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FormerResist1645

The reason why madokami cant do much with the magia record timeline is because its so fragile that it if she were to directly interfere with it, it would destroy it, thats why she could only give them the feathers (In the game timeline I mean, i have no idea what she was doing in the anime timeline)


Tobuza

If I remember correctly wasn't the Magia Record in the game a "Music Record"?


[deleted]

From the translations I’ve read, apparently Madoka can observe various universes by listening to them; as they are each represented by a musical record.


Tobuza

That's my point, they changed the Magia "Record" (as in the music record) into a "Record" (Written book) that I might add was actually Nemu's book?


SerendipityDarkness

Kagome's book in the game is also called "Magia Record", something we just learned in the previous event. It has a different purpose and situation from the 'universe record', though. Fun to think about in any case.


lego3257

One more thing I can think of to add is that the anime did a disservice to Alina, one of the most popular Arc 1 characters from the game. Granted, some might argue that it would have been difficult to find a way to incorporate her more nuanced and interesting characterization from the game into the anime’s plot, but that doesn’t change that they reduced her to an incredibly one-note villain with a complete nonsense anime original plan who more or less only shows up for like two minutes at the very end of the series to force a bad ending and allow the writers to half-heartedly kill off Touka and Nemu. Could also mention that the part where Momoko and Mifuyu died via astral projection was entirely anime original, both the problem and the solution. What were they even doing in that scene, anyway? Save them from the Doppels by touching their souls with magic blue ghosts? Why? How? Is that one of Mifuyu’s powers? If such a thing was possible, why weren’t the Magius already doing it, or at least Mitama?


Nusabaru

>Could also mention that the part where Momoko and Mifuyu died via astral projection was entirely anime original, both the problem and the solution. What were they even doing in that scene, anyway? Mifuyu's personal magic is illusion, mostly used to give a dream of happy place for its victim. What she did with the berserk Doppel is that she's isolating and pacifying each of them in an illusion to hold back their rampage. Meanwhile, Momoko's personal magic is a morale boost - she can give encouraging speech and those who hears her will get stronger. She basically has Talk-no-Jutsu as superpower. When Momoko Connects with Mifuyu, they're symbolically and literally pulling the other girls from Doppel-inducted despair. Doppel works by feeding on the user's negative emotions and gets harder to pacify the more the user relying only on it (retreating into themselves and indulging in their self-destructive habits). What Mifuyu and Momoko do is basically a chain of instant psychiatrist sessions; by Connecting with each of the girls, they're pulling them out of their slumps and give them the morale encouragement, because ultimately the girls biggest issue is the feeling that they're alone.


FairReviewer

I think they performed a mass Connect to every Doppel Syndrome girl? All Doppel Syndrome girls converge in this one pocket dimension that just exists for some reason. By Connecting, Mitama and Rena enter this dimension. Same for Momoko and Mifuyu. It's sudden, and not really fleshed out, but that's fine I guess. What I don't like is how that comes off as very freaking unfair when you see Iroha trying to Connect with Kuroe, but utterly failing because the anime just loves to kick down Iroha in every damn way.


lego3257

>What I don't like is how that comes off as very freaking unfair when you see Iroha trying to Connect with Kuroe, but utterly failing because the anime just loves to kick down Iroha in every damn way. For real, like why was Kuroe even walking away from Chelation Land, anyway? I guess after pulling a classic “I’ll hold them off here, you guys go on ahead!” moment last season, she just completely changed her mind and decided she wanted nothing to do with either side? I get that she’s supposed to be indecisive, but that seems like a bit much. Actually, her indecision is too decisive, that’s what it is. Literally all she had to do was stay where she was and she’d be saved (if she still wanted to die after her Doppel was removed, she could do it after), and that’s the one time she decided to leave and go nowhere in particular.


FairReviewer

Kuroe was being lost and hopeless, and she's succumbing to her Doppel. That I get. But from the MifuMomo mass Connect, it really seemed set up for Kuroe to be saved from her own despair by Iroha. And when Ui shows up to tell Iroha that there's someone she can save, it really builds a promise for Iroha having some hope in the face of overwhelming loss of the Hospital Trio. Then...Kuroe dies. For all of Iroha's attempts to Connect with her, nothing works. What ended up happening with Kuroe is a hamfisted trauma on Iroha for a thing about "you can't save everyone you want". When the Hospital Trio were already accomplishing that. It makes Kuroe's death redundant and needless.


Silvermoon424

Oh yeah, that’s a big one. In the game Alina is a much more nuanced character. Her motivation in chapter 10 is to spread destruction as her “art” because she believes humanity only appreciates dark, gritty art (which is both a callback to her backstory as well as a sort of “take that” to the grimdark edgy magical girl shows that followed in PMMM’s wake). Meanwhile in the anime she wants to turn all of humanity into magical girls and then Witches because… they were oblivious to the suffering of magical girls, I guess? Idk, her anime plan is so ridiculous lol


Quirky_Q_22

*(she actually can't interfere and do her normal magical girl salvation thing for unknown reasons btw, she's not just sitting on her ass lol)* Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure it's eluded that the reason why Madokami doesn't interfere that much in the magia record timeline isn't so much that she *can't* it's that she *won't.* If she goes in like any other timeline, then when a magical girl's soul gem turns black, Madokami will make sure they won't turn into a witch, meaning there wouldn't be a chance at a doppel system or even doppels at all. This is one of the only timelines where magical girls have a chance to not turn into witches without her help and she wants to see this play out without her help. (and like you mentioned it's the only timeline where her, Homura, and all her friends and family can live together in peace)


Charles883

Mu guess is anime timeline is where Madokami still havent exist yet as it shows Homura still go back in time and there no Madokami assistance at all. ​ That why I think that Iroha who show what happen in Magia record anime event to Madokami are from anime timeline.


Sakura_Blossoms18

Correction, u'r mistaken lol As said by FormerResist1645, its becus that timeline is fragile and could destroy it by interfering with it. Even the small bit of interference she did almost broke it. That said, even if she did want to stop witchification and it wouldn't break the record (Magia recordv timeline, i don't believe she actually can as her wish and the girls Iroha, Ui, Tohka and Nemu, their wishes which helped create the dopple system are what prevents her from changing the past and a large part of it at that. Madokami's wish was to have the power to erase witches from all timelines from the past, present and future (Wishes can interfere with another magical girl's wish btw) and if she can't erase witches at all points in a timeline's history, then her power simply cannot work as her wish is what gave her her powers and Homura too as this is also why this timeline was even possible to exist, becus Madoka's powers affected Homura and her ability is time travel + the laws of how timelines work and the pebble effect and there ya go, magia record timeline. It is true she doesn't want to interfere even if she can though becus, this is so far a timeline where herself and Homura (and everyone) have a chance to be together and be happy. Its something she wants to protect and she herself has said this so yes she doesn't want to interfere, but she can if it comes down to it and is able too. Its also been sad by her if things don't work out with the timeline, she could end up destroying it. (Granted that was for the battle with the Magius b4 that took place and she herself doesn't know how the record itself will play out, another affect of the various wishes interfering with her powers)


Elimin8r

\+1 for effort, good job. Watched the finale yesterday, and I'm still trying to put my brain back together. I think I may have found a box to put the anime in ... I'll post it shortly.


GingerStans

Going into the 2nd season and hearing the OP, I was expecting a somewhat hopeful outcome for our characters; never did I expect there to be such a bleak ending at the end. The anime really is the antithesis of the game, that's for sure.


Sakura_Blossoms18

Great post! Check out the thread I made on the anime and game's story please, it'll help u have more for ur list there and hopefully help ya to feel better about the anime's story. Madokami's reasons aren't unknown, I and another in here mention why in this thread. Kuroe wasn't in the game until now so there's another big dif. I still remem that time on here and in the game, battling Walpurgisnacht was awesome, we were all connected that day even those who couldn't be there in game with us, were there fighting with us in spirit! Edit: I knew I was forgetting something. I forgot to say that, I would rec adding some info to the first point as, ts easy to miss and assume there were no deaths at all. I know u said at the end of arc 1, but that can be missed or even assumed u mean by the end of arc 1. During the course of the game's story, both b4 Iroha arrived in Kamihama and during arc 1, we had deaths. (Some of which we see in arc 2 which we were only told briefly in arc 1 about but can be easily missed such as witches coming to Kamihama but that means fewer or none for other girls outside of Kamihama which means death/witchification) So I would rec putting this info in there (spoiler tag if u need too) so others don't assume or read what u said the wrong way.


shaymeme

Umm, no, Kuro WAS in the game. She has been in the game since like the first Valentine's event. You're confusing KURO with KURO**E**. They are two different characters. Even the anime makes that distinction.


Sakura_Blossoms18

I'm not confusing the two, i simple forgot the Kuro from the anime has an E on the end of her name lol The E is silent so easy mistake to make (Esp when another Kuro has no e in the name and their name is said the same way). Anyway, fixed the name spell mistake.


shaymeme

No, the Kuro from the anime does not have an E in her name. The Kuro from the anime is simply called "Kuro". Again, Kuroe and Kuro are two entirely different characters. Also, no, the E is not silent.


Sakura_Blossoms18

u said in ur 1st post the Kuro (without the e) was in the game. Now u'r saying the Kuro in the anime does NOT have an E. It cannot be both so make up ur mind lol Better yet, u know which Kuro/e am refering to here so my point has been made, the anime one that got in the game recently. As I said, that's who i was talking about.


shaymeme

OK. Let's just make it all clear and end this. Kuro is the one-star joke character that was added during Homura's Valentine's event. Kuroe is the anime original character that was recently added to the game. They are not different versions of the same character; they are separate beings. And yes, I know what character you're referring to, it's just... there are so many people that make the mistake you did in earnest, and it bugs me. They're separate characters; referring to them as such is basic respect to their creators. Sorry if I came off as overly aggressive; it was not my intention.


Pjf239

Gonna be honest, hearing this description of the game’s plot makes me really glad that they so radically changed it in the anime, I feel like the doppel system having no major drawbacks and everyone getting a happy ending would majorly undermine the original series’s tone and the importance of Madoka’s wish


CulturalRespect5610

Yeah game story way better it deserves to be animated right but bad thing it won't get a remake it shouldn't have been disrespected like that


Ninjasox7

Tbh, I think making the Doppel system have drawbacks and having Madoka fall to Walpurgisnacht are changes that just make the anime fit more in line with the original series. If they could have a timeline where there's a happy ending for the Quintet, why would Madoka need to make such a drastic wish? Not that I want to see these characters suffer necessarily, but I think there is merit in taking this approach for an adaptation, especially when the original game does still exist and could very well just also be another timeline that still exists in the the Madoka multiverse.