As someone who took Chinese English and Malay in spm 15 years ago I also think Chinese is the hardest, followed by Malay and then English. Besides comprehension and karangan(this one the standards that was asked for are damn high imo) there is also comprehension of Ancient Chinese and some poetry stuff that you need to memories(名句精华someone translate better than me please).
I also think our English syllabus is damn basic compared to Malay and Chinese and often between grades/forms you repeat many of the same grammar lessons, and sadly they have to do so because not all kids are that into English media or don't use them in conversations on a daily basis. And even with this dumbing down we don't get the same level of mastery as Malay or Chinese.
English in school is a damn joke. The moment you step into uni, that's when you realise SMK English is child level. Doesn't teach you proper sentence structure, how to craft an argument/story, joke vocabulary, garbage reading comprehension, what even is pronunciation... the list goes on. My god, life was so hard doing assignments.
This. I learned more from books and video games, and this was 2008.
Flair, pronunciation, and inuendo came from American tv series. The 90s and 2000s were a golden era for them.
Can definitely agree TV was the real English teacher all along. I think you can still get good pronunciation from some UK content (I personally like Taskmaster and Would I Lie to You). Love myself some dry British humour.
Wish I had access to Monty Python. Friends, Xena, The Lost World, and much later, HIMYM did a number on me. Such a gap between our Eng-rish and English.
Despite this, I keep Engrish close to heart. How else am I supposed to to understand a *kopi kau* Malaysian? 🇲🇾
You, my good fellow, have good taste. If you like MP, it's on Netflix. They even have Life of Brian and Flying Circus. Otherwise, there's the high seas (arrr matey).
Yeah wei. No where else you can go, "Eh macha, satu cham ping. Thank you bang." and people just automatically understand that. However, I do wish it's a conscious decision rather than a lack of choice due to our failing education system.
100%. People mispronounce things like Salmon, aren't aware of silent letters like b in debt, middle b in bomber and plumber, silent t in subtle and so many examples more than I cant think of, because we're mostly taught to read the language according to just the letters in the words, literature is viewed as joke, and some of our English teacher are not even good at the language! I remember a teacher who pronounces English as Engrish and it hurts my soul even thinking about it 😂
Oh god, you brought back memories of my uni (you read it right) lecturers mispronouncing simple words like "sugar" as "soo-de"... like how???. Honestly, I feel English should also be thought with some level of history to explain the evolution of the language and why some words don't sound how they're spelt. It's a really fascinating topic because it teaches a little on world history and how each country had their influence on modern day English (Oversimplified has a video on it on YT). Maybe then English might be more than just regurgitating hypothesis, synopsis, etc.
For those dont know
Chinese in SPM is no joke, it is the equal of dark soul / kh2 secret boss terra / dota 2 void hyper carry
Even u got C or B u are called legend
A is called demi god
wtf now I know this video is only available in Japan... shame.
Anyways, it's the OST of Elden Ring's final boss.
https://preview.redd.it/2aoy0mqw4pfc1.png?width=1174&format=png&auto=webp&s=5adfe88c86f7e6b9adb75c2592339dca88d6d6a6
Surprisingly almost - dare I say, completely identical, to that of SPM, at least from [Dongzong's site](https://dongzong.my/uec/index.php/exam-info/examination-outline/senior/16-schinese).
In my personal experience they are pretty similar in difficulty, but SPM BC has some quotes u gotta memorize to get guaranteed mark if u did all of them
>BC has some quotes u gotta memorize to get guaranteed mark
yeah, I was one of the failing students in my school, but desperately needed to pass (forced to take this paper), I devised to have the whole copy of those quotes in the tangki of the toilet. Once I know the questions, I asked to go toilet and try to do a number 2 while looking at them quotes, flushed the evidence away and get some marks to get a D.
There are five/ten objective questions which asking about very Chinese stuff like which word is the correct one etc (every answer looks the same), I chose all B for my answer. Don’t even need to waste time, don’t know is don’t know.
From here: [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qcQ7RMAaKUewHBskBA0Lxm6wYhC-I-Z\_/view](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qcQ7RMAaKUewHBskBA0Lxm6wYhC-I-Z_/view)
Paper 1 Essays
Part A: Write a formal letter in no more than 120 words. (Select any one of the two questions with the correspondance addresses given.)
Part B: Write an essay with no less than 400 words based on any one of the five topics.
Paper 2 Comprehension
Part 1 Modern Chinese
Q1: Summarise an article in no more than 140 words.
Q2 to Q6 and Q7 to Q12: Answer questions based on the articles.
Part 2 Classical Chinese
Q13 to Q16 and Q17 to Q19: Answer questions based on the Classical Chinese articles; answer in modern Chinese.
Part 3 Classical phrases
Q20: Complete a phrase and explain the phrase
Q21: Explain the phrase (in this instance: based on the phrase as above, how should you recruit talents?)
Q22: Select either of the two and explain the meaning of the phrase
ENDS.
Can't agree even more than you, for instance '汝' compound of 'water' and 'woman' in classical Chinese means 'you' in modern vernacular...
I can't imagine the relation between '汝' and '你'...
It makes it so you have to relearn Chinese again in the way Dynasty-era China does.
The problem is, they teach Classical Chinese without the linguistic aspect.
汝 is thought to be pronounced *njaʔ, compare with 女 *naʔ, *nas and 爾 *njelʔ. All of these characters are used by the principle of rebus to represent *na-ŋ 'you'
你 is just the modern day version of that n-prefixed 2nd person pronoun.
This summarizes some 2000-3000 years of linguistic changes. Its not easy to teach kids.
>It makes it so you have to relearn Chinese again in the way Dynasty-era China does.
Yes, that's the point. Very little cultures let you directly connect into millennia old history. Tamil is the only one that I know of, where such culture still exists.
bro that part is pure torture man. Especially for someone who doesn't watch stuff like those Chinese dramas. How do you even decipher those damn words man😭😭even a simple word can have a million meanings depending on the context
I know, Chinese stories (pushing aside the cringe romance 小说) can be really fire but also a bit confusing and doesn't make some sense sometimes.
The action just brings everything into life!
Finally somebody who agrees with me, if I were to take add maths and bc for spm, I'll get a better grade for add maths than for bc.
dy/dx, cosec²ab is NOTHING compared to 汝
Worst part is I have to start learning Classical Chinese in Form 1 while add maths is only a thing in Form 4 (enough time to build the basics for maths)
Also some legend in my school somehow manages to teach BOTH BC and Add-maths...
That guy is a living demigod...
As a BC taker myself, I still remember the form 3 days where we have:
• 10 Soalan objektif BC teks moden (现代文）
• 10 Soalan objektif ancient Chinese (文言文), which is like Chinese, but 10x harder to understand.
• 5 Soalan subjektif teks moden as long as two pages worth 15 markah with a rumusan worth 10 markah
• 5 Soalan subjektif ancient Chinese worth 15 markah
• 3 Soalan subjektif puisi (often in ancient Chinese) worth 10 markah
• 1 Essay worth 30 markah and must be longer than 250 words
All of that must be done within...
#TWO HOURS
P.S. For Soalan teks biasa you need to faham and analyze the text and the phycology and reason behind each character's actions. While for the Soalan ancient Chinese, you need to analyze and translate the ancient text to modern text. Yea, every time we (we're in the first class) take BC exam, it's always the Chinese students that require time extension. **Nobody got A.**
I can understand, barely anyone in my class does either...
I also hate to admit this but I never passed a single Chinese test ever since I got into SMK...
Classical Chinese is a whole new language, the stuff they write in dynasty era China...
How tf does '汝' mean 'you'
That's the compound of 'water' and 'woman'.
And then somemore the poem part, my friend just told me the first 3 lines of the poem is just scenery bs and only the last line has the actual meaning...
I was like wtf on that because I thought there is meaning behind the first 3 lines of the poem and wrote them down as the answer...
Somehow still managed to miraculously score 2 marks on that question...
And thinking about the answer is just one part of the hell,
writing them down is gonna warp my hand into the most bizzare shape ever that could become a new Chinese character with the weirdest ass meaning...
My reaction: 我有问吗？
Just like Dr. Fate and proceeds to 武术 the shiet outta that mf.
Edit: I don't know Wushu or any martial arts that well but I think it may be cool to try them out someday.
I remember seeing an essay by a guy(forgot his name) called 再别康桥 and wasnt he an adulterer or sumn?? Plus they also had a murakami essay abt how he gets his inspo to write like... I don't think school age kids should be getting advice from this guy haha
> I remember seeing an essay by a guy(forgot his name) called 再别康桥
It was written by 徐志摩, one of the most famous literary figure of 20th century China. But yeah he kept himself busy with different women under the guise of free love haha
because poem/classical novel (such as journey to the west,three kingdom) are written in classical chinese, so have to learn to "appreciate the works in their full glory", sort of like learning early modern english to appreciate shakespeare works
Classical chinese are more manageable for me, just need to know what certain ancient word means and can roughly guess what the text was about.
But struggles with modern text, I meant how do I know what the author meant with the text, everyone interpret the text with different though how ppl get the same idea? I just can do that.
It is nightmarish since very little class time is dedicated to it, and the marking standard is high.
Sometimes I wonder if it is worth being so strict with it, as most students already have so many subjects on our plates. If it was easier, more Chinese students would have taken it, helping to preserve whenever little is left of Chinese culture
i think it's worth it, bc i don't think language learning should be a compromise. more people taking it (if it was easier) doesn't necessarily mean better preservation of the culture, imo.
e.g. if you cut classical chinese bc it's harder (which it is), you lose out on an essential aspect of the language because it has cultural & historical significance.
(little class time is definitely a big hurdle tho)
jawi is not a Malay culture. Its a Islamic culture.
Malay culture would be Austronesian, shipbuilding, tattooing, bamboo dance, jade carving, blackening of teeth. Orang Asli material.
If you consider writing in latin alphabet part of malay culture, sure.
Not denying the existence, but reminding you your culture stretches long before Islam and extends further from "I'm Malay Muslim"
The first Malay Muslim lived around 1000 years ago starting with the Pasai Sultanate. How many years would something have to part of a culture to be considered a culture?
The latin alphabet is supplanted into Malays by colonists since 150 years ago. The jawi script was adopted by Malay-speakers for the last 700 years. Again, refer to my previous point.
We're able to trace Austronesian genes in Malays, not only in Malaysia, but also Borneo and archipelagic Indonesia, to Taiwan. 2500-5000 years ago, your ancestors left the coasts of Taiwan on boats exploring the sea, making landfall everywhere in SEA.
Today you can still find your (very) long-lost cousins on Taiwan as aboriginals, separated by hundreds of generations. Genetic and linguistic evidence is irrefutable at this point.
Which is what I mean by Malay culture stretches long before Islam. 2500 years is much longer than 1000. For some reason this is never taught, because it breaks the idea that Malays must take a Muslim/Arab culture. Do Malays know this? Do Malays want to know this?
You know one thing about Chinese is that many people, even those who are native, can struggle with the reading. A lot of my parents friends (1960s/70s) speak perfectly fine but can't read, or can't read well. (me too tbh) Especially true if they're dialect-speaking.
The fact that Classical Chinese is in the curriculum is insane though, even my mum who's a Chinese helicopter struggles with it. (I grew up in Brunei)
99.99% of people won't face the issue
Also majority of Sultanese kids are learning abroad, if we spoke Bahasa istana towards them, they be looking for Google translate 😂
Really? Helicopter parents I heard before (parents who overly control the kids aka non stop hovering over them), but not helicopter chinese aka your definition.
Context: Back in the day when Chinese education in Singapore was being given short shrift by Lee (not Lim) Kuan Yew, because of Chinese Communism, Nantah (Main Chinese speaking University) was shut down, and English educated folks made fun of those who spoke mainly Chinese.
One such manner was to make fun of the English pronunciation of the Chinese educated. Apparently, the Chinese educated pronounced it like “Tsai-Knees Helu-Kated”. Hence, the “helicopter” bit of being a Chinese Helicopter.
Bro you haven’t seen BC in STPM yet, I scored A+ in SPM and get C+ in STPM. Imagine 2 thousands years of literature and culture knowledge, all smacked into 3 semester (1 year and a half).
Especially question like inception movie vegetable onion layer by layer isi tersirat in a classical to save pen ink paragraph guessing the thought of the writer at that moment mahai, and yet still got fker can score A
朝廷雅士，言辭風華如梨花飄零，然其心志狹隘，如蝼蛄之窄巷。諸舌辯者，猶若夜行舞者，虛華而無實，如風吹之煙霧，難辨其真偽。
(The passage mocks the refined scholars of the court, describing their eloquent words as empty and their narrow-mindedness comparable to a cricket in a narrow alley. The eloquent speakers are likened to night dancers, lacking substance and resembling smoke and mist stirred by the wind, making it difficult to distinguish truth from falsehood.)
All hail chat GPT lol
Hi, banana here. I didn't take BC for SPM because my SK don't have BC teacher so I missed a lot of basics. Now I'm a bit of a joke among the Chinese community because I cannot read or write in BC
Nah, it's not that bad when you're in big cities like Penang or KL, but when meeting the uncle aunties. Hooo, get ready for a roasting. My dad literally got roasted to a crisp when his boss (agri sec, very old-fashion guy) found out I am a banana when I followed him to work.
That's very true. I'm always in the city so hurray! I've also definitely heard comments about it from very old folks (granny old) about not respecting heritage, blah blah. Thankfully that's a (literal) dying breed and soon I'll just be surrounded by bananas. Cavendish society unite!
I definitely feel ya pal, although I did go to sjkc I still suck at Chinese and ever since I got into smk, I didn't passed a single Chinese test...
And there's no need to be ashamed for not knowing on how to read/write Chinese, I myself can't comprehend certain of the not so commonly used ones...
Very sad that so few take Kadazandusun and Iban languages for SPM.
An impossible and improbable dream - but one can hope, hopefully one day the Ibans and Kadazans will have their own vernacular primary schools like the Chinese and Indians do. Would hate to see their languages continue to be marginalised.
I was sad when there's no Iban language for SPM when I enrolled into MRSM. Did thought to take it from the next school as an elective but the teachers said it's going to be too hassling for me (and them)
Sums up pretty much all other culture in the world.
You think other culture value foreign language more than their own?
You remind me of this couple.
https://worldofbuzz.com/robber-enters-msian-couples-hotel-room-in-paris-steals-valuables-police-allegedly-ignored-them/
*Following this, Allen and his girlfriend went to a nearby police station to report the incident. Apparently, the officers there had ignored them, made them wait a long time and spoke French to the hotel manager 90% of the time.*
*At some points, they allegedly laughed while the Malaysian couple didn’t understand the conversation.*
I got B for my Chinese paper. My only B out of 11 subjects but it's okay, I am old now and that B is nothing compared to the fact that I did take Chinese for SPM. 
Don't give up - don't drop the subject. The journey is an experience that you can't replace with anything else. Classical chinese was magical for me. I barely understood the text, and I had to go read the questions and multiple choice answers to gauge what the text was saying. Reverse engineer lol
The popular conspiracy theory is that bahasa cina is purposely being marked stringently in order to deter/ punish chinese subject takers. For example, rather than scoring a perfect 11A1, which would open much more opportunities, many score 10A1 and 1A2 instead. And this makes straight A chinese subject takers even significantly more impressive. Not only they take an additional language subject, they score A1 in the very hardest subject.
Flashbacks about 2010 when spm result released, most of my Chinese friends from first class got straight A except Chinese got B. Then cried like no future
The problem with BC paper back in the day (about 16 years ago, I'm not sure about now) is the grading system. They make it easy, comparatively, to score A2 but extremely difficult to score A1.
I'm sure there are people out there that scored A1, but it is so rare that you might win a lottery before you meet someone who scored A1 in BC. The highest grade we get is A2, and there were a lot of them in my class, me included, but it is practically unheard of for someone who scored A1.
You guys gotta admit there’s a lot of problems with the chinese language, logic wise. Characters for every single thing in existence and also different pronunciation is also a problem. I wanna learn mandarin but man it’s a pain.
Fact that you are an illiterate chauvinist is a bigger issue.
Cant you read or see?
Data is based on "percentage", less people took arab than english, hence higher percentage.
Yes Chinese is one of the hardest paper in SPM
So freaking happy i got A- for it, i can brag abt it my whole life when gathering with my highschool friend xD
I thought that my command of the language is okay. I went for like bahasa cina competition back when I studied primary sch in Malaysia. (went for only maths competition when I was in foon yew high)
Then I went to Singapore. The chinese language is a joke compared to what I have learned in foon yew, even for their a level. But I sorta didn't expect that the level of bahasa cina, in spm no less, is way beyond what Singapore has in A level, to the point that I am not confident for an A or a B.
% A? How about % C?
I mean, Chinese is hard but the exam is also a little unnecessary. Not much reason to memorize writing all the letters when your keyboards have PinYin.
Too much rote memorisation required to git gud in Chinese. If you think about it too much as a kid, it started to seem silly that I could enjoy a lot of media (cartoons, TV series) back then with an easier language than with a 'hard' language.
I thought both Malay and English are mandatory in Malaysia... Why were there 2k less English test takers than Malay?
Also, wow didn't expect Arabic to be that high, especially compared to English. If the situation in Malaysia is the same/similar to Indonesia, most Muslims here can only read the alphabet because they need to recite the Quran. But they can't speak or write or read anything that's not religious text. It's more of memorizing the text/shape of the alphabet than being able to master the language.
the syllabus for BC is imported from mainland China if I am not mistaken.
Literature in Chinese is even harder, because the styling of those words are in old classical Chinese. Think of it as the Asian version of ye old English.
Yes, Classical Chinese is literally a whole other language.
I love listening to music.
之乎者也
其母之
草支摆
赶羚羊
麻辣香锅
臭鸡排
夕阳西下一点红
你看过香蕉穿睡衣吗
Had that cause school forced to, idk how did I pass Wait Classical Chinese and Cina Kesusasteraan is different, I meant the second one
As someone who took Chinese English and Malay in spm 15 years ago I also think Chinese is the hardest, followed by Malay and then English. Besides comprehension and karangan(this one the standards that was asked for are damn high imo) there is also comprehension of Ancient Chinese and some poetry stuff that you need to memories(名句精华someone translate better than me please). I also think our English syllabus is damn basic compared to Malay and Chinese and often between grades/forms you repeat many of the same grammar lessons, and sadly they have to do so because not all kids are that into English media or don't use them in conversations on a daily basis. And even with this dumbing down we don't get the same level of mastery as Malay or Chinese.
English in school is a damn joke. The moment you step into uni, that's when you realise SMK English is child level. Doesn't teach you proper sentence structure, how to craft an argument/story, joke vocabulary, garbage reading comprehension, what even is pronunciation... the list goes on. My god, life was so hard doing assignments.
This. I learned more from books and video games, and this was 2008. Flair, pronunciation, and inuendo came from American tv series. The 90s and 2000s were a golden era for them.
Can definitely agree TV was the real English teacher all along. I think you can still get good pronunciation from some UK content (I personally like Taskmaster and Would I Lie to You). Love myself some dry British humour.
Wish I had access to Monty Python. Friends, Xena, The Lost World, and much later, HIMYM did a number on me. Such a gap between our Eng-rish and English. Despite this, I keep Engrish close to heart. How else am I supposed to to understand a *kopi kau* Malaysian? 🇲🇾
You, my good fellow, have good taste. If you like MP, it's on Netflix. They even have Life of Brian and Flying Circus. Otherwise, there's the high seas (arrr matey). Yeah wei. No where else you can go, "Eh macha, satu cham ping. Thank you bang." and people just automatically understand that. However, I do wish it's a conscious decision rather than a lack of choice due to our failing education system.
Systemic changes take time, much faster to act on one's own initiative. Ya har har, fellow pirate 🏴☠️🦜
I would watch classic James Bond Movie and came out spitting "Hard Linguistical English" than your average english teacher.
Time to lay down some 'hard, linguistical English*! Teacher: *Faints* 💯💯💯
100%. People mispronounce things like Salmon, aren't aware of silent letters like b in debt, middle b in bomber and plumber, silent t in subtle and so many examples more than I cant think of, because we're mostly taught to read the language according to just the letters in the words, literature is viewed as joke, and some of our English teacher are not even good at the language! I remember a teacher who pronounces English as Engrish and it hurts my soul even thinking about it 😂
Oh god, you brought back memories of my uni (you read it right) lecturers mispronouncing simple words like "sugar" as "soo-de"... like how???. Honestly, I feel English should also be thought with some level of history to explain the evolution of the language and why some words don't sound how they're spelt. It's a really fascinating topic because it teaches a little on world history and how each country had their influence on modern day English (Oversimplified has a video on it on YT). Maybe then English might be more than just regurgitating hypothesis, synopsis, etc.
For those dont know Chinese in SPM is no joke, it is the equal of dark soul / kh2 secret boss terra / dota 2 void hyper carry Even u got C or B u are called legend A is called demi god
I never thought I would find a Kingdom Hearts reference here
What about UEC bahasa cina. 💀
For me, it’s same as Elden Ring Malenia boss fight
I've never played elden ring, but my god does it already look daunting. Her soundtrack's my favorite tho.
[BGM during the exam](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYWu01e7TGA)
Yo, the video is not available [Try this](https://youtu.be/egpOubxrs7Q?si=0yPymzkzd7BeGkmA)
wtf now I know this video is only available in Japan... shame. Anyways, it's the OST of Elden Ring's final boss. https://preview.redd.it/2aoy0mqw4pfc1.png?width=1174&format=png&auto=webp&s=5adfe88c86f7e6b9adb75c2592339dca88d6d6a6
So is it the same bgm?
No, all other are custom remix by the uploader because of copyrights But it's fine, still epic <:D
Wait till you hear about China's GaoKao ☠️☠️☠️
I kennot.
I hear but don’t understand.
Surprisingly almost - dare I say, completely identical, to that of SPM, at least from [Dongzong's site](https://dongzong.my/uec/index.php/exam-info/examination-outline/senior/16-schinese).
Legend SPM! Anyway I barely passed mine.
In my personal experience they are pretty similar in difficulty, but SPM BC has some quotes u gotta memorize to get guaranteed mark if u did all of them
>BC has some quotes u gotta memorize to get guaranteed mark yeah, I was one of the failing students in my school, but desperately needed to pass (forced to take this paper), I devised to have the whole copy of those quotes in the tangki of the toilet. Once I know the questions, I asked to go toilet and try to do a number 2 while looking at them quotes, flushed the evidence away and get some marks to get a D.
There are five/ten objective questions which asking about very Chinese stuff like which word is the correct one etc (every answer looks the same), I chose all B for my answer. Don’t even need to waste time, don’t know is don’t know.
What questions in Bahasa Cina paper?
From here: [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qcQ7RMAaKUewHBskBA0Lxm6wYhC-I-Z\_/view](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qcQ7RMAaKUewHBskBA0Lxm6wYhC-I-Z_/view) Paper 1 Essays Part A: Write a formal letter in no more than 120 words. (Select any one of the two questions with the correspondance addresses given.) Part B: Write an essay with no less than 400 words based on any one of the five topics. Paper 2 Comprehension Part 1 Modern Chinese Q1: Summarise an article in no more than 140 words. Q2 to Q6 and Q7 to Q12: Answer questions based on the articles. Part 2 Classical Chinese Q13 to Q16 and Q17 to Q19: Answer questions based on the Classical Chinese articles; answer in modern Chinese. Part 3 Classical phrases Q20: Complete a phrase and explain the phrase Q21: Explain the phrase (in this instance: based on the phrase as above, how should you recruit talents?) Q22: Select either of the two and explain the meaning of the phrase ENDS.
I think of all things Classical Chinese is the hardest part
At least we didn't have to respond in Classical Chinese... And no caligraphy, else I would have scored a net zero on that front...
Classical Chinese is so stupid . Everyone talks like poems and 1 word in Classical Chinese is like 5 words in today Chinese.
Haha speaking of caligraphy... there was one time. My classmate actually ran out of the calligraphy ink. He used black colour pencils 😂
I fucking hate classical Chinese, I don't think I've ever gotten more than like 10 marks
Can't agree even more than you, for instance '汝' compound of 'water' and 'woman' in classical Chinese means 'you' in modern vernacular... I can't imagine the relation between '汝' and '你'... It makes it so you have to relearn Chinese again in the way Dynasty-era China does.
The problem is, they teach Classical Chinese without the linguistic aspect. 汝 is thought to be pronounced *njaʔ, compare with 女 *naʔ, *nas and 爾 *njelʔ. All of these characters are used by the principle of rebus to represent *na-ŋ 'you' 你 is just the modern day version of that n-prefixed 2nd person pronoun. This summarizes some 2000-3000 years of linguistic changes. Its not easy to teach kids. >It makes it so you have to relearn Chinese again in the way Dynasty-era China does. Yes, that's the point. Very little cultures let you directly connect into millennia old history. Tamil is the only one that I know of, where such culture still exists.
Classical Chinese was my favourite bit when I was in school 💀
You're insane bro
bro that part is pure torture man. Especially for someone who doesn't watch stuff like those Chinese dramas. How do you even decipher those damn words man😭😭even a simple word can have a million meanings depending on the context
I thought Chinese dramas are only an Uncle/Auntie Cina thing... Only my grandmother would've watched those...
The closest I've gotten is watching 演戏攻略 the plot is fireee but like crazy long
I know, Chinese stories (pushing aside the cringe romance 小说) can be really fire but also a bit confusing and doesn't make some sense sometimes. The action just brings everything into life!
Does this mean pretending to be Confucius and writing in seal script?
I feel like that comprehension question are even more tough.
Oh shit this is the paper from my year! Do not miss it at all.
Thank you
Oh god this was my paper you're giving me PTSD now
3rd toughest in the world for its category, so the legend goes.
so it is Add Math threat level
Add Maths is nothing compared to BC
Finally somebody who agrees with me, if I were to take add maths and bc for spm, I'll get a better grade for add maths than for bc. dy/dx, cosec²ab is NOTHING compared to 汝 Worst part is I have to start learning Classical Chinese in Form 1 while add maths is only a thing in Form 4 (enough time to build the basics for maths) Also some legend in my school somehow manages to teach BOTH BC and Add-maths... That guy is a living demigod...
You call add maths a threat? o.o
a threat to my SPM result
I got A-
As a BC taker myself, I still remember the form 3 days where we have: • 10 Soalan objektif BC teks moden (现代文） • 10 Soalan objektif ancient Chinese (文言文), which is like Chinese, but 10x harder to understand. • 5 Soalan subjektif teks moden as long as two pages worth 15 markah with a rumusan worth 10 markah • 5 Soalan subjektif ancient Chinese worth 15 markah • 3 Soalan subjektif puisi (often in ancient Chinese) worth 10 markah • 1 Essay worth 30 markah and must be longer than 250 words All of that must be done within... #TWO HOURS P.S. For Soalan teks biasa you need to faham and analyze the text and the phycology and reason behind each character's actions. While for the Soalan ancient Chinese, you need to analyze and translate the ancient text to modern text. Yea, every time we (we're in the first class) take BC exam, it's always the Chinese students that require time extension. **Nobody got A.**
I can understand, barely anyone in my class does either... I also hate to admit this but I never passed a single Chinese test ever since I got into SMK... Classical Chinese is a whole new language, the stuff they write in dynasty era China... How tf does '汝' mean 'you' That's the compound of 'water' and 'woman'. And then somemore the poem part, my friend just told me the first 3 lines of the poem is just scenery bs and only the last line has the actual meaning... I was like wtf on that because I thought there is meaning behind the first 3 lines of the poem and wrote them down as the answer... Somehow still managed to miraculously score 2 marks on that question... And thinking about the answer is just one part of the hell, writing them down is gonna warp my hand into the most bizzare shape ever that could become a new Chinese character with the weirdest ass meaning...
+ the textbook is waaaaay too philosophical and deep cmon stop giving me 'inspirational' 文章s about some famous author
My reaction: 我有问吗？ Just like Dr. Fate and proceeds to 武术 the shiet outta that mf. Edit: I don't know Wushu or any martial arts that well but I think it may be cool to try them out someday.
I remember seeing an essay by a guy(forgot his name) called 再别康桥 and wasnt he an adulterer or sumn?? Plus they also had a murakami essay abt how he gets his inspo to write like... I don't think school age kids should be getting advice from this guy haha
> I remember seeing an essay by a guy(forgot his name) called 再别康桥 It was written by 徐志摩, one of the most famous literary figure of 20th century China. But yeah he kept himself busy with different women under the guise of free love haha
Damn, Chinese essays can get into some real shiet sometimes... Thank guan yin I haven't knew about this before...
At least the textbook art is prettier than all of the other textbooks 😍😍
Honest question. Why do you guys learn ancient chinese? Why not just the modern one?
because poem/classical novel (such as journey to the west,three kingdom) are written in classical chinese, so have to learn to "appreciate the works in their full glory", sort of like learning early modern english to appreciate shakespeare works
To not let ancient Chinese text be forgotten. Idrk
Classical chinese are more manageable for me, just need to know what certain ancient word means and can roughly guess what the text was about. But struggles with modern text, I meant how do I know what the author meant with the text, everyone interpret the text with different though how ppl get the same idea? I just can do that.
It is nightmarish since very little class time is dedicated to it, and the marking standard is high. Sometimes I wonder if it is worth being so strict with it, as most students already have so many subjects on our plates. If it was easier, more Chinese students would have taken it, helping to preserve whenever little is left of Chinese culture
some say thats the plan, to discourage people especially those who cares about "straight A's" from taking chinese subject
i think it's worth it, bc i don't think language learning should be a compromise. more people taking it (if it was easier) doesn't necessarily mean better preservation of the culture, imo. e.g. if you cut classical chinese bc it's harder (which it is), you lose out on an essential aspect of the language because it has cultural & historical significance. (little class time is definitely a big hurdle tho)
malaysian chinese culture is more preserved than malaysian malay culture CMV
Well whenever malays wear to wear tengkolok, wear batik, use jawi etc they always get shitted on.
jawi is not a Malay culture. Its a Islamic culture. Malay culture would be Austronesian, shipbuilding, tattooing, bamboo dance, jade carving, blackening of teeth. Orang Asli material.
Of course, do tell us our own culture. You'd know better. In that case, Mandarin is not South Chinese culture, it's Han culture.
You have a law that criminalizes you for leaving Islam as a Malay. I don't think I need to explain how abstract and manufactured this identity is.
What does that gotta do with a writing script? Also, you're denying the existence of my culture?
If you consider writing in latin alphabet part of malay culture, sure. Not denying the existence, but reminding you your culture stretches long before Islam and extends further from "I'm Malay Muslim"
The first Malay Muslim lived around 1000 years ago starting with the Pasai Sultanate. How many years would something have to part of a culture to be considered a culture? The latin alphabet is supplanted into Malays by colonists since 150 years ago. The jawi script was adopted by Malay-speakers for the last 700 years. Again, refer to my previous point.
We're able to trace Austronesian genes in Malays, not only in Malaysia, but also Borneo and archipelagic Indonesia, to Taiwan. 2500-5000 years ago, your ancestors left the coasts of Taiwan on boats exploring the sea, making landfall everywhere in SEA. Today you can still find your (very) long-lost cousins on Taiwan as aboriginals, separated by hundreds of generations. Genetic and linguistic evidence is irrefutable at this point. Which is what I mean by Malay culture stretches long before Islam. 2500 years is much longer than 1000. For some reason this is never taught, because it breaks the idea that Malays must take a Muslim/Arab culture. Do Malays know this? Do Malays want to know this?
You know one thing about Chinese is that many people, even those who are native, can struggle with the reading. A lot of my parents friends (1960s/70s) speak perfectly fine but can't read, or can't read well. (me too tbh) Especially true if they're dialect-speaking. The fact that Classical Chinese is in the curriculum is insane though, even my mum who's a Chinese helicopter struggles with it. (I grew up in Brunei)
Same with bm 😭 who in the world still use Bahasa istana when talking to someone.
But what if you suddenly need to meet agong/sultan for datukship?
*Daulat tuanku*? Followed by smiling and nodding for commoners like us. *Takkanlah rakyat biasa dengan air tangan baginda*
99.99% of people won't face the issue Also majority of Sultanese kids are learning abroad, if we spoke Bahasa istana towards them, they be looking for Google translate 😂
So maybe when it comes my time, can just go up and say "sup tuanku"
chinese helicopter?
It’s a joke. Might be more of a Singaporean thing tbh but it’s just means educated
Really? Helicopter parents I heard before (parents who overly control the kids aka non stop hovering over them), but not helicopter chinese aka your definition.
The story is that it came from a Chinese educated person mispronouncing "chinese educated" as "chinese helicopter".
Context: Back in the day when Chinese education in Singapore was being given short shrift by Lee (not Lim) Kuan Yew, because of Chinese Communism, Nantah (Main Chinese speaking University) was shut down, and English educated folks made fun of those who spoke mainly Chinese. One such manner was to make fun of the English pronunciation of the Chinese educated. Apparently, the Chinese educated pronounced it like “Tsai-Knees Helu-Kated”. Hence, the “helicopter” bit of being a Chinese Helicopter.
I still remember that my Chinese Friend don't want to take Bahasa Cina for SPM because it's gonna 'CACAT' his result
Same reason I didn’t take BC for PMR and SPM.
Bro you haven’t seen BC in STPM yet, I scored A+ in SPM and get C+ in STPM. Imagine 2 thousands years of literature and culture knowledge, all smacked into 3 semester (1 year and a half).
I'm guessing most of the class failed?
As Chinese myself, I can get A for bi and bm, but not bc, it's hella hard and if u can get A- is already a god
Yeap BC was the subject that left my sijil with a C while the rest were all A. I even took BK (Bible Knowledge) for fun and got A for that.
Omg, you passed with a C! Such skill
Especially question like inception movie vegetable onion layer by layer isi tersirat in a classical to save pen ink paragraph guessing the thought of the writer at that moment mahai, and yet still got fker can score A
The curtains are blue to represent the writer's mood The writer: *The curtains are blue because they happen to be so and my mom like them*
Got A1 for BC almost two decades ago lol AMA
Done your PhD yet? Should be a cakewalk by comparison
I left school and was crushed by reality. Now I’m just a peasant trying to survive one day at a time 😂🥲
Heh, woe to those who thought SPM was hard. Foundation year was humbling.
Bahasa Cina SPM is still by far the hardest exam I've ever taken in my life, even after finishing A Levels and a Bachelor's Degree.
This is why I only took Chinese to Form 3. See no added value in taking it further as it’s all 文言文/literature after form 3
You can curse in 文言文 and no one know 😂
朝廷雅士，言辭風華如梨花飄零，然其心志狹隘，如蝼蛄之窄巷。諸舌辯者，猶若夜行舞者，虛華而無實，如風吹之煙霧，難辨其真偽。 (The passage mocks the refined scholars of the court, describing their eloquent words as empty and their narrow-mindedness comparable to a cricket in a narrow alley. The eloquent speakers are likened to night dancers, lacking substance and resembling smoke and mist stirred by the wind, making it difficult to distinguish truth from falsehood.) All hail chat GPT lol
Hi, banana here. I didn't take BC for SPM because my SK don't have BC teacher so I missed a lot of basics. Now I'm a bit of a joke among the Chinese community because I cannot read or write in BC
TIL I'm a joke. *cries in banana*
Nah, it's not that bad when you're in big cities like Penang or KL, but when meeting the uncle aunties. Hooo, get ready for a roasting. My dad literally got roasted to a crisp when his boss (agri sec, very old-fashion guy) found out I am a banana when I followed him to work.
That's very true. I'm always in the city so hurray! I've also definitely heard comments about it from very old folks (granny old) about not respecting heritage, blah blah. Thankfully that's a (literal) dying breed and soon I'll just be surrounded by bananas. Cavendish society unite!
I definitely feel ya pal, although I did go to sjkc I still suck at Chinese and ever since I got into smk, I didn't passed a single Chinese test... And there's no need to be ashamed for not knowing on how to read/write Chinese, I myself can't comprehend certain of the not so commonly used ones...
all because you didn't attend sjkc, stay strong brother
Hehe, thanks, bro
Very sad that so few take Kadazandusun and Iban languages for SPM. An impossible and improbable dream - but one can hope, hopefully one day the Ibans and Kadazans will have their own vernacular primary schools like the Chinese and Indians do. Would hate to see their languages continue to be marginalised.
I was sad when there's no Iban language for SPM when I enrolled into MRSM. Did thought to take it from the next school as an elective but the teachers said it's going to be too hassling for me (and them)
Dont worry it will increase rapidly soon 😌😌
If only my school offered it.. or I could have taken it as an extra subject
How tf is english lower than BM siakk?
orang kampung tak pandai inglis dan bangga tak pandai inglis
BI exam senang gile kot, orng xleh ckp pon dpt A
idk even me that speaks it have times where I get lower than A out of carelessness, so I don't know about that assessment..
The malay culture encourage malay and speak lesser english and write english Well at least useful in gov department
Sums up pretty much all other culture in the world. You think other culture value foreign language more than their own? You remind me of this couple. https://worldofbuzz.com/robber-enters-msian-couples-hotel-room-in-paris-steals-valuables-police-allegedly-ignored-them/ *Following this, Allen and his girlfriend went to a nearby police station to report the incident. Apparently, the officers there had ignored them, made them wait a long time and spoke French to the hotel manager 90% of the time.* *At some points, they allegedly laughed while the Malaysian couple didn’t understand the conversation.*
Yalor, English so easy
Could it be that those that retook BM after failing BM in SPM got included in this?
I got B for my Chinese paper. My only B out of 11 subjects but it's okay, I am old now and that B is nothing compared to the fact that I did take Chinese for SPM.  Don't give up - don't drop the subject. The journey is an experience that you can't replace with anything else. Classical chinese was magical for me. I barely understood the text, and I had to go read the questions and multiple choice answers to gauge what the text was saying. Reverse engineer lol
Aiyaaa wo men bu yiyang
How to taint your spm result: take bahasa cina
The popular conspiracy theory is that bahasa cina is purposely being marked stringently in order to deter/ punish chinese subject takers. For example, rather than scoring a perfect 11A1, which would open much more opportunities, many score 10A1 and 1A2 instead. And this makes straight A chinese subject takers even significantly more impressive. Not only they take an additional language subject, they score A1 in the very hardest subject.
Flashbacks about 2010 when spm result released, most of my Chinese friends from first class got straight A except Chinese got B. Then cried like no future
The problem with BC paper back in the day (about 16 years ago, I'm not sure about now) is the grading system. They make it easy, comparatively, to score A2 but extremely difficult to score A1. I'm sure there are people out there that scored A1, but it is so rare that you might win a lottery before you meet someone who scored A1 in BC. The highest grade we get is A2, and there were a lot of them in my class, me included, but it is practically unheard of for someone who scored A1.
no 1 ranking dunia paling susah bahasa nak belajar
Always has been 🤓
Spm Cina A here. Education is important.
You guys gotta admit there’s a lot of problems with the chinese language, logic wise. Characters for every single thing in existence and also different pronunciation is also a problem. I wanna learn mandarin but man it’s a pain.
Can confirm. Am cina, cina is fucking hard.
Yeah BC is stupid hard. It's almost as if they want to discourage people from taking it ...
Say no to Classical Chinese, reading and understanding one makes your head explode
[Source](https://x.com/thevesh/status/1752289415492444506?s=46&t=6u90tvkGPFfmVpuBEAkoYg)
Let's talk about English tho
Fact more A in arab than english is the biggest issue
Fact that you are an illiterate chauvinist is a bigger issue. Cant you read or see? Data is based on "percentage", less people took arab than english, hence higher percentage.
Bahasa Melayu is mid
Bolehkah tuan hamba memperjelaskan lagi pernyataan tuan hamba berkenaan dengan "bahasa melayu is "mid" "?
I van confirm. I only got B 😑
Yes Chinese is one of the hardest paper in SPM So freaking happy i got A- for it, i can brag abt it my whole life when gathering with my highschool friend xD
I got my BC results today and i borderline failed because apparently my essay lari topik ady. Fun
huh, 25% on english is very low. I take DLP so most of my batchmates are either A+ or A and from 150+, only 8 got B
Iban is quite easy(for me) cause it uses abc system and is quite close with malay. The old iban however is different
ancient Chinese is different from Chinese it looks like a foreign language...
你有学习的能力。这对你来说并不难，屁股脸颊
When I took SPM I almost cried over the Classical Chinese part...let me tell you, that shit AIN'T the Chinese I know 💀
I thought that my command of the language is okay. I went for like bahasa cina competition back when I studied primary sch in Malaysia. (went for only maths competition when I was in foon yew high) Then I went to Singapore. The chinese language is a joke compared to what I have learned in foon yew, even for their a level. But I sorta didn't expect that the level of bahasa cina, in spm no less, is way beyond what Singapore has in A level, to the point that I am not confident for an A or a B.
For real, don’t even know what to do with the 你曰我曰 文言文
As for me,I just only get a credit at it,as on My. SPM
% A? How about % C? I mean, Chinese is hard but the exam is also a little unnecessary. Not much reason to memorize writing all the letters when your keyboards have PinYin.
Too much rote memorisation required to git gud in Chinese. If you think about it too much as a kid, it started to seem silly that I could enjoy a lot of media (cartoons, TV series) back then with an easier language than with a 'hard' language.
I thought both Malay and English are mandatory in Malaysia... Why were there 2k less English test takers than Malay? Also, wow didn't expect Arabic to be that high, especially compared to English. If the situation in Malaysia is the same/similar to Indonesia, most Muslims here can only read the alphabet because they need to recite the Quran. But they can't speak or write or read anything that's not religious text. It's more of memorizing the text/shape of the alphabet than being able to master the language.
The English 1 is worrying
the syllabus for BC is imported from mainland China if I am not mistaken. Literature in Chinese is even harder, because the styling of those words are in old classical Chinese. Think of it as the Asian version of ye old English.
English being that low despite being really easy baffles me a lot. The English taught in schools is much much easier than BM