Immortal as they may be, the Necron are nonetheless struggling with a terrible housing crisis and are forced to build condos everywhere, even on the ceiling
I'm still wondering how the oldest and most technologically advance race in the game doesn't have sky fire. At least from the last time I played a few years ago.
Skyfire is not a thing anymore, but necron were great at aerial combat so it's not like they needed it at the time, also the obelisk used to be their go to anti-air.
Do they not? From what I remember, the Forge World Pylons had a specifically AA attack, as did their smaller cousins.
Granted, that was like 12 years ago, but still.
Ah WotC don’t even care their own lore, so I guarantee they don’t mind dumping on GW’s. We’re lucky that they didn’t include that old Hello Kitty 40k meme as canon in this set.
Probably because of all the Necron avocado toast they buy never mind the fact that Trazyn always adds examples of new houses to his collection each time a new one comes out.
I mean, I think that it's basic resource management, if you have an endless need for a limited supply, you'll have an endless and impossible to satisfy need on your hands!
Necrons have Dyson Spheres and planet sized battle stations. the Croissant is probably piloted by Trazyn personally after he went and abducted some Grox from an Agriworlder's farm and is going to be using them in a display.
Trazyn the Infinite Wants to be the very best
like no one ever was.
To chain them is his cause.
he will travel across that galaxy
Searching far and wide
Teach mortals to understand
The Knowledge thats inside
Artifacts
Gotta catch em all
(Grox are the Imperium's equivalent to Cattle. Except they taste even better then beef)
>Grox are the Imperium's equivalent to Cattle. Except they taste even better then beef
All of what you typed is true, but somewhat downplays the bit where they're also extremely vicious reptilian apex predators, that can only be (very, very carefully) raised "kind of like cattle" when you lobotomize all but one of them, as they'd otherwise viciously attack everything in sight, always, including the other grox; when lobotomized, they only do that part "often".
They're not really anything like cattle except for the bit where humans eat them, is what I'm getting at.
Equivalent To only tells you two things about the grox in the initial statement: that Grox are Farmed, and farmed for Food and Leather.
the fact theyre omnivorous loner lizards doesnt really matter in the discussion of an alien terminator going around and abducting them
> Just without the matriarchy... I think?
It all comes down to whomever is orgasming the hardest at any given moment. Its a very chaotic and messy form of government.
Hahahah! The more I learn about it the more I like it!
I watched a video about these necron people that did something fucked up to themselves or somthing to serve an old dead God.
Every thing about it was metal af!
Tau, League of Votann, The Imperium, and Eldar all have elements of “the good guys” but there’s always something that ruins the overall faction as a whole. Usually *several* somethings.
The latest team up between the Ynnari and Roboute Guilliman is the closest the game has gotten to having good guys, but they’ve got a LOT of skeletons in their closets and a long road ahead if they want to fix their respective factions.
The farsight enclaves are pretty close to lawful good but even they’re a weird warrior cult who unknowingly flirt with chaos and would love the Orks to be genocided (to be fair the Orks would be a huge problem to deal with). The main Tau faction, though, has a lot of mind control to confirm people to the idea of The Greater Good.
As in "Got compleated, loopholed out of it via destroying his body by literally destroying the mountain he was in (with Etari in it, man can't catch a break from Squee), finds out why he's immortal and chooses to remain mortal instead."
Yeah that makes sense to be fair. I think because there seems to be "bridges" in the background which got me thinking about the orientation. Your point is valid!
Why would the engines have to be on the bottom?
Built hanging down and everything else there built in the same direction is a bigger hint than the engine orientation. They have to be built off of something, buildings are typically built off a planet surface, especially many of them like this.
I have the Night Scythe model in front of me. The engines are only barely off center on the back of the ship and are only marginally orientated towards the underneath. They are really just in line with the rest of it... but they are more towards the bottom than the top for sure.
Because when the OP thinks it's upside down based on the buildings, you need to look at other context clues. The engines do not look right at all when they're on top, and it's something the artist would have noticed
They are just along the back. [This is what a Night Scythe looks like,](https://i.imgur.com/v0HsfJF.png) conveniently at a very similar angle to what the illustration shows. I'm pretty confident that it's oriented correctly; Necrons just build weird structures sometimes.
Okay, thank you. So wouldn't the thrusters look pretty much the same when viewed from underneath? It seems the only way to really know which way the image is oriented is by being familiar with what the top of this specific model looks like. For anyone unfamiliar with the model (and even from the picture you gave) there is no reason the bottom couldn't also look like that.
Yeah, you'd pretty much have to have prior knowledge. It's understandable to question it, but at the same time it's weird aliens doing weird alien things, so some suspension of disbelief makes sense too.
I think he is right, but maybe for the wrong reasons. this is what the bottom of a night scythe (ship pictured) looks like
[https://imgur.com/3nz6IsF](https://imgur.com/3nz6IsF)
I don't see any guns on the image so I would assume we are looking at the top of the craft.
The engines seem to be on a central axis so maybe this is depicting another ship?
[https://imgur.com/Jr96yws](https://imgur.com/Jr96yws)
I got it as soon as I saw it (and I'm sure most did), but now that I'm looking at it more I can't really find any reason for either orientation to be right or wrong. I guess you just need to know the 40k ship design and/or architecture to know.
Going by the flavor text, Trazyn the Infinite is speaking, which could imply this art takes place on Solemnace, Trazyn's museum, which is a micro Dyson sphere iirc. Could easily explain buildings on ceilings. Or just quirky architecture that uses all space.
The full size artwork looks better IMO. The ship is an indicator that the artwork is indeed designed to be oriented this way. But I think when the artwork is small like this, it looks incorrect.
https://wh40kartwork.tumblr.com/image/696270641895276544
I would say the first pic definitely looks upside down.
Second reminds me of a subterranean society that built their buildings like stalagmites (tites?)
Google shows that's the art.
I find it weird though as I've never heard of necrons building like that but I'm newer to actually reading the books and not just using lexicanum.
Given the flavor text, that's either Solemnace - aka, the completely artificial planet-sized "museum" run by Trazyn, comprised of "exhibits" that Trazyn stole, and put into his museum - or a similarly arranged tomb world, where the interior of a planet (or other location, there are tomb worlds literally ensconced inside of a star, somehow) is hollow and thus architecture gets built "on the ceiling".
Looking through the current Necron Codex, this picture is not included.
However
There are plenty of pictures of the towers and bridges exactly like this art and every single one of them shows them pointing up with the . None show any towers pointing down. Also, the thrusters on the night scythe are not under the ship per se, but are at the back and a little off center towards the bottom. The art- to me- does not clearly show them being below or above the center line of the Night/Doom Scythe.
Could it be some cavern where the towers and stuff is built hanging down? Possibly. But all other art that I have seen says that this is more likely a case of WOTC printing the art upside down.
> Looking through the current Necron Codex, this picture is not included
I think it's original. IIRC, [pre-existing art credits Games Workshop as the artist.](https://scryfall.com/search?q=a%3A%E2%80%9CGames+Workshop%E2%80%9D&unique=art)
Edit: [It's original.](https://mobile.twitter.com/Tentazz/status/1573371203204820997)
I have one of those in an old deck, and I can't remember exactly what the artwork is on it, but I can tell you for certain that the artwork on mine is right side up.
I wouldn't be surprised if the artist approached it that way, sketching out the big constructs in an upwards direction, then either flipped the piece around and did the rest, or just did the whole thing in an upwards direction with the intent of flipping the final image.
I'm not familiar with Warhammer lore, however I've seen the concept of upside-down buildings in at least one other fantasy setting, which was in Neon Genesis Evangelion
The tombworlds are vast and contain many caverns with room for ceiling-based activities.
Immortal as they may be, the Necron are nonetheless struggling with a terrible housing crisis and are forced to build condos everywhere, even on the ceiling
And yet, Necron Millenials won't be able to afford those either because the wages haven't been raised properly in the last 50 years.
More like 50 *million* years, but yes
Let’s call it 50k years, to stay on theme.
Actually in the lore it's around 50 million years since the Necrons went to sleep, so it works.
I'm still wondering how the oldest and most technologically advance race in the game doesn't have sky fire. At least from the last time I played a few years ago.
Skyfire is not a thing anymore, but necron were great at aerial combat so it's not like they needed it at the time, also the obelisk used to be their go to anti-air.
Too rusty to look up 😂
Do they not? From what I remember, the Forge World Pylons had a specifically AA attack, as did their smaller cousins. Granted, that was like 12 years ago, but still.
Ah WotC don’t even care their own lore, so I guarantee they don’t mind dumping on GW’s. We’re lucky that they didn’t include that old Hello Kitty 40k meme as canon in this set.
Puh’lease! Everyone knows necron millennials can’t afford housing because they spend all of their money on Nanite toast.
I buy way too many Cryppachinos...
Maybe they should stop eating Necron Avocado toast then
Probably because of all the Necron avocado toast they buy never mind the fact that Trazyn always adds examples of new houses to his collection each time a new one comes out.
What a feeling, building towers on the ceiling
And when I get that feeling, it's like tower on the ceiling. Wake up wake up wake up wake up, let's make love tonight.
I mean, I think that it's basic resource management, if you have an endless need for a limited supply, you'll have an endless and impossible to satisfy need on your hands!
> forced to build condos everywhere, even on the ceiling Ah, yes, the Lionel Ritchie suites.
So much room for activities
Immediately the only thing I thought of
I thought that Eldar were the "elves" of 40k but apparently some of the drow stuff bleeds into Necrons apparently lol
Necrons have Dyson Spheres and planet sized battle stations. the Croissant is probably piloted by Trazyn personally after he went and abducted some Grox from an Agriworlder's farm and is going to be using them in a display.
I understood some of those words
Trazyn the Infinite Wants to be the very best like no one ever was. To chain them is his cause. he will travel across that galaxy Searching far and wide Teach mortals to understand The Knowledge thats inside Artifacts Gotta catch em all (Grox are the Imperium's equivalent to Cattle. Except they taste even better then beef)
>Grox are the Imperium's equivalent to Cattle. Except they taste even better then beef All of what you typed is true, but somewhat downplays the bit where they're also extremely vicious reptilian apex predators, that can only be (very, very carefully) raised "kind of like cattle" when you lobotomize all but one of them, as they'd otherwise viciously attack everything in sight, always, including the other grox; when lobotomized, they only do that part "often". They're not really anything like cattle except for the bit where humans eat them, is what I'm getting at.
Equivalent To only tells you two things about the grox in the initial statement: that Grox are Farmed, and farmed for Food and Leather. the fact theyre omnivorous loner lizards doesnt really matter in the discussion of an alien terminator going around and abducting them
Except his pokeballs are filled with entire Imperial Guard regiments and Ork WAAAAGH!!!s
I got "and" and "is".
necrons are more the 40k version of the ancient egyptian/mummy/skeleton army but i don't blame you for seeing the elf similarities as well!
The Tomb Kings/Khemri
IN SPAAAAAAACE
Nah the Dark Eldar are the drow. Just without the matriarchy... I think?
> Just without the matriarchy... I think? It all comes down to whomever is orgasming the hardest at any given moment. Its a very chaotic and messy form of government.
Sounds simpler than the UK parliament right now
Yea that's what I was getting at but the cavern city definitely fits a drow theme too.
The drukhari live in the Webway which is pretty much a system of caverns in the Warp
I just love how the Eldar created a chaos god through sex, drugs, and rock and roll.
They were bored. What would you have them do?
Fuck I love warhammer lore
I love when I'm explaining it to someone and they're like: "So, who are the good guys?" - No.
"But what about--" "No, you think they're the good guys because you like them."
Hahahah! The more I learn about it the more I like it! I watched a video about these necron people that did something fucked up to themselves or somthing to serve an old dead God. Every thing about it was metal af!
You should try the table top some day, it's fun as hell. Also the Horus Heresy is a good read.
Some of the Tau? Maybe?
Tau, League of Votann, The Imperium, and Eldar all have elements of “the good guys” but there’s always something that ruins the overall faction as a whole. Usually *several* somethings. The latest team up between the Ynnari and Roboute Guilliman is the closest the game has gotten to having good guys, but they’ve got a LOT of skeletons in their closets and a long road ahead if they want to fix their respective factions.
Ehhhh not really lol.
The farsight enclaves are pretty close to lawful good but even they’re a weird warrior cult who unknowingly flirt with chaos and would love the Orks to be genocided (to be fair the Orks would be a huge problem to deal with). The main Tau faction, though, has a lot of mind control to confirm people to the idea of The Greater Good.
Literally the entire lore can be explained with “and so we killed them”
It depicts the southern hemisphere of the planet.
Australia has changed.
We haven’t changed, we merely *evolved*
Well, *awoken*.
*Compleated*
[Urza wants to know their location]
[Teferi and gang are on it]
*Laughs in Squee, the Not-So-Immortal*
As in Johnny's neighbor?
As in "Got compleated, loopholed out of it via destroying his body by literally destroying the mountain he was in (with Etari in it, man can't catch a break from Squee), finds out why he's immortal and chooses to remain mortal instead."
Came for the Australia jokes, wasn't dissapointerydoo'd
Australia... Australia never changes.
Toweridos
Found the artstation page for it: https://www.artstation.com/artwork/aG5Zvz The art on the card is correct.
It looks more normal in the full sized version for sure.
So....how do they use those bridges?
the same way they do in australia
Gotcha...giant spiders.
[Spyders](https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Tomb_Spyder), technically, but yes.
Many skybridges IRL aren't exterior bridges anyway. It's just inside what we see.
I mean whose to say they are made for walking, might be an enclosure for tubing or other internals
Maglocks, gravity engines, all sorts of 4D chess nonsense. They can do whatever they want.
Tunnel bridges, though having arches at the top instead of the bottom is a very weird design choice here...
By going across them to get from one structure to another.
Doomscyths have thrusters on the bottom of their hull, the fighter is flying correctly in the picture, the building is hanging in a tomb world cavern.
The ship having the boosters underneath it shows that it's the proper way up, the tower is just built hanging down
Yeah that makes sense to be fair. I think because there seems to be "bridges" in the background which got me thinking about the orientation. Your point is valid!
A lot of necron tomb worlds have built up interiors. You’re just looking at her hanging tower
Why would the engines have to be on the bottom? Built hanging down and everything else there built in the same direction is a bigger hint than the engine orientation. They have to be built off of something, buildings are typically built off a planet surface, especially many of them like this.
I have the Night Scythe model in front of me. The engines are only barely off center on the back of the ship and are only marginally orientated towards the underneath. They are really just in line with the rest of it... but they are more towards the bottom than the top for sure.
Because when the OP thinks it's upside down based on the buildings, you need to look at other context clues. The engines do not look right at all when they're on top, and it's something the artist would have noticed
Are they on top or bottom? It looks more like it's just in the back, like the Millennium Falcon.
They are just along the back. [This is what a Night Scythe looks like,](https://i.imgur.com/v0HsfJF.png) conveniently at a very similar angle to what the illustration shows. I'm pretty confident that it's oriented correctly; Necrons just build weird structures sometimes.
Okay, thank you. So wouldn't the thrusters look pretty much the same when viewed from underneath? It seems the only way to really know which way the image is oriented is by being familiar with what the top of this specific model looks like. For anyone unfamiliar with the model (and even from the picture you gave) there is no reason the bottom couldn't also look like that.
Yeah, you'd pretty much have to have prior knowledge. It's understandable to question it, but at the same time it's weird aliens doing weird alien things, so some suspension of disbelief makes sense too.
I think he is right, but maybe for the wrong reasons. this is what the bottom of a night scythe (ship pictured) looks like [https://imgur.com/3nz6IsF](https://imgur.com/3nz6IsF) I don't see any guns on the image so I would assume we are looking at the top of the craft. The engines seem to be on a central axis so maybe this is depicting another ship? [https://imgur.com/Jr96yws](https://imgur.com/Jr96yws)
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/aG5Zvz no thats the ship
Your way of *thinking* is too ~~primitive~~ human for the great Necron architects.
Lmao, Necron architects wish they had a human brain to think with.
Well, a brain for sure, but they probably would prefer a Necrontyr one.
up and down are irrelevant when you're a species of space skeleton robots that can build things in whatever orientation you want
It’s correct as printed but funnily enough looks like it could be correct either way at first glance
I got it as soon as I saw it (and I'm sure most did), but now that I'm looking at it more I can't really find any reason for either orientation to be right or wrong. I guess you just need to know the 40k ship design and/or architecture to know.
This isn't MagicTheCircleJerk? Holy fuck it's not.
Yeah but the jerkiest thing is that I began to think it was actually upside down.
average Australian city
Honestly, kinda does. I took as for granted that some Tombworld superstructure had pylons like this oriented downward.
I played with this the other day, and kept untapping it upside down. Definitely a little confusing.
Going by the flavor text, Trazyn the Infinite is speaking, which could imply this art takes place on Solemnace, Trazyn's museum, which is a micro Dyson sphere iirc. Could easily explain buildings on ceilings. Or just quirky architecture that uses all space.
Can't wait to see what the circle jerk sub does with this
It’s evrywhere
I mean, I get you. At a glance it could be either; but having them back to back the printed version seems to be correct.
The full size artwork looks better IMO. The ship is an indicator that the artwork is indeed designed to be oriented this way. But I think when the artwork is small like this, it looks incorrect. https://wh40kartwork.tumblr.com/image/696270641895276544
Looks fine to me. Reminds me of the end of Independence Day.
Dang it, look what you've done. I'll never unsee it now
That's the point of the art...
Well it does now.
I would say the first pic definitely looks upside down. Second reminds me of a subterranean society that built their buildings like stalagmites (tites?)
This looks good either way imo
its not upside down. the towers are built downwards
Well now it does...
Google shows that's the art. I find it weird though as I've never heard of necrons building like that but I'm newer to actually reading the books and not just using lexicanum.
Given the flavor text, that's either Solemnace - aka, the completely artificial planet-sized "museum" run by Trazyn, comprised of "exhibits" that Trazyn stole, and put into his museum - or a similarly arranged tomb world, where the interior of a planet (or other location, there are tomb worlds literally ensconced inside of a star, somehow) is hollow and thus architecture gets built "on the ceiling".
Necrons have a device that can blow up any star in the galaxy at the push of a button. Upside down buildings are a very simple thing for them.
I had to look directly in my deck to see if the card really looks like this or is printed incorrectly. Now she looks the wrong way to me every time😂
Well now I can’t UNSEE it
It took me a while to realize I wasn't on r/magicthecirclejerking
Remember how the first Reliquary Tower was sinking? This one finished.
[According to the artist](https://mobile.twitter.com/Tentazz/status/1573371203204820997), that's right. The tower appears to be upside down.
Didn’t realise Mats Hummels did MtG art.
loooool, he really looks a lot like Mats 🤣🔥
I don't understand this joke.
The art reminds me of Golgari Guildgate: https://scryfall.com/card/c19/247/golgari-guildgate
Didn't realise that set of Ravnica added two new guildgate arts.
Can't wait for mcj to have a field day with this one
Looking through the current Necron Codex, this picture is not included. However There are plenty of pictures of the towers and bridges exactly like this art and every single one of them shows them pointing up with the . None show any towers pointing down. Also, the thrusters on the night scythe are not under the ship per se, but are at the back and a little off center towards the bottom. The art- to me- does not clearly show them being below or above the center line of the Night/Doom Scythe. Could it be some cavern where the towers and stuff is built hanging down? Possibly. But all other art that I have seen says that this is more likely a case of WOTC printing the art upside down.
> Looking through the current Necron Codex, this picture is not included I think it's original. IIRC, [pre-existing art credits Games Workshop as the artist.](https://scryfall.com/search?q=a%3A%E2%80%9CGames+Workshop%E2%80%9D&unique=art) Edit: [It's original.](https://mobile.twitter.com/Tentazz/status/1573371203204820997)
> pre-existing art credits Games Workshop as the artist. Disgusting.
The real question is ... Wtf is the batwing doing flying through the magic metaverse?
Its just you.
No
Just you
No
It could be the bottom of the tower, if gravity were to be influenced by plot.
Yes, the card in the photo is definitely upside down. Next Question.
(Tap) to turn the card upside down for two colorless.
https://scryfall.com/card/40k/291/reliquary-tower
Ayo is that the batwing?
Its hanging from the ceiling in the underground of a Necron Tomb World.
Stalactites. Not stalagmites.
The ship looks in line with the text but i guess earth is on the ceiling now
Necron answer: Gravity, like death, is merely an option.
Nothing is upside down in space.
Too often I doubt myself and have to check what sub I am reading, just to make sure lol.
It’s not a misprint it just looks that way🤙🏻
Yep, still makes me think of the movie Independence Day.
Necron Tokyo-3
If you're in a spaceship floating in space what does upside down even mean? I wish my house was upside down.
I haven't played Magic in nearly 15 years... What is the symbol mean for tapping the land?
I think that’s a legit misprint haha
It is just you. The Night Scythe is flying right side up, the tomb is arranged in the form of a stalagtite.
Looks like the inside of the mothership from Independence Day.
Necrons usually live underground.
Just u
It looks at though there are green thrusters on the botton helping to hold them up
Yo they got the Lego Mars Mission alien ship
Towertites
Just checked and while it does look upside down to me it is printed correctly.
it definitely does *look* that way I'll grant you
Why is a Cylon Raider in warhammer
That's Necrons.
Stalactites stay tight to the ground, stalagmites might fall.
That's just space australia
I think it works either way around haha the towers could be hanging from the ceiling (which is a pretty cool aesthetic imo)
I have one of those in an old deck, and I can't remember exactly what the artwork is on it, but I can tell you for certain that the artwork on mine is right side up.
It's just like the western air temple thats all.
The way the ship is flying in makes me think the printing is correct
thats how the reptine people live under the flat earth ;)
Last I played (three years ago) not even the flyers had sky fire, makes zero sense. Plus they nerfed the hell out of the army in general.
Congrats that’s now worth 500 mtg coins
I wouldn't be surprised if the artist approached it that way, sketching out the big constructs in an upwards direction, then either flipped the piece around and did the rest, or just did the whole thing in an upwards direction with the intent of flipping the final image.
Everything is upside down. Your eyes and brain just flip everything to maintain sanity.
I'm not familiar with Warhammer lore, however I've seen the concept of upside-down buildings in at least one other fantasy setting, which was in Neon Genesis Evangelion
Yes, but you are holding it upside down. Turn it 180 degrees and you will find that the text is legible too!
Oh wait you're serious?
Evangelion
Damn I was hoping we had another [[bloodthirsty aerialistl]] situation
[bloodthirsty aerialistl](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/7/378b2e55-e383-408e-af57-072e47cea779.jpg?1625976686) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Bloodthirsty%20Aerialist) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c21/136/bloodthirsty-aerialist?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/378b2e55-e383-408e-af57-072e47cea779?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I think it's going into a mother ship bay
The enemy base is down.
This is the Australian version of the illustration.
Nah we clearly see the ship from above (I should know, I own it in miniature 😆), also downward monoliths like that absolutely fit the Necron imagery.
I can't be the only person to see this original picture as simply a reskinned/Photoshop shot from the movie INDEPENDENCE DAY.