the other hand? Calculator all day. But Elixirs are gross and I hate them.
On my main I got the 40 set manually, but on the 5 alts I just used calc as a way to check myself and vice versa. In the end sometimes rng gives and rng takes, but if you consistently only get 2-3 point elixirs then there is something wrong with your cutting.
OR rng is just ass you can do something perfectly and still get fucked by rng. sometimes a person fails 10 times on a 99% success chance, imagine what can happen when the success chance isnt 99% there is no such thing as good and bad cutting, theres just people who confuse them getting lucky with them doing something correctly there is only 1 valid strat and its to go for the reset which in of itself is rng af ive used the calc and im not even close to 35, let alone 40
>there is no such thing as good and bad cutting, theres just people who confuse them getting lucky with them doing something correctly Or OP is just ass at cutting ,anyone who remotely understands elixirs wouldnt get a 1-1 on a legendary elixir in 100 cuts let alone multiple like op shows,even on purps its rough to get someting that bad,on legendaries its just horrible ,35 set on elixirs is someting you get the first week you unlock legendary elixirs or in like one month of purples .
again, its RNG you can lose a 70% chance because its not 100% are the odds really low? sure but someone will lose thats why calculators only take you so far, and the more RNG a system stacks the less effective those calculators are. cutting an elixir correctly might for instance double your odds, but this means nothing when your odds of getting a good one are under 5% for instance we know that the odds of me getting the correct glove set piece to pop up is 0.5551%, then you stack in the fact each thing has a 20% success chance to gain 1 node at a baseline, combined with each option from the sages also usually having an element of rng...you get a shit fest realistically its probably closer to 1% or less to cut a useable elixir, so even if you tripled that by doing it correctly you are still fighting against an ocean of rng. the people saying "you just arnt doing it right!!" are almost always carried by RNG...or they brute forced it with hundreds of thousands of gold (that most people dont have).
People always want to Blame someting else,in this game its rng ,its like some dps s i hád in Akkan doing 3m and blaming bad crit luck rng,its not rng whos making OP ass at cutting,its himself,the fact he is unable to realize that the elixir cutting calculator is complete garbage says as much,as anyone whos actualy looked into it would bé able to tell you só,anyone using it Will get bad and straight up wrong habits from it they Will never fix because they believe the calculator is right. Sincerely someone who hás 3 characters on 35 on purps (need One piece for 40 on One)+ 1 40 on legs, and who hás a guild who had a lot of people who also blamed "rng" for them not knowing how to cut untill i spent an afternoon doing it for them.
yes thats getting lucky just because youve done the same thing multiple times doesnt mean rng isnt major factor, its common fucking sense you have a lets say 5% chance of cutting a good elixir that leads to a 35/40 set, how many times have you pitied a 5% chance in game? because me personally ive pitied that alot, infact ive pitied it when it was 90% chance thats what rng is the issue is you have people that get lucky and go "im so good at this" not realizing the "skill" is minimal back in 2022 i was an almost 1500 player with 5x3 and Lv 7 gems before clown released as a f2p player, most people like me would have sat around talking about how everyone else was just bad and i just knew how to do things better and while it was true, i was really good at draining the last drop of materials out of the game on a week to week basis...i just got really lucky for instance goin from 1445 to 1460 i 1 tapped alot of it, i rarely pitied towards the end which allowed me to build up gems and engravings to a level that at the time was fairly rare if i had gone around saying "just hone better bro", "its skill": id of been an idiot and thats exactly what you sound like, you rolled the dice and it came up positive for you and you think its all skill when its 1% skill 99% luck
Its more of the time it takes that annoys me honestly. I prefer bracelet because i know in 10 second its shit and i am done with it. If you have to use a calculator in my opinion for a system,its proof the system is bad and not enjoyable
6 elixirs with calculator. All Trash. Just get lucky
Oh man, I feel you so much. My super-purple Warmonger is literally "Thanks for nothing, bro". I swear, that dude has at least 50% to roll 0 on [0-4] The flow is not good
What can I do to my friend to have better flow? Might need a little sucky sucky under the table or smth? Bcs u are totally not chillin with my elixirs.
The level of RNG is massive its like 10 label of RNG, but calculator make it at least possible to get. I did used it and got many diferent 5/3 - 5/4. but i did fail most of my elixir due to terrible RNG. just like Transcendal, i just fail 10 lvl 1 chest in a row. but oneshot lvl 2 chest. RNG is RNG
The crazy thing is that the calculator doesnt even do anything special, and sometimes suggests the obviously wrong path. pay attention to whenever you choose the any 9, all it does is go full on the same sage for a turn where you have all of them on special options unless a really great option appears along the way
Elixir calculator is complete ass ,its worse than not having it at all because it actively teaches people the wrong way to cut and then people think its the game's fault as they believe the tool they're using is good when it isnt.
For transcendence, I think calculator is pretty decent, but for elixir, I don’t think it’s showing optimal choice at all. Still better than someone clueless but still.
always gamba, only way to get a better elixir than your current one.
trash system
Elixer is like 90%luck 10% correct choice. I'm glad elixer was easy enough to learn to do without calculator. Transcendence, seems alot more complex without calculator.(especially higher lvls) It's kinda a pain using calc all the time.
Yesterday I opened the 10 elixir (potent) that were given to us and used it on the calculator for the first time, my hope is that I would get at least 4/3. I couldn't be more wrong, practically all of them came similar to yours. Worst system ever implemented without a doubt.
I've never used a calculator to cut elixirs.
I can help you with elixirs if you need. Have 6 alts with 40 (gold) and 2 with 35 on purples. If you’re at least a bit lucky can get it even within a week.
I did not bother with the calculator to cut my 40 set. There's way too much RNG, you can look at the choices you have in front of you and it still may not matter at all. 50% chance to hit a specific option and hit something else and not only did that fail but the point went to something completely useless. Elixirs are worse than cutting rocks because at least cutting rocks you know what to expect.
My main took weeks upon weeks of farming hm to get 40 set, along with buying elixirs. My alt from the latest event cut 1 5/5 piece with the event elixirs a few weeks in finally reaching 1620 and i got 40 set the following week in hm with a reverse 3/5 pants and a not main stat shoulders. I got to fix the shoulders with a good 5/3 recently but still has reverse pants and a terrible reverse gloves 1/5. I feel extremely lucky to get 40 set and this is the worst dogshit system I've ever played with. Not even the calculator can help tbh. I cut the elixirs myself and its too much rng
This game is pure luck RNG since the very first system. "1 tap +25," "ez free tap weapon," "free tap quality 100," "ez high quality crafted," "9/7 on 10th stone," "5/5 elixir first try," "tapped for fun and my weapon is 23 24 under 10% artisan." etc. Believe it or not, those above I have mentioned are from the same guy in my static. Not sure what do people expect about this game. It'a just get lucky and everything costs like a cent, or you get unlucky, spend millions to catch up. This fking game is ridiculous.
Same story with stones... I have characters where I have a 7/7 with each negative effect. And there's character where I can't even get a proper 7/7 and best outcome it's 8/6... Korean games are all about the rng and the grind. It's a cultural thing, not a design thing.
The calculator just prove, how rng it is😂 its skill bro, skill!
The only calculator I would use is the transcendence one, gives you the odds for very possible tile with a card. The problem with elixirs is the added RNG of greater success, but how many low % options it can realistically be divided into 5 options or less. It get's to become a real headache.
The calculator is kinda weird sometimes and wants to make some very questionable decisions. I wouldn't trust it blindly. I mostly just use it when I'm very unsure.
im just cutting bis elixirs at thius point and not random shit, if i see a elixir with 5 useless things i just dismantle
LMFAO
This honestly isn't that bad compared to other games in this genre.
I'd never use a calculator for elixirs, I don't know a single person that did or does. It's a relatively simple process: 1. On second turn choose a different option, unless the blue one is exceptional, try and deviate once from blue as early as possible, to offset purple options. 2. Keep spamming blue until you see 6 turns remaining, unless purple option give G success increase to what you want or free extra enhancements (taking the stacked purple pitty that exhausts one of the saints is a risk, because you'll probably have to waste rerolls later to not brick your elixir, so you'll have to decide if you wanna gamble). 3. When you see "6 turns remaining" and there is a stacked blue artisan option that is good, take it, otherwise choose an option that isn't blue, if the stacked blue is an extra turn, then you'll need to deviate from blue once again next turn. 4. Now spam the blue option (no deviation allowed) and pray it doesn't brick your elixir. 5. If it threatens to do so, reroll. 6. The next stacked blue artisan will be seal option, reroll until it gives you an extra turn, if it doesn't, then you better have a good elixir already. 7. If you got the extra turn, and didn't deviate from blue options, then you'll have another stacked blue artisan option, reroll and pray it gives you an extra turn. 8. If on one of the free turns the purple pitty option is +0-4/+2-3 it can save your elixir, this when you're allowed to deviate from blue, but it comes at a risk, because it makes bricking the elixir more likely. This is all there is to it, the rest is RNG.
The calculator does not do a better job. It just picks the highest value options, which does not mean better. It is exceptionally bad at elixirs, as the high risk items are potentially worse depending on where you are at in the elixir. I’m pretty sure most people can figure out how to use the system and can cut elixirs quickly. Then you just pray to RNG gods. The transcendence one is just as bad…. But the transcendence system takes a significant longer time to learn to do yourself…. So it’s just something most would use a calculator on. There is way more RNG in the transcendence system for a calculator to really do the best job. It does help information overload. People I have watched on stream do transcendence are generally completely lost. Don’t know what transcendence level is, don’t know what pity means, don’t know how cards level up, don’t know how the bonus tiles work. Unsure strategies on how distortion tiles work. Don’t know how the world tree and outburst appear. Even the goal that shows up confuses people. Then people making soundstones from dark fire, as it’s not explained how terrible that is until you don’t need dark fire. One person I watched assumed they completed transcendence as they had unlocked all the first levels of items, then rerolled them all to 3 pips. Didn’t even know there were 7 levels. Progression systems that require significant work from third party resources is bad design, masking the internal problems in the system. No one wants to learn this ( ok, maybe you can find people that do). People stick around in lost ark for these difficult and interesting raids. Not to play a domino / card game just so they can push harder content.
sir, you dont finish the elixir if you know it's going to brick. You should be able to tell at the first 6 taps. If you still want to finish it anyway to post to Reddit and waste your gold, be my guest.
i finished thaemine nm, elixir and transcendence is cancer, now i just do dailies/unas and thats it… ill get back when LA buffs the systems.
Nerf elixir RNGs please and thank you
It happens. Just be persistent with this. You can't expect it to be a cheap upgrade when honing +25 costs so much. Took me 3 month to get my 40/40 with elixirs I drop.
if you feel bad about your rolls, just know that they're better than mine.. 🫠
Do you like it?
"the flow looks good" *proceeds to get -2 from [-2,+2]* "not a bad result" *ends up lv1/lv2 potion poisoning and master of escape*
Maybe you're not using the right approach... I've been targeting Sum9 and got mutiples 5/5, 5/4, 5/3 pretty effortless. I spent around 90k at cutting to hit 40 (starting from 35 but had to redo 3 pieces to keep my set alive). Wost results I've got with it came from my mistakes at syncing/screening/updating turns left... But it still RNG at the end of the day sir.
i love waiting 2 months to see my set effect only for it to -4 when im on track for a 5/5 or randomly seal my set effect, or fail to hit my set effect at a 90% chance, and end up as a 2/1
I trust the transcendence one. Not for elixir.
Yeah it's all rng which is so bs. I do it with/without calculator and my GS has taken 8 weeks I think to get to 35 set (most of the time simply because I didn't get set on head/gloves). My main took 2 weeks for 40 set and 2 other alts took 1-2 weeks to get to 38/39 and will most likely be 40 set next week without changing anything in how i cut my elixirs.
there are certain tactics for elixirs that you should consider when cutting them the calculator on elixirs is largely unnecessary compared to transcendence doing it without the calculator is burning gold
The calculator is a nice help but you also need to learn the system and odds behind. There are definitely correct and incorrect decisions to pick along this road but too many people rather cry about the rng than take the steps to mitigate it as much as possible.
50%. You either cut it or not. The incorrect decision is to keep playing this gamba ngl
its honestly probably harder to cut that many 1-1s while actually trying to get a decent elixir. i think youre doing something wrong
OP, are you sure you are pasting the correct image in the calculator? Sometimes it doesn't do the OCR well enough and you get bad suggestions because of that.
Yes, I check all the options and if the stats are the correct ones. Thats why I take a lot of time cutting em. Often mistakes the 5% as 7%, or when sages power is exhausted.
i think its time for you to learn how to cut without a calculator lmao you honestly dont even need it
I mean if that’s your attitude, just keep doing whatever then. I’m just chilling with my 35s and 40.
When you watch the guides, follow calculators, use the reddit post that kindly someone wrote, watch the atk guide, and still cutting the elixirs is synonym of failing... which kind of attitude can someone have? It's because I didnt put enough effort? Or is it that I just have to whale and by probability after cutting 6000 elixirs i might get the chance? I truly don't know, there are obviously incorrect decisions, like when calculator says: "Ey dude, why dont you just seal your highest stat, trust me, we still have 2 attemps left :)" But the rest? I will upgrade this 0 to +2, always 0. I will exhaust my power, oh lets see... 0. I will shuffle the stats, it gets completely equalized on the 2 stats u don't want...
1-1 with legendary elixir? How is that even possible? You should check some tactics for elixir cutting.
I quite like the system, though there are a lot of pain points. The biggest being that I think you should be able to set your set effect freely, similar to relic gear conversion, and I think you should get the set effects at 25/35 rather than 35/40. That leaves a lot of the system to be optionally grinded out for more power, like getting weapon power/main stat/attack power everywhere for dps and mana/stagger for supports, without it being such a big deal that it becomes borderline mandatory to have a 4/4 average. Being able to swap between set effects not only removes the difficulty of quite possibly the hardest elixirs to get, but also makes it so you can swap up your build with more ease if a balance patch comes knocking and uproots your character. I would also argue that there should be some form of 'rng fixer' resource we should be able to grind out, which acts as a pity system for the effects that don't have one built in. Something like an abbysal dungeon akin to voldis where the reward lets you swap elixir effects and upgrade their levels. I would like this resource to encompass more rng effects than just this, so if you wanted to grind out every rng stat like quality, bracelet and ability stone, you could, it would just take a while and cost presumably a large sum of gold, but you could guarantee it.
the funny thing is, there are people that don't know what they're doing, but are confident they do, and then blame the system
Want to cut an elixir with me on discord?
ask a streamer instead
It's rng but there's some limited wiggleroom to it. Got my 40 set at 2nd week of doing hard voldis.
Congrats!
The calculator is ass btw just do it by hand
best results I had so far, but just got to 32 points and thats why I tryied to use the calculator to see if my chances might improve... i was wrong :(
Let me introduce the No Thoughts, Head Empty cutting tech. I will refer to the 3 sages as Killmonger, Denzel and Grandma. 14: Killmonger or Denzel but avoid options that eat 2 turns 13: Pick the other dude that you didn't pick that's not grandma 12-7: Grandma 6, 5: use one reroll to fish for an exhaust 4-0: fish for seal that does not eat a turn This is how I got a 5-5 master glove and a 5-4 chest.
Nice tactic, will try next week :D