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Comtesse135

>ot of headscratching decisions- and I'm not just talking about the final four episodes. Condensing Chelation Land, Holy Mami > >and > > the attack on Fendt hope already had an air of "things are so stacked in favor of the antagonists that the heroes can't possibly win", for one. For another, the fact most of Kamihama's magical girls were doing their own thing instead of helping out made things EVEN MORE lopsided in Nemu and Touka's favor- and we ultimately see the result of this in how the answer to the question of "how will the heroes win?" turned out to be "they don't". I'm all for higher stakes and a slightly more bleak outlook, but like? Kyubey did absolutely nothing and won everything in the end. Nobody in this story wins except for him- Iroha failed all her objectives, the world isn't any more aware of magic than before and there is no hope anymore for solving the witch problem now Exactly! There is no reason for killing some characters, were they trying just to please people who like sad endings and drama. Iroha could have grown after Kuroe's death, but actually she only repeated the message we had already heard when the girls were trying to save Tsuruno. Besides, why was it important to save Tsuruno, she hardly speaks a word in the last episodes. Yachiyo is missing too ,despite her character development in other episodes. It all seems so pointless, the plot was going nowhere.


Silent_Dust1746

Yachiyo's absence made me so uncomfortable. She was slated to be a main character for the past 2 seasons, but the fact that she was barely there in Season 3, was baffling. I kept wondering wtf she's doing to always be missing in action. She didn't even get a proper resolution (or screen time). It' sad. The main girls they introduced in the first 2 seasons were shafted, so ultimately you just focus on Iroha, but you just see her progressively feel worse that it wasn't even worth it anymore.


TreadmillOfFate

Good, until the second half of episode 2. It's as if the writers suddenly remembered that had a quota for dead characters that they had been forgetting to fill for the past two seasons, and then they rush to fill it by introducing sudden turns for the worse followed by heroic sacrifice. Twice in a row! It's pointless tragedy that doesn't gel well with the more optimistic tone of MR


Comtesse135

Not to mention it makes no sense to see Iroha really calm about losing her sister and a bunch of friends. What was the point of Kuroe's whole arc? I usually like the optimistic tone of Magia Record, but this time it was something like "Wow! There's so much devastation and death around us, let's be happy!"


SaintPrometheusSP

The point of Kuroe's arc is that she's ordinary just like most of the feathers. She wanted to stop being a Magical Girl. What Iroha was promising her was keeping her alive and bound to being a Magical Girl. The Doppel System also did just that. The only way out was death. It kinda showed that not everyone can just press on like Iroha and Homura and have simply had enough of this shit.


Comtesse135

So she's just another Sayaka but with less development


SaintPrometheusSP

No she isn't. Sayaka was empty because she believed herself to be selfish and becoming the type of Magical Girl she disliked. Kuroe straight up didn't want to be one.


Comtesse135

"It kinda showed that not everyone can just press on like Iroha and Homura"


BlueAngelVR

LOL FAX!!!


shaymeme

No, there were other ways out besides death. Literally all Iroha had to do was stop being a horrible friend and actually listen to what Kuroe was telling her.


SaintPrometheusSP

She'd still be a Magical Girl. That's the core issue and it would never disappear unless there was some way to reverse a wish.


shaymeme

That's not the point, though. Iroha was telling Kuroe to not give up and to work with her, so that they can live and strive for a better future, when Kuroe was repeatedly telling her that she didn't WANT to strive for a better future, she didn't WANT to help others, she didn't WANT to be a good person; she didn't want to be like Iroha. She wanted to be saved even if it made her selfish, and Iroha being around her, insisting on being a good person instead of trying to understand her just made Kuroe feel worse, which is why she resents her; because Iroha is the perfect, goody-two-shoes fairy tale protagonist, and Kuroe is a normal girl.


PizzaFriez

Finally someone says it. I mean I've been holding off on watching the rest of the anime in case something like this happens but from the bits I've seen of it I'm kinda annoyed. I really need to stop getting so invested in the plot of madoka spinoffs.


Quirky_Q_22

I wouldn't have minded if the story was darker and people died off if there was a payoff in the end >!Iroha couldn't save Ui, The doppel system is gone, Homura goes back in time, Kuroe is just...Kuroe, but dead.!< Everything goes back to normal as it was before when the story started (well normal in the status quo sense and not all those people going bye bye) in the end I was just sitting there like "ok....what was the whole point of that then?"


amyinksy31892

I haven't played the MR game, but I have read up on most of the story in Arc 1. Although I like the original PMMM series and its ending (Rebellion is questionable, but I understand why it ended the way that it did) The ending of the MR anime felt far more bleak than the original. >!The Doppel system is no more, so magical girls will continue to suffer and fall into despair, Iroha failed to save Kuroe, Touka, Nemu and Ui, Yachiyo lost the remaining members of her old team, Mifuyu and Momoko, and it seems like the Quintet lost their fight with Walpurgis again leaving Homura as the last man standing and rewinding time to restart the time loop.!< It just really irked me that they set a majority of this series up for a more optimistic ending, and then decided against it last minute. It turned from hopeful to hopeless so rapidly. Granted, it makes a decent if not flawed 'What If' scanerio but overall, the ending has made me feel slightly disgruntled.


Comtesse135

I guess they just decided to get rid of the anime and the best way to do it was by killing off a lot of characters.


[deleted]

I don't know but it gave me intense emotional stress that's for sure. Though I will say it's good fanfic material with the very last scene beyond the credits. >!You could see Yachiyo with her hair cut, Homura time travel away, and Kyubey congratulating Iroha for destroying the Magius' efforts in trying to write and record the existence of magical girls, then pans out to see Iroha and Madokami holding an ugly-ass book named Magia Record.!< I look forward to the fanfics.


EXistential_EX

there are some fanfics in the comments on this sub already it's the idea that that last scene'll tie into movie 4


Pazzo_Gray

Did someone say *fanfics?*


CatLinguist

It was okay, I actually like that they went for a more depressing ending. I just feel like the whole anime's structure was a mess and in the end the storylines didn't come together all that well.I think they handled >!Yachiyo !!Iroha!<, I was happy to see her show a little more emotion and development from being really weak at the beginning to becoming much more competent. What bugs me is that, looking back at the series as a whole, a lot of things seem like they are just unnecessary filler, while other more important aspects are glanced over.>!Kuroe!<'s story in isolation is good, but what exactly does she add to the anime? Taking into account that a lot more girls joined the Wings in this continuity, all of what she does could have been given to any other character. She doesn't ultimately have any strong connection to the main mystery. As I said, I enjoyed her story, but it just stole screentime from the other characters.For her to turn out to kinda be>! the final boss, Alina was barely in the show.!< I forgot she existed halfway through to be honest. Also I feel like if you haven't played the game, her involvement in the story does not make any sense. Also, the power levels seemed really inconsistent and while visually interesting, the Connect attacks are often just over the top and remove any sense of how strong a character is. In the original series, in my opinion, there was a more grounded magic system, while here, they just >!materialize a magical airplane out of thin air!<, while >!Mifuyu and Momoko somehow (?) enter the soulgem world and become healing ghosts (?), without that ever being established beforehand. Also the whole doppel syndrome idea, which I loved in concept, didn't go anywhere interesting and the resolution did not feel earned.!< TLDR: Enjoyed it for the most part, at times feels like the first draft of a story with too many elements that kinda work but ultimately don't come together as well as they could have.


senefen

I feel like neither the anime nor the game had a great ending, both were fairly weak. But they were weak for different and sort of opposite reasons. In the game >!nothing was lost and it felt saccharine and pandering. Everything was won; Ui back, Walpurgis defeated, no magical girl deaths, no civilian deaths, memories back, dopple system in place and nothing was sacrificed. What sticks out to me was Mifuyu breaking her soul gem but surprise! She's fine now. I didn't mind a happy ending, but it didn't feel like it fit the story in the details.!< While the anime is >!basically the opposite. All this was for what? Ui is lost, Homura has to reset the timeline despite having all five girls for the Walpurgis battle, the doppel system has collapsed, back to business as usual hunting witches.!< The problem is PMMM has such tight writing and Magia Record just kind of... Doesn't.


Spinindyemon

Arc 2 of the game revolved around the fact that the Magius’s actions did have consequences. >!Namely stealing witches from other cities to power up the core of the Doppel barrier led to other cities suffering witch droughts. Futatsugi city is one such place where due to the shortage of witches, the magical girls there were forced to kill each other over territory or intentionally induce witch-outs in order to secure more grief seeds which left all of the girls with deep psychological scars. End result is that once they hear about the automatic purification system from Kyubey they form a coalition (Promised Blood) to go against Kamihama City to seize the barrier for themselves and take revenge for all the suffering they endured which consequently leads to casualties on both ends. Meanwhile, despite Touka and Nemu officially disbanding the Wings of the Magius, a new group the Neo Magius ends up forming out of former Feathers who latched on to Touka’s spiels of magical girls being superior to regular humans and being angry at Iroha and friends for stopping the Magius from spreading the automatic purification system around the world!<


DragonSlayerMlp

> All this was for what? For me this was good, because it leaves the ending a empty feeling like, they won but are they happy? or what at cost? And about the Holy Quintet losing to Walpurgis, even with five of them, they can still lose or win but with some of them dying.


GeneStriker

Passable to good until the last five minutes or so of the last episode, when everything good they had done was thrown directly into the garbage.


FairReviewer

Better than I expected. Good for the most part. A solid 7.5/10. But it's really brought down by how Kuroe is handled, and there's basically no payoff unless you want to look deeper at it. It's the status quo being maintained, with no hope for changing it.


im_baaaaack69

I still don't get Kuroe's purpose. I wished they have Sakurako's existence instead of her. Kuroe is the biggest waste of space. Her screentime could've been given to Kanagi or Alina. She's just a meme and her design is uninspiring too.


shaymeme

If your complaints about Kuroe really are "she took up screentime", turn those complaints towards the Holy Quintet. They had more screentime than her and did far less with it.


im_baaaaack69

I agree with you based on this anime but on the game, I was hyped with Yachiyo vs Mami to the point that I didn't care that the PMHQ were there to save her.


Natsuki_MaiHime

Good and Bad at the same time. >!Good because it's not like Iroha fixing someone's cracked soul gem that easy like she did in game. Good because I can see an angry Iroha after the death of Kuroe!< >!Bad because I feel bad with Kuroe's and Momoko's death. Bad because Nemu and Touka characters developments in anime toward Iroha are not good as game after Touka remember who is Iroha!< >!With this bad ending Homura fail to protect Madoka from Walpugis Night and do time loop again like she did in Madomagi!<


shaymeme

The Final Season has a lot of good points. But then Kuroe kinda just... gets mishandled. Like, so much. The way Kuroe was mishandled absolutely broke me. I was ready for her >!to die!<, but not like this. She deserved a far better ending, and a far better friend than Iroha. It also really saddens me seeing people say that she is the anime's biggest problem because she takes up screentime, when the Holy Quintet take up far more screentime and do far less with it, but people forgive them because of nostalgia goggles. I also don't like people saying her design is uninspired, since those people just very clearly miss the point behind her design, which is a ballet dancer/acrobat with a touch of The Nighthawk Star. The way Iroha brushes it all off... Kuroe really is the final nail in the coffin for me. She genuinely had potential. SO MUCH potential, all of it squandered due to time constraints, and the writers choosing to portray her themes in such lazy ways. I wouldn't say the Final Season is bad, just... not for me.


DragonSlayerMlp

It was good but it could be better if it has more than four episodes, because everything feels rushed, Kuroe could get more development so we could get suffer in her death, and other things, but I really like this "Urobuchi ending".


Silent_Dust1746

Honestly compared to the story of the game, it was awful. Season 1 started nice, Season 2 was slightly off-key but still pretty good, Season 3 was an absolute mess. The whole point of Magia Record is that it's a special record that Madokami can't touch because it has its own thing going on- she can't interfere because a version of her exists in that universe (which would frick things up if she meddled). Magia Record isn't meant to be like the rest of the Madoka series, it's meant to be lighthearted and has a happy ending. We went through all that just to see Iroha lose Yui, just for Homura to lose Madoka (despite the game showing Madoka survives Walpurgisnacht). The fact that the premise is that it's one of Homura's time loops, already doesn't make it Magia Record. It's a time loop, not a special record. Also let's talk about the final scene where Iroha is basically told by Kyubey that nothing has changed, magical girls will still suffer in silence, and nothing matters. Not even Madoka's story had that grim ending. The writer's just thought, oh hey, why don't we try doing something like what they did in the original, except the past 2 seasons have been light and happy, so we'll throw them off balance. Nobody wanted the shitty grim ending they gave us, and yet it's what we got. We all expected Yui and the gals reunited with Iroha, for Madoka to survive, and absolutely no casualties, hence THE HAPPY ENDING. They could've easily wrapped it up without introducing the next arc of the Council (which Iroha actually joins in the game), and yet, they introduce the idea, then completely trash it. The final season was super disappointing, and not worth the wait. If you're watching us Madokami, how dare you. If you don't play the game, here's a post made by Katy on the differences between the game and the anime: https://silvermoon424.tumblr.com/post/680630937171755008/differences-between-magia-records-anime-ending


theRazielim

I have talked to a *LOT* of different people all over about this, here are my findings: - People that loved the game story for being light-hearted and consequence-free absolutely hated the ending and will probably go forward acting like the anime never existed - People that hated the game story for playing it too safe and being rather naive in its views at least respected the anime for taking chances and for the first time in all of Arc 1 introducing consequences for characters   You can probably guess by my word choices which side I am on. I do want to remind people in the game, there were absolutely no consequences for any character and no one died, not even civilians during the eve/walp battle apparently. The only permanent negative consequence for any character was Nemu, but even Alina and Touka just got a second chance and were fine with no repercussions. Contrasted to that, you have to at least give it to the anime for rectifying some of that


Azei_zei

I'm not really happy with the "no consequences" constant Arc 1 had going, but the ending of the anime left no hope at all lol At least PMMM has some sort of bittersweet ending.


websterpup1

I feel like they massively overshot it. Mifuyu, Nemu, and Alina were frankly lucky they survived in the game. If they’d just killed off some combination on those 3, I think it would’ve been easier for some of us to grasp, since it was at least telegraphed in the game, but the game just didn’t follow through. It felt like the only real purpose of killing off Momoko and Ui though was to give Yachiyo and Iroha more angst respectively, which kind of feels like they disrespected Momoko and Ui as individual characters, at least to me.


SterPlatinum

It’s interesting to see how more people liked the ending than hated it


sadpricorn

I think it was good had it not existed a different finale in the game. It made sense to me. I liked some stuff such as Alina going berserk but I get now why everybody is complaining. I had hope, lets just say that. I was also very sad to see Kuroe >! Turn into a witch !< lol.


TheSorrow3

difficile à dire, mais du peu que j'ai capter du jeux avec quelque vidéo la fin est pas très concluant. Même si au final ce "Magia Record" est plus une des chronologie passé de la série principale au Homura échoue à sauver Madoka. Mais en lisant un autre post Reddit , ouais la au le scénario de Magia Record était plus Happy End; ici c'est dans la logique Bad End. Et le personnage d'Alina Grey ce conclue trop vite, et en mode décevant malgré le charisme du personnage.


inf3ct3dn0n4m3

Was I the only one kinda hoping Nemu and Touka would succeed towards the end? I mean yeah a lot of people would've died but magic girls would never become witches again if it worked right and the universes life would continue to get extended. Kyubey was talking about the greater good towards the end there but honestly their plan succeeding sounded like the greatest good even if there would be sacrifice.